# Tape 3G, Side Bais
קסטה 3G — צד ב
Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/6 ## Segment 1 until I merited — I made a supreme effort — and until I succeeded in touching the railing of the building. Like — only just — only so that I could hold onto the railing. I felt: now — blessed be Hashem — now I — I can climb the steps — onto the building. And there is no sea — no waves — nothing at all. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Now I have hope. Nu — I climbed — there were many steps. And I held the railing and climbed with great joy. Every — every moment was beyond measure. And I had great joy — I merited to emerge from — from danger — from such dangers. And I am in the building — in the building — on the steps. Up, up, up — I climbed the steps until I reached the end — until I reached the door of the building. I reached the door of the building. So I opened the door and entered. And there was… what do you call it? [A corridor?] A corridor. Yes — yoy — there was a corridor. On one side there were beautiful windows. And on the other side — I had entered through the door — and on the other side there were doors — there was a wall with doors. ## Segment 2 Good. So I passed the first door and wanted to open it — to see what, what was there — what… And I did not open it. Not deliberately — no — I did not open it. I said: "What is this? Why — why did you not open it?" So, so I thought: I — now I will open. There are many doors. So I went — and also reached a door and also did not open it. And I was — and I was angry at myself: "Why did you not open it?" I did not open it — I passed the door — and also — and like this — all — all the doors — I passed them and wanted to open and did not open — until I reached — this is the dream — such a dream — until I reached the last door of the building. This — this is after the whole building. I had already passed all the doors and… until I reached the last door of the building — which was already… I reached the last door. So I opened — I opened and saw a room. I opened and saw a room — there was a table and a chair there. And on the chair sat a great old man — such a beautiful white beard — such grace — and also his form — his face — had such grace as is not seen in this world. Such grace — such sweetness. So I was very ashamed. I saw such an old man — I saw this elder — and saw his face. So I became very ashamed and my mind fell: "How do I have a place here — to be in this room and to see such an old man?" I was very ashamed. And I wanted to give the old man greeting — shalom. But no — I did not find the courage in my soul to give him shalom. How?… And I am so distant — I — how do I have a portion — such a portion — to give — how do I have the boldness to give shalom to this elder? ## Segment 3 Yes. So, so the old man was like this — this elder extended — held out his hand — and gave me shalom — and took my hand — and held my hand with great love and shaking — yes — and with "Shalom Aleichem" — and he continued and held me with great love. Such greeting — such drawing close. (Saba laughs.) I did not have such boldness — but he did it. So what — what could I do? So I accepted it. (Saba laughs.) And I woke up — and I woke up! ## Segment 4 So I remembered all the dream. And I remembered — until today I see his face as I saw it then. In the natural order a dream is forgotten — yes — at least the form. But as I saw the chair with the elder upon it and the elder and the description of the face — the face like this — I remember it. As if I see it now. Yes. So I had yearnings and longing — I want to know: who was this elder! (Saba laughs.) Perhaps Eliyahu HaNavi? Some — someone… Some great one? Who was this elder that I saw? (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 5 So it seems — I had yearni… Out of yearning I fell asleep. And I thought in my mind: "I will take a book and I will open it — perhaps I will find there some hint — who is this elder?" And like this I did. I woke up and took a book and opened it. This was the book Chayay Moharan from the first printing. Chayay Moharan. And I opened it. And my eyes were drawn… [What — what did you see?] I opened the book Chayay Moharan and my eyes fell upon this passage — where the holy Rabbainu reve… there was — he revealed — he revealed: "Whoever will merit — I will appear to him in the form of an elder." This — this — this — this I saw. So I already knew that the elder is Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) Such a good dream. (Saba laughs.) Oy voy… ## Segment 6 And I was a child — I was a child. And from the time I came to my senses — even when I was a child — my heart yearned to serve Hashem — to learn Torah and to give my soul for the service of Hashem. And I prayed with deveykus — with fiery enthusiasm — and with movements. And I prayed. And there was a certain old man there who was from the Chassidim of Bian — they — they — they do not pray with force and not with voice and not… only in a whisper. Yes. Nu. But even so — I — I had boldness and I did not look at them. And I… So this elder came to me every day — he — and gave me an important coin. Like this — he gave to me. He was known in the city as such a miser — he gives charity — the tiniest coin there is — a piece of a pak. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And he gave me — gave me — when I came home and gave it — they were poor — and I gave the coin. So they were very astonished. Yes. But afterwards I stopped giving to the household and began to collect coins for a siddur. I want to buy a siddur that will have in it Chatzos and Tehillim — Ma'amados and Selichos — all kinds of Selichos and all: a "Kol-Bo!" — that will have in it everything — all that there is in the world — some techinah — some — some — some thing — and also… yes. I started to collect the money for myself in order to buy a siddur. The name of the siddur was "Kol-Bo." And… like this it was. And all — everything was in it — in this siddur. And I had a longing and yearning for such a siddur. Yes. But there is — there is no money. And also in Teveria — no — it is impossible to obtain such a siddur — only in Yerushalayim. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 7 So the Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy on me. And my mother traveled to Yerushalayim for a hachnasas kallah — to marry off some child. In any case she traveled to Yerushalayim. And when she traveled I said to her: "I have collected money for a Kol-Bo siddur!" And I was very dear to my mother. And she — she gave me a promise that she would buy me a siddur as I wanted — "Kol-Bo" — that it should have in it, that it should have all the finest qualities. Yes. I gave her the money. And she kept her word — and she made the effort to involve some family — from our family — who knows all the great merchants. Because there is… such a siddur — not everywhere — not — not to be obtained everywhere. One needs to know where such a siddur is to be found. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 8 In any case she brought me a siddur — a new one from Yerushalayim. She came to Teveria with the siddur. And my joy — and I went to the synagogue with this siddur. And everyone envied me — he has — he has a siddur! (Saba laughs.) I wanted to eat the whole siddur. (Saba laughs.) What — what joy I had every time I saw the siddur with me. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 9 [Start from the beginning.] I forgot. [About the three wise men in Teveria.] At the time that Rav Tzvi Rosenthal drew close to Rabbainu — so the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged the circumstances — such was the Providence. He left his home to pray vatikin on Friday. (Saba laughs.) And he did not — did not return the whole day. They were already waiting — the whole family — the… his wife and children and father were waiting at all — at all times — until he would come — until he would come. How can this be? One goes to pray and does not return. (Saba laughs.) Nu, nu — there was a commotion throughout the city: "Rav Tzvi Rosenthal went to pray — what… and did not return. What these Breslovers do — on Friday, Erev Shabbos, they took Rav Tzvi. He has a wife and small children. Suddenly he disappeared. Who knows where he is?" Some — a few people said: "The Breslovers sent him to Uman — because the main thing for them is Uman." (Saba laughs.) Yoy. Others said: "Perhaps to Tzfas — perhaps to Yerushalayim." In any case they did not know… This — this is known: "Rav Hirsh (Tzvi Rosenthal) has disappeared — disappeared. There is, he is not here." (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 10 They sent — on Erev Shabbos — it was Friday — they saw — it was close to candlelighting and he was not there. So they — they took one hero of the heroes of Teveria — one who knows how to ride on horseback — like an airplane! And he traveled to Tzfas — they have family there. Perhaps he — he went to Tzfas because there was a dispute in the home about Breslov — about Breslov chassidus. So he — he went to Tzfas. So they sent to Tzfas and he was — he managed to return and inform that he had visited everyone — all the family — and Rav Tzvi is not there! (Saba laughs.) Nu, nu — the whole city was in such an uproar: the whole city — "The Breslovers — Breslovers who took Rav {Tzvi} from the family and…" He went to pray and is not here. (Saba laughs.) And he… On that Friday — this — this was all {forbidden}. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 11 In any case they lit candles for the honor of Shabbos — and Rav Tzvi is not here — not here — and not here. (Saba laughs.) In any case the children were weeping — and the wife and the family — his father. What kind of Shabbos is this? Where is Rav Tzvi? (Saba laughs.) And his wife and my mother and my wife — they went to the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and threw stones: "Where is Rav Tzvi? Where is Rav Tzvi?" (Saba laughs.) All the stones in Teveria they threw at the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 12 Nu — at night they were forced to sleep — they made a stop and went to sleep. But in the morning early — everyone woke up and went — (Saba laughs) — weeping: "Where is Rav Tzvi? What is this? On a Friday? He did such {things to them} — they could die." (Saba laughs.) "What is this? Where?…" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 13 In any case — they had already gone on Friday to the Mukhtar. And the Mukhtar liked such things — because he loved money. He liked — money. Yes. So there would be good business for him — the families of — of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal), Yisroel Ber — and there would be — and there would be — and there would be a good stew — and there would be coins for you. (Saba laughs.) So he said — he said to his wife: "Regarding Breslovers — believe anything. I think they sent him to Uman. He is not in Yerushalayim — he is not in Tzfas. They — they — they sent him to Uman!" (Saba laughs.) But Uman was not at war with Turkey. Nu — this is espionage — this — this — among them there is no relevance to war. Or — to Uman — this — they sent him." (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 14 And he made a complaint to the government — that we had sent Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) to Uman. And like this he was at all times — yes — to Uman. So this is a matter — this is a matter of espionage — a very serious matter. So there would be money from this — he would clarify that not… In any case — but there would be money from all sides — there would be money. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 15 On Shabbos morning they went up — they did not come to me — to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — {they were not doing} (Saba laughs) — I did not know. I got up — went to the mikveh — prayed at home — I start to pray: "Baruch SheAmar" and… The Mukhtar came with soldiers — with police. And I was in the middle of the prayer — after "Baruch SheAmar." He — he called — called me and said: "Come to prison — where is Rav Tzvi?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 16 Oy — the episode of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) — this — this is such a beautiful episode — a beautiful spectacle — what is this? When… It has never been heard in the world that a householder should go to pray on Friday and not return home — and no one knows where he is? Such a thing — only in Breslov. (Saba laughs.) And the whole city was weeping for the family. Rav Tzvi went to pray and did not, did not… This is only — only in Breslov can such a thing happen. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 17 In any case — he said to me: "That I should go with them to prison." Nu — in the middle of the prayer — I went with them. Do I have a choice? I went to prison. All my family came to prison to see where I was. (Saba laughs.) Who — who — who knows what will happen in prison? They — they will take me as a soldier — or — or they will beat me until I say where he is — where is Rav Tzvi? In any case — my mother and my wife and the family — they came to prison. And they saw me through — through the windows — they saw me. So they said to me: "What — what is happening?" I was in the middle of the prayer and could not speak… (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 18 In any case — several hours passed. The great official came — the moshel — the one who oversees all the police and everything. He — he came. He was already the hearing — the Mukhtar had already spoken with him about what he needed to do. He knows — he knows already that he has a good friend — this Mukhtar? What he says — he does. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And so he came. They brought me out of the prison {to the room}. And the great officer — "Yidnirar" — "the Yidnirar" (the officer) — oy — and he said, he — he was — he spoke with firmness. He was the Yidnirar. He said to me: "Tell — where — where — where is Rav Tzvi?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 19 What did they do? First they laid — they laid me on the floor and raised my legs up — like here — on the legs — on this — and they took a rope and tied my legs with this. Yes. These were large — large iron — strong irons. Yes. They tied me. And there was a police officer on this side and a police officer on this side. And my legs were up here. And they said to me: "If you say where Rav Tzvi is — good! If not? Then — then you will die! We will beat you murderous blows!" (Saba laughs.) And my family were hearing how he was speaking to me. And they — they feared that if they beat me — then I would die. Police officers — police officers? Arabs? They give murderous blows. There was weeping — my mother and my wife and… In sum — they tied me. And I lay with my legs up. And they suspended the — the sticks — the… yes. And the officer said to me: "Tell — where — where is Rav Tzvi?" ## Segment 20 I said: "I think he went to Yerushalayim." (Saba laughs.) So he said to me: "Know — we will keep watch. If we do not find him? Then we will punish — then you will die — we will beat you until — until — until death. Tell the truth!" So I said: "This — this — this is what I know — I am telling it." So they released me. And they sent on Shabbos — they sent on the road to Yerushalayim. In any case — after Shabbos — on Motzaay Shabbos — they found him in Afula. And they told Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) — the police found him — yes. And they said to him: "Know that Yisroel Ber and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) are in prison and in great danger. Go — return with us!" He returned with us — with them. He heard that there was danger — he returned — he returned with them. They came to Teveria — to Teveria on Motzaay Shabbos. But… Nu. ## Segment 21 So my family wanted them to release me from prison — that I should go home. And the law was — at night they do not release any person — if he — if he is in prison. If he is released — if they release him — he must wait until morning. At night — there are no releases. But the Mukhtar and this officer — they — they knew how to conduct themselves. And they released me on Motzaay Shabbos at night. Yes. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 22 But I forgot — about the three wealthy men of Teveria. Yes. Oy — they — they were already — they were from the new ones — new Zionists. Yes. They did — among them all Yiddishkait and Torah and… was a joke. But even so — they — they were natives of Eretz Yisroel. And the greatest of them had a flour mill. And he was important — his family — the father and grandfather were Karliner Chassidim. So he wore the shtreimel tilted like this — in the fashion. (Saba laughs.) Yes. And he went with his two friends — two more. He was the elder of them — not — not — not old — but compared to them he was older. Nu — so these three were — they were friends and they mocked Yiddishkait — like the Chacham in the "Sipuray Ma'asiyos." Yes. (Saba laughs.) They went and they — and they had a kind of laughter. They go to pray. Nu. ## Segment 23 But Yisroel — one was named Yisroel — Yisroel ben Zalman — Yisroel Zulmines — Zulmines Yisroel. And one — and the two were — one had the biggest pharmacy in Teveria — such a wonder even — even in Yerushalayim — a large pharmacy. And he knew the craft well — a great expert — this second one. And the third was Leibl — Leibl — also Aryeh. He was the biggest timber merchant in Teveria. Three — these three. And these — these three went to the synagogue. But for them — it was a kind of spectacle — a kind of joke. Like this they went to the synagogue. They went to the Karlin synagogue. This — the owner — the owner — the one who had the flour mill was named Yisroel Zulmines. He — he was the oldest of them. They were mannerly — he was a wise man and… yes. They went with him to the synagogue. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 24 And this — this was a kind of spectacle — they went to the synagogue. And the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) was among all the synagogues. Yes. And they saw a great commotion — the whole city in an uproar — a great uproar. And also my family and that of — and of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) — they were at the house of Rebbe Yisroel. And there were shouts and weeping. And they heard — they heard such a thing. They had never heard — "What is going on here? What is going on here?" "Ho! You don't — don't — don't — you don't know? Yisroel Ber has become a Breslov Chassid. And they took Rav Tzvi and he disappeared — he went Friday to pray and did not return." (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 25 So they — so they did — they heard a thing — such a thing? This — this… (Saba laughs.) In sum they liked it — they saw the world — such a great gathering. In the middle of it they were being told what is happening — what is happening in Teveria — Yisroel Ber is a Breslov Chassid. "You have not heard? {The episode of Rav Tzvi}." (Saba laughs.) And for them it was a kind of spectacle — a kind of spectacle. Yes. So — oy — "Yisroel Ber alone — Breslov?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 26 In any case they — they went to the door of the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). Yes — it was closed. He had closed the door. He was praying Shacharis. He — such a prayer? I did not hear it. But — but I heard that they said — that it was splitting the heavens — that it was such a prayer. Yes. My family — his family. (Saba laughs.) And they were with the Mukhtar — with the police. (Saba laughs.) So they — they — they stood at the door of Rebbe Yisroel. And also Mordechai the Mukhtar stood with police as well. They waited for him to finish the prayer — they would take him outside. Outside — they can take him. From the house — it is forbidden to take. But from outside — it is possible. ## Segment 27 In any case they — the three wise men — went to the door of Rebbe Yisroel. And they found the Mukhtar with the police. And they heard the prayer of Rebbe Yisroel — fear fell upon them! They had never heard — such a prayer? They had never heard! (Saba laughs.) What, what? So they were truly awakened — the Yiddishkait was awakened — the Jewish heart. Yes. And all of them — Yisroel — this one from the flour mill — and those two — those two — they said to Mordechai — to the Mukhtar: "Get away from here!" So immediately he went — they were his associates — his circle. So he was afraid of them. Yes. They were not simple people. They told him to go — so he went. And they remained. (Saba laughs.) And they remained — they did not go to pray — they did not go to Karlin. They — they — they saw such a spectacle. All the city in an uproar: "Where is Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)?" And my family — they don't… (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 28 So they waited until he finished the Shmoneh Esray of — of the Shabbos prayer. And they knocked on the door and spoke with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner): "We have sent away Mordechai — we sent him away. We want to speak with you." So, so he opened the door and they entered. And they were clever — wise. Not… yes. But they were nullified before the prayer they had heard from Rebbe Yisroel. (Saba laughs.) So one asked — they asked him several questions. And he answered first things first and last things last — he answered everything. And they were very astonished — they had never heard such words. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 29 They were clever — they asked him: "What is this? Breslov and Karlin and all — the religious — nu — they all have children. And also the Breslovers have a wife and they have children. What — what? What — what — what difference is there? They — they are below… These marry and have children — and those marry — marry and have children. So what? What is the difference? What — what questions — what?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 30 So Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) said to them: "These marry — they marry for the sake of — for the sake of bodily desire. And they also have children — naturally they also have sons. But the main thing for them is the desire for the… And those tzaddikim — the tzaddikim — they marry because they want children — for the sake of this they marry!" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 31 They thought: how can this be… They did not — did not know how to answer this. And he gave them a sufficient answer. And they — they — they did not answer. (Saba laughs.) And they were nullified before Rebbe Yisroel — and they loved him for everything he spoke with them — and he answered everything for them. And they were nullified. And they drew close — and they drew close to Rabbainu. Yes. And they supported him and… yes. Oy. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 32 They — for the first time in their lives — the three — the three wise men — they — they saw for the first time in their lives such an uproar. So when they heard — so they asked: "What is this uproar? What? What is going on?" "Ho — you haven't heard that Yisroel Ber has become Breslov?" "We heard — nu — so what?" "So what? They took him — Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal)." And they told him. They saw such an uproar — such an uproar — what is Breslov? And Rav Tzvi went to pray. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 33 On Sunday I was afraid: perhaps the Mukhtar wants money? He will come again and take me to prison — money — "Where is Rav Tzvi? Money — only money — money." (Saba laughs.) So, so I found a place next to the Karlin synagogue — a place — a hidden place — a place where one cannot be seen. I was there the whole day next to the synagogue. Yes. Perhaps Mordechai will come with police — I… And no one knew who — where — where I was. So they will go to search. (Saba laughs.) In any case — I — I was there until Minchah. At Minchah I went up from the place I was — to the synagogue — to pray Minchah — to hear "Kedushah" and… ## Segment 34 The elder Rav Kahat came — Rav Kahat was — he was a Karliner. And also — and also the father of the wife — of the wife of Rav Tzvi Rosenthal — was also a Karliner and they were friends. So Rav Kahat went to pray Minchah. And he heard that the police had taken Mordechai — the Mukhtar — to Istanbul. And there was a great complaint against him that he was a spy — that he… yes. So Rav Kahat said: "This is Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — Rebbe Yisroel — this is the act of Rebbe Yisroel. Rebbe Yisroel punished him — he — he — Hashem gave him punishment for this — for this Shabbos — he… They took him. And from that time he disappeared. I never saw him. He had — Teveria never saw him again." (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 35 They took him — and from then he disappeared. I never saw him. He had — Teveria never saw him again. Perhaps he… I think they killed him — spy. There was a complaint that he was a spy. So the English — they — they — they — they were at war with Turkey. And here was Turkey. Also Syria was Turkey and Lebanon was Turkey — all Turkey. Yoy. And… nu — Turkey. And the complaint was that Mordechai was a spy — he — he — he was a spy — all that is here in Turkey — he hands over to the enemy — to their enemy. So this is espionage. So he did not return alive. From — from that first day — he did not return to Teveria — not to Eretz Yisroel. Not — not known where — where he is — where he is. Yes. If they killed him and… In any case it is not known. Teveria remained without the Mukhtar — without Mordechai! Yes. (Saba laughs.) He made such a Shabbos — so he had such a Sunday — that they took him to Istanbul and he did not return alive. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 36 This was such a spectacle — the whole city was in an uproar. The Sephardim — they are a people unto themselves. They do not know what is going on among the Ashkenazim. And the Ashkenazim do not know what is going on among the Sephardim. Two — two — two separate communities. These are Sephardim and these are Ashkenazim. Yes. The one is not like the other. But the episode of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal)? The whole — the whole city — all the Sephardim knew that something — something like this had occurred. (Saba laughs.) That Rav Tzvi went to pray — on Friday — and did not — did not return! (Saba laughs.) Nu — all the city — Ashkenazim and Sephardim alike — everyone was in such an uproar: "How can one take… how does one do such a thing? On Friday one goes to pray and not…?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 37 This — this is not — this — this is such a wondrous act as we have never heard! The act — how can it be…? How does one do such a thing? (Saba laughs.) He went on Friday to Yerushalayim on foot. He had no money to travel. He went on Friday — went to pray. And from the synagogue he walked to Yerushalayim! (Saba laughs.) Has such an act ever been heard? The uproar that was throughout Teveria — among the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim — there was… Everyone spoke of Breslov: "What is this? How does one do such a thing? One goes to pray and does not return — on Friday!" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 38 And the three wise men of Teveria — they went to pray. And they did not — did not know anything. They did not know — not about Yisroel Ber and not about Rav Tzvi. {They knew} nothing of Breslov at all. They came… This Karlin synagogue was next to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). All the synagogues were next to — next to Rebbe Yisroel. So all those who went had to pass by Rebbe Yisroel. Nu. And at Rebbe Yisroel's place stood my family and the family of Rav Tzvi — they were throwing stones and weeping: "Where is he?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 39 The three wise men saw. (Saba laughs.) The whole city of Teveria is in such an uproar — what… So they asked: "What — what is going on here? These are synagogues where people pray — what is going on here? What is going on? What happened?" (Saba laughs.) "Ho — what — what? You haven't heard? Yisroel Ber has become Breslov! And Rav Tzvi — and Rav Tzvi has become Breslov" — on Friday he went to pray and did not return! (Saba laughs.) They heard news — such news — who has heard such a thing? (Saba laughs.) For them it was a kind of spectacle. Yes. They asked everyone: "What is going on? What — what is going on here?" And everyone said: "Yisroel Ber and Rav Tzvi." (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 40 And they — and they merited! They entered Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). They entered Rebbe Yisroel and wanted to hear what is this — what. (Saba laughs.) So they were clever. So they asked Rebbe Yisroel their questions — the matter — the matter of… They asked him: "What principle do you have — from the tzaddikim, from the wicked — they all take wives and have children. These Breslovers have children — they have a wife and children. We have a wife and children. And all the wicked — all the transgressors — have a wife and children. So what is there? (Saba laughs.) What? Why Breslov? Breslovers — don't they have wives? They also have wives — they also have children — what is this? What — what is going on?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 41 So Rebbe Yisroel… They asked mockingly. And Rebbe Yisroel answered them in truth — in wisdom: "There are — there are people who marry because they want to marry. They — he wants the desire. So he has children. And truly upright people — they — they — the main thing for them — they want to beget sons — as the Torah says one must beget sons. And for the sake of this they marry. They — because they marry — they have a child… They beget children. And these — for the sake of — for the sake of fulfilling the Torah — to beget children — so they marry!" Oy, oy. (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 42 So I — I became a person — a new person. Such an episode happened. (Saba laughs.) Who has heard such a thing? One goes to pray at the time of vatikin — says nothing — he goes to pray — and is lost — disappeared — is not here! Who has heard? (Saba laughs.) Everyone said: "This is only a Breslov act! The Breslovers can do such a thing — the whole world does not know." Oy, oy. (Saba laughs.) This — this is such an act — when Mashiach comes they will also tell it and there will be great joy from Rav Tzvi — from Rav Tzvi who walked on foot to Yerushalayim on Friday! (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 43 He said to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner): "I am not Yisroel Ber — I cannot bear it. Nu — if so — Heaven forfend — I am afraid that perhaps, perhaps I will fall — perhaps. So I am going. So I want to go to Yerushalayim. In Yerushalayim there is also Rav Shlomo Wexler and there are Breslov Chassidim. I can be there… Here in Teveria I cannot — I cannot — I am not a warrior! I must go to Yerushalayim. I have no money? I will walk on foot! Blessed be Hashem — my legs are strong. Blessed be Hashem — I have a strong body. I can reach Yerushalayim on foot." (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 44 This great officer — who took me out — to beat me murderous blows — oy — he was — he was also a lover of money — like Mordechai. Mordechai gave him too… There would be good business for him. They — he made a complaint that we are spies — that we are sending people to Russia — to Uman. Nu, nu, nu. So on Sunday they took him to Istanbul. He was a spy. And he did not return to Teveria again… Oy, oy. (Saba laughs.) (not understood) They went to the synagogue to pray and knew nothing. These three wise men — they went to pray — a spectacle — let us see how… Going with a tallis along the way talking. Yes. And praying. Good! Like every Shabbos. They came there and saw such a revolution — such an uproar. So they asked: "What is going on here?" "Ho — what — what? Don't you hear?" (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 45 Now there is another niggun. [Yes?] Yes — "Shoshanas…" Yes. (not understood) ## Segment 46 We must also announce it to ourselves. [Saba continues singing: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah…"] This broadcasts knowledge — this is a very great knowledge. [Saba continues singing: "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] ## Segment 47 The light of the tzaddik — Mordechai the tzaddik — Mordechai — the reverse of Haman-Amalek! ["Teshu'asam…"] [Saba continues singing: "Teshu'asam, teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam, v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador…"] Also in this generation — not only in every generation — also in this generation — also in this — also upon us. [Saba continues singing: "Teshu'asam, teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam, v'sikvosam b'chol…"] ## Segment 48 "Sikvosam" — hope. There is hope — there is, there is, there is no despair — only hope! [Saba continues singing…] Yes. Nu — come. Why are you silent? [Saba and friends continue singing: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach — Shoshanas Yaakov tzahalah v'samechah bir'osam yachad techeiles Mordechai teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] ## Segment 49 This is a great knowledge — this is only: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah" — what? "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — this is knowledge. One announces to oneself and to all — and to all — and to the whole city — to the whole world — one must "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah." [Saba and friends continue singing…] ## Segment 50 Both — both nigunim I remember. I — I had not heard — I — for the first time — the second time I heard these nigunim — there was awakened… there was such an awakening in me. Until today I feel — the — the awakening — until today! When I recall that I heard once — that I heard this niggun — I become a different person — a different person. The awakening is without end — without limit! Yes. ## Segment 51 And I saw — all those with whom I rejoiced after the passing of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) in Yerushalayim — Rav Shlomo (Wexler) and Rav Nassan — and Rav Nassan the husband of Gitkele — and Rav Gedalyah Berger — I saw literally the Shechinah resting. Every one said every word: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah" — then "teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador…" Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey — lehavdiah — (not understood) ## Segment 52 [Saba continues singing: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah shekol kovecha…"] ## Segment 53 If the world knew of this — they would all be tzaddi… all of us — all of them — holy tzaddikim. Yes. Only — the main thing — we are in wisdoms. We do not believe. How is it possible to repair such sick people as in these generations? How is it possible? A person despairs of himself. Ah — one must announce — "shekol kovecha" — all those who hope — this is everyone — all, all who hope in Hashem — whatever one's level — "kol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu — v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — as the holy Rabbainu explains: "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem…" — do you remember the conversation there? This conversation — the holy Rabbainu explains the verse: "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem kol hameychalelim laShem" — even whatever one's level — "kol hameychalelim"? "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem!" Not to fall — Heaven forfend. ## Segment 54 Ah — in particular this — the holy Rabbainu revealed this. This — this — whoever — one must extract one thing from within another — one thing from within another. Whoever revealed this — he is the Rebbe… he can extract for me — he can… "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem" — "Chazak v'amatz" — yes. As it is written in the letter — in the Petek: "Talmidi hayakar" — "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — "v'alecha amarti"? Nu — "Chazak v'amatz libecha" — "Chazak v'amatz" — yes — "b'avodascha!" And immediately the signature. This signature — it — it is the knowledge — he announces this to us. Yes. "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — as you — "v'alecha amarti chazak v'amatz lib…" — "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman"? ## Segment 55 This — never was there such a signature — not in the lifetime of Rabbainu — only this was revealed in the Petek. A new revelation — that it — it is the song that will be revealed in the future — 'pashut, kaful, meshulass, meruba' — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman!" This is a new revelation. This — the redemption — all the redemption depends on it! And… if we — we say this — so what, what? Who are we? What? I — I say like this — and another says like this. Yes. But what the holy Rabbainu revealed — still — still not even a drop from the sea. He — he announced only a little — a little that holds the great — only a little — a little — a drop from the sea — from his greatness. And he knew how we need him — for his every word — in order to know the Holy One Blessed Be He and to merit yiras Shamayim and emunah and truth. Yes. (Saba laughs.) There will be a new world — there will not… The world now is tohu vovohu and darkness! (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 56 He is not absorbing it? He needs to absorb all the niggun and the words. He — he is absorbing? [Yes.] Yes? [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) I saw truly upright people — genuinely holy tzaddikim. I saw how they held themselves in the utmost — in the utmost humility — in the utmost humility. And he revived himself: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, shekol kovecha…" Even I. (Saba laughs.) Yes. "Kol kovecha" — this — even I — as I am. Yes. "Kol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — this is the knowledge of Purim! This is such knowledge — it is simple. But — but it holds the small within the great — it holds a sea — a spring of wisdom holds within it — it holds levels. Not everyone merits to see what, what there is in it. Yes. But each one was joyful — there was another world — a special world. He — he — he was dancing in his own world. (Saba laughs.) Each one had such powers — different from his fellow. He was in another world — not — not… yes. But — but all of them — each one — all of them — all of them merited to feel the light of Rabbainu. Through Rabbainu — this: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah…" The holy Rabbainu announces this to us. Yes. "Shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — this is such knowledge that one can be through it every day and every moment completely new! "Kol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — even we — even {all converts, all the converts} in the world — and all the trans… This — this is Purim. Purim — this is Mordechai the tzaddik — this — this is the tzaddik. Purim — this is the light of — Purim — this surpasses all — all — all… Even Shabbos — even — even all the holidays. The joy of Purim. ## Segment 57 The holy Rabbainu said: "Before — all new beginnings were from Pesach. And now — from Purim!" Purim — Purim — what happened — what I saw — I saw — this is set within all my heart. I heard this seventy years ago. Nu — and how do I remember it now? It is set within my heart — forever! When I saw how they were dancing with such great joy: "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — (Saba laughs) — they — they instilled in me a new spirit — over all y… over all my life. Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) They cried: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah." ## Segment 58 [Saba sings: "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] ## Segment 59 "Lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — if only we would merit this. Because we do not — do not believe — how is it possible? Such sick people as in this generation — how is it possible that they would have — that they could be repaired? How is it possible? We have fallen and distanced ourselves so much — in these generations of darkness — in this orphaned generation. This is an orphaned generation. If there is no holy Rabbainu — the world is… They do not know of the holy Rabbainu. If all the world had known of the holy Rabbainu — the redemption would have come long since — Mashiach would already have come long since! (Saba laughs.) ## Segment 60 But — but: "gamarti v'agmor" — and "teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador" — yes — as we — as he. (Saba laughs.) The holy Rabbainu said: "Hashem — He, He is always victorious." 66 — (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish) — "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — "chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem kol hameychalelim laShem." Nu — "kol hameychalelim" — also we. Yes. In all — in all — in all the worst in the world — in all the most distant in the world. Yes. The holy Rabbainu attained chassadim — wondrous new chassadim — such as had never yet been — that had not been — that were not known — that had not been revealed in the world. This is new. He attained in the Torah — he attained insights such that "there is no despair in the world at all." (Saba laughs.) Oy voy — yoy — oy voy… ## Segment 61 like this — that I was literally nullified. How is it possible to merit this? Yes. Like this it was. (Saba laughs.) When I heard — even a hundred times — however many times I heard from them "lehavdiah" — "Shoshanas Yaakov tzahalah v'samechah" — it was for me new — as if, as if I had not yet heard it at all. Yes. (Saba laughs.) It was with such awakening — with such emunah — with such joy — that it was new! ## Segment 62 Ah — and I saw how the life of our people — anshay shlomaynu — was always new. And the joy was set upon the face and upon all the body. And he had no livelihood and he had no… There could have been confusions for him. I — Rav Gedalyah Berger — his wife was sick with tuberculosis — and he was poor. He had nothing. He was — he needed to — through miracles. He lived through miracles. And he was always joyful — and always — always he served Hashem with joy. And not as he — as one would expect. Yes. One does not see — in the world one does not see such joy — such service — such emunah — such has not been in the world. Only by Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. They did not become this on their own — they became this through Rabbainu — through his words. And every one — even in these generations — always — whoever truly wants and supports himself — and trusts in — in the Holy One Blessed Be He and in the holy Rabbainu — that he will draw us close to the Holy One Blessed Be He and to Torah. It is within his power — as we — we are already lost — we are already without Rabbainu — I… nothing! It is impossible to repair — it is impossible to heal such sick people. But the holy Rabbainu merited this — that he can heal all — even, even those who have no hope. And he attained insights such that… compassion of Hashem — the chassadim of Hashem — that had not yet been revealed in the world. So through this he can — he can bring out all — everything — from the tohu — from the mud — from the impurity! Yes. One can sing "lehavdiah" on every Shabbos — every day — yes — in all our lives. (Saba laughs.)