Tape 10G, Side Aleph

Hands — this is {faith} — this — this — one needs short sleeves. So fear fell upon them. They covered their heads and also their hands with — with — with towels. [For Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Ah? [Whom do you mean? Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Yoy. They — they — they are not from Teveria. They are from the moshav — like me. And the householder — after the prayer — he came in to us. He had prepared — we were here in the room — and there was another room with a table and chairs. And he had prepared a great table with all the good things in the world — and eggs — cheese — cream. [All the good things in the world.] The farmer… a farmer has everything good — there was hunger — but they had everything good. And there were olives — olives and eggs and all kinds of foods in the world were on the table. And he entered to us and said to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — with submission — as one who stands before the king: "I beg of you to eat." Good. We entered — and there were all kinds — all kinds of foods in the world — a table. So he said to him — so he said to him: "He does not want — he does not — he needs only tea and bread." Yes. So we said to him: is it kosher? Well… this — you can check it is kosher. And the eggs are kosher — and everything — and the milk is kosher — and it is not goyish — and everything is kosher. So he said to him: "No — no — no — I do not — I do not need more." Yes. And the children — the daughters — the daughters went — it was a fine Purim — they went with — with towels — covering — to cover the head and the hands. It was a fine thing to see. (Saba laughs.) (not understood — a friend speaks with Saba in Yiddish and Saba answers him in Yiddish.) [He found a book of Tikkun HaKlali — he found a book of Tikkun HaKlali.] Ah? (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish.) Ternopol — from the city of Ternopol. In Galicia there is the city of Ternopol. And he was born in that city. And his father was… (not understood — spoken in Yiddish.) Yoy — yoy. And his father did not want him to be Breslov. Yes. And he had such grace — a king of grace. And speech with a good heart. And all the good character traits — all kinds of holy grace — was — was with him. And he engaged in hisbodedus before the Holy One Blessed Be He — even before he became a Breslov Chassid. Yes. He told me: his father was a great merchant — a wholesaler. Do you — do you understand what I am saying? Der groyser Sokher. Yoy. (Saba laughs.) Are you hearing? I saw with my own eyes what it is impossible to des… what is impossible — and I am not exaggerating. On the contrary — everything I tell is not even a drop from the sea. It is impossible to explain. This is a spiritual matter. This — this — such truth as it is impossible to explain. Oy voy. (Saba laughs.) [America.] America? In America is there such a thing? (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy voy — oy voy — oy — oy voy. Before this — before the prayer — before this there was — there was… We set out from Yavne'el — the moshav near Teveria. He — and we walked and it was winter. We began to walk after midday — in some moshav — and we walked who knows how far. Yes. And the air was very good. And there was no rain — and not… There was rain — but when we were walking it was sunny and… And suddenly a flood descended — a flood. There was a cloudburst — a cloudburst — and water poured down. A deluge. And it became night — and it became night — and such darkness — one cannot see where to walk — whether here or here. What — we were in the mud. (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish.) [Hebrew — Hebrew.] Nothing like this had ever happened to me before. Because here — seventy years ago there were Turks here — and there were dangers. Arabs were here — they were pursuing and robbing. (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish.) [Hebrew.] (Saba continues in Yiddish.) [Hebrew.] (Saba continues in Yiddish.) [Hebrew — Hebrew.] Ah? [Hebrew — Hebrew.] Hebrew. [Chezky wants to understand.] The mud was like [glue] — like glue — like your glue. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And already we wanted… We pulled out one leg — it was a miracle — it was a wonder — how is it possible to pull out? Like this — we pulled out a leg — and we entered. In any case — and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — of blessed memory — became ill. He received — he — he received a stomach ailment — a stomach illness and… Nu. In any case — for the first time in my life — in my life — we were in a wilderness — in darkness — in a deluge. And one does not know where — how — how — how — where to walk and how one comes out of the mud — darkness. (Saba laughs.) It is impossible to describe everything — but what is possible… (Saba laughs.) In any case — in short — we made effort — with mesiras nefesh — to reach some place — some place. Because we could die here from the cold. [And was it hard for you to pull the leg out of the mud and put it back into the mud?] [Very hard to descend.] [The leg did not want to come out of the mud — the leg sank — it did not want to come out of the mud.] In any case — the Holy One Blessed Be He had compassion upon us. He… And we had already walked a long time in the mud. And we had no hope — we saw no hope — how would we merit to reach a settlement? We are in darkness — we do not know where to walk — whether here — or here — or here — we do not know where to… (Saba laughs.) In any case — both of us strengthened ourselves — and like this we reached — suddenly I saw from afar some candle. There was no electricity then — only kerosene lamps. But through the curtains — the windows — I saw — I saw that — there is light in the house. So {I dreamed} that this is a settlement. But how does one reach there? In any case — the Holy One Blessed Be He {have mercy} — we already reached the house. And the farmer saw our mud and the mo… Yes. So he brought us — brought us into a room. And we walked to the room — the whole room became mud like water. (Saba laughs.) So we said to him: "We need a bit of tea to warm the stomach — to warm the leg." So he said: "I have a stove — in the stove there is — there is a large kettle. We will give you tea as much as you want." (Saba laughs.) By the grace of Hashem — we have tea — we have a room already — we are on dry land — we are in the room. He prayed — we prayed the Arvis — as if nothing had happened — as if there was no mud — there was none… Yes. He is renewed — makes new things — he becomes new. (Saba laughs.) But I felt — now I am so exhausted — I am such a weak man — and my whole body aches — all the limbs. Let them just give me to lie down for three… some days — just to lie down — let them not give me anything — I want only to lie down. (Saba laughs.) And he — we ate — we ate something at night. But I wanted to see the bed — I do not want — not to eat — not to drink — I want only a bed. Yes. And Rebbe Yisroel — and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — before — before he went to sleep on the bed — he had some — some words to speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Is this how one gives up one's soul? One must confess and speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He — the soul needs — needs to depart. So he — I asked him: "I want to lie down." So he gave me — I had my bed. And I lay down like — like a dead man. Oy — oy. And he performed — (not understood) the viduy and the Kriyyas Shema and… Yes. As if nothing had happened. The Kriyyas Shema was with such mesiras nefesh: "Shema Yisroel…" "V'ahavta…" (Saba laughs.) Nu. So I thought: "This night — this night it is impossible to rise at Chatzos. After such a flood — and after… [mud] — how is it possible to rise at midnight?" So I thought: "This night there is no Chatzos." Yes. (Saba laughs.) But he was a warrior — a lion. He rose at midnight. Yes. Like — like one whose house is on fire — who is burning — there is a fire in his house and one must rescue and one must… Yes. He — he rose with such might — after — I could not feel any limb — my whole body was aching. Ah — such a Chatzos — {loving} the Holy One Blessed Be He. Oy. I heard the Chatzos that he said with such awakening — without the… Nu. I was already lying in bed as one lies on sukkahs — on… [on… [thorns] — on thorns — on thorns. How is it possible? When one hears such a Chatzos — how do you want to sleep? How do you lie there? (Saba laughs.) After he said Chatzos — and I heard his Chatzos — I said: "What is this? What is this with me? Until when will you lie? Until when are you to lie?" Nu. I overcame myself and rose. He had not told me to rise — he understood that I — that it is impossible — impossible. But he was an entirely different matter. He makes new things. He was close to the holy Rabbainu — and the holy Rabbainu makes new things — made newness. Nu. I rose and went. He was sitting at a table — and there was a lamp of oil — of oil — a lamp — a lamp of — of… [an eternal lamp] — of fat — of kerosene. And he sat at the table with the Zohar — with the holy Zohar. And I saw his face — his face was red as fire — and there was fear to look upon his face. And the table and the floor were shaking — trembling. And he was trembling. And the table and the floor were also trembling from his trembling. Afterwards came the time of prayer — and he prepared himself for prayer. And after such a Chatzos — he prayed in such a way — that the whole moshav could not — not… Each person has his work — a farmer. All of them were around our building — from his voice — from his prayers — from Shacharis prayer. In short — I saw that I cannot be in the room — I could perish. And there was fear — there was — great awe and fear fell upon me. Yes — yes. So I drew near to the door and held onto the door. In the moment that I would have no possibility of being in the house — I would manage to go outside. (not understood) [to escape] — to go out of the room. (Saba laughs.) And this — I am not lying — I am not exaggerating — I am not — I… Not yet — not yet possible to explain how — how this was. Yes. Because we can think: "They are telling a story — so they speak about it…" Yes. No. Once in my life I saw a new Purim — Purim. How they lay — yes — with the towels on the head and on the hands — and fear — and fear and awe and fear. (Saba laughs.) [They were afraid of Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] Ah? [They were afraid of him.] Oy. (Saba laughs.)

[Rebbe Yisroel — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner learned by Rebbe Moshe Breslaver — correct?] Ah? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner learned by Rebbe Moshe Breslaver?] Yes! [The student of Rebbe Nassan.] But he was a friend with everyone. [Yes — but he learned from him about Rabbainu's matters. The student of Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Moshe Breslaver.] Yes. He held the yahrtzeit of him — of Rebbe Moshe Breslaver — the day of memorial — like a father. He fasted on that day and studied Mishnayos — and a constant lamp of olive oil — like after a father. [Rebbe Moshe Breslaver — was he the best student of Rebbe Nassan?] Yes — certainly! (Saba laughs.) About him said Rebbe Nassan — they told of a certain gaon that he knows by heart five hundred pages by heart. So everyone was very impressed: "How a… this is a great wonder." So they were sitting together. So Rebbe Nassan said to them: "My Moisheleh — the student Moshe — Moshe (Breslaver) — my Moisheleh can say — can say five hundred times 'Ribono shel Olam.'" (Saba laughs.) I saw this. I have — I have a feebleness of mind — how do I appear in this world — and how — how am I… When I saw such a thing — and then the world was not like today. Then the world was very expert in emunah — in prayer — and yiras Shamayim and Chassidus. Yes — not like today. But I saw the service of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). So everything became nullified before me — all the great ones of Teveria who pursued me afterwards. [The sons of — the sons of Moshe — Rav Moshe — what was he called — Litvak — Rebbe Yisroel?] Rav Tzvi…

…Wondrous things come about. And this is effective for… If — if a rectification is made in a person — if the person rectifies himself — then other things come about — away from money and desires. And one goes out from desires and from transgressions — and enters. This is the root of all creation. When one says only this Name — in this is included all of the Torah and all of creation and all human beings — and only in this: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." This — I did not know — sixty years I did not know of this. And after sixty years the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged things and illuminated me: what do you not know? "Na Nach" — do you know what "Na Nach" is?

On Purim — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — of blessed memory — he began to drink in the house and danced in the house. And I saw that every moment that passed — more — he departs from this world to another world. [To the World to Come.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) In any case — he reached — he began to walk from the house — from the door to the street — to announce — to announce that it is Purim — that it is "lehodi'a — lehodi'a — lehodi'a — lehodi'a." I walked with him. And he went through all — all the streets — to the place of Slonim. And the Slonim Chassidim — they mock — they mock Breslov. So from there — from there he went and entered the house. And everyone was sitting and drinking wine and had become drunk. Yes. And he entered as into his own house — and danced. So there said to me — there was one elder — Rav Liishka — Rav Liishka. [Bar Kohas?] Rav… No — Rav Kohas — he was Karlin. He shouted at me: "You want to — you want to make me deaf? I am already deaf — what do you want from me?" (Saba laughs.) [Yes — what did Rav Liishka say?] Rav Liishka then said to me: "Do you understand his dances? Of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)? Do you understand what this is? These are wondrous dances — very wondrous." Yes — like this he said to me. The head — the head of the opponents — their head. Yes. He was nullified — because he saw the dances of Rebbe Yisroel. He entered among opponents — among — among scorpions. Serpents and scorpions. And he made of them nothing and naught. (Saba laughs.) Nu — who saw such a thing? How did he have such might — to enter into — into the very core [of the Adversary's power] — yes — and to say to him and to show him: "Come — come — come — come — come — I am not afraid of you." [Rebbe Yisroel — you also did the same thing.] Ah? [You also did the same thing.] Ah? [You went to weddings and danced for them the whole night.] No. Whoever sees his dancing is completely nullified. But after he passed away — I went. There was a time that Purim was on Friday night and I had nothing for Shabbos. But my entire wealth was — I had in my pocket — I had a half-lira. A half-lira — so that half-lira was — this is enough without Shabbos. [Great wealth.] Yes — a half-lira. But this was the whole Shabbos — a half-lira was in the pocket. I said: "I want wine." They said: "There is none — there is no wine — it is already finished." So I said: "What? No wine? Take this half-lira and buy wine." I {will pay them}. So they took from me the half-lira. And I thought: "What — what — what have I done? What will be? Tomorrow I will have nothing for Shabbos — why did I give the…" (Saba laughs.) Everyone laughed — how I took out the check — the half-lira. "Go — buy wine." [But did you drink of it? Did you at least drink wine from it?] Ah? [Did you drink?] What? [Did you at least drink from that wine?] No — they did not buy. Not — not. They bought. They understood that I am drunk — I took out a half-lira. They were afraid that this is my entire Shabbos — this half-lira. So they did not buy. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — so they returned it to you?] Yes — yes. [Ah — I understand.]

[I only don't know — I want to know one thing — Rebbe Yisroel — no — you are not alright.] We can send millions. (Saba laughs.) [No — you — if you want millions — just take a private plane. It is not the honor to travel just like that — one needs a private plane — there will be a bed for you — on the plane a bed — you can sleep when you tire — with food — everything. A plane "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" landed in {Dushanbe} — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" landed in Tokyo — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" landed in China.] [And if we are in London?] [In China — in China — there they study Sipuray Ma'asiyos.] Yes? [They will have all the…] [They are researching the Sipuray…] [Yes — yes — we will research them ourselves already.] And also at our university — every morning they research the Sipuray Ma'asiyos. [Yes — it was also on television.] Yes? [Yes — there were three researchers.] [Not on television — on radio.] [On radio — on radio.] On radio. [In Australia — you need to be there too.] Australia? [Yes.] Are there rich people there? Is there? (Saba laughs.) [Yes — but you would do best to go to South Africa — Rebbe Yisroel.] In South Africa — are there rich people? [You and the Blacks…] Only if there are rich people. [No…] [Saba — Saba — you did not eat the chicken — eat — Saba — here is a piece of bread.] [The Jews want to flee from South Africa — the Jews.] What is this? What is this? I do not want. [You don't want a taste?] [In South Africa there are the best diamonds in the world — the richest.] Yes? [Now the Jews want to flee from there.] Why? [The Blacks started going mad.] Ah? [The Blacks want independence — they started making wars.] Yes? [Yes — in South Africa the most money — go to South Africa — not to Mexico.] No. [Saba — the North Pole you also need to reach — to the North Pole.] [No — there are no people there — what are you talking about.] Every time I come to America — the newspapers write: "An old man has come from the Land of Yisroel — and he wants to meet with Reagan." [Nu — what will happen? I — I wonder at you — Rebbe Yisroel.] Nu. [When you wanted to meet with Begin — you told me: "I will enter to Begin" — you entered. What about Reagan? You said "Reagan — Reagan" — and you do not manage to enter — do something.] He passed the year [Who?] until he received a skin disease — Begin — Begin. [No — now it is worse — now it is worse. From the skin disease it entered his brain — he has lost his mind now.] Yes? [Yes — Gideon said.] Ah. [He no longer knows what is happening to him — the babbling one.] Ah. [He has become the babbling one.] (not understood) He knows everything. [Yes — certainly.] He knows what defeat he had. [This is a nevailah and this is a treifah.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) He was by me in Yerushalayim — when I was in Yerushalayim. And I was by Yehonasan and… Yes. So the head of the rabbis came to me. [From Marseille — from France.] From Paris — from France. Yes. [A friend of Morris — yes.] The head of the rabbis. [A friend of Morris.] Yes. He — I told him — I told him about Begin. [Yes.] He promised and… So I — I need to meet — I will tell him — so he went. From me he went to Begin. He went to Begin. They told him he is busy — he — he is occupied today — it is impossible for him… So he said to me: "(not understood) — this is not nice from a Prime Minister — he promised and does nothing?" (Saba laughs.) Yes. [Don't worry — there is Doctor Mister Klak now.] So he said to him: "(not understood) — we — we do everything…" [We do everything…] For donations. [To take the people of Yisroel to…] (Saba laughs.)