Tape 10, Side Aleph

...hands {bare}, short, short sleeves. Then fear fell upon them; they covered their heads and also their hands with, with, with towels. [For Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Eh? [Whom do you mean? Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Yoy. [From Tiberias ...?] They, they, they were not from Tiberias; they were from the colony, like us. And the householder... after the prayer he came in to us; he had prepared... We were here in the room, and there was another room there with a table, chairs. And he prepared a large table with all the good things in the world, and eggs, cheese, cream. [All good things...] The farmer... a farmer has all good things. There was hunger, but they had all good things. [......] And there were olives, olives and eggs and every kind of food in the world on the table. And he came in to us and said to Rebbe Yisroel, submissively, as though he were standing before the king: "I beg you to eat." Good, we went in, and there were all kinds, all kinds of foods in the world, a table. So he said to him, so he said to him: "That he does not want, he does not, he does not need anything but tea and bread," yes. So he said to him: "It is kosher; there is no... olives are kosher, and eggs are kosher, and everything... And the milk is kosher; I am not a gentile, {....}, and everything is kosher." So he said to him: "No, no, I do not, I do not need any more," yes. And the boys and the girls—the girls went; it was a beautiful Purim. They went with, with towels, a covering, to cover their heads and hands. It was beautiful to see such a thing. [Was he a Breslover from his father, Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] No. [Or did he become one?] He had become close. [... ...] Like that, miracles, like that... {....} He had become close; he took it upon himself to be a Chassid. [He found a book, "Tikkun HaKlali."] He was a Chassid. [He found a book, "Tikkun HaKlali."] [....] Eh? [Was he from the Land of Israel?] No. [..] Ternopol. From the city of Ternopol; in Galicia there is a city, Ternopol. And he was born in that city, and his father was... [Already as a young man he became close?] Eh? [Already as a young man he became close?] Yes, yes. And his father did not want him to be Breslov, yes. And he had such grace, a king, such grace, and the speech... And a good heart, and all the good character traits; every kind of holy grace was, was in him. And he practiced hisbodedus before Hashem Yisbarach even before he became a Breslover Chassid, yes. He told me. His father was a great merchant, a wholesaler; do you, do you understand what I am saying? [.....] A great merchant, yes. Do you hear? I saw with my own eyes what cannot be de... what cannot be... And I am not exaggerating; on the contrary, everything I tell is not even like a drop from the sea. It is impossible to explain; it is a spiritual thing, it, it is such truth, impossible to explain. Oy vey. [.........] ["America"] "America"? Is there such a thing in America? Oy, oy vey, oy vey, oy. [.......] Oy vey. [...........................] Before that, before the prayer, before that there was, there was... We, we set out from Yavne'el, the colony near Tiberias. He... and we walked, and it was winter; we began walking in the afternoon from some colony, and we walked—who knows—yes. And the air was very good, and no, there was no rain and no... There was rain, but while we were walking there was sun and... And suddenly a deluge came down. [Within the Land of Israel.] A deluge; there was a cloudburst, there was a cloudburst, and water poured down, a flood. And it became night, and it became night, with such darkness. One could not see where to walk, whether here or here, what... we were in mud. We were in mud up to our waists, and... and... [Hebrew, Hebrew.] And I had not yet... Nothing like this had yet happened to me. Because here, then, seventy years ago, the Turks were here, and there were dangers here. There were Arabs; they would murder and rob. They plundered and killed. And we were there at night, and there was this kind of flood, and we were up to our waists... [Hebrew.] In mud, and the mud was... [Hebrew.] Sticky. [Hebrew, Hebrew.] {Do you have}, eh? [Hebrew, Hebrew.] Hebrew. [Chezky wants to understand.] The mud was like... [Glue.] Like glue, like your glue, yes. (Not understood.) We pulled out one leg; it was a miracle. It was glue—how could one pull it out? Like that, we pulled out a leg and we went in. In any case, Rebbe Yisroel, peace be upon him, became ill. He contracted, he, he contracted a stomach illness, a gastric illness, and... nu. In any case, for the first time in my life, in my life, we were in a wilderness, in darkness, in a flood. And one did not know where, how, how, how, where to walk, and how to get out of the mud? Darkness. It is impossible to describe everything, but what can be... In any case, in short, we devo-, devo-... with self-sacrifice we made it to some place. To some place, because we could die here from the cold. [And it was hard for you to pull your leg from the mud and put it back into the mud; it did not want to...] [Very hard to go down.] [The leg did not want to come out of the mud; the leg sank, did not want to come out of the mud.] In any case, Hashem Yisbarach had mercy on us; He... And we had already walked a long time in the mud, and we had no hope at all. We saw no hope at all—how would we merit reaching an inhabited place? We were in darkness. We did not know where to walk, whether here, whether here, whether here. We did not know where to... In any case, the two of us strengthened ourselves, and like this we arrived. Suddenly I saw some lamp in the distance. There was no electricity then, only kerosene lamps. But by means of the... [Wick lamp.] The windows, the windows—I saw, I saw that it, there was light in a house. So I {understood} that this was an inhabited place, but how could we get there? In any case, Hashem Yisbarach (not understood). We finally reached the house, and the farmer saw our mud and the mo... yes. So he brought, brought us into a room. And we entered the room; the whole room became mud and water. So we said to him: "We need a little tea to warm the stomach, to warm the {.....}." So he said: "I have an oven; in the oven there is, there is a large kettle. We will give you as much tea as you want." By Hashem's kindness we had tea, we already had a room, we were on dry land, we were in a room. [...] He prayed; we prayed Ma'ariv as though, as though nothing had happened, as though there had been no mud, there had not been... Yes, he was renewed, "Who makes new things"; he became new. But I felt: now I am so weary, I am such a weak man. And my whole body hurt, all my limbs, {..}; let them only let me lie down for three... some several days. Only to lie down; let them give me nothing, only, I only want to lie down. And he—we ate, we ate something at night. But I wanted to see the bed; I do not want to eat, not to drink, I want only a bed, yes. And Rebbe Yisroel, and Rebbe Yisroel... Before, before he went to sleep on the bed, he had several, several words to speak with Hashem Yisbarach. Yes—does one give up the soul just like that? One needs to confess and speak with Hashem Yisbarach; the soul needs, needs to depart. So he... I asked him: "I want to lie down," so he gave me—there was my bed. Yes, and I lay down like, like a dead man. Oy, oy. And he, finally, after he finished the confession and the Kriyas Shema and... yes. As though nothing had happened. The Kriyas Shema was with such self-sacrifice: "Shema Yisroel..." "Ve'ahavta..." Nu, so I thought, "This night, this night it is impossible to rise for Chatzos. After such a flood and after... [Mud.] {Such exertion}, how can one rise at midnight?" So I thought, "This night there is no Chatzos," yes. But he was a mighty man, a lion; he rose at midnight. Yes, like, like someone who is being burned, whose house is burning, and one must save and one must... yes. He, he rose with such might after—I could not feel any limb; my whole body was, was hurting. Ahh, such a Chatzos, loving Hashem Yisbarach. Oy, I heard the Chatzos that he said with such arousal, without {…}. Nu, I was already lying in bed as one lies on sukkos, on... [On the... on...] Thorns, on thorns. "How is it possible? When one hears such a Chatzos, how do you want to sleep? How are you lying down?" After he said Chatzos, and I heard his Chatzos, I said: "What is this? What is this with me? How long will you lie down? How long will you lie down?" Nu, I overcame myself and rose. He did not tell me to rise; he understood that I, that it was impossible, impossible. But he was an entirely different matter, "Who makes new things." He was close to our holy Rebbe; our holy Rebbe "makes new things," made new. Nu. I rose and went; he was sitting at a table, and there was a lamp of oil, of oil. A lamp, a lamp of, of... [An eternal lamp.] Of fat, of kerosene. And he sat at the table with a Zohar, with the holy Zohar. And I saw his face; his face was fire, red, and it was frightening to look at his face, yes. And the table and the floor shook, were shaking, and he was trembling. And the table and floor were also trembling from his trembling. [...] Afterward the time for prayer arrived, and he prepared for prayer. And after such a Chatzos, he prayed in such a way that the whole colony could not, could not go from... Each one had his work, a farmer. They were all around our building because of his voice, because of his prayers, because of his Shacharis prayer. In short, I saw that I could not be in the room; I could expire. And there was fear; there was, great awe and fear fell upon me, yes, yes. So I drew near to the door and held onto the door. So that when I would have no possibility at all of being in the house, I would manage to get outside. {To save myself.} [To escape.] To get outside the room. And this—I am not lying, I am not exaggerating, I am not, I... Still not, still not; it is impossible to explain how, how it was, yes. Because we can think: "They tell a story, so {they exaggerate a little...}," yes. No. Once in my life I saw a new Purim, Purim. How they went, yes, with towels on their heads and on their hands, and fear, and fear and awe and fear. [They were afraid of Rebbe Yisroel; they were afraid of him.] Oy.

[Rebbe Yisroel, Rebbe Yisroel learned under Rebbe Moshe Breslover, correct?] Eh? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner learned under Rebbe Moshe Breslover?] Yes. [The disciple of Rebbe Nosson.] But he was a friend with everyone. [Yes, but he learned from him concerning our Rebbe.] Eh? [The disciple of Rebbe Nosson, Rebbe Moshe Breslover.] Yes. He observed his yahrtzeit, the memorial day, like for a father. He fasted that day and studied Mishnayos, and an eternal lamp of olive oil, as after a father. [Was Rebbe Moshe Breslover the best disciple of Rebbe Nosson?] Yes, certainly. Concerning him Rebbe Nosson said: they told of a certain gaon who knew five hundred pages by heart. So everyone was very impressed: "How... this is a great wonder." So they turned around; then Rebbe Nosson said to them: "My Moisheleh..." The disciple Moshe, Moshe. "My Moisheleh can say, can say 'Ribono Shel Olam' five hundred times." [............................................] [.........................................] I saw that. I have a weakness... [....] I have discouragement: how do I look in this world, and how, how do I... When I saw such a thing—and then the world was not like today. Then people in the world were very expert in faith, in prayer, fear of Heaven, and Chassidus, yes. Not like today. But I saw Rebbe Yisroel's service. Then all, all the great men in Tiberias, who later persecuted me, became nullified for me. [The sons of, the sons of Moshe, Rav Moshe—what was he called—Litvak, Rebbe Yisroel?] Rav Tzvi...

...wondrous things came about, and this is conducive to... If, if a rectification is made in a person, if a person rectifies himself, Then other matters come about, away from money and desires. And one goes out from desires and transgressions, and enters... This is the root of all creation. If one says only this Name, in it are included the entire Torah and all creation and all human beings. And only in this: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman." {Yoy.} I did not know this; for sixty years I did not know of it... ...after sixty years Hashem Yisbarach arranged matters and illuminated it for me. What do you not know? "Na Nach"—do you know what "Na Nach" is?...

...["And every being shall know that You made it..."] Yes. There were such melodies; on Rosh Hashanah there were such melodies... [Fortunate are we...] That all year... anyone who needed to revive himself would begin to sing a Rosh Hashanah melody. [You told me that on Rosh Hashanah he prayed the Amidah for four hours.] More. [How long?] I went up to the old-age home and ate, and afterward, after the meal, I went down to Rebbe Shimon. And he stood alone by Rebbe Shimon. [Still continuing the Amidah.] Yes. "And every being shall know that You made it"—he could not go onward. [He could not move.] No, no, no. With such trembling, with such fear of Heaven. [How? How? How? How? How? How?] And with such attachment, in such a manner. [How was it? A little, a little.] He wanted to see it immediately—"And every being shall know that You made it..."—he wanted to see it immediately. [Ah... I understand.] [....] [Immediately "Na Nach."] [....... "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman"...] Oh... oh... No one knew that Rebbe Yisroel was downstairs in the synagogue; I knew. So I went to hear, to see what, what was there, what wedding. [What did you see?] Oy, this, {I went} to him; I came to... He could not move onward: "And every being shall know that You made it..." {…} And he was, he was trembling, all, his whole body, and the whole building also trembled. "And every being shall know that You made it..." [The whole buil..., the whole... the whole tomb?] Eh? [The whole tomb?] Ah... ah... [Of Rebbe Shimon?] Downstairs by Rebbe Shimon. [Was he barefoot?] Alone. [Barefoot, barefoot, barefoot—he would walk without shoes.] Yes. [At the tomb, barefoot.] At Rebbe Shimon's tomb he would not enter with shoes. In winter, in the cold, when it was so cold, with no, no shoes, as in the Holy of Holies. And he would weep... I cannot—people can think perhaps that it is a lie, that, that it is not—it is impossible, such a thing. Where does the body have so much, so much... [Strength.] Tears? So much {voice}? How? It is impo... [..] But I saw that every time the weeping was stronger, the tears stronger. On the contrary, no, no, it was not... yes. [An ever-strengthening spring.] And it was very cold in winter, and in the place where he stood, when he finished he left the tomb. He came out like... [Fire.] Like opening the door of an oven. [A bathhouse.] Yes, yes, a bathhouse, yes. He came out hot from the tomb; heat from the tomb, yes. And the tomb was wet from the tears, from... and on the tomb it was like a stream, like pouring... [Water.] [A puddle, a puddle.] [A puddle of water.] Water, yes. And I: "Ribono Shel Olam, how does one merit this? I want... I also want to weep, I also want to; from where does one take this?" Oy, Alon, Alon. He needs to go to all, all the liars, yes. [To all the soccer like this.] Yes. [To all the playing fields like this; they will go into shock without his speaking. He does not speak, he only comes.] Yes. [They will become afraid from the beard.] [Wow, wow, wow...] There is no need to speak. [Yes.] [He does not need to speak; the hat will speak.] [The beard—they will see the beard...] [No, the hat, the hat; what are you talking about? They have seen the beard; the hat...] Ah, ah, ah, oy vey, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, ah... He was always concerned about Israel; he always had such pain over Israel: "Where, where are the people of Israel? Where is the Torah? Where?" Nu. And today he, he is the leader, leader of Israel, leader. And they take all the money and all the honor and all the greatness of Breslov. And I, I, I, I am the leader! [There are many.] There are many of... yes. [Yes, all kinds of shades.] Yes, yes, certainly. [He will make factions, factions...] But no, this is not Breslov. Breslov has little, but it is good: "A little that the righteous man has is good." ["A little that the righteous man has is good..."] Nu. [Saba and the friends sing: "And every being shall know that You made it, and every creature shall understand that You created it..."] Oy, he did not {stipulate}; he said these words: "And every being shall know that You..., and every being shall know that You made it..." Yes, it was like this. He made a claim to Hashem Yisbarach, yes: "When will this be?" "And every being shall know that You made it..." Oy, the melodies of Rosh Hashanah. On Rosh Hashanah the opponents had, they had humiliation; they, they came to throw stones. Then they, they heard our prayers on Rosh Hashanah, the melodies and songs. So they went away without stones; fear fell upon them. [.........] Ay... ay... ay... [.........] Is there, is there, is there no lemon? None? [Lemon?] Lemon, lemon juice; is this, is this lemon? What, what is it? [It is lemon concentrate.] Eh? ["Golden raspberry," "golden raspberry."] [.....................................] [................................] Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, ah... oy vey... ...[Alon and Sharon.] ..."The righteous will see and rejoice, the upright will exult, and the pious will rejoice in song..." Oy, what a melody it was; it could revive the dead. [Nu, then revive us.] All year there was life from the melodies of Rosh Hashanah. [Then give us some melody, something, something... a "crumb"; "the final waters are obligatory."] Yes. [.........................................] [.....................................] ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman."] [...........................] Not today. [Who is that? The Evil One awakened.] [Yes, awakened.] If you had been here seventy years ago... Then in the world {he had, then you would see how I look, look}. [Ah, the stones were all spent on the hat; they did not enter the head... the stones were all spent on the hat.] [Bullets passed by here—what are you telling me?] [...........] Ah... on Purim... [..........] Rebbe Yisroel, peace be upon him, began drinking at home, and danced at home. And I saw with every passing moment that more, he was leaving this world for another world. [For the World to Come.] Yes. In any case he reached... He began to go from the house, from the door to the street, "to announce," to announce that it was Purim, that it was... "To announce, to announce, to announce, to announce." I went with him, and he went all, all along the street, to the place of the Slonim people. The Slonim Chassidim are scoffers; they mock Breslov. So from there, there he went and entered a house, and everyone sat and drank wine and became drunk, yes. And he entered as though it were his own house, and danced. Then—there was an old man there, Rav Liishka, Rav Liishka—he said to me. [Rav Kehat.] Rav... nein (no), Rav Kehat was Karlin; he shouted at me: "Do you want to... do you want to make me deaf? I am already deaf; what do you want from me?" [Yes, what did Rav Liishka say?] Rav Liishka then said to me: "Do you understand his dancing? Rebbe Yisroel's? Do you understand what it is? They are wondrous dances, very wondrous." Yes, that is what he said to me. The head, their head, the head of the opponents, their head, yes. He became nullified because he saw Rebbe Yisroel's dancing. He entered among opponents, among, among scorpions, snakes and scorpions. And he made them nothing and naught. Nu, who sees such a thing? How did he have such might to enter into, into the very [core of the Evil One]? Yes, and to tell him and show him: "Come, come, come, come, come; I am not afraid of you." [Rebbe Yisroel, you also did the same thing.] Eh? [You also did the same thing.] Eh? [You went to weddings and danced for them all night.] No; whoever saw his dancing became completely nullified. But after he passed away, I went; once it was Purim. On Thursday night, and I had nothing for Shabbos. But my property was—I had in my pocket a half-lira. A half-lira; then it was a half-lira, enough for Shabbos. [Great wealth.] Yes, a half-lira, but that was the whole Shabbos; the half-lira was in my pocket. I said, "I want wine." They said, "There is none, no wine; it is already finished." So I said, "What? No wine? Take a half-lira and bring, buy wine." But I (not understood). So they took the half-lira from me, and I thought: "What, what, what did I do? What will happen? Tomorrow I will have nothing for Shabbos; why did I give the..." [But at least you were drunk? Did you drink...?] Everyone, everyone laughed. [But dr...] How I took out the check, the half-lira. [But did you drink from it?] "Go buy wine." [Did you at least drink wine from it?] Eh? [Did you drink?] What? What? [Did you at least drink from that wine?] No. [....] They did not buy. [They did not buy.] They did not buy; they understood that I was drunk. I took out a half-lira; they were afraid, because that half-lira was all I had for Shabbos, so they did not buy. [Ah...] [.................] [.................] [So they returned it to you?] Yes, yes. [Ah, I understand.] [...........................] [...............................]

[I only do not know; I want to know one thing, Rebbe Yisroel.] [.............] [...........] [No, you are not all right.] We can send millions. [No, you—if you want millions, just take a private plane; it is not honorable...] {..} [To travel just like that; one needs a private plane. There you will have a bed, a bed on the plane; you will be able to sleep when you tire. With food, everything; a "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman" plane landed in Geneva.] [...........] ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman" landed in Tokyo; "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman" landed in China.] [And if we are in London?] [In China, in China; there they study Sippurei Maasiyos.] Yes? [They will have all the...] They are researching "Sippurei..." [Yes, yes, we will research them already.] [................................] And also at our university, every morning they research the "Sippurei Maasiyos." [Yes, it was also on television.] Yes? [Yes, there were three researchers; Alon knows.] [Not on television, on radio.] [On radio, on radio.] On radio. [.......] [You also need to be in Australia.] In Australia? [Yes.] [It is far there...] Are there rich people there? Are there rich people? [Yes, but it is best for you to travel to South Africa, Rebbe Yisroel.] Are there rich people in South Africa? [Now the Blacks...] Only if there are rich people. [No...] [Saba, Saba, you did not eat chicken; eat, Saba, here is a small piece.] [The Jews want to flee South Africa, the Jews.] What is this? What is this? [Diamonds.] I do not want. [You do not want to taste?] [South Africa has the best diamonds in the world, the richest.] Yes? [Now the Jews want to flee from there.] Why? [The Blacks have started to go mad.] [To run wild.] Eh? [The Blacks want independence; they have started making wars.] Yes? [Yes, South Africa has the most money; let us travel to South Africa, not Mexico.] {..} [Where is it, Saba, that every night..., all day long, there is, there is no night?] [But there is a baal teshuvah...] [At the North Pole.] [Saba, one also needs to reach the North Pole, to the North Pole.] [No, there are no people there; what are you talking about?] [There are Eskimos there...] [................] [................] [Another, some other...] [Saba...] Whenever I come to America, the newspapers write: "An old man has come from the Land of Israel, and he wants to meet Reagan." [Nu, what will happen?] {..} [I, I wonder at you, Rebbe Yisroel...] [................] [Wait, I wonder at you, Rebbe Yisroel.] Nu. [When you wanted to meet Begin, you told me, "I am going in to Begin," and you went in. What about Reagan? You said, "Reagan, Reagan," and you are not managing to get in.] Ah... [...........] [Do something.] Ah, ah, ah... ...he took out the... this year. [Who?] Until he contracted leprosy. [No, now it is worse.] Begin, Begin. [Now it is worse; the leprosy entered his brain, and now he has lost his mind.] Yes? [Yes, Gideon said.] Ah, ah. [He already does not hear; he does not know what is happening to him, "ha-barbutal."] Ah. [He became "ha-barbutal."] [....] Kadishai knows everything. [Yes, certainly.] He knows what a downfall he had. [This is a carcass and this is non-kosher, yes.] Yes... ...he was with me in Jerusalem, when I was in Jerusalem, and I was with Yehonasan and... [Yes.] Then he came to me. [The rabbi.] The head of the rabbis. [From Marseille.] From... from... from... from... [France.] From Paris, from France, yes. [A friend of Morris, yes.] The head of the rabbis, yes. [A friend of Morris.] Yes, he—I told him... [A million, a million.] [A million, a million, yes.] I told him about Begin. [Yes, yes.] He promised and... so I, I need to meet him; I will tell him. Then he went; from me he went to Begin, he went to Begin. They told him that he was busy; he, he was occupied today, it was impossible for him... Then he, Kadishai, said to me: "That is not becoming of a prime minister; he promised and does nothing?" Yes. [Do not worry; there is Doctor Mister Klak now.] Then Kadishai said to him: "We, we are doing everything..." [Yes...] {...} [We are doing everything for...] For donations. [In order to take the people of Israel to...] [...........] [Shamir is...] [...]...