saba-tape-transcripts — complete plain text Source index: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/ Sections: - Tape 1G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/1/index.txt - Tape 6G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/10/index.txt - Tape 7G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/11/index.txt - Tape 7G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/12/index.txt - Tape 8G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/13/index.txt - Tape 9G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/14/index.txt - Tape 10G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/15/index.txt - Tape 10G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/16/index.txt - Tape 11G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/17/index.txt - Tape 11G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/18/index.txt - Tape 12G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/19/index.txt - Tape 1G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/2/index.txt - Tape 12G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/20/index.txt - Tape 13G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/21/index.txt - Tape 13G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/22/index.txt - Tape 14G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/23/index.txt - Tape 14G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/24/index.txt - Tape 15G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/25/index.txt - Tape 15G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/26/index.txt - Tape 16G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/27/index.txt - Tape 16G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/28/index.txt - Tape 2G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/3/index.txt - Tape 2G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/4/index.txt - Tape 3G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/5/index.txt - Tape 3G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/6/index.txt - Tape 4G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/7/index.txt - Tape 4G, Side Bais — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/8/index.txt - Tape 6G, Side Aleph — https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/9/index.txt ==================== # Tape 1G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/1/ Tape 1G, Side Aleph קסטה 1G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/1 Segment 1 EN: that we are speaking of our Rebbe, the holy one — Rebbe Nassan — with all manner of praises that we could say, we still have not yet reached a drop from the sea of his greatness. Yes. Rebbe — Rebbe Nassan said this, and I say only the words of Rebbe Nassan. Yes. But Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — he made me into a person of Rabbainu. We need to speak of them. Yoy. But not everything — everything — this is only Rabbainu. He rose above all. Yes. Segment 2 EN: The main thing is Rabbainu. If only there were truth in the world, and among our people — anshay shlomaynu — and they would speak of this, and publicize the name of Rabbainu, what Rabbainu is — the redemption would already have come, the world would already be drawing close to Rabbainu. But the falsehood — this, this, this separates and blinds, blinds one's eyes — the falsehood. Yes. Segment 3 EN: But the Holy One Blessed Be He — we are not permitted to harbor doubts about the Holy One Blessed Be He. Yes. A time will yet come. Yes. It will come, it will come — a time will come — it will come, the time will come — when He will remove the falsehood from the world, and reveal — and the truth will be revealed. Yes. Only we must believe and strengthen ourselves in prayer — to pray, like this — to speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He from the lips, or to study in a book, or to study Likutay Tfilos with the lips — what is written in the book, to say it with the lips. Yes. Without any — without any — without any heart. Without — yes. This… I say: "Blessed are You, Hashem…" like a convert. Yes. Segment 4 EN: [Do you remember that story that you told — that you didn't want to finish drinking the milk, that you were drinking…] Ah — the mother's milk ran out. [The mother's milk.] Yes, yes. [So I want you to tell it…] Segment 5 EN: So I went, I took out this — this… So she said to me: "You're already — you're already grown up, aren't you ashamed? What's the matter with you?" So I started to cry: "Oy, I want — I want the da'as, {what will become of it}." Segment 6 EN: And also — yes, I remember — that I was — how old was I, how many years — I was sick, I was very sick. And I had a battle with — with — with the angel, the Angel of Death. I felt that I was about to die. But I… [How old were you?] Ah? I don't remember… [Ten? Five, six?] In my childhood. [In childhood.] Less — less. [Less than ten. What did you feel?] In any case — [What kind —] Yoy. [What did you feel when the Angel of Death…] Segment 7 EN: I was very sick and became very weak. Because one who is sick — they need to give him something to revive his soul — milk! And she gave me milk and water. I received it… "Give me milk!" But she didn't have it — she gave me milk with water. So I said to her: "You're giving me milk and water — I want only milk!" In any case, afterwards I came out… I got better. So I said to my mother: "I am very weak, I need a little meat, soup (marak)." She gave me three coins — like today three, three groshn, three… And I went to the inn of 'Shafer' — the father of Yisroel Shafer. Yes. She, she, she cooked well. Yes. She gave me — with three groshn — to buy soup with — with — with — soup with a piece of meat, or a piece of chicken. Nu, nu. I tasted the — the soup. I had never tasted soup at home. So this — I felt a good taste. Yes. Segment 8 EN: But the Holy One Blessed Be He returned my soul to me through miracles. I saw miracles many times — miracles. The Holy One Blessed Be He showed me that He is giving me in order to live. Yes. [So that healed you — that soup healed you?] Yes, yes. [It gave you strength.] But she gave me only perhaps two times, or three times. I needed several… a week, two weeks, two weeks. Nu — she didn't give, she didn't have it. Nu. Yes. I live through a miracle. There was great poverty. And they received everything with love and joy — the father and the mother. Yes. Segment 9 EN: [You told me that there was — there was hunger. Your mother would give you in your room a piece of bread with a drop, a drop of oil — olive oil.] With — with — with a few drops. [Drops of olive oil.] Yes. So I asked: "Give a few more drops." So she said to me — what… She shouted at me: "I need the oil for Shabbos — don't say anything, this — this is enough!" Yes. Segment 10 EN: And afterwards I went and gave the bread with the drops of oil — I gave it to a poor man… There was in Teveria an old man, a couple — an old man and an old woman — and he went around asking for charity, a poor man. So I wanted to do tzedakah and kindness, tzedakah — I took the bread, I had no money — I took the bread and went to the old man, to that poor man, and gave it to him. And his name was Yosef Noach — Yosef Noach, that was his name — because I remember his name until this very day: Yosef Noach, two names. This was — this was during the Torah portion of 'Noach' — this is after Sukkos, Parshass Noach, after 'Beraishis' comes 'Noach'. So this is good. I… This was on Sunday. I went and gave him joyfully the bread with the drops of olive oil. I went and gave it to him. I thought I had done a great tzedakah — he and his wife would eat. Yes. Yes. Segment 11 EN: I went back to my room and had nothing to eat — I had given away the bread. So my head ached — my head ached terribly. I needed to eat and had nothing. So the Rebbe — the teacher — his practice on Sunday was to tell the students: "This week we go to — to Parshass Noach." Yes, he said it several times, so they should know what portion it was that week. Yes. He looked at all the students and noticed me — that I was not listening at all, as if I were not present in the room, I heard nothing at all — no — and knew nothing at all. So he let me be and finished. Afterwards he called on me: "Yisroel Ber — tell me, which — which portion is it this week?" I — I wasn't listening. I didn't know and didn't — didn't… My head was aching and I wasn't, wasn't, wasn't hearing what he was saying at all. Segment 12 EN: Nu, nu — he struck me with such cruelty: "What is this? I say several times like this that this week is Parshass Noach — where were you? You are not… What is this? Where were you?" He struck me and I was shamed in front of all the students. He beat me so cruelly. Yes. [How old were you, Saba?] I don't know. Small. [A child of five, six?] Yes, around that — they start learning Chumash. [Ah, Chumash, yes.] Segment 13 EN: Parshass Noach. Oy, oy. I said: "From today I will no longer give away — I must… if not, I will get beaten." I didn't know the week's portion was Noach — and yet I gave again to that poor man my bread. Oy. And within me was all of Yiddishkait — all, all that I had heard in spiritual matters, in matters of emunah, in matters of Torah — it was within me. I received new insights — things that had not appeared, things that I had not known even before… even previously I had not known of the Holy One Blessed Be He, of Torah — I heard that there is Torah and there is the Holy One Blessed Be He — and then it was within me, there was within me a great joy. Yes. Yes. Segment 14 EN: Oy — and I was the worst of all, of all the children — the very worst. I was born into poverty, and also I was a weak child. Yes. I have miracles in that I am alive, that I was able to live. I would study — I would rise early and light a small lamp. We had a small candle of number '2'. I lit the lamp and said Tehillim and prayed — I began to pray. And so the whole week I lit the lamp for — on, on — for several hours. And there was a shortage of… They had a bottle of — of kerosene. This bottle had to last from Shabbos to Shabbos. And I used the lamp. And when Shabbos came there was no — there was kerosene. So they said: "Ho, Yisroel Ber — Yisroel Ber makes us troubles like this. He, he burns the kerosene and there is nothing left for us, and there isn't, and there isn't enough for us to get through the week." Yes. Segment 15 EN: And also — I was born a very weak person. It is a miracle how I, how I grew up and am alive. Yes. But blessed be Hashem. And I was very simple, and I had a will — a strong will to be, to be a truly upright person, to serve Hashem in truth, and to study and to pray. Nu, nu. Especially when the years after my bar mitzvah began — the battle of the sins of youth began. Yes. Thoughts and… and I didn't know what this was. Yes. Oy, oy. Nu, nu. Who can tell it? Who can imagine it? Segment 16 EN: [So what did you do about the sins of youth? What, what, how, how — how did you overcome them? What did you do?] What? [What did you do when you reached the age of youth?] Segment 17 EN: I had very hard battles. And if there was any stain whatsoever — from a thought, or from some — no, no, no, Heaven forfend, I did not stain myself as {it is today}, rachmana litzlan — for any stain at all, no matter how small, it was as if I were the most wicked man in the world. Yes. I could find no place for myself before the Holy One Blessed Be He, before Torah. Yes. And this is what brought me to the Holy One Blessed Be He — precisely what I went through — and I strengthened myself and fought and said: "I love the Holy One Blessed Be He, whatever will be — I want to serve Hashem, I…yes." Oy voy… Segment 18 EN: I — I prayed in the synagogue, but I prayed with fiery enthusiasm, with emunah and with truth. Yes. Until I was alone in this — yes — and I looked like a madman. There was one old man whose name was Rav Yaakov Kasir — Kasir, Kasira Kasira, Kasir — Rav Yaakov Kasir. And he knew some learning, and he was an upright person. Yes. He was from the Chassidim of — of Bian, of… But he loved me very much. He heard the prayer — with truth and with fiery enthusiasm. Yes. He loved me very much. By his nature he was a great miser — yes — even for tzedakah he was a great miser. Yes. And he came to me at the place where I was standing and praying, and gave me a large coin. Yes. He placed a large coin as a gift in my hand. So I was astonished: "He is such a miser, and he gives me such a coin!" Segment 19 EN: [Was this before you knew of Rabbainu? Before?] Yes! [Long before that.] Yes! [Before you were married — before everything.] Ah? [Before the wedding — before — before you were married.] Yes, certainly. Who can imagine? Who can describe? Who can?… Without chiyus, without… And there was no one for me — who, who would speak with me, who would guide me. Yes. I was in atzavus — in sadness. Yes. Broken, broken. [Broken heart.] Segment 20 EN: But this was a great good — because I was broken, and this, this drew me close to the Holy One Blessed Be He, to Torah. Yes, yes. This was for the good. Yes. [What did you do? Did you go to tzaddikim? What? The broken heart —] Nu. [When you were broken —] Nu. [So what did you do in order to come out of it? Out of the broken heart — did you pray more? Did you go to tzaddikim?] Segment 21 EN: Yes. I yearned — I had yearnings for the Holy One Blessed Be He. Yes. And I was ashamed — I thought that only I have an yetzer hara, only I have desires, and everyone else is pure. I didn't know what others have. So I said: "All the desires and all the troubles and all the… all, all — I am worse than everyone in the world, worse than all of them." I didn't know that others also have a yetzer hara. Open? [Yes.] Segment 22 EN: Oy, oy. [So what did you do? Did you go to tzaddikim? Did you go —] Segment 23 EN: I only knew that I am a Karliner — I have, I have an Admo"r… I have Karlin. He, the Admo"r of Karlin — he knows, he has ruach hakodesh, and he knows… He is in the lands outside Eretz Yisroel, and I am in Eretz Yisroel — he knows, he recognizes me, and he… And I was very glad, because the Karliners — there isn't, there isn't… Every kind of chassidus has some special thing that it takes pride in, and he… yes. That he serves Hashem. Oy, oy. Yes, yes. [So what —] Segment 24 EN: So, so I thought that my Admo"r — the Karliner — Karlin — is greater than all the Admo"rim, because they shout in prayer, and I loved to shout to the Holy One Blessed Be He. Yes. What — and they shout. But I shouted — there was an old man next to me who said to me: "You wicked one — I am an old man, I already don't hear well, and you want to make me completely deaf? What do you want from me? Why do you shout so much?" So I thought: my Admo"r is in the lands outside Eretz Yisroel — he recognizes me, he has ruach hakodesh, and he — and he… I have, I have, I had, I have the Admo"r of Karlin. Segment 25 EN: Until I was freed of — of Karlin. Don't ask. Oy, oy, oy. When I merited to draw close to Rabbainu — who knows — no… The klippos before, when I had Karlin — this, this — from this I had confusions. There are Admo"rim who are in the lands outside Eretz Yisroel… There were no Admo"rim in Eretz Yisroel — in Eretz Yisroel there were no Admo"rim, only in the lands outside. So I thought: before the coming of Mashiach — Mashiach — as long as Mashiach has not come yet, has not yet arrived — so the Admo"rim are in the lands outside Eretz Yisroel. They cannot reach Eretz Yisroel, because their holiness is… Yes. I thought all Admo"rim are holy, but Karlin is holy of holies. Segment 26 EN: But blessed be Hashem — the Holy One Blessed Be He did miracles for me, that I merited to draw close to Rabbainu, and I merited to understand and to see and to feel — what, what Yiddishkait is, and what Torah is. What… Yes. Oy. But, but there was no one to guide me — I didn't have Rabbainu, I didn't know of Rabbainu. Afterwards when I merited to draw close — then I didn't know — did I know then what I know now? But every piece of knowledge that I merited to feel — the truth was… I felt: "Ho! This — this is truth like this, there is nothing like it, this…" — until I merited to be freed of Karlin and all the klippos. Segment 27 EN: Yes — because I drew close to Rabbainu and traveled to Yerushalayim. And Yerushalayim is a city of great scholars — tzaddi… great geonim. But our people — anshay shlomaynu — they were broken, and they were humble before them in what… And every word I heard from our people — I felt such truth. I saw, I understood. The Holy One Blessed Be He gave me wisdom and intellect to understand. I saw Rebbe Naftali Cohen — he was a wise and enlightened man, and he was — he was a great sage. Yes. And he was a builder — he was able to build, to build large buildings — and he built the synagogue. Segment 28 EN: [But Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — you met him before all of them, yes?] Ah? [Rebbe Yisroel — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — you met him before all of them, before Rav Naftali Cohen?] Ah, certainly! [All of them — first of all Rebbe Yisroel.] Certainly — first of all Rebbe Yisroel. Yes, yes. He opened all the gates for me — through him I merited to understand, I merited… Yes. And the man Rav Naftali — I, I asked him questions: what to do about the yetzer hara? And he loved to speak with me. He saw the simplicity and truth in me. So he loved me very much. Yes. Nu. He — he was unable — there was a great distance. He was already old, and I, and I… And also I am a simple person, and he was a son of Torah. And he spoke with me, he — he did not like to speak much, but… He spoke much, but in his words there was holy wisdom. Yes. And he, and he instilled in me a spirit — a new spirit. Yes. This is the matter of Rabbainu. Yes. He explained to me what false beliefs are. Yes. He said: "That false is falsehood — false beliefs." So I thought: Karlin — my Admo"r, the Karliner — he is not, he is not, he is not a liar. Until I merited to know that he too is together with them. Until I merited to know and understand this — because if I had not understood, it would have — it would have been a great trouble for me. This heart — there is a blemish in my heart. Yes. A flaw, a flaw. Nu — what does one do? Segment 29 EN: And blessed be Hashem — the Holy One Blessed Be He helped me, that the words I heard from our people in Yerushalayim were for me a consolation, a salvation — salvation and consolation — and it illuminated within me a great light, to know what this… Yes. I saw that Karlin — Karlin, Karlin, Karlin. Yes. And also everyone — I held on to all of them, to all the false ones. Only my false one — he is holy in Torah and… Karlin. Until I was freed of this — until I merited to understand that this is falsehood — Karlin too, and everyone. Yes. But I was joyful in my portion that I merited the light of Hashem — to know, to see, to understand, and to grasp that this is falsehood and this is truth — against all the world: "and it was reversed" — yes. Segment 30 EN: I, I, I did like this: "Who are you? What? What? What do you know? What do you understand?" Ho — the Holy One Blessed Be He contracts Himself, and Yisroel Ber too, yes. I merited to feel and to see and to understand that this is truth and this is falsehood! Yes. This — this was at a time when the whole world was sunk in the falsehood — in Admo"rim — and I merited to see the opposite of everyone. Yes. And it did not influence me — they are many, they are great in Torah. What? Who am I? What are you? No — the truth is strong, a mighty warrior like there is none other. Every word I heard from the people of Rabbainu — Rebbe Nassan, Rebbe Nassan the husband of Gittle after Rebbe Yisroel — his simplicity, his truth, his speech, his face, his speech — I saw that all of them have nothing in them at all. If — if — if you see {that a person had nothing in him} — this is Rebbe Nassan, this — this is serving Hashem. Yes. Segment 31 EN: Because I was in Yerushalayim and I received from this one a word, and from that one a word, and from another a word — and it entered my heart. And I came back to Teveria with merchandise — with new merchandise — new nigunim and a new Yisroel Ber. This is not the Yisroel Ber from before. Yes. Then everyone knew that Yisroel Ber had been in Yerushalayim. And this was a miracle from the Holy One Blessed Be He — beyond nature, impossible to understand. I was born among them, and I knew these were God-fearing Jews. They all had a name of falsehood — that they are yiray Hashem, that they are… Yes. But the Holy One Blessed Be He gave me wisdom and intellect, and I discerned and knew and saw and understood — the truth. Yes. Segment 32 EN: Were it not for the machlokes — were it not for the opposition — I would have known nothing of Rabbainu. It was precisely — precisely this that drew me close. Yes. These were good gifts: "I have brought you a gift from Eretz Yisroel — 'machlokes'!" This was such a gift as there is none like it in the world. Now give me all — all the money in the world — I don't want it, I don't want it. Yes. There isn't — time has passed. But even today Mashiach has not yet come — the truth is not yet so… Yes. But the world is beginning — beginning to hear and understand about Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman, about Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. Yes. Segment 33 EN: All my life there were those who were afraid, frightened to touch a Breslov book. And now one can buy Breslov books everywhere. Nu. I had a hard question to the Holy One Blessed Be He: "Why — the truth — why is the truth not being revealed? Or is the world already in a state of tikkun? When will it be? How is it possible — how can there be the redemption?" But now I see — from eighty years ago until now — I see such a power: the world is drawing itself to Rabbainu. It would have been fitting that the whole world should distance itself from Breslov — because all the great ones were, were opposed, were not… Yes. This has become a wonder — such a wonder. Segment 34 EN: And so the holy Rabbainu said: "I have brought you a gift from Eretz Yisroel — 'machlokes'!" The whole world — all… He is informing us of this: "The whole world will oppose me — and then whoever draws close to me will be from my people." What… Oy — what they suffered, they suffered across generations — in these generations. They prepared for Mashiach the people of Rabbainu and the books of Rabbainu — every word, every word and every… But the falsehood — the falsehood — this, this blinds eyes, makes eyes blind. Yes. And they do not… And they profane, they plunder — the truth. But Rabbainu already announced: when he entered Uman, he said to Rebbe Nassan: "Even so — the Holy One Blessed Be He, the Holy One Blessed Be He always finishes according to His will." There was a Rebbe and a disciple like this — unique in the world — from the day the world was created. Such a Rebbe and such a disciple. And also all the disciples of Rabbainu — what that is, what that is — oy, blessed be Hashem. Segment 35 EN: I was crushed and broken and I submitted — and submission — yes. But the heart within was — the truth burning like a flaming fire. Yes, yes. This was a miracle! Segment 36 EN: There were in Teveria Chassidim of Karlin. And when someone does good deeds — some good thing, tzedakah, kindness — he is considered very important in the city, and they give him the name of tzaddik, and he — everyone jokes, but he did not joke. He served Hashem and was an upright person — he did not joke. But even so, in his heart he had opposition against Breslov, because he could not change the world. Yes. To change the world — only truth can do that — against all the world. Segment 37 EN: Oy — Master of the World! Oy oy, oy voy — how much I loved Breslov! I gave my soul to travel from Teveria to Yerushalayim at a time when I had — had no money, no bread for the children, no clothing for the children. I traveled to Yerushalayim. They were all poor — our people were poor. Yes. Nu. Among poor people — can one eat? Can one receive money? Or… even not much, even — but they, they are poor. I suffered: if there is no money there is no bread. I go to the shop — he won't give me. Whether I am hungry or not — that is not his business. "You want bread? Money!" I had no money. And water also I had none. Segment 38 EN: In Yerushalayim there was a great scarcity of water. Today there are springs and there is… But then there was one spring in all of Yerushalayim. And there were two kinds of water — water for washing hands (netilah) and water for drinking. For drinking — in the synagogue they did not — they did not purchase for drinking, they did not buy. They bought cheaply water for washing — I had no water to drink. No bread and no water. Segment 39 EN: Nu. And when I traveled to Yerushalayim — I looked at myself: "How — how — how are you traveling? To whom are you traveling? What? What will you do there? And you don't even have bread to eat." And I did not look at this — I gave my soul. Yes. I needed to hear from Rav Naftali — from this one, from that one, from this one — some word of Rabbainu. Each time there were different reasons and different miracles for the journey. Because without money one cannot travel — to Yerushalayim, to Haifa and to… One needs money to pay for the expenses and for bread. There was none. But with the Holy One Blessed Be He everything is recorded — there is an accounting. Yes. Everything is recorded. Yes. The Holy One Blessed Be He sees my heart — He saw that I was traveling with mesiras nefesh in order to hear some word of Rabbainu. Yes. Segment 40 EN: And so He writes to me: "My dear student." But I was alive — and I suffered hunger, the shame of hunger. And water also I had none. Such a journey — it is unique in the world. Segment 41 EN: I told you once that I met Rav Alter the shochet — Rav Alter. He was a Karliner — a Karliner Chassid. He had such a name that he was a tzaddik, that he was great, that he served Hashem, that he did tzedakah and kindness. Yes. Such a name as would be {in the town of Bergen}. So I wanted to travel to Yerushalayim but without money one cannot travel. So I saw Rav Alter and said: "Perhaps he will lend me." I said: "Rav Alter — I have a request of you." "What, what, what is it?" "I need a loan — half a lira!" So he looks at me like a madman: what is he talking about? Am I wealthy? Do I have half a lira? In a bank there is half a lira, there are liros — but I only have groshn… # Tape 6G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/10/ Tape 6G, Side Bais קסטה 6G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/10 Segment 1 EN: (Saba laughs.) [The journey to America was all wonders — wonders.] Wonders. [The Weber family — and food — five months.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Food and such an apartment — five rooms — where does one find such a thing? Where? Only with Rabbainu. And two minutes from the mikveh — and a wheelchair and… Blessed be Hashem — they did it — they found the apartment in the best location — the best location in all of America.] And now they — they have turned around. They became — became opponents. Mrs. Weber. [They will still return. They only passed through this because — five months — how does one give a person five months without making money and publicity? This is not — this is the reverse of the world — to live and not do any real publicity that would shake everyone — and not to be an Admor. They are used to —] {I}. [When a tzaddik comes to the city] — yes. [So he receives kvitlach and such things.] Ah — ah. [And this is not — they are not — not intentionally — Heaven forfend. They simply do not — do not know the way of humility and lowliness of Rabbainu. And the way of Rabbainu — for them — this is a way that they do not — do not understand. The reverse of the world. Admorim — on every street five Admorim.] (Saba laughs.) [On every street in New York — five Admorim.] Yes. [Yes — almost like people — upon every — upon every person there are two Admorim — upon every person in the street there are two Admorim — upon every Jew.] (Saba laughs.) [And especially here — there is such truth and a Petek from the heavens — that you should not be…] What is the time? [Now it is quarter to two — quarter to two.] Quarter to two? [Yes — I — I now finish everything.] Are you traveling tomorrow? [I am traveling tomorrow. I am traveling to Mordechai before Shabbos exactly — and on Motzaay Shabbos immediately return.] Yes? [Yes — because only for Shabbos — because this I need too — because I need to be here. I on Sunday need to be here with you.] Sunday — for the journey to Shilo. Yes. [For traveling to Shilo. I still in a few minutes am traveling to the Kotel — in a few more minutes — I am only taking care of this.] You have not arranged it yet — no. [Now it is sorting itself out.] Ah? [Now I am all the time — it is always being cleaned now — now at this moment I am pressing it — it is all the time being cleaned now — it is erasing what was.] Yes? [Yes — and this will be clean for the new recording.] What — yes? [Yes — one can always clean it.] Already — already — already… [Not at the moment — it is passing all the time.] Ah — ah. [It passes at the speed of speech — like before — it does not clean immediately.] Now it stands — it is not — not doing anything. [No — now it is recording what we are speaking.] Ah. [And this erases what was before.] Yes. [What we are speaking now is new.] Oy. (Saba speaks with Tziporah in Yiddish.) Perhaps he has no time — he needs to go. [Who? Who? Ram?] [I am not holding him back.] No — no — no — no. [It is in place — he is waiting — it is fine — fine.] Segment 2 EN: [Saba — is your vision improving more and more?] No — no. [No — for now no — I heard in the name of someone.] [But without the evil eye — he — the Bodrah — he took the "Shaagas Aryeh."] [Yes.] [And he read it — and he remembered that he had it at his bar mitzvah — he said the…] [A discourse from it?] [Ask him.] [Saba — I was told — I was told that the previous Admor of Gur — they performed the same operation on him.] Yes. [Yes — l'havdil — and it took half a year until he began to improve. At first he saw nothing.] Ah. [Half a year — six months.] Yes? [There was no change — and after six months suddenly he saw that the operation helped.] Ah — yes? [And they say here at Hadassah that it takes time until the eye…] Until… [receives — accepts the operation.] If only — if only. But I do not see — I cannot see to pray and not… [No?] No. [Not even a siddur with large letters?] Very weak. [As before.] Yes — yes. As before — as before. But blessed be Hashem that I can see to walk. I… [This is from the tears of the surgery.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Every drop in tears.] A little water came down. [It is like water — like water.] It came down by itself. Whoever wants to weep — then one must (not understood). Yes. But this is without weeping. [Today I read in Likutay Moharan that when tears fall — this weakens one's eyesight.] Yes. [In Torah Reish-Nun.] Yes — yes — yes — yes. Yoy. [Yes — yes — you can — I am only.] Yes. [I am only finishing with this — I am sitting here a few more minutes until everything passes — and then I am going to the Kotel with Hashem's help. This is clean — this came out all — all words.] All the words I spoke? [Yes — everything is in there.] In there — nu — nu. [Yes — all of it — there are no forbidden words here — there are no special words that are forbidden for the world — these are all words.] Ah — ah. But these words that I am saying to you. [Yes — yes — yes.] Yes… Segment 3 EN: Oy — we do not know. The kindnesses of Hashem truly. We do not know what we merited in these generations — what we merited — unique in the world. This is not — the whole world does not know of this. There is this in the world and they know nothing. [Rabbainu humbles you — otherwise I would have been proud to the heavens.] (Saba laughs.) [But he gives me humility constantly — brings me down constantly — so that I know that I am nothing — constantly — all kinds of falls — he does not give me a single moment to feel that I am unique — nothing — with Rabbainu — there is no — no pride — nothing. I feel he does not give me…] We are unique — we are the unique ones in the world — that we merit to speak and hear such words — that the whole world does not know — and not — and not… Even — even Breslov Chassidim — we are distinguished from them. Yes. (Saba laughs.) There are today such Breslov Chassidim who… Segment 4 EN: Take {a little}. [I already made a blessing — again.] Take — yes. [One of the friends makes the blessing "boreh minay mezonos."] Amen. [Only two years now — since I have been with the Pe… — I drew close to the matter of the Petek — I am beginning to receive the — two years of sowing — two years only of seed.] Yoy. [Sowing.] Now he {is rising — rising a little.} [Now he is beginning to see a little — a little — a little — a little. The soul is beginning to feel that there is a little… One must have compassion — he is thirty-three years old — he needs a marriage match.] Who? [He is thirty-four — thirty-five years old.] Yoy. [Saba — Eliezer told me that Yonasan is very ill.] Yes? [His face has a disease — a disease.] What? Is he here? [No — he was here a month in Yisroel.] Yes — in America. [And he returned from extreme illness.] Yes? [His face — he suffers from a skin disease.] Yes? [Such that he cannot show his face even.] Yes? [To such a degree — he cannot even show his face to anyone.] Yes? [He wanted to come to you once — he was not even able to come.] Yes? [From so much — from so much shame about his face.] Yes? [Such a skin disease — that one cannot look.] Yes? Oy — oy — oy — oy. I had a good marriage match for him. [I remember — this American woman.] Yes — yes. [Yes — I remember — yes.] And he wanted a beautiful woman — wanted… Yes. If he had married — he would have had — would have had children. And she was modest and she was attached to Rabbainu. [I remember — I remember — I was trying to do something.] I say — I thought this was good. And he — he sought the world — a beautiful woman — not enough — not beautiful enough for him. What? Nu — {I wanted} to bring children into the world. (not understood) What — what — what kind of madness is this? I thought she was — she was a beautiful woman — and she was a woman as — as — as is normal. [Yes — healthy.] One needs to be unusual — to see… Yes. The main thing is that he is yiras Shamayim. And he has yiras Shamayim. Segment 5 EN: [Saba — in America — in the secular world — both in America and in this country — more than fifty percent — divorces.] Yes? [More than fifty percent divorces — almost every other couple — even more.] Yes. [Divorces.] Yes? [In my kibbutz — many people live alone with their children. Many have divorced — masses are divorcing — half of the kibbutzim — divorces.] Yes? [It is impossible to live in — and people do not want to marry — up to the age of thirty — they don't marry at all.] They do not want to marry. [They don't want — there is no — without — without Torah — there is no peace — only fire. So more than fifty percent divorces in all the…] In the whole country. [In all — in the world.] In the world? [In America.] In America? [More than fifty percent divorces.] Yes? [And also more than fifty percent marry non-Jews — the Jews.] Yes. [More than fifty percent marry non-Jews — every other couple in America — Jews — marry non-Jews.] Yes? [Mixed marriages — yes — mixed — a Jew a non-Jewish woman — a non-Jewish woman a Jew.] Yes? [Yes — shmad — complete shmad — complete shmad. Mordechai told me — they had guests at his home — from his family — sixty-year-old people — the woman was born in Poland — he is her uncle.] Yes. [And they — and both of them go to church in America.] Yes? [Yes — to church.] To church? [Yes.] What is this? [Yes — I spoke with them.] Yes — you spoke with them? [Yes — I tried — no — he did not tell me beforehand — he did not say to me — only afterwards he told me with whom I had spoken.] Mordechai. [Yes — at first I did not know.] Ah — ah. [But I spoke with them.] Yes. [And they said: "Ho — there are Chassidim who speak — and they are pleasant — and they understand the world and know." I spoke with them as… but no — no — I only spoke with them nicely and respectfully.] They are a couple — they are married. [A couple — and they have grandchildren — they have children and grandchildren.] Both go to church? [Yes — they — and the children marry non-Jews — partly — partly non-Jews — partly… Mordechai is the only one from a family of a hundred — who remained Jewish — who remained a Torah-observant person.] Yes. [From the entire family — one became an anti-Semite — an Israel-hater — he is going as a terrorist against the Israelis.] Yes? [Even terrorism.] Even? [A terrorist — a terrorist — a saboteur.] Yes? [He lives in Canada — and he is a saboteur — he believes in the way of the saboteurs.] Yes. [A Jew who participates in — this — this is also a sign of the redemption — that it needs to come. The darkness became so great and increased — that only —] They already — [there is nothing left — only the Petek — only the Petek "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" remains — hop!] (Saba laughs.) [One spark burns the whole world — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman."] Without any preparation — without — and it rises above everything. Yisroel Ber — "Talmidi hayka…" — Yisroel Ber — "Talmidi hayakar" — "v'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) [This is the end of the generations — this is the end — everything — everything is already finished.] How — how does it exist in the world? How does it have existence? And how did it come to Teveria? And how… Everything — everything is — it is beyond nature. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Who knows how to make a signature? They say that someone put it in the book for me. But… Levi Yitzchak (Bender). Yes. Segment 6 EN: [Saba — what we did in America — we put a recommendation in every synagogue. So when we were in America] — yes. [A few months ago] — yes, yes. [We put it in every synagogue in New York.] Yes. [The recommendation.] Yes? [Of Feinstein.] Nu. [So that people would come and take amulets.] Did you stick them? [Yes — we paid money — and there are people appointed — who know where to put them in each synagogue.] Yes? [Six hundred synagogues — six hundred.] Nu. [All of New York.] Yes? Nu — nu. Does everyone know of the Petek? [The ultra-Orthodox synagogues — the religious ones — not the Reform.] Yes. [Only the —] Certainly. [And they called us and came to take amulets.] Yes? [Some came and received this.] Yes. [I thought perhaps — I want to ask you — if it would be worthwhile in Yerushalayim the Holy City — to say that there are amulets and to post announcements as it was in America.] (not understood) [The recommendation.] The recommendation — the recommendation — the Petek. [And the Petek.] And they will come by themselves. [To post the Petek also as an announcement together with the recommendation?] Ah? [To post on the bulletin board also a photograph of the Petek with the recommendation?] Yes — yes — yes. A photograph. [A photograph.] Yes. One can post photographs on all… [And what — and just leave it like that? Or also some telephone number that one can call if someone wants to know more details? A telephone number?] Telephone. [Or several telephone numbers — of Aharon perhaps? So they can call him.] Yes. [Or Yechezkelhu.] Or Yechezkelhu. Or you. [Or me — three telephone numbers — and whoever — if someone wants — someone wants to know more.] Yes — whoever wants — whoever wants to know. Yes… Segment 7 EN: What — what will they say? [Saba and friends continue: "l'cha ul'cha — l'cha ki l'cha — l'cha af l'cha — l'cha Hashem hamamlachah — ki lo na'eh ki lo ya'eh…"] Why should we — not — take from the honor. Honor is only for the Holy One Blessed Be He. "Who is this King of glory?" [Hashem.] Yes. "L'cha ul'…" — sovereignty and honor — this is only for the Holy One Blessed Be He. [Saba continues: "l'cha ul'cha — l'cha ki l'cha — l'cha af l'cha — l'cha Hashem hamamlachah — ki lo na'eh ki lo ya'eh…"] Yes — oy. "L'cha ul'cha — l'cha ki l'cha — l'cha af l'cha — l'cha Hashem hamamlachah — ki lo na'eh." Honor and sovereignty — this is only for the Holy One Blessed Be He. "Ki lo na'eh — ki — ki lo na'eh — ki lo ya'eh." Ay — nu — zayin. I forgot. [What?] Zayin. ["Zakay."] Ah? ["Zakay."] "Zakay" — yoy — yoy — yoy. "Zakay." [Saba continues: "Zakay bimluchah…"] Nu. [Saba continues: "Zakay bimluchah — chasin kahalachah — tafsurav yomru lo — l'cha ul'cha — l'cha ki l'cha — l'cha af l'cha — l'cha Hashem hamamlachah — ki lo na'eh — ki lo ya'eh…"] What will they say? [Saba continues: "l'cha ul'cha…"] We should not take anything — yes — from honor and sovereignty and… No. "Ki lo na'eh — ki lo ya'eh." (Saba laughs.) [Saba continues: "l'cha ul'cha — l'cha ki l'cha — l'cha af l'cha — l'cha Hashem hamamlachah — ki lo na'eh — ki lo ya'eh…"] (Saba laughs.) [Something from Purim — yes? Something from Purim?] Nu. [Saba and friends sing: "Shoshanas Yaakov tzahalah v'samechah — bir'osam yachad techeiles Mordechai — lehavdiah — lehavdiah — lehavdiah — lehavdiah — lehavdiah — shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] Segment 8 EN: [This woman — she came a year ago to this country — a year and a half ago.] Ah? [A year and a half ago she made aliyah to Eretz Yisroel from New York.] Yes? [Only a year and a half — she has been here in Eretz Yisroel.] Yes? [Only a year and a half ago.] Does she have family here? [Yes — she has a husband and children — yes.] Yes? Blessed be Hashem. [Children — she has children — blessed be Hashem.] Nu — why not? [Her grandchildren live here in Har Nof — her grandchildren live here in the neighborhood. She already has grandchildren — blessed be Hashem.] Yes? [Grandchildren and sons.] Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) [Blessed be Hashem.] Does she know how to read the Holy Tongue? Hebrew? [Yes — she knows how to read a little — not — she does not understand everything — blessed be Hashem.] She needs to read the Ma'asiyos. If she — if there is some — some… [We gave her — we gave her this for her.] Yes — yes — yes. "Sipuray Ma'asiyos." (Saba laughs.) There will be stories — such stories — this is all the life-force of the whole world — of all Yisroel. Such stories — there are no such stories! She — she knew in America also of Rabbainu? [Yes — yes.] Yes? [Yes.] How did she know of Rabbainu? From the books? From the books? [From the books — yes.] Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) [She knew most of the Breslov Chassidim in New York — and in Eretz Yisroel she also knows many people.] Yes — nu. I also know all the Breslov Chassidim in America. Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Oy — oy — oy — oy — oy — oy. What there is in the world. Oy. What there is — what there is — such a wonder as has not yet been in the world — like Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. Every word and word that came from his mouth — this is all our hope and all our life-force — and all our salvation — and all our life. Everything. If only the time will come when the whole world draws itself to — and draws close to the holy Rabbainu. And they will give their souls to fulfill every word and word that he revealed in his books. Yes. Because this is all our hope and all our life-force. Yes. But I remember that this was — that this was — in such lowliness. And what I suffered with my family — what we suffered — what… Only this — from the name "Breslov." (Saba laughs.) And blessed be Hashem — I — that I am alive now — I exist in the world. This is beyond nature. It is impossible to understand — what passed over me and I suffered all this. And I — blessed be Hashem — I see — this — one sees in this what is beyond nature. (Saba laughs.) How did she know to come here? Ah? [Chezkelhu.] Chezkelhu? [Yes — Chezki.] Yes? Chezki? [Chezki — yes.] Ho — hazoy. (Saba laughs.) He is also from America. [From Canada — he met her in the bookstore.] Yes. [In Meah Shearim — in the bookstore of Weizengler.] Yes. [He met her.] Yes. [So he told her that there is news.] (Saba laughs.) [There is news.] She knew of the news — yes. We know nothing of the news that is in the world. If we had known — the whole world would already — the whole world… She lives in the… [The Jewish Quarter — yes.] In the Jewish Quarter. [In the Old City.] And the children? [The children — all her children are already grown.] Ah? [They are already grown children — all of them already.] Grandchildren? [Grandchildren — or married — but grown — no longer at home.] Ho — yes — ho. She needs to greatly rejoice and announce also to the sons — that there is Rebbe Nachman of Breslov in the world. (Saba laughs.) Oy — what this is — what this is — what. The main thing — the remedy — what remedies — what salvations — what — what power — what wonder — as has not yet been in the world. This — this is it — this is the complete redemption that we hope for and await all the days of our lives. This is the main thing of Torah — the main thing of everything. He brings Torah into a person — emunah — truth — that this is such wonders as there is not in the world. Like this he told. I am nothing — what — what is there — I — I know — I… He revealed a drop from the sea — concerning the greatness of what he is — that he can help us. We are such sick people as we hold. We need the greatest doctor in the world. And such a doctor — who can heal us — this is only Rabbainu. The holy Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. (Saba laughs.) Ho — ho. The holy Rabbainu said: "Ani nahar hamitahayr mikol haketamim" — "I am a river that purifies from all stains." Such stains as we have — who can clean them? Only… # Tape 7G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/11/ Tape 7G, Side Aleph קסטה 7G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/11 Segment 1 EN: [What is your name?] [Tzvi Yosef.] [Ah?] [Tzvi Yosef — Tzvi Yosef.] Freindt. (not understood) He gave me food to eat. (Saba shouts a strong "Oy.") (Saba laughs.) To me. (not understood) [He is a good young man. His father — he… went through the Shoah.] Ah? [His father is in Poland — in Poland.] From Poland? [He went through the Shoah there.] Yes — ah. [But he was in Russia.] In Russia. [He fled — he escaped to Russia.] Ah — ah. [And his mother also? Ten months — within ten months.] Nu. [Now he knows about Rebbe Nachman — ten months.] Nu. [He — he…] He was in the Shoah. [He did teshuvah.] Yes? [Yes.] Fortunate are we — fortunate are we. (Saba laughs.) [Fortunate are we. I told him — I told him that Rebbe Nachman was in Haifa.] Yes. [He is also from Haifa.] Yes — yes. # Tape 7G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/12/ Tape 7G, Side Bais קסטה 7G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/12 Segment 1 EN: (Saba laughs.) "Tisperu chamishim yom" — "You shall count fifty days." [Saba — they are going before the festival…] Segment 2 EN: I cast everything that I have — I and my sons and my family — everything — so that everything should be according to His will. He casts upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — every day. (Saba laughs.) [Every day — every day is the time — "Hashlaych al Hashem yehavecha" — it is written: "Hashlaych al Hashem yehavecha" — "Hashlaych al Hashem yehavecha."] Yoy — yoy — yoy. [Yes — yes.] He shall cast — he shall cast upon Him. [Yes — yes.] (Saba laughs.) [Chag Sameach — Saba — Chag Sameach.] Chag Sameach — Chag Sameach — Chag Sameach. Thank you very much. Segment 3 EN: …Like this — we cannot find. There are many rabbis — rabbis and students. The Ba'al Shem Tov and his disciples — and the holy Ari HaKadosh had a disciple — Rav Chaim Vital. But such a Rebbe and such a disciple — we cannot find — it is hidden from all the worlds. (Saba laughs.) [A wonder!] This is Nachman — this is Nachman and Nassan. [Nachman and Nassan.] The holy Rabbainu said — when he came to Uman: "Nachman v'Nassan osim tzachok mikol — mikol ha'olam!" — "Nachman and Nassan make laughter from all — from all the world!" (Saba laughs.) [The minimum plural is two.] Such Likutay Halachos — such Likutay Aytzos — every piece of advice — every… Such Likutay Aytzos — there is no — no — no such example in the world. Likutay Moharan — the Sipuray Ma'asiyos — the conversations. This is the matter of the redemption — that… This is revealed — hidden and revealed — hidden completely. Yes. And revealed. He descends to each and every one and teaches him. The holy Rabbainu — in every Torah teaching he teaches — if it is what one needs — it is found in his Torah. And also every single person of Yisroel — what he needs — it is in one Torah teaching. (Saba laughs.) A spring — a… a spring. [This is truly Toras Chesed — he does kindness with each and every one.] Yes — yes. ["Toras chesed tachas leshonah."] Yes — yes. "Toras chesed al leshonah." [To each one he does kindness according to his level.] Yes — yes. [This is "nachal novea makor chochmah" — whoever wants — drinks.] Yoy. Segment 4 EN: …That — that we cannot live and cannot eat. How can we rest and sleep? [Yes.] In sorrow — in such troubles of the people of Yisroel. This… I saw with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). [Yes.] And I also — I — I felt beforehand more than today the troubles. [Yes.] Yes. And I did — if I found someone who wants to draw close to Rabbainu — I gave my soul. I did not look at livelihood — at — at the family. (Saba laughs.) [Only to draw him close.] Only this. There is no greater compassion than this! [This is also the greatest charity.] Also the holy Rabbainu warned us. [Yes.] To print and to print — and to print. [Yes.] And also Rebbe Nassan gave this. [Yes — true.] On the day — on the day of the Tenth of Tevet. [Yes.] When he gave up his soul. [Yes.] Before the departure of the soul. [Yes.] He spoke of this and said: "That they should give all they have — money — effort — work — what — what — everything — for the sake of printing. One page of Rabbainu's books uproots all the evil from the world — all the darkness from the world!" [Uproots all the darkness from the world?] Like this he said. Yes. [But they have already been printed — they have already been printed…] For this reason we must give our souls to bring Rabbainu into the world. [In every way — in every…] This — this — this — this is the reversal. This — he is reversing. "Yesh inyan shenishtapach hakol l'tovah" — "there is a matter that everything turns to good." (Saba laughs.) [That everything turns to good — yes.] What this is — what this is — what we have merited. There were even a few Breslov Chassidim who did not all understand what… [What is the secret?] They understood what Rebbe Nassan — what Rebbe Nassan understood? He — he — he knew from Rabbainu. And this is very awesome. Oy. [But nonetheless — when Rebbe Nassan wanted to run and go and call everyone — yes — after he revealed the Torah.] Yoy. [So Rabbainu said: "Do nothing"?] Yoy — yoy — yoy. That he should not go. [That he should not go. So one sees — one sees here — not to run immediately — not to… Or was this only then?] {This is Rabbainu's matter.} [Now one can already run. So then it was like this. How must we conduct ourselves?] Ah. [So then it was like this — he said to Rebbe Nassan to stop — stand — do nothing.] What is in Likutay Moharan — in Sipuray Ma'asiyos — and the conversations — and Likutay Aytzos. [Yes.] What there is in this. And also every book — "Avi HaNachal." [Yes — true.] How… This is a matter — also a wondrous matter. [Yes.] How did I have a friend — a friend — [with the President] — with — with the President? This is impossible. Can one understand this? [No.] This is not in the way of nature. [True — true — true.] Until today the secretary and the officials. [Yes — yes.] All of them wonder at this. [Yes.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [True.] And the President also printed my letters. [Letters — true — true.] This… [This is truly a wonder.] And from this now came "Avi HaNachal." [Yes — yes — yes.] Yes. [True — and this greatly awakens and strengthens.] This — this is also a very awesome matter. [Yes.] The letters that he printed. [Yes — yes.] This shows that he… [He paid attention to it.] He received a new mind. And he understood this — and he believed in… [True.] And believed — and emunah in Hashem and all the tzaddikim and the holy Rabbainu. Yes. This cries out and rhymes: [Yes.] "Ani Nasi — aval ani ma'amin!" — "I am the President — but I believe!" (Saba laughs.) Yes. [I am the President and I believe in "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel."] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [RaBi — yes — true.] This is a wonder — a wondrous matter. [Yes — yes — true — true. So one sees that now one must indeed run and…] Who could reach — to speak with the President? I entered — and was going everywhere. ["Talmidi hayakar."] The police. [Yes.] The officers. [Yes.] He — I went — I did not ask where they would let me go. [Yes.] Only he stood. [Yes.] And then I did what I did — and entered. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — yes.] Can one understand this? [So this is the power of Rabbainu that opens the doors — the power of Rabbainu opens all the doors.] His wife — his wife cursed me: [Yes.] "What do you want from him?" (Saba laughs.) [Yes.] "How will he be President if he prays every day?" (Saba laughs.) [Oy — {good deed} — compassion — "ki merachaman yenahalem" — one needs…] "Merachaman yenahalem." [Yes — to be a leader one needs compassion.] Whoever has compassion [yes] — upon Yisroel — he is the outstanding tzaddik. Whoever has compassion — he can be a leader! (Saba laughs.) Yes. [Yes — "ki merachaman…"] And this compassionate one — he is only — he is only Moshe Rabbainu. [Ah — ah.] Moshe Rabbainu — where is Moshe Rabbainu — and now. [And now.] Yes — there is "Nachal Novea" — yes. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — ah — also with Moshe Rabbainu.] Yes! [I am hearing — because last time you said this of Rebbe Shimon bar Yochai.] Also Rashb"i. [Rashb"i.] Also Rashb"i — also Moshe Rabbainu — all {the tzaddikim.} (Saba laughs.) [These are the five unique ones of the generations.] Yes — the unique ones of the generations. [The unique ones of the generations.] He was the fifth. [Rabbainu?] Yes. [Fifth from Moshe — Moshe Rabbainu — and after him — the… after him?] Rebbe Shimon — Rashb"i. [Rashb"i.] The holy Ari HaKadosh. [The holy Ari HaKadosh.] Yes. [Yes.] The Ba'al Shem Tov. [The Ba'al Shem Tov.] And Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) [And Rabbainu.] "V'as alit al kulonah" — "Rabos banos asu chayil" [yes] "v'as alit al kulonah" — "and you surpassed them all." (Saba laughs.) [Ah — ah — "v'as alit al kulonah" — so this is Rabbainu?] Yes! [I am hearing.] He revealed of this a drop from the sea. And the Holy One Blessed Be He — merciful and gracious — the Holy One Blessed Be He sent down Rabbainu's soul for our sake. [Yes.] So that there would be no destruction of the world. [Otherwise there would be tohu vavohu — Heaven forfend.] Ah. The Satan came before the Heavenly Court of Justice. [Yes.] He said: "If this soul descends — [yes] — then I have nothing to do. Then — then there is no free choice — none — I will have no control at all — I — I will go!" (Saba laughs.) Nu. He — he had an argument: "Was I created for naught? For what purpose were you created? [Yes.] For — for so that I {may say} what I want. And if — if he descends — [I have no work] — I have no work. [Yes.] It is a pity — I have nothing — I have nothing at all — I cannot." (Saba laughs.) [So what happened?] So they said to him: "This soul must des… [descend — descend to the world — yes] — because without this soul it is [impossible — without him] — and you — if it is bad for you? [Yes.] Find a strategy! This — this — this… Find yourself a strategy!" (Saba laughs.) [Yes — so what did he do?] So he went. [Yes.] He came with an elder — with a single elder — bent over like this. [Yes.] The elder was bent over — yes. (Saba laughs.) [Yes.] And said: "This soul can now descend — I already have a strategy!" [Yes.] To conceal. [To conceal.] Yes — to conceal — to… [Ah — to hide.] To hide. [To hide it.] Yes — yes. "I already have a strategy!" (Saba laughs.) Like this the holy Rabbainu told the story. [Like this?] Yes. [Where does he tell this?] In Sipuray Ma'asiyos. [Yes?] Yes! [No — I did not see it — I did not hear it.] A story… [Where — which story is this?] I do not remember. [The 'Bergir'?] I do not remember — before the 'Bergir.' [Before the 'Bergir' — and who was this — who was the elder — the elder?] The Shpoyler! [Ah — ah.] Yes! He concealed Rabbainu from the world. Yes. [Because of him — on account of the dispute — because of the dispute and everything.] He was due — he — he receives his due. He will suffer what he suffers for this! All the troubles of Yisroel — Hitler — and all the troubles. [Yes.] All — all of it is he — all of it he is responsible for — it is through him. Yes! [The Shpoyler.] He had such a name. (Saba laughs.) And he was what the holy Rabbainu revealed — [yes] — in secret. Zeideh — Zeideh — Zeideh — this is forefather of forefathers — forefather of forefathers of impurity. [Ah — like this?] Yes! The holy Rabbainu wrote about this. [Yes.] Yes — only that it should be among yourselves. The secret should be among yourselves — so as not to increase dispute in Yisroel. Yes. [So this is known among the Anash — like this.] Yes. [Yes — this is known.] This — this — this… [Yes — yes — I am hearing.] And also I had a letter from Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman — from the holy Rabbainu — in his own handwriting. [Yes?] Yes. [There? Which says?] He said: "I will reveal to you a secret." [Yes.] Yes — about — about — about the Zeideh — about the Shpoyler Zeideh. Yes. And it should be kept — a secret. [Yes.] And it should be kept among yourselves — so as not to increase dispute in Yisroel. Yes. [What love of Yisroel he had — so as not to increase dispute.] So he — this was a secret. And now it is already… [Now it is already known and revealed.] Yes — the secret is already revealed. [One may reveal it — he is no longer here.] (Saba laughs.) Yes. [(not understood) — dispute — now it is already — to go to Breslov — in a little while it will be a great honor — great honor.] The whole world. [The whole world will become a 'heart of flesh.'] They want Rabbainu. [Yes — so we must draw close every one who wants — every one who wants — draw him close truly.] Yes! But before this — there was no possibility. [Ah — ah.] Rebbe Nassan lived by a miracle every moment. They wanted to kill him. [Yes — true.] (Saba laughs.) And also the people of Rebbe Nassan. [Yes.] And also… [Still… until now they still pursue Breslov.] Ah? [Until now — Breslov is still a matter that…] Yes — yes — yes — until now. [Pursuing.] But blessed be Hashem. [Much better — it is already much better — yes — certainly — one can live — one can raise one's head.] Now they — they — they are ashamed. [Yes.] Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) Like: "Haman halach avel v'chafuy rosh" — "Haman went mourning and with covered head." [Yes.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [So they also go like this.] Yes. But the evil has not yet stopped. [Yes.] Has not yet stopped completely. When Mashiach comes it will stop completely! (Saba laughs.) [With Hashem's help — speedily — speedily. Then — then there will be the matter that everything turns to good.] The holy Rabbainu was revealed — has revealed. And now. [Yes.] This is very awesome. "And now there is 'Nachal Novea Makor Chochmah.'" [Yes — now it is already now — now.] Ah? [So now it is already now.] Yes — certainly! [Now — today.] Now he is alive and in existence. ["Hayom im b'kolo tishme'u."] Yes. [Every day is the time.] The government's day of the Shoah. [Yes.] It is before Yom HaAtzma'us. [Yes — true.] I think it will be after Rosh Chodesh. [Yes.] After Rosh Chodesh. [Yes.] Before Yom HaAtzma'us. [Yes.] There will be Yom HaShoah. [Yes — like this it is now.] Ah? [Today is Yom HaShoah.] Today? [Today — today is Yom HaShoah.] Yes — ah — ah. [And next week is Yom HaAtzma'us.] Ah — ah — next week. [Yes.] Around Thursday — on Thursday of the month. [Yes — the fifth of Iyar — yes.] The fifth of Iyar. [Yes — so what will be?] Nu — this — only the holy Rabbainu came down into the world. [Yes.] He has already begun the redemption. [Ah — ah.] Yes — certainly! (Saba laughs.) [So we must publicize — publicize Rabbainu's name also among them — in everything — on radio — on…] In all — in all — in all places. [In all places — on radio — on television.] It is written in the Torah — it is written in the Torah — Torah section 67. [Yes.] Part 2: "The more the tzaddik is publicized — [yes] — the more Hashem's Name is magnified and sanctified." [Ah — ah.] Yes. [I am hearing.] Yes. [I am hearing.] But two hundred years ago — [yes] — there were not — there were not all the publicity instruments of — of… Today in one day it is publicized throughout the whole world! (Saba laughs.) [True — true — true — now truly everything exists.] Yes — yes — yes — yes. [Radio — television — all at once one can know everything.] Yes. [Everything.] The whole world. [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) [True — so one must use this.] And when Mashiach comes — the whole world will know that Mashiach has come. (Saba laughs.) [Yes — immediately — instantly they will know.] In a moment. [Certainly.] Instantly — instantly and immediately. [Saba — I know my sins — I mention them today.] And there will fall upon them awe and fear. [Awe and fear.] Upon the non-Jews. [Yes — upon the non-Jews certainly.] Ho — ho. Mashiach is coming. (Saba laughs.) [Also upon Yisroel there will be great joy.] There will be such joy — yes — in every city — in every village — in every place — there will be such rejoicings and dances — "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) [Yes.] This "Na Nach" was sixty years ago — seventy years ago. [Yes.] Before the redemption. [Yes.] Yes — who knows. Then — then it will be a hundred years — what?… [Less — less — less — "hayom im b'kolo tishme'u."] But close. [Today — today.] Ah? ["Hayom im b'kolo tishme'u" — today — why not?] Yoy. [Every day is the time.] When Likutay Moharan came out. [Yes.] Rabbainu said: that this is the beginning of the redemption. Yes — it was not just some ordinary thing that was said. His words are alive and in existence — as if now he is saying this! (Saba laughs.) [Where is it… is this also written?] What? [That the book is the beginning of the redemption?] Yes — in Chayay Moharan. [In Chayay Moharan this is written?] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — ah — wondrous greatly.] Also he said that this is a protection in the home. [Yes — yes — true.] Even if one does not — does not read it. Just that it is there — the book is in the home. [It protects.] Yes. With… there was a young man Blum — from the Blum family. [Yes — yes.] He was in Tzfas. [Yes.] And there was a fire by him. [Yes.] The house burned — everything burned. [Except for the Likutay Moharan.] Three Breslov books. [Yes.] Of Rabbainu. [Yes.] They did not burn. Likutay Moharan — Likutay Tfilos — these were in his apartment. [Yes — yes.] They did not burn. (Saba laughs.) [Blessed be Hashem. So we must simply take all the instruments and all the possibilities.] All kinds of stratagems. [Everything — stratagems.] All kinds of advice — all… To think about this and to do beyond our strength. Not to sleep and not to eat — there is no time! (Saba laughs.) [Like this? Why is this like this? How is this? Why?] Yes. One must have compassion upon Yisroel. This — this is compassion. [Pikuach nefesh.] Yes — certainly. Even one — if he draws close to Rabbainu — this — this — this is such a salvation as is impossible to estimate. The joy of the Holy One Blessed Be He and the joy of the tzaddik. (Saba laughs.) [Ah.] And the joy of all the tzaddikim. [Yes.] Yes. [Even from a single one who draws close.] This is the main thing — it depends on this — Rabbainu! All the redemption depends on the revelation of Rabbainu in the world — Likutay Moharan! (Saba laughs.) And also Mashiach will reveal — Mashiach will reveal. [Ho — ho — ho — that is it. So we think all the time — why do we need to do and act? Mashiach with Hashem's help will come quickly and…] No. [Is that not so?] We must do what… what — what — what… [What we can.] Everything that we can. This is not — the Holy One Blessed Be He says — He does His part — and we must do ours. [I understand.] If we see that murderers want to kill some Yisroel — we must [help him] give our souls to save him. [Yes — true.] Yes. Hi — will the Holy One Blessed Be He help? No — you must save! Yes. [Ah — ah.] Yes. [I am hearing.] Like this — like this — the Torah and the Holy One Blessed Be He want. Yes. It is written in the Torah — if you see a friend — a friend walking with a donkey — [yes] — and he fell — [yes] — with a burden. [Yes — "azov ta'azov imo."] One must… Yes. [Yes.] So one can say — the Holy One Blessed Be He — the Holy One Blessed Be He will save him. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [No — no — like this.] No — no. [No — you must.] We must do our part. [Ah — ah.] Yes. [But we think all the time — the world — the world of falsehood — alma d'shikra — it is so great — so…] One spark comes out from wood and burns all — all the evil — all — all the darkness. [Yes.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Nu — one spark…] This is a miracle such as has not been in the world — a new miracle. (Saba laughs.) [Yes.] Only — only one does like this. [Yes.] This — this is already enough. (Saba laughs.) [I am hearing — what is this spark? What spark? How — how does one make the spark?] The spark? [Yes.] The Holy One Blessed Be He does it — the Holy One Blessed Be He knows what — what to do. (Saba laughs.) [Yes?] Nu — for us — we do not see what Rabbainu — there was such a dispute — they should have had to eras… Heaven forfend — to forget entirely — who was Breslov in the world — without the dispute — without… Yes. [And exactly the opposite.] And the opposite — everything that passes — as more time goes — he becomes more publicized. (Saba laughs.) [Yes — true — "ka'asher ya'anu oso ken yirbeh v'chen yifrots" — "the more they afflicted him — the more he multiplied and spread."] Yes. [But the spark comes from a house — the house of Yosef? No — this is a flame from the house of Yosef — and a tree comes from the house of Yaakov — and a flame from the house of Yosef — so the flame comes out and burns all wickedness.] Oy — certainly — one word. [Ah — ah — a word of Rabbainu.] Segment 5 EN: …Strive to reach him. [Yoy?] Yes. # Tape 8G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/13/ Tape 8G, Side Bais קסטה 8G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/13 Segment 1 EN: …Strive to reach him. [Yoy?] Yes. Segment 2 EN: [This song that we just heard — tells in fact about our next subject. This is the story of a wondrous and unusual petek — that was revealed in Teveria seventy years ago — and there is much to say about those who reveal it — the Breslov Chassidim. We are hosting here three people: Aharon Fetz — Sharon Taltsur — and Rebbe Yisroel Dov Odesser. (not understood) Sharon — what is the special story of this petek? How was it revealed? In what circumstances?] Segment 3 EN: [Sixty-three years ago — to be precise — this petek was found by Rav Odesser. Five days before the petek was found — he had failed in the fast of the Seventeenth of Tammuz. And for five days as a result he fell into depression — because he had been accustomed to fasting from the age of six — Mondays and Thursdays — and the eve of Rosh Chodesh — and this was a public fast — a public fast that everyone must observe — and he had failed in it. So five days he was in depression — until there entered his mind the thought that perhaps the remedy — the remedy would be in his bookcase — which was locked — because Breslov books were then forbidden to be touched by other Chassidim. He entered and opened the case and took a book — opened it — and found the petek inside. And in the petek it is written: "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha talmidi hayakar lehagid lecha ki nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha v'alecha amarti mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen — chazak v'amatz b'avodascha — Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." And after this story there is a secret — and it is: "Melo v'gadish miku l'ku — Pey-Tzadi-Pey-Tzadi-Yud-Hay" — this is a sign that the petek descended from the heavens and was not found just by chance. "V'siman yud-zayin b'Tammuz yomru she'ayncha mis'aneh" — he had not revealed to anyone that he had failed in the fast of the Seventeenth of Tammuz — to no one except the Holy One Blessed Be He. He failed — he did not want to…] Segment 4 EN: [And how is it written in the petek?] [And this is written in the petek — that this petek descended — "v'siman yud-zayin b'Tammuz yomru she'ayncha mis'aneh" — this reveals to us that this petek is an original from Rebbe Nachman — sent from the heavens. "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — "me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — this is of course a matter of faith — and this is the whole matter of the people of Yisroel — this is faith — to examine through faith this matter — because this — all the people of Yisroel — this is…] [Rebbe Yisroel — it is written there "talmidi" — so you were his student — after all you did not know Rebbe Nachman — this was long before your time?] But like this he speaks in his Torah — in his Torah teaching — that his matter is Rebbe and students. [That is all the Chassidim of Breslov…] All the Chassidim — great and small — there are no great ones and no small ones — we are all friends! [What did you do — what did you do with this petek that you found? What did you do with it? What use? What did you use the petek for?] It was set in the bookcase. [And afterwards? When you took it?] And afterwards it was on it — on it — dangers — great dangers. Before the war of Hitler — they asked me from Poland to send them the — they had heard of it — so they asked me to send it to them. [And you sent it.] And I sent it. This was utter madness — this — one does not send such a thing and… Not — not by post — one does not send by post. But I could not refuse such friends. So I sent it. And they — and they returned it to me. And I received it back by post. [And this petek — does it have some power — some special virtue?] The power of strengthening — that it lifts a person from the ultimate descent to the ultimate ascent. For example — here it is written: "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — so Heaven forfend — I need to dig — to dig a grave and bury myself — from the magnitude of the shame. Before the holy Rabbainu — such a thing — if it was hard for him — this is a descent — that… And immediately after such a descent — he — he — he — he revives me. He raises me up: "Talmidi hayakar." [Ah — he elevates.] Segment 5 EN: Yes. [Now we will ask — with your permission — Rebbe Yisroel — we will ask with your permission — Aharon Fetz. But still — such a petek — aside from the fact that it is perhaps already very old — perhaps this paper is special — what is its value in your eyes — the Breslov Chassidim? Does it have some kind of virtue — medicinal?] [In Torah section Eight — Part Two — in Likutay Moharan — Rebbe Nachman says: that in the future he will renew his world with the song 'pashut — kaful — meshulass — meruba' — and he did not say who the song is. And here he reveals the revelation of the redemption. I am the song — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." I am the song. There is an amulet upon me with this name. And we gave this to people — and it made miracles. I am certain and convinced that all the soldiers in the IDF in Lebanon who will say this song — not one of them will be harmed — and so on — all the people of Yisroel — those who are in hospitals — and everyone who has sorrow — even — even if a policeman stopped him on the road — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — this nullifies everything. This — this has proven everything.] Segment 6 EN: [Sharon Taltsur — I am certain with this name. You — were you not {mocking in the streets of} Meah Shearim when you were young?] [Not when I was young — not when I was young.] [No — yes. When you did teshuvah — were you in a kibbutz?] [Yes — I finished the army and…] [Now I am asking you — when you were raised in education — you received all the education you received — humanist — western — modern — are you truly and always convinced — that this petek was truly thrown down from the heavens through Rebbe Nachman?] [Not only am I convinced that this petek descended from the heavens — but I am convinced that this small petek that lies here — will go — will turn the entire world around — to such a degree I am convinced — to such a degree. Why are the people of Yisroel and the whole world in such darkness and such confusion of mind — that the people of Yisroel are searching for a point of light within the darkness? And here we have — a revelation of something that descended from the heavens — and there is no way to return this through any other means. Because we have a tzaddik who explains to us — that he found — and how he found this — and what happened to him — that no one knew that he ate on the Seventeenth of Tammuz during the fast — and only from the heavens they knew. So it seems that this petek — not only is it from the heavens — but it also has a message for the entire people of Yisroel — not only for Breslov Chassidim — or for me — or for him — but this is…] [This is a great waste — in thirty-three years…] [No — no waste — this was preparation — the people of Yisroel went through all the rectifications.] [But why have you not made use of it until now?] [Because the time of revelation is now — according to what Rebbe Yisroel tells us — we… people reached him — and the time has come for it to be revealed in the world. And President Shazar — and Shazar believed in the petek — but he said to him: the time has not yet come. If I reveal the petek — they will remove me from the presidency.] [And now the time has come?] [Yes.] [Now — what are we supposed to do now — particularly now — that we are presenting what Breslov is…] [As a result of the use of this name — people will merit to see miracles. As a result of the miracles — they will run to the books of Rebbe Nachman. The main thing is to engage with the books of Rebbe Nachman — to fulfill his advice.] [I want to understand — that is to say — if — if… you are now presenting before the people of Yisroel the petek — and you believe that now — in the wake of its presentation…] [Yes.] [In the wake of the fact that the people of Yisroel are a people of believers — and that they will accept the petek and accept what is written in it as true and accurate truth — because the people of Yisroel are believers — children of believers.] [And now their entire test is that they will say with simple faith — all the people who are wise in their own eyes — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — and not be so clever — but simple — as Rabbainu asks of a Jew to be.] [Thank you greatly — Rebbe Yisroel — thank you — Sharon and Aharon. In that the presentation of this petek touches upon something of the pains and hardships of the people of Yisroel — that shall be our reward. We return…] # Tape 9G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/14/ Tape 9G, Side Aleph קסטה 9G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/14 Segment 1 EN: Sixty-three years ago. And sixty years it was completely secret. No one knew — not… Only to my children I told the matter. Yes. But… And also there were a few — select individuals — who were holy tzaddikim and friends of mine — I told them. And they accepted it. A wonder — how — how can one accept this? This is beyond — beyond nature. Nu. And they accepted it. The matter was — I must speak — I must tell briefly — in essence. Sixty-two years ago there was such an event. I failed — failed and fell. This was on the day — the Seventeenth of Tammuz. This is a stringent fast — of the four fasts — before the Ninth of Av — for the destruction — the destruction. And I — and I was accustomed to fasting all — all the fasts — Beh"b — Monday — Thursday — Monday — the eve of Rosh Chodesh — {I…} Yes. And also I made a fast every day. From midnight until after the prayer I did not taste even water — as my holy teacher Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) was accustomed to do. And on the day of the Seventeenth of Tammuz — which is a stringent fast — I fell and failed. It seemed to me that I was ill… that I was not feeling well and I was compelled — I was compelled to cancel the fast. In any case — however it would be — I — I am ashamed to tell everything — and I… In any case I failed. A descent — I descended a great descent — and I ate in the morning in such a state. This — and this weighed upon me. And I had great sorrow and I fell into such a sadness — that everyone who looked at me — sadness fell upon him. From the fact that I had not — had not fasted. In any case — and they were all opponents — and said: "This is the end of — of Breslov. In the end one goes mad." They thought that this — that I — who had always been in joy — suddenly the whole week — Sunday — Monday — Tuesday — Wednesday — in any case I had great sorrow — and also not… And I could not serve Hashem. I was — I was in darkness — in great sorrow — from such sadness — truly as if one goes out of one's mind. And they all rejoiced and said: "This is the end of the Breslov Chassidim." So I prayed to Hashem to have mercy on me and take me out of this — that I am causing — I am causing thereby a disgrace — a desecration of Hashem for Breslov. So — so there entered my mind a strong thought — as if someone stands and says words to me: "Enter your room — and there I had a bookcase. Open the bookcase and take out some book — any book at all. Do not intend anything — just put out your hand on a book and take it out and open it — and open it. Yes. Wherever you open — and there you will find a remedy for your soul!" Nu. So I had such a strong thought. So I said: "What — what — what — what do I have to lose? I will enter the room — and I will do this." Nu. I entered the room and opened the bookcase and took out a book and opened it. And there was — oy. Is there — is there something here? Ho — ho — there is something here — yes. This is the photograph — this is a photograph of the Petek. I opened the book — and the piece of paper was inside it. I did not pay attention to the paper. The paper will be my remedy? What will I have (not understood) paper? So I read the Halachah — where I had opened. Perhaps I would find there such words — that would help me. So I read — and this revived me. But when I finished — the illness returned as it had been. So it occurred to me — I thought — Heaven forfend — that there is no — that I have no — no possibility of recovery — no — no — no remedy at all. So before… I wanted to return the book to its place. Before I closed the book — I noticed that there is — that there is something here — that there are lines of writing. I began to read. Only I began to read — I saw that this — that this is a wondrous thing. "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha Talmi…" — immediately — and altogether I cannot tell even if I were able to speak — what I felt. What is in this — and what — what there is in this — it is impossible to reveal — impossible to tell — impossible to speak. But… Good. I began to read — and I read it all — to the very end I read it. As… Immediately when I finished reading — I entered into such a joy — not of this world — only of the World to Come. Such joy — I began to dance and to clap hands — and such nigunim of joy. And they from the yeshiva heard. They knew that I had been in sadness the whole week — and now I — they heard that I am in such joy — dancing. (Saba laughs.) Yes. So they — they said: "Now he is in complete disorder — he is already — there is (not understood) — he is mad." They entered the room and brought me out to the courtyard — and the whole yeshiva made a circle. And I was in the middle — and danced. They all rejoiced and all mocked me: "The madman is dancing." Altogether they stood for several hours — several hours. They said: "He — he is not — he is not tired. We — we (not understood) — we cannot stand." They all went — and I remained — and danced almost the whole night. Good. And from then — from that night — I received a name throughout the entire city of Teveria. I entered from the yeshiva into the city — so everyone said — they knew that the Breslov man — he has already gone mad. And I… And this — this is it — this is the Petek. Nu. I have nothing — no… I tell as it was. And also not everything — only… And this I know. Yes — yes. Much. I showed this in Yerushalayim to great Mekubalim in Yerushalayim — and they — they were astonished. They were so moved by this. In any case — I do not need to bring witnesses. This — it is a witness — it is a witness unto itself. Just to see the signature of Rabbainu with — with — with vowel points — "Na — Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." This is the signature. This signature — the holy Rabbainu in his lifetime he signed his name on his letters as 'Nachman' — 'Nachman.' Here it is written "Na Nach Nachma Nachman" with vowel points — 'MayUman.' This is the world — the whole world knows of Rebbe Nachman of Breslov. Here it is written 'MayUman' — because — because he dwells in Uman. Yes. And also he revealed to me — this — that I did not fast on the Seventeenth of Tammuz. No one — no one knew. Yes. I would cause a desecration of Hashem — they would say the Breslov Chassidim do not fast on the Seventeenth of Tammuz. I — this was secret. Yes. And also it is written here: "Siman yud-zayin b'Tammuz yomru she'ayncha mis'aneh" — a sign that only I — only I and the Holy One Blessed Be He knew of this. This is the sign. And also here 'b'Tammuz' — with vowel points — sheva under the Bais — patach under the Sav — patach — 'b'Tammuz.' Only this… First of all — this signature — this — this is a new revelation in the world. Because the holy Rabbainu speaks in Likutay Moharan — that there is a song 'pashut — kaful — meshulass — meruba' — that will be revealed in the future — through Mashiach Tzidkaynu — that will be revealed in the future. And here he reveals that this song — 'pashut — kaful — meshulass — meruba' — he — he — he is this song. (Saba laughs.) Yes. ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman."] "Na Nach" — ho — ho. Yes — with vowel points. And also I cannot speak of all — all — all — all of this matter. What — what I see in this — "Me'od — me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — 'laredess elecha' — one sees — one sees a descent. All the lines are straight — straight — only this — this is also straight — but 'laredess elecha' — it goes downward. [It goes down.] Yes. Nu — good. "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — if with the holy Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman it was hard to descend to me — 'laredess elecha' — this is a descent — Heaven forfend — this is very awesome. Yes. Nu. And immediately he strengthens me: "Talmidi hayakar" — "Talmidi hayakar." 'Talmidi' alone — is that not enough? "Talmidi hayakar." And it could also have been — without "Talmidi hayakar" — "laredess elecha — lehagid lecha — ki nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha." Yes — not. "Talmidi hayakar" — he strengthens me. He — he — he — he brings me up from beneath — from the depths of the abyss — and raises me to the height of the loftiest heights: "Talmidi hayakar" — "lehagid — lehagid lecha ki — ki nehenaytis — ki nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha v'alecha amarti" — "nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — this is one thing. "V'alecha amarti" — this is another thing. These are two things — "v'alecha amarti." What did I say about you? The holy Rabbainu said in his lifetime a conversation: "The fire of mine will burn until the coming of Mashiach." Like this it is — like this it is written in the book Chayay Moharan. And here he reveals — this I said. What I said — "mein Feiyerel… the fire of mine will burn until the coming of Mashiach" — v'alecha amarti — I said this about you. That through you — the light will illuminate until the coming of Mashiach. 'V'alecha amarti' — this I said! "V'alecha amarti — mein Feyr… the fire of mine will burn until the coming of Mashiach — mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet…" — do you also know Yiddish? "Mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." Nu. "V'alecha amarti" — two things. "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — "v'alecha amarti" — you can strengthen yourself: "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — this is the seal — this is already sealed. He reveals to me two things — "nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — and "v'alecha amarti" — and he seals upon this — it is finished. This — this is the letter. He announces to me two things: "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — "v'alecha amarti — mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen" — "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — I had completely lost all confidence — and he: 'Chazak…' — if so: "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha v'alecha amarti" — you can strengthen yourself: "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — and also the lines — one — two — three — four — five — six — "b'avodascha" — this is also a line — even — and even one — this — this is a line — six. And the holy Rabbainu — the signature — it is on the line — on the [seventh] seventh. This is Shabbos — this is the tzaddik — the aspect of Shabbos. And there is also the secret — afterwards: "U'v'zeh — u'v'zeh agaleh l'cha sod v'hu" — a secret. "Melo v'gadish miku l'ku — Pey-Tzadi-Pey-Tzadi-Yud-Hay" — this — this is the name of the angel of the blowing — of the blowing — of the blowing of the shofar. This — only this word — it is in regular writing — which he wrote. These are Rashi letters — and these are regular letters — as one writes. And one recognizes that this is his handwriting. [Handwriting?] His handwriting — yes. For this reason — Rashi — not — not — not {possible}. But this — this is his handwriting. Yes. Nu. I — I do not understand this — the secret. "U'v'chazuk avodah tvavinayhu" — if I hold fast to the service of Hashem — "tvavinayhu" — and now he tells — he — he tells me the sign — that only I knew of this. All — all… This was secret — each one did not — did not know of this. Yes. He reveals to me the sign of the Seventeenth of Tammuz — this was what it was. Oy — oy — oy — oy — oy. Master of the Universe — Master of the Universe. In any case — the main thing — the words — that we must reveal and publicize and give our souls for this matter — that all the redemption depends on Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman of Breslov — to study his books. He is this… Every letter — every Torah teaching — every — every word of his — is such a light — that he speaks to you — speaks what you need — all the matters that pass over you — that have passed over you — that pass over you — and so for this one — and so for that one — and so for every single one. And so I — and every single one. And every word that Rabbainu revealed — it is the generality of every single person of Yisroel — what passes over him and what has passed over him. His illnesses and his remedies — not only the illnesses — he — he — he — he corrects — purifies and heals all the sick — all — all the worst in the world — those who have no possibility of recovery — none — no tzaddik can help them. But Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman said: "Va'ani rofeh osah" — "and I heal her." This is the end of the story of the 'Seven Beggars.' Do you know the story — the Ma'asiyos? Do you have the Ma'asiyos of Rabbainu? [Yes.] Yes. There is at the end of the story of the 'Seven Beggars' — at the end of this story — the sixth beggar says. The sixth beggar told a story and said: "The princess received all the arrows — with all — with all the poisoned ones. Yes. And she fell into a swoon. Nu. And I…" Like this said the beggar: "Va'ani rofeh osah" — "and I heal her." This applies to all — to all the people of Yisroel — to each and every one. "Va'ani rofeh osah — and I heal her." She {fell} — already fell — received all the arrows and she fell. "Va'ani rofeh osah" — only "va'ani rofeh osah." There is no — none who can heal this. This… But this is the holy Rabbainu — the beggar said: "Va'ani rofeh osah." And the holy Rabbainu revealed about — about himself — that he is this beggar — that he heals her. "Va'ani rofeh osah" (Saba draws out the word "and I") — he said about himself. [I — I.] Yes. 'Ani.' Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. We are rectified. We already have all the rectifications and remedies and salvations that each and every one needs — through Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. Only Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman — he is the root of Torah — he is the root of emunah — he is the root of every single person of Yisroel. However he is found — in whatever place he has descended — in whatever place he is — he — he takes him out — he heals him. Yes. What — what is impossible to heal — such a sick one — who has none — none — none — no remedy for such an illness — but Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman — he revealed — that he indeed can heal and rectify everything. Yes — yes. There are wondrous hidden matters in this. But — but it has not been revealed in the world. Because I remember — seventy years ago — when I drew close to Rabbainu — there was a prohibition to study Breslov books. There was a prohibition to study Breslov books. I found a Breslov book and did not know it was Breslov — and I was reading it. So they saw: "What are you doing? You are studying this book?" Yes. So this was the first time I heard that there is Breslov in the world. I had not heard… Not — I did not know there was Breslov in the world. So I knew that there was Breslov: "Do you not know this is a Breslov book? It is forbidden to read it." Blessed be Hashem — today one can read in every synagogue. Yes. Every one who wants to learn — this — this is signs — signs of the redemption — signs that we stand — that according to our prayers — according to our deeds — we already have none — none — none — no rectification for such sick people. But Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman has already been in the world — and he — he can rectify all the illnesses and all — there is no place — that he cannot rectify and heal. Yes. So — so when we hear this — then we must give our souls to set within our hearts his holy words — his Torah teachings and prayers and halachos. There is the book Likutay… the book Likutay Halachos. Do you know of this? [Halachos and there are prayers — advice.] And also Likutay Aytzos. Yes — yes — yes. All of us — we must. [Rebbe Nassan wrote it.] Yes — yes. We must be expert in the book Likutay Moharan. The holy Rabbainu said — that one must be expert in this — that one can say it by heart forwards and backwards. Even backwards. Yes. Such expertise is needed for this — because this is all our life-force. Every word is all our life-force — every word of his — even one word. And the holy Rabbainu revealed that he is hinted at in a verse. There is a verse in Tanach: "N'chal N'ovea M'kor Ch'ochmah" — and its initial letters spell "Nachman." And he is hinted at in this verse: "Nachal Novea Makor Chochmah." He flows and flows — and flows — a source of wisdom — such wisdom as has not yet been in the world. We have Torah and all the books of all the tzaddikim — and this is the root of all Torah. This surpasses everything. Through this we can draw close to Torah — to know — to see the light of Torah. In Torah there is — there is much power — there is an elixir of life — and its opposite. Yes. And through the holy Rabbainu — one merits to see the light of Torah as one should. Because there are — there are very hidden matters in this. But now we see that the whole world — even non-Jews — the wise men of the non-Jews — {in the university} — at the university — they wonder greatly at Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman of Breslov. Even non-Jews. I spoke with several people who know of this — from London and from England and… They always speak of Rebbe Nachman of Breslov — of the Ma'asiyos — of — of his words. Yes. And one sees that the whole world are drawing themselves to Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman of Breslov. One sees… There were many tzaddikim in the world — the holy Ba'al Shem and his disciples and… There were many disciples — they do not speak of any one of them… Only there remains for us as if there is a singular one in the world — Rebbe Nachman of Breslov. And so we — the main thing is to extract from this — that we must give our souls to be expert in his holy words. Then we will merit to… But with emunah — one can learn and not know — be as if there was nothing at all — if — if — if for the sake of pride — "I am Breslov" — for the sake of — for the sake of — for the sake of — only for the sake of pride that I am expert in Likutay Moharan — this… The main thing is to learn so that we know how to fight — the strategies of war — how to fight and conquer — to subdue the evil. Yes. Oy — nu. May the Holy One Blessed Be He have mercy upon us. And we need great compassion. And this — we — I and my friends — have seen many signs from this holy Name: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." In America there was such an event. A secular man — he heard from various people — they were in the same place together. And he heard… We — in recent times — we made amulets from this holy Name "Na Nach Nachma Nachman" — and this is effective for a person for all the salvations he needs. This — this is a protection — like an amulet. Yes. He heard this and he heard — in a time of trouble — in a moment when a person suffers some trouble — to say with the mouth — in addition to the amulet — to say with the mouth: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." Nu — so. He — he heard this — and he is secular — he knows nothing — does not know Torah — {what is} faith — he went with another one in a taxi. And it was on that day such cold in America — and such snow. And his car broke down completely — without any… He needs a garage — he needs treatment. Yes. Medical treatment — it is impossible to… And the cold was so fierce — one could literally die — perish — from the cold. And he — he… Segment 2 EN: …A story — of a baby girl one and a half years old. A boiling kettle of water fell upon her — from the fire — and fell upon her — upon her face. Nu. They took her to Beilinson Hospital. And the doctors saw her — and they had great sorrow. How is she… She is in great danger. And even if she comes out of the danger — what kind of face — not — not k… And her parents saw the trouble — but they did not — did not know anything. They had some — some relative who had the amulet. She went to visit her. And she placed her amulet upon — upon the sick one. Yes. Upon the baby girl. And two days passed — and she was healed — and the burn was gone — as if she had just now been born anew. She has a father and a mother — they all know — the family — and the doctors also. The doctor who treated her — so he — he went mad. He said to them: "What did you do? What — what — what happened?" They told him — this is the amulet. She — she gave him the amulet. He took the amulet — and until today he does not want to return the amulet. [He wants to sing a little.] Ah? [He wants to sing.] Who — who is this? [This is Yisroel Dagan.] Ah… # Tape 10G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/15/ Tape 10G, Side Aleph קסטה 10G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/15 Segment 1 EN: Hands — this is {faith} — this — this — one needs short sleeves. So fear fell upon them. They covered their heads and also their hands with — with — with towels. [For Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Ah? [Whom do you mean? Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Yoy. They — they — they are not from Teveria. They are from the moshav — like me. And the householder — after the prayer — he came in to us. He had prepared — we were here in the room — and there was another room with a table and chairs. And he had prepared a great table with all the good things in the world — and eggs — cheese — cream. [All the good things in the world.] The farmer… a farmer has everything good — there was hunger — but they had everything good. And there were olives — olives and eggs and all kinds of foods in the world were on the table. And he entered to us and said to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — with submission — as one who stands before the king: "I beg of you to eat." Good. We entered — and there were all kinds — all kinds of foods in the world — a table. So he said to him — so he said to him: "He does not want — he does not — he needs only tea and bread." Yes. So we said to him: is it kosher? Well… this — you can check it is kosher. And the eggs are kosher — and everything — and the milk is kosher — and it is not goyish — and everything is kosher. So he said to him: "No — no — no — I do not — I do not need more." Yes. And the children — the daughters — the daughters went — it was a fine Purim — they went with — with towels — covering — to cover the head and the hands. It was a fine thing to see. (Saba laughs.) (not understood — a friend speaks with Saba in Yiddish and Saba answers him in Yiddish.) [He found a book of Tikkun HaKlali — he found a book of Tikkun HaKlali.] Ah? (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish.) Ternopol — from the city of Ternopol. In Galicia there is the city of Ternopol. And he was born in that city. And his father was… (not understood — spoken in Yiddish.) Yoy — yoy. And his father did not want him to be Breslov. Yes. And he had such grace — a king of grace. And speech with a good heart. And all the good character traits — all kinds of holy grace — was — was with him. And he engaged in hisbodedus before the Holy One Blessed Be He — even before he became a Breslov Chassid. Yes. He told me: his father was a great merchant — a wholesaler. Do you — do you understand what I am saying? Der groyser Sokher. Yoy. (Saba laughs.) Are you hearing? I saw with my own eyes what it is impossible to des… what is impossible — and I am not exaggerating. On the contrary — everything I tell is not even a drop from the sea. It is impossible to explain. This is a spiritual matter. This — this — such truth as it is impossible to explain. Oy voy. (Saba laughs.) [America.] America? In America is there such a thing? (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy voy — oy voy — oy — oy voy. Before this — before the prayer — before this there was — there was… We set out from Yavne'el — the moshav near Teveria. He — and we walked and it was winter. We began to walk after midday — in some moshav — and we walked who knows how far. Yes. And the air was very good. And there was no rain — and not… There was rain — but when we were walking it was sunny and… And suddenly a flood descended — a flood. There was a cloudburst — a cloudburst — and water poured down. A deluge. And it became night — and it became night — and such darkness — one cannot see where to walk — whether here or here. What — we were in the mud. (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish.) [Hebrew — Hebrew.] Nothing like this had ever happened to me before. Because here — seventy years ago there were Turks here — and there were dangers. Arabs were here — they were pursuing and robbing. (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish.) [Hebrew.] (Saba continues in Yiddish.) [Hebrew.] (Saba continues in Yiddish.) [Hebrew — Hebrew.] Ah? [Hebrew — Hebrew.] Hebrew. [Chezky wants to understand.] The mud was like [glue] — like glue — like your glue. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And already we wanted… We pulled out one leg — it was a miracle — it was a wonder — how is it possible to pull out? Like this — we pulled out a leg — and we entered. In any case — and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — of blessed memory — became ill. He received — he — he received a stomach ailment — a stomach illness and… Nu. In any case — for the first time in my life — in my life — we were in a wilderness — in darkness — in a deluge. And one does not know where — how — how — how — where to walk and how one comes out of the mud — darkness. (Saba laughs.) It is impossible to describe everything — but what is possible… (Saba laughs.) In any case — in short — we made effort — with mesiras nefesh — to reach some place — some place. Because we could die here from the cold. [And was it hard for you to pull the leg out of the mud and put it back into the mud?] [Very hard to descend.] [The leg did not want to come out of the mud — the leg sank — it did not want to come out of the mud.] In any case — the Holy One Blessed Be He had compassion upon us. He… And we had already walked a long time in the mud. And we had no hope — we saw no hope — how would we merit to reach a settlement? We are in darkness — we do not know where to walk — whether here — or here — or here — we do not know where to… (Saba laughs.) In any case — both of us strengthened ourselves — and like this we reached — suddenly I saw from afar some candle. There was no electricity then — only kerosene lamps. But through the curtains — the windows — I saw — I saw that — there is light in the house. So {I dreamed} that this is a settlement. But how does one reach there? In any case — the Holy One Blessed Be He {have mercy} — we already reached the house. And the farmer saw our mud and the mo… Yes. So he brought us — brought us into a room. And we walked to the room — the whole room became mud like water. (Saba laughs.) So we said to him: "We need a bit of tea to warm the stomach — to warm the leg." So he said: "I have a stove — in the stove there is — there is a large kettle. We will give you tea as much as you want." (Saba laughs.) By the grace of Hashem — we have tea — we have a room already — we are on dry land — we are in the room. He prayed — we prayed the Arvis — as if nothing had happened — as if there was no mud — there was none… Yes. He is renewed — makes new things — he becomes new. (Saba laughs.) But I felt — now I am so exhausted — I am such a weak man — and my whole body aches — all the limbs. Let them just give me to lie down for three… some days — just to lie down — let them not give me anything — I want only to lie down. (Saba laughs.) And he — we ate — we ate something at night. But I wanted to see the bed — I do not want — not to eat — not to drink — I want only a bed. Yes. And Rebbe Yisroel — and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — before — before he went to sleep on the bed — he had some — some words to speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Is this how one gives up one's soul? One must confess and speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He — the soul needs — needs to depart. So he — I asked him: "I want to lie down." So he gave me — I had my bed. And I lay down like — like a dead man. Oy — oy. And he performed — (not understood) the viduy and the Kriyyas Shema and… Yes. As if nothing had happened. The Kriyyas Shema was with such mesiras nefesh: "Shema Yisroel…" "V'ahavta…" (Saba laughs.) Nu. So I thought: "This night — this night it is impossible to rise at Chatzos. After such a flood — and after… [mud] — how is it possible to rise at midnight?" So I thought: "This night there is no Chatzos." Yes. (Saba laughs.) But he was a warrior — a lion. He rose at midnight. Yes. Like — like one whose house is on fire — who is burning — there is a fire in his house and one must rescue and one must… Yes. He — he rose with such might — after — I could not feel any limb — my whole body was aching. Ah — such a Chatzos — {loving} the Holy One Blessed Be He. Oy. I heard the Chatzos that he said with such awakening — without the… Nu. I was already lying in bed as one lies on sukkahs — on… [on… [thorns] — on thorns — on thorns. How is it possible? When one hears such a Chatzos — how do you want to sleep? How do you lie there? (Saba laughs.) After he said Chatzos — and I heard his Chatzos — I said: "What is this? What is this with me? Until when will you lie? Until when are you to lie?" Nu. I overcame myself and rose. He had not told me to rise — he understood that I — that it is impossible — impossible. But he was an entirely different matter. He makes new things. He was close to the holy Rabbainu — and the holy Rabbainu makes new things — made newness. Nu. I rose and went. He was sitting at a table — and there was a lamp of oil — of oil — a lamp — a lamp of — of… [an eternal lamp] — of fat — of kerosene. And he sat at the table with the Zohar — with the holy Zohar. And I saw his face — his face was red as fire — and there was fear to look upon his face. And the table and the floor were shaking — trembling. And he was trembling. And the table and the floor were also trembling from his trembling. Afterwards came the time of prayer — and he prepared himself for prayer. And after such a Chatzos — he prayed in such a way — that the whole moshav could not — not… Each person has his work — a farmer. All of them were around our building — from his voice — from his prayers — from Shacharis prayer. In short — I saw that I cannot be in the room — I could perish. And there was fear — there was — great awe and fear fell upon me. Yes — yes. So I drew near to the door and held onto the door. In the moment that I would have no possibility of being in the house — I would manage to go outside. (not understood) [to escape] — to go out of the room. (Saba laughs.) And this — I am not lying — I am not exaggerating — I am not — I… Not yet — not yet possible to explain how — how this was. Yes. Because we can think: "They are telling a story — so they speak about it…" Yes. No. Once in my life I saw a new Purim — Purim. How they lay — yes — with the towels on the head and on the hands — and fear — and fear and awe and fear. (Saba laughs.) [They were afraid of Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] Ah? [They were afraid of him.] Oy. (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner learned by Rebbe Moshe Breslaver — correct?] Ah? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner learned by Rebbe Moshe Breslaver?] Yes! [The student of Rebbe Nassan.] But he was a friend with everyone. [Yes — but he learned from him about Rabbainu's matters. The student of Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Moshe Breslaver.] Yes. He held the yahrtzeit of him — of Rebbe Moshe Breslaver — the day of memorial — like a father. He fasted on that day and studied Mishnayos — and a constant lamp of olive oil — like after a father. [Rebbe Moshe Breslaver — was he the best student of Rebbe Nassan?] Yes — certainly! (Saba laughs.) About him said Rebbe Nassan — they told of a certain gaon that he knows by heart five hundred pages by heart. So everyone was very impressed: "How a… this is a great wonder." So they were sitting together. So Rebbe Nassan said to them: "My Moisheleh — the student Moshe — Moshe (Breslaver) — my Moisheleh can say — can say five hundred times 'Ribono shel Olam.'" (Saba laughs.) I saw this. I have — I have a feebleness of mind — how do I appear in this world — and how — how am I… When I saw such a thing — and then the world was not like today. Then the world was very expert in emunah — in prayer — and yiras Shamayim and Chassidus. Yes — not like today. But I saw the service of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). So everything became nullified before me — all the great ones of Teveria who pursued me afterwards. [The sons of — the sons of Moshe — Rav Moshe — what was he called — Litvak — Rebbe Yisroel?] Rav Tzvi… Segment 3 EN: …Wondrous things come about. And this is effective for… If — if a rectification is made in a person — if the person rectifies himself — then other things come about — away from money and desires. And one goes out from desires and from transgressions — and enters. This is the root of all creation. When one says only this Name — in this is included all of the Torah and all of creation and all human beings — and only in this: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." This — I did not know — sixty years I did not know of this. And after sixty years the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged things and illuminated me: what do you not know? "Na Nach" — do you know what "Na Nach" is? Segment 4 EN: On Purim — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — of blessed memory — he began to drink in the house and danced in the house. And I saw that every moment that passed — more — he departs from this world to another world. [To the World to Come.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) In any case — he reached — he began to walk from the house — from the door to the street — to announce — to announce that it is Purim — that it is "lehodi'a — lehodi'a — lehodi'a — lehodi'a." I walked with him. And he went through all — all the streets — to the place of Slonim. And the Slonim Chassidim — they mock — they mock Breslov. So from there — from there he went and entered the house. And everyone was sitting and drinking wine and had become drunk. Yes. And he entered as into his own house — and danced. So there said to me — there was one elder — Rav Liishka — Rav Liishka. [Bar Kohas?] Rav… No — Rav Kohas — he was Karlin. He shouted at me: "You want to — you want to make me deaf? I am already deaf — what do you want from me?" (Saba laughs.) [Yes — what did Rav Liishka say?] Rav Liishka then said to me: "Do you understand his dances? Of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)? Do you understand what this is? These are wondrous dances — very wondrous." Yes — like this he said to me. The head — the head of the opponents — their head. Yes. He was nullified — because he saw the dances of Rebbe Yisroel. He entered among opponents — among — among scorpions. Serpents and scorpions. And he made of them nothing and naught. (Saba laughs.) Nu — who saw such a thing? How did he have such might — to enter into — into the very core [of the Adversary's power] — yes — and to say to him and to show him: "Come — come — come — come — come — I am not afraid of you." [Rebbe Yisroel — you also did the same thing.] Ah? [You also did the same thing.] Ah? [You went to weddings and danced for them the whole night.] No. Whoever sees his dancing is completely nullified. But after he passed away — I went. There was a time that Purim was on Friday night and I had nothing for Shabbos. But my entire wealth was — I had in my pocket — I had a half-lira. A half-lira — so that half-lira was — this is enough without Shabbos. [Great wealth.] Yes — a half-lira. But this was the whole Shabbos — a half-lira was in the pocket. I said: "I want wine." They said: "There is none — there is no wine — it is already finished." So I said: "What? No wine? Take this half-lira and buy wine." I {will pay them}. So they took from me the half-lira. And I thought: "What — what — what have I done? What will be? Tomorrow I will have nothing for Shabbos — why did I give the…" (Saba laughs.) Everyone laughed — how I took out the check — the half-lira. "Go — buy wine." [But did you drink of it? Did you at least drink wine from it?] Ah? [Did you drink?] What? [Did you at least drink from that wine?] No — they did not buy. Not — not. They bought. They understood that I am drunk — I took out a half-lira. They were afraid that this is my entire Shabbos — this half-lira. So they did not buy. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — so they returned it to you?] Yes — yes. [Ah — I understand.] Segment 5 EN: [I only don't know — I want to know one thing — Rebbe Yisroel — no — you are not alright.] We can send millions. (Saba laughs.) [No — you — if you want millions — just take a private plane. It is not the honor to travel just like that — one needs a private plane — there will be a bed for you — on the plane a bed — you can sleep when you tire — with food — everything. A plane "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" landed in {Dushanbe} — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" landed in Tokyo — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" landed in China.] [And if we are in London?] [In China — in China — there they study Sipuray Ma'asiyos.] Yes? [They will have all the…] [They are researching the Sipuray…] [Yes — yes — we will research them ourselves already.] And also at our university — every morning they research the Sipuray Ma'asiyos. [Yes — it was also on television.] Yes? [Yes — there were three researchers.] [Not on television — on radio.] [On radio — on radio.] On radio. [In Australia — you need to be there too.] Australia? [Yes.] Are there rich people there? Is there? (Saba laughs.) [Yes — but you would do best to go to South Africa — Rebbe Yisroel.] In South Africa — are there rich people? [You and the Blacks…] Only if there are rich people. [No…] [Saba — Saba — you did not eat the chicken — eat — Saba — here is a piece of bread.] [The Jews want to flee from South Africa — the Jews.] What is this? What is this? I do not want. [You don't want a taste?] [In South Africa there are the best diamonds in the world — the richest.] Yes? [Now the Jews want to flee from there.] Why? [The Blacks started going mad.] Ah? [The Blacks want independence — they started making wars.] Yes? [Yes — in South Africa the most money — go to South Africa — not to Mexico.] No. [Saba — the North Pole you also need to reach — to the North Pole.] [No — there are no people there — what are you talking about.] Every time I come to America — the newspapers write: "An old man has come from the Land of Yisroel — and he wants to meet with Reagan." [Nu — what will happen? I — I wonder at you — Rebbe Yisroel.] Nu. [When you wanted to meet with Begin — you told me: "I will enter to Begin" — you entered. What about Reagan? You said "Reagan — Reagan" — and you do not manage to enter — do something.] He passed the year [Who?] until he received a skin disease — Begin — Begin. [No — now it is worse — now it is worse. From the skin disease it entered his brain — he has lost his mind now.] Yes? [Yes — Gideon said.] Ah. [He no longer knows what is happening to him — the babbling one.] Ah. [He has become the babbling one.] (not understood) He knows everything. [Yes — certainly.] He knows what defeat he had. [This is a nevailah and this is a treifah.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) He was by me in Yerushalayim — when I was in Yerushalayim. And I was by Yehonasan and… Yes. So the head of the rabbis came to me. [From Marseille — from France.] From Paris — from France. Yes. [A friend of Morris — yes.] The head of the rabbis. [A friend of Morris.] Yes. He — I told him — I told him about Begin. [Yes.] He promised and… So I — I need to meet — I will tell him — so he went. From me he went to Begin. He went to Begin. They told him he is busy — he — he is occupied today — it is impossible for him… So he said to me: "(not understood) — this is not nice from a Prime Minister — he promised and does nothing?" (Saba laughs.) Yes. [Don't worry — there is Doctor Mister Klak now.] So he said to him: "(not understood) — we — we do everything…" [We do everything…] For donations. [To take the people of Yisroel to…] (Saba laughs.) # Tape 10G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/16/ Tape 10G, Side Bais קסטה 10G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/16 Segment 1 EN: (Saba laughs.) [They do everything for the chair — to remain close to power.] Segment 2 EN: [Saba — do you remember Yitzchak Eizik? They said that you are a great rich man — a great rich man.] This Yitzchak Eizik — everyone who saw me walking — I am walking with — with this tourist — with such a suitcase — and he walked like an English lord. I walked with him in the market — and we came to print. [They said that now you will have two bakeries — not one bakery.] Everyone said: "Ho — Yisroel Ber — Yisroel Ber no longer has worries of livelihood." [He will now have a new bakery.] Yes. [He will have a new bakery.] He found such a tourist — and he is so rich — he is already — and he is with him together always — so {what worries of livelihood}. (Saba laughs.) Oy. Segment 3 EN: And this tourist ate by me on Shabbos — and we made dances and joy. Yes. And he danced with me. And my son-in-law Shmuel was also there. He saw how the Dutch young man eats by me. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [I heard that he took revenge with this — he took revenge against the evil inclination — he took the most beautiful — the beauty of Yerushalayim.] Yes. [The most beautiful.] The most beautiful. I will show you what beauty is — I will show you. (Saba laughs.) He said to him: "Beauty — there is full of beauties. (not understood) — have you not seen him? Who saw him?" [Alon saw him.] Alon — Alon. [He was here — he was here — he was here.] Yes — and also Sharon? [I saw him.] Segment 4 EN: You were there when he was there. [Is his wife still alive?] He is to this day happy that he merited to draw close to Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) He remembers well. I was by him — in {northern} Tel Aviv — in his apartment — every night until midnight — until the last bus. We left the house. [Where were you living?] {At HaGeulah}. [Were you living in Tel Aviv or in Yerushalayim?] Yes — in Tel Aviv. In Tel Aviv I had four — four buses to travel. [Simple — double — triple — quadruple.] (Saba laughs.) [Saba — and did you not have…] And I did not have money for expenses. I said: "If I mention money to him — he will think that I — that I am doing business with him." (Saba laughs.) It is forbidden to mention money {with them}. (Saba laughs.) [It was near — at Dizengoff.] I conducted myself with him with wisdom. [At Dizengoff.] I did not say to him that I need money. (Saba laughs.) [Where did he live?] At Dizengoff. [At Dizengoff?] Yes. Ho — ho. [In what year was this? In what year?] 5711. [Before Shazar?] Ah? What? You were not yet born. [1951 — when you shouted there "Na Nach".] 5711. [You shouted "Na Nach" there — you woke up all Dizengoff. Were there people at Dizengoff at that time? Were there people there?] Oy — I walked with him in Tel Aviv — on Allenby — and in the finest restaurants. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And I looked at myself as a madman. [Why did you go strolling with him?] What are you doing? What is this with you? [Did you go into a restaurant?] What? Are you mad? [Did you go into a restaurant?] You enter — you enter into such a gehinnom? [Did you go into a restaurant?] Until midnight. [Did you go into a restaurant?] This is madness. [Did you go in with him to a restaurant?] Yes! [Did you eat?] I did not eat. But he — he ate. [Ah — he ate — and you?] He wanted me to eat. I said to him: "I do not eat in a restaurant — enough. (Saba laughs.) It is expensive — I am a miser — I am not." (Saba laughs.) [What? He did not tell you that he would pay for you?] But he danced with me on Shabbos night — he danced with me. My son-in-law Shmuel was there — was in the house. He was nullified — what is this? He — he found a Dutch young man and he. (Saba laughs.) [Gideon told me that you climbed up onto his roof and shouted shouts over all of Tel Aviv — you woke up all of Tel Aviv from sleep.] I do not remember. [You woke up all of Tel Aviv from sleep.] He had the name of "the English lord" in Yerushalayim. And in Tel Aviv — among my family — he had the name "the Dutch young man." (Saba laughs.) [He ate only in restaurants — what is this — he has no food at home?] He was a guest with me by Chava — by Hotel Shafer. Yes. (Saba laughs.) I had a Likutay Tfilos — I gave it to him — and I remained without the Likutay Tfilos. I gave it to him. Segment 5 EN: [Saba — what about the clock? The clock — the big clock?] Ho. I was not feeling well — and I wanted to rise at midnight. What would be the purpose of me? So I went in Teveria — I went to the market — there was a clock there. So I heard that somehow… There is a clock that wakes one up well. So — so this is good for me. But I have no money — what — what — what? Nu. But first of all I entered to see the clock. (Saba laughs.) I need this. So I entered and was startled — such a clock that wakes one up every five minutes — with such sounds — this… Yes. So I said: "I need this clock." So I said in the shop: "I need this clock — but I will pay you — now I have no money — I will pay you." He — he — but he believed me. He understood that I would not steal the clock from him. So: "Take — take the clock." [Did you pay him?] No — on account — on the account. (Saba laughs.) The point is — I came home in great joy — I have such a clock that will wake me up at midnight. (Saba laughs.) The time came — the time of midnight arrived. And the clock was — was waking — and the more it woke me the more I wanted — I wanted to sleep more. So I did not rise — I did not rise. I said: "(not understood) — you have such a clock — and you do not rise at midnight? What is this with you? What will be of you?" (Saba laughs.) So I said: "No — the clock is not enough. I will buy two tin drums — two tin drums of kerosene — and I will stand — and I will put the clock on the drums — until there is such a sound." (Saba laughs.) [Bigger.] So I bought two drums — I put the clock on the drums. And every time it — it makes more — I wanted to sleep and hear nothing. (Saba laughs.) The desire for sleep was so great. (Saba laughs.) {This is Breslov? — Cruel one like me.} (Saba laughs.) Like this — like this… Segment 6 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel?] Ah? [How was it with the first car that came to Teveria?] Ah? [You told me that everyone was frightened — they saw an automobile?] They said: "A bus came from England — such a bus — that runs at such speed over mountains and hills — it runs." (Saba laughs.) So the whole city came to see this wonder. So they saw that he came down the steps — from the hotel — and entered. [The driver?] Yes — the householder — the owner — the vehicle owner. And he started — he started [to ignite it] — to activate it — to drive. So they heard that it is beginning to move. So everyone was frightened: "It will go — it will go — it goes everywhere. [Yes.] And it has no eyes — what will be?" And such a flight broke out — each one ran — whoever did not go — did not go. (Saba laughs.) [Not a single person remained in Teveria — all of Teveria fled. It has no eyes — all of Teveria fled.] I was also there — inside the city. [Yes.] {When we thought} to see the wonder of the vehicle — only when it began to hum — then — then they said: "Now it is already going — how — what? What?" (Saba laughs.) [It will run us over — everyone ran?] Yes — nu — nu — there was such a flight. And also I saw for the first time a madman — an English madman. I was going to yeshiva. Below there was a restaurant of the hot springs of Teveria — a restaurant. And there was the office of the English when they came — conquered Teveria — their office was there. [Ah — they conquered the Turks.] Ah? [At the time they conquered the Turks?] Yes — yes. [Yes.] So I am going to yeshiva — and I see in the office that one English madman is holding some — some piece — a piece of iron by his ear. He is speaking — he is laughing. What is this? He is mad? To whom is he speaking? He is laughing and speaking like — (Saba laughs.) I said: "He — he is such a madman." (Saba laughs.) I had heard that there is a telegram — but a telephone — I had not heard that there is such a thing. So he — he holds a piece of iron and speaks to it and laughs. What is this? What kind of madman is this? To whom is he speaking? There is no one. (Saba laughs.) [Like a Breslover — to whom is he speaking? With whom is this madman speaking?] Once a relative came from Paris — from France — from Paris. [Yes — yes.] And there were Turks — we had the Turks. So the relative — she tells my mother: "With us in Paris there is — there is a refrigerator that makes ice and one does not need to buy." (Saba laughs.) I know — I went to buy ice — there was a great factory with many workers. How is it possible? I asked them — how. (Saba laughs.) The ice factory is large with workers and a small refrigerator — how did he look at this? So she said to me: "Do not wonder — in my house there is such a refrigerator — I have such a refrigerator in my own home." Yes. (Saba laughs.) I did not want to believe such a thing. Segment 7 EN: [Good — if they had told you — if they had told you in the time of the Turks that there would be a state with planes — with tanks — you would have said: what madmen — are you normal? If they had told you then that there would be a state with tanks and planes — you would have said: have you fallen from the moon? Return to the moon — what are you talking about?] If they had told me seventy years ago that Breslov would survive after seventy years — I would have said: "They are mad — they do not know what they are saying — how can such a thing be? There was fear to touch a Breslov book." (Saba laughs.) [Not just the book — the table — the table.] The table. There were great stringent ones who did not want to touch — not — not — only not to touch the book. Even the table upon which the book {rested} — they did not want to touch. (Saba laughs.) This was — he was a great stringent one. (Saba laughs.) Nu. And now — before — before the computer. (Saba laughs.) Nu. I said: "Good — this is all the redemption. But how will the redemption come? They do not want to touch a Breslov book — how will the redemption be? What will be? What will be?" (Saba laughs.) So now I am alive and I see that everyone is ashamed. Breslov — all the time — {a flood of} time — more and more important and more… It goes and grows. [What? It is only beginning.] (Saba laughs.) They print and buy. Yes. [This is fashionable — Saba — this is fashionable today. Breslov — only Breslov — this is a new fashion.] I had it hard: "Master of the Universe — when — how will the redemption come? They do not want to touch the books of Breslov — and not… And it is impossible to obtain — and they do not print — and not… How will the redemption come?" (Saba laughs.) And Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) had an excellent place — it was Meron — he had paradise there — paradise. Nu. He abandoned Meron and abandoned Tzfas and abandoned the family. There is one thing — Yisroel Ber — in Teveria there is one whose name is Yisroel Ber. Yes — there is his place now. (Saba laughs.) And I said to him — the first night that he bought the bread and ate by us. I said to him: "This is from the heavens — they sent you to me. I am going through wars — difficult wars. I need someone to guide me. I am warning you — I am asking you: do not leave me!" (Saba laughs.) What is this? Is this sweet? [No.] Not sweet? [This is end of season.] Oy — oy — oy. I want to eat. [Only to eat?] Afterwards to sleep. (Saba laughs.) [Only to sleep?] Yes. And the clock I no longer have — the clock is gone. (Saba laughs.) But I heard that at the kibbutz of… [of Sharon] of Sharon — there is a better clock than mine. (Saba laughs.) [I do not understand anything — how will one make human beings from all the animals? I do not understand.] Segment 8 EN: Yes. As it was hard for me — as it was hard for me: "What — what — what? How will the redemption come? Then there are no books to buy — even if there is some book — they are afraid — not — not to touch — perhaps he will be suspected of inclining toward Breslov. How will the redemption come? What?" Yes. (Saba laughs.) But I did not despair. I had great yearning. And like — like my heart says to me: "No — no — the time will come." [Certainly.] Certainly. (Saba laughs.) Segment 9 EN: And now we are sitting in Bnei Brak — in a sukkah — and we are speaking such words — that this is a sweetening for the whole world — for all of Bnei Brak — for all of Yerushalayim — for all the Land of Yisroel — for all the world. Every word that is spoken of the holy Rabbainu — it is a great sweetening for the whole world. [But the world does not yet know of this?] Nu — it does not yet know. But it will know — it will know. The truth — the truth does not become nullified. The truth becomes stronger every day. (Saba laughs.) Segment 10 EN: The whole world will turn around — and from all the animals — human beings will be made — human beings. And here Rabbainu reveals that he is the root of all the… of the redemption — and of all the souls in Yisroel — to return them — to bring them out of places — from place… Where — each one who has fallen there — and to bring out the whole world from troubles. The troubles are the desires and money and the pleasures of this world. And one does not need all this — one needs to eat a piece of bread. (Saba laughs.) With — with (not understood) what? For what purpose is all the money and buildings? What? In order to eat bread. (Saba laughs.) Oy. Segment 11 EN: And Rebbe Nachman — he is the root of ours and of all the world. And this — in him — in him and in the Name — and in his Name "Na Nach Nachma Nachman" — this is the root of all creation — of all the Torah — and of {everything}. And this is effective for everything — to do teshuvah and… The main thing is wisdom. And if — if one lives even a thousand years — this is a matter that comes to an end — in the end it comes to an end. So what — what — what is it… Particularly we — in these generations — live fifty or sixty years. And also half of this one sleeps — half the time and… {Good} — what? For what purpose does one live? For what purpose is all the work? After — after fifty or sixty years one enters a hospital — and afterwards they put one in a refrigerator — and afterwards in the grave. What? What is there? One leaves all — all — all the money and all the work — one leaves it all in this world and… Yes. For what did you work fifty years as a slave? For what? He — he — he only always thought thoughts from the heart — where to get money — money — money — money — money. Yes. What is this? Madness — this is utter madness! Oy — nu — nu. (Saba laughs.) This… Oy. And this Petek came into the world through a stumbling — through a stumbling block. It is written — and the Gemara says — it is written in a verse in the Torah: "V'hamachshaylah hazos tachas yadecha" — "and this stumbling block is under your hand." Through the stumbling block — wonders happen. In particular — the holy Rabbainu — he brings in — he turns around all the distant ones and all the sinners and all — and all the world — turns them all to the Holy One Blessed Be He. He tur… (not understood) Only the word — one word of his — he — he conquers the whole world. He — he laughs at them — and they understand that they are in error. About what are they — they — they — they working so hard and pursuing so hard? For what? For whom? For what? (Saba laughs.) What? The main thing is "Na Nach Nachm…" — this is an easy thing to say. Because this — because when one says "Na Nach" — then one holds the root of all creation — and of all the Torah — and of all the tzaddikim and… Yes. And one enters into another world. (Saba laughs.) Only by mentioning the name of Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman — and like this — as is sealed with the seal in this Petek: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." Yes. Nu. Segment 12 EN: This needs to be in every place — in every shop — in every home — in all the world. (Saba laughs.) They will know that they are animals. [Who?] He turns to become — to become a human being. [Who is an animal? Who is this? The whole world?] The whole world. [So who remains a human being in this world today?] (Saba laughs.) [Who remains a human being in the world today? Are there human beings? How many human beings are there?] In every person there is good. [Yes.] And this good — even though it is very little — in a measure that does not — not — that not… But this — this has the power to transform the person. And the good that is in him — yes — it has power. The holy Rabbainu revealed that there is in every one — in every one… Segment 13 EN: And he was the pride of the city — the pride of the yeshiva — the pride of {the city}. He was a student of — of the Chafetz Chaim. He studied with him in yeshiva and he was his student — he studied by him. [What was he called?] [Tzvi Litvak.] Ah? [Tzvi Litvak?] [Ah — Tzvi Hirsh.] Rav — Rav Tzvi — Rav Tzvi Rosenthal. [Ah — I did not know he was a student of the Chafetz Chaim.] Yes — a student of — of… Oy voy. Segment 14 EN: (Saba laughs.) They do not need to eat. But I am a sick man. If you do not give me to eat — then not — then I will travel to the Land of Yisroel. [Good — eat there.] (Saba laughs.) [Here this is America — this is different food.] Yoy. [There is no tomato juice only here.] Oy — oy voy. (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy — oy — oy. I am so accustomed to such lowliness and to suffering troubles — I am already used to this. And blessed be Hashem — everything was in its proper time — in its moment. And everything was kept for now. And also the letter — from sixty-three years ago — yes — this was a preparation for now. Sixty years it was — it was without publicity. Yes. I told Rav Shlomo Wexler — to select individuals — to friends of mine — but not publicly. [Rebbe Yisroel — I think all of us were born for the letter.] What? What? [All of us were born for the letter.] (Saba laughs.) And the letter was before they were born. (Saba laughs.) Oy. Blessed be Hashem — blessed be Hashem — we have a house and a kitchen and a fire. And one can drink — there is to buy bread — blessed be Hashem — in abundance. And one can drink — to eat bread with tea — and to live a good life. (Saba laughs.) In America — they are from the Land of Yisroel — how we came — we come to America and we conquer a room and kitchen and water and everything that is needed. We have everything here — an… All the world was created for us. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [When will we receive a large printing press? We still need to receive a printing press and fill the homes of Yisroel with books — and that is it.] Everything — the Shabbos of — the Shabbatot of now — they are the preparation for the printing press. First of all we conquer America. (Saba laughs.) Afterwards the whole world. Not we — the letter. Everything is the letter. For what purpose — how are we here? If there were no letter — we have nothing to do in America. [This is true.] Hi — hi — hi — hi. Such wonders of Hashem — such a letter — such as one does not hear — we have not heard — and it is impossible to enter into the mind — such a miracle and wonder in this generation of darkness. [Rebbe Yisroel — what are these vowel points — the vowel points?] The vowel points? The vowel points are great secrets. The letters with the vowel points. And is it possible to read "Nachman" without vowel points? First of all there is a vowel point on the Nun — Nun — patach — "Nach" — patach — shva — "Nachm" — "Nachman." This is all vowel points. And also this is pashut — kaful… Why not five? Why not three? Only four! This is pashut — kaful — meshulass — meruba. This is the niggun that will be sung in the future — through Mashiach Tzidkaynu — to repair the world. And this song — he — he reveals here in this letter — that he is this song — pashut — kaful — meshulass — meruba — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy — oy. There is a choice. We — we should have been holy tzaddikim — not to ask from the whole world. Yes. When there is such a wonder — in this darkness there is such a wonder — such a letter — how it is sealed and how it is written — and how — the sign that no human being knew of this — only — only… Segment 15 EN: Paper — and I did not pay attention to it. What? Paper? What is this paper? And what will the paper do for me? (Saba laughs.) This paper will conquer the whole world! (Saba laughs.) This is us — the world laughs at us: "What? They are fools. They — they — they say such things — how is it possible for them to know such a thing?" (Saba laughs.) But there is the tzaddik — Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman — who is this — this — this — he is all — all of him miracle. Every word that came from his mouth — everything he revealed — and all his matters — and every soul that draws close to him — and every book that is printed — this all touches the redemption. Because he is the main thing of the redemption. And this is hinted at — in this — in this letter: "Na Nach Nachm…" — he is the redemption. This is the song that will be sung — this is a song of kindness that will be sung in the future. He is this song! Yes. Oy — oy. One holds in hand — all the miracles — they were — they were — temporary — they were only in their time — in time — temporary. And now we — it is written in the Torah — the miracles of Egypt — and more miracles — miracles — miracles. But one does not see. We believe in the Torah that there were miracles — certainly. But this — it is alive and in existence — this is alive and in existence. And this is such a miracle — how did it come to Teveria? And how did it come into the book? And how did I open the book and there was a letter there? And one sees such Providence with one's eyes — one sees such wonders as is impossible — beyond nature. Yes. And the holy Rabbainu writes about me — about Yisroel Ber: "V'alecha amarti — mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." The holy Rabbainu said this: "Mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." He promised that he — that his fire will not be extinguished. So this that I said then — this is "v'alecha amarti" — "v'alecha amarti mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy. This is a wonder — a wonder — everything is a wonder. How he… If there had been some great one of the generation — a scholar and a tzaddik and… Yes. But no — a simple ordinary person like me. And still. And I know myself — it is impossible for me… How he — he — he — he — he took — he took Yisroel Ber — he drew me close first to the holy Rabbainu. Yes — to draw close to the holy Rabbainu with such mesiras nefesh — with might — with such might. Yes. And afterwards the matter of the letter — the matter of the letter. Sixty years — and it is alive — it is in the world. A thin piece of paper — a piece of paper. How does it survive sixty years? Even a person of sixty years — he is already an old man. Yes. And a piece of paper — it is alive sixty-three years. How does it exist in the world? And also it was in great dangers. I sent it to Poland before the war — to Poland. And they returned it to me. And I received it by post. And this was a miracle — a miracle — a miracle. Yes. Oy — oy — oy. Segment 16 EN: The letter — so the Holy One Blessed Be He sent Aharon. It is through him. And were it not for Aharon — the letter would not have been revealed. [Not me — this is you — what am I.] (Saba laughs.) What do you have? [What? I have nothing.] [He distributed the letter — Saba.] Ah? [He distributed the letter.] What is this? [What? This?] What is this? [This is a tape.] Ah — I thought this was the letter. (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy — oy. The letter — it slept sixty years — and did not — not do anything — no — no publicity and no this. Yes. And after sixty years — it awakened — awakened slowly — slowly. Yes. And it said — and it says: "Hineni — I have come now — I am coming — yes — to repair the world." (Saba laughs.) [Kobi — this is a great wonder — Kobi — Kobi — this is a great wonder — Rebbe Yisroel.] Ah? [Even if you came to America a previous time only for Yaakov — it was worthwhile.] Yes? [Yes.] Blessed be Hashem. Oy — oy. When will you return me? [When?] Yes. [Chezkelhu — when will they return him?] [When Mashiach comes.] (Saba laughs.) [There is good soup here — tomato juice.] I need money for a ticket. (Saba laughs.) He tells me soup — I need money. [There is the Master of the Universe — ask him whether you need money for a ticket or redemption — one of the two.] Ah. Oy. It is good that you mentioned two weeks. [Me?] Nu — and if it will be three weeks? Then you need… [So what? I did not agree to two weeks.] So you agreed — you said: "Good — let two weeks come." [I agreed — I am ready even for one day — Rebbe Yisroel — I am ready for one day — one day I am ready — just so there be redemption.] Just let it come. [Yes — even tomorrow — just tomorrow — and that is it — so that there be redemption — two weeks — I will not let you — I hereby declare — from now until the redemption I will not separate from you. Wherever you go I am after you — Rebbe Yisroel — Rebbe Yisroel.] Nu. [From now until the redemption I will not leave you — I cannot live one day if you are not by me — I am like dead — Rebbe Yisroel.] Ah? [I am like dead if you are not beside me — I will pursue you from one end of the world to the other end.] Ho. [I will not leave you until Mashiach comes — like — like glue — like the mud that was in Yavne'el — like this I will be with you — I will not leave you.] Oy. [I cannot — I am like dead.] Hi. Segment 17 EN: So come… Hi — hi — hi — hi. Nu. Hi. I bless you with all my heart: # Tape 11G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/17/ Tape 11G, Side Aleph קסטה 11G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/17 Segment 1 EN: There are all the remedies and all the salvations. [Uman.] Ah — ah — ah — ah. There will be — whatever will be in the world — what joy. Nu. [There will be a beautiful wedding.] We will all become perfect — and the world will be full of joy. (Saba laughs.) The Russians — every year they are renewed. They will see that there is… [This is good.] More than the previous year. Yes — there is much more than the previous year. There will be many dollars — they will rejoice greatly. (Saba laughs.) [They will arrange much room.] And there will be a line from Lod to Uman. [Direct.] Yes — straight to Uman. There is already — there is already an airport? [There is an airport.] In Uman? [Yes — there was — there was a military airport.] I do not know. [And now they made it — now they made it for everyone.] (Saba laughs.) It does not need the army — everyone needs Uman — for what does it need an army? [But Rabbainu said that there will be a machine — meshin — that will take one… to Uman — to return him to Minchah in Yerushalayim — Rabbainu said.] Yoy. [That there will be machines.] Yes. [That they will take — the Israeli man to Uman — and return him to Minchah in Yerushalayim.] Yes. [On the same day.] He said this at a time that — the whole world did not — not know this. How? Through the air? Can one ride through the air? How? (Saba laughs.) And the holy Rabbainu said: "There will be journeys — with — with an airplane." [This is a wonder.] He revealed the airplane two hundred years ago. [Yes.] That there was not — that there was not… The whole world did not know of this — they did not believe that it would be — that it would be possible to travel by airplane. Where? How? [Rabbainu — this is a wonder — ruach hakodesh.] There will be no sadness in the world — only joy. (Saba laughs.) "Yesh inyan — yesh inyan shenishtapach hakol l'tovah" — there is a matter — there is a matter that everything pours out for good. Nu. (Saba laughs.) Who would not want to travel to the matter? [Yes.] This matter — which turns everything for good. (Saba laughs.) [The matter is Rabbainu.] Yes — who added this — who revealed this. [You said it.] Ah? [You said it.] I said it? What did I say? ["There is a matter that everything pours out for good" — the matter is Rabbainu — by whom it all turns for good.] No one knew — not — not knew who… Where is this matter? We very much need — the matter. Where is it? (Saba laughs.) The matter is whoever revealed this — he is the matter! [This is the holy crown.] Rebbe Shimon bar Yochai — he is "Ir v'kadish min shemaya nachis" — and now there is "Nachal Novea Makor Chochmah" from Uman — 'Nachman MayUman.' (Saba laughs.) The whole world did not know of Uman — only of Breslov. And now all — the whole world knows of Uman — Uman. (Saba laughs.) How? The holy Rabbainu sealed himself 'Nachman MayUman.' (Saba laughs.) [In the end the whole world will know that this is Uman.] The name 'Uman' remains — it is such a pleasant word — 'Uman.' Easy — easy and beautiful — 'Uman.' [All the Russians already know where Uman is.] (Saba laughs.) [Take me to Uman.] They will travel with me — and the world will be… They will have no other matter — only — only to become Jewish. [Yes.] It is impossible to be in Uman without — without Jewishness. So everyone will become Jewish. (Saba laughs.) They will see — all the Russians will see that this is good. (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: The non-Jews are receiving blows. [Yes?] [Yes — a plane fell in Russia — many people died.] What? A plane? [Yes.] In Russia? [The Russians' plane.] Nu? [And everyone was killed there.] All were killed. [Yes — of the non-Jews.] Nu — they are receiving {blows?} (Saba laughs.) [They are on the way. Now the Cabinet of Yisroel —] Ah? [The Cabinet of Yisroel.] Cabinet? [Yes — the Knesset.] Yoy. [They announced that they are not going to America to speak with the Arabs.] Yes? [They stopped — Yisroel stopped the peace talks — Yisroel stopped.] They stopped. [Yes — they said they do not want to speak in America — they want to speak here.] To speak here. [Yes — in the Middle East.] Ah — ah. (Saba laughs.) [And Yisroel is strong.] Ah? Yisroel — Yisroel is strong. [Yes — there is trust in Hashem.] They have no other choice. (Saba laughs.) [They will have to in the end say "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman".] (not understood) Nu — Lizer — Lizer. [This is not Lizer — this is Gideon.] Ah — Gideon — Gideon. [He will help us.] (not understood) Oy voy. [Perhaps we can hear a Torah scroll?] Ah? [Perhaps we can hear a Torah scroll — today is Thursday — a Torah scroll — perhaps we shall go to hear?] Good — is there — is there no hat? {Come} — take with me… Lizer. [Lizer — I think he made a mistake.] Ah? [Perhaps he took your hat.] Yes. [Where is the second kippah that you had? Saba.] I do not know. [Thinner.] I do not know. [Saba.] Yoy. [Perhaps put on this kippah — it is thin — one can put a hat over it.] Ah? [One can put a hat over it — it is thin.] Yes. [If this is fine for you — if it is large.] Large. [Just a moment — I will bring — there is another one — see which is yours — just a moment — perhaps this one — is this one better?] {Not yet.} [See if the hat — blessed be Hashem — not good?] No. Segment 3 EN: …So to learn at an ulpan — to learn. [At an ulpan?] The Holy Tongue. [Yes — yes.] So he will be able. [Yes.] To say Likutay Tfilos. [Yes.] And all — and all the Torah. [No — I understand.] [One must also pray for this — a great deal of Likutay Tfilos — there is Likutay Tfilos for reading Psalms.] [Yes — yes — yes.] [Saba.] Ah? [There is Likutay Tfilos that one must read Psalms — in Likutay Tfilos there is — they pray to read Psalms.] [Saba — how did Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner say Likutay Tfilos? Did he weep? Did he shout?] There are no words to speak and to tell — it is impossible to describe such a thing — spiritual — soul — this — this — this. (Saba laughs.) But he illuminated in the heart — it is set in my heart — in all my limbs — his voice. Yes. Ah. [Did he sing?] He sang — yes — yes. Ho — ho — he sang a niggun of holiness — such a niggun — a niggun of Mashiach. (Saba laughs.) [Does one say Likutay Tfilos with joy — or with weeping?] Ah? [How — how — how as the heart…] To say — to say with the mouth what is written in the book — simply — as is written — to say with the mouth. And from this — time will come. Yes. [Saba — were you connected to the Anash in Yerushalayim?] Ah? [Were you connected to the Anash in Yerushalayim?] Ah — Rav? I do not have. [When you were together — when you were together?] A little — a little — a little — not much. [Were they — were they separate?] There was — there was for them {a Rebbe}. But the main thing — is the avodah of truth — mesiras nefesh — to nullify one's mind. [To Rabbainu.] This is matters. Yoy. Segment 4 EN: …Two weeks ago — on Shabbos — I dreamed a dream — a dream. I had a dream. [Two weeks ago he dreamed a dream.] Ah — yoy. [About the moon — about the moon.] Yes? [Yes — and there were on the moon many shades — points in different shades.] [Spots — there were on the moon spots.] [Yes — points — like points in different shades.] Small — what — what small? [Spots.] [Points — points — like points.] [Points — like points on the moon.] Ah. [In different shades.] [In colors — in many colors.] He saw a dream? [Yes — yes — in the morning at dawn — like this. And there was also — was like a pit — a deep pit — in black color — in the dream.] [He dreamed that on the moon they are studying — studying Torah.] {This is like this}… Segment 5 EN: …[Saba — is it good — is it good to speak of worldly matters? Is it good to speak of matters of this world?] (not understood) The main speech is only of Hashem — Torah with Hashem — this is called speech. [Rabbainu used to ask Rebbe Naftali — if there is news?] Ah? [Rabbainu used to hear — used to ask Rebbe Naftali if there is news in the world. He would tell him news. So he told him of Napoleon.] Yes. [Napoleon.] Napoleon. [Yes — he had been a slave and became a leader. Napoleon.] Napoleon. [Yes — he was a slave.] Yes. [So Rabbainu told the story of "the king's son who was exchanged with the maidservant's son" — from the news — Saba — he asks — he asks — there is a rumor that Napoleon met Rabbainu — is this true?] Ah? A pogrom? [That Napoleon met Rabbainu.] Nu. [Met Rabbainu.] I do not know. [This is not written — is such a thing known? Is there such a rumor?] There is a rumor that he met him. Not — not clear. [Not clear.] There is a hearing. [Yes.] And that he was — was — that he met him… Segment 6 EN: …{He and they — he does things} — thus said Rabbainu. [This is impossible if it is not in silence — in silence this is not — not enough.] To speak — to speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He. Even like this — like two friends. [True — yes — like…] Who speak and tell — yes — yes. Like this the holy Rabbainu wanted — that we speak with the Holy One Blessed Be He like with a good friend. (Saba laughs.) [Yes — but — but it is hard to bring out words — if you do not feel them it is as if… But the words must be true — Rebbe Yisroel — not just like this — no? Do you understand? If you do not feel the words you are saying — this — this — this is not — this — this is a problem.] [To speak — to speak — to speak — until there will be words.] [Rebbe Yisroel — how to renew oneself in prayer? To lengthen the prayer?] A new world — all — all — everything is new. [Yes.] Ah? (Saba laughs.) (not understood) No — this is how much it is… (Saba laughs.) Segment 7 EN: By Mashiach — he will come — and the time of Kriyyas Shema will not pass. (Saba laughs.) [Rabbainu saw this before everyone — before there were planes.] [It is already possible today — already possible today to travel in the morning and return before Minchah. There are planes with which one can do this — there are planes that can come and return.] [Saba — there are already such planes — he says there are already — already now like this. One travels in the morning and returns the same day. There are planes that can come and return.] Yes. [He says that now this already exists.] There are such journeys? [Yes — this is already — already now.] [Everyone will travel to Uman.] [Are there many signs of Mashiach now?] Segment 8 EN: …One sign among the signs of Mashiach — that there will be — that there will be such a vehicle that travels through the air. (Saba laughs.) [So this is a little time until Mashiach?] [There is "Na Nach".] Whoever finds it hard to pray and to serve Hashem — so he will travel to Mashiach — who will pray for him — who will — he — he — he will illuminate in him — so he will speak all his days — all… (Saba laughs.) Segment 9 EN: …"Chazak v'amatz" — eight times he mentioned him greatly — to be "Chazak v'amatz." Yes. If not — Heaven forfend — not — not — {the opposite} — not good. Only "Chazak v'amatz" — we must believe the words of the tzaddik and fulfill! (Saba laughs.) Only "Chazak v'amatz." This is war — this is a great war. The Adversary wants only to cause to fall. The holy Rabbainu said: the Adversary goes around with a person like this — he wants — Heaven forfend — to degrade him completely — "and I do the opposite." (Saba laughs.) He said — he closes and he opens. The holy Rabbainu opens all the gates of teshuvah — of everything — of all the rectifications. Such a thing has never yet been in the world. Now there is in the world such a light that will be — that… Only — we see that not yet has the time come for it to be revealed — but it will be revealed. The time has come. Yes — exactly — it will be revealed — the greatness of the Creator will be revealed — it will be revealed how we are servants of Hashem — "Banim atem laHashem Elokaychem" — "you are children to Hashem your God." Only now they will serve — they will grind the lips always — if we say what is written — what — what is written in the Torah — what is written — awesome. And we need only to say with the mouth — then it will be good. [Saba — my son is ashamed.] No — no — one must overcome — war. [Yes — war.] Certainly. One needs — in war one must be a warrior — to overcome — not — not to fall. The holy Rabbainu does not allow us to fall in any way — in any way. He only strengthens us — and revives and strengthens — and strengthens us and revives us — as has never been before. But this is his matter. Already the time is close. [Close.] The whole day lying like this — this is not — not good. The body needs to walk and go. But I always sit and lie. {This is not…} May Hashem have mercy. [We — we have a car.] A car. [If you want to stroll.] Yes? Yes? [Yes — yes.] Good. Do you have one? [Yes — we have a car.] Perhaps you will come — so that I will do this once a week — twice a week. [Yes — yes.] To do such things that strengthen the limbs. [I don't understand Hebrew so well — he is translating.] Let him translate. {What will you do?} Do you have weights — do you have such things that are good for the limbs? Then bring — and I — once a week — twice a week. [Whatever he…] Yes — yes — yes — yes. Whatever he… If it is possible to do this — it is very good. [No problem.] Yes. [Will Tziporah be here tomorrow? Will Tziporah be here?] I do not know — we do not need her. [No — one needs to speak with Tziporah.] She — she — all the doctors are hers. All the great doctors she knows — she knows and she… [Yes?] Yes — yes. She worked more than fifty years at Hadassah. [Yes?] Yes. Give me your address — I will give it to Tziporah — and she will go to you — will speak with you — you will give me your address. Yes. And I will give it to Tziporah. [Yes.] She will go to you to speak about this. [Yes — Shderot Eshkol — Shderot Eshkol 30 — Shderot Eshkol 30 — also Doctor Hoffenheim from Hadassah.] Ah? [Doctor Hoffenheim.] Nu? [Also from Hadassah.] Nu? [A good doctor.] Yes? [Yes — Dani'el was…] By him. [By him — yes.] Nu. What does he say? He gives some… [To give medicines — to give medicines.] Yes? [Yes.] Good? [Yes — but we went only once — one needs to go again and again.] Ah. [Yes — there is a doctor who says to Dani'el — hypnosis is good for him — hypnosis — is this good for him — hypnosis?] What — what does he say? [One needs to speak with Hoffenheim about — about this — it is good?] About the situation. [About the situation — yes.] Does he know how to drive — to manage the car? [No — no — I…] You know — he does not. [No — no — he has no license — he has no license.] He has no license. [No — he is translating your book.] "Avi HaNachal"? [Yes — yes.] Good — let him strengthen himself in this. # Tape 11G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/18/ Tape 11G, Side Bais קסטה 11G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/18 Segment 1 EN: No livelihood — and no other matter — only Hashem — to merit to draw close to the Holy One Blessed Be He. Yes. And they warned greatly — the holy Ari HaKadosh — the holy Ari HaKadosh had holy students — geonim — students and masters of Kabbalah — the students of the holy Ari HaKadosh. He warned them greatly about love of friends. And also Rebbe Shimon bar Yochai warned his circle — that they hold themselves in great love. And also the holy Rabbainu (Saba laughs.) and his holy student Rebbe Nassan — they speak so much about — about love of friends. Nu. And this — blessed be Hashem with us — this is against the world. But — but there is love and there is love. I saw what love is. Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — of blessed memory — he gave his entire soul for me. Perhaps he would succeed in illuminating in me some — some light — that… To cleanse oneself from the desires of this world — this is the main thing — to cleanse ourselves from the desires of this world. This is the main thing — drawing close to the Holy One Blessed Be He — so that we not become… The holy Rabbainu appeared like a camel. A camel is very strong — a camel. Oy — a camel — a camel and a mouse. A mouse — this is small and weak. This is not — the camel is great and strong. Yes. So that we not be like a camel — whereby if a mouse comes and takes the rope and leads it to wherever he wants — and it walks after him. Like this are we. We are mighty warriors. We have the holy Rabbainu. Heaven forfend — {we} must be very careful — to accept upon ourselves the wisdom and the da'as of the holy Rabbainu — for this is all our life-force in this world and in the World to Come. All our life-force and our hopes — everything. This is only this. Because the holy Rabbainu — he — he — he purifies us. "Ani nahar hametahayr mikol haktemim" — "I am the river that purifies from all the stains." Yes. [Yes.] He wants to cleanse. He — for this purpose he came into the world — to cleanse us from the desires! Yes. And this is everything — all the love and everything — everything is for this. (Saba laughs.) And to speak of this always — how one merits to depart from the desires — to break the desires. [Yes.] Yes — all kinds of advice — how — what — what to do. Nu. We know that the main thing is prayer — prayer even in any room. In particular — one can go to the Kosel and to the graves of tzaddikim here and in Tzfas. Yes. Prayer — prayer — prayer for emunah. If not — Heaven forfend — Heaven forfend — we fall — we fall. Yes — a great danger. Without the true leader — without the tzaddik — we have no power to conquer this war — this war. The tzaddik revealed to us in his holy words — the matter of cleansing and purifying ourselves from desires. Only — only to serve Hashem. For this we live — for this is all — all of creation. All of creation was not yet created — until Yisroel should receive the Torah. But one must learn and fulfill everything that he — that he teaches us. Everything that we learn from his holy books — to fulfill it. Yes — with mesiras nefesh — immediately to fulfill. Yes. Difficult? One needs — it will be difficult — one needs — one needs {to fulfill}: "B'chol levavcha — b'chol nafshecha — b'chol me'odecha" — "with all your heart — with all your soul — with all your might." Perhaps close one door — one door. Yes — yes. Give only one door. Ah — yes. How much — how much and how much we must rejoice and give thanks always to the Holy One Blessed Be He for the gift — for this kindness that He has done with us — that we have the holy Rabbainu now in such darkness — in these generations. There is already — the holy Rabbainu — he is the remedy for everything. He — he heals and repairs and revives everything — for all who want — in every moment. Oy. Is there sunlight? Yes? [There is sunlight.] Not much — let it not be old. [Yes.] One must always buy. [New.] Fresh — fresh. And if it is not fresh — then it is not worthwhile — not — not — not does it work as needed. Not. So shall we go in the sun? [Yes.] Segment 2 EN: This is not expensive. (not understood) You can look in the book. [I read in the book.] Ah — {fine — excellent.} Do you have a book? [Yoy.] Is your stove on wood or on gas? [No — it is a radiator.] Ah? [It has oil in it.] Segment 3 EN: (not understood — Saba speaks with someone in Yiddish.) He will fall like — like all the rabbis — like all the rabbis. (Saba laughs.) Yes. [(a friend speaks in Yiddish)] A fool — wicked — and coarse. [(a friend speaks in Yiddish)] He will fall like all those who have honor — like all {those of…} — he will fall and fall — the liars — all — like all — all the liars will fall — and there will be only — only truth — truth and emunah. [(a friend speaks in Yiddish)] They will fall — they will fall — all of them will fall. (Saba laughs.) Segment 4 EN: He has stomach pains. (Saba laughs.) [Who? Rav Lizer?] Yoy. Have you not heard? [I have not heard.] Yes — I heard this. (Saba laughs.) Segment 5 EN: …That there will be yeshivos that will study the books of Rabbainu — there will be — there will be many yeshivos — and they will study the books of Rabbainu. Like this — like this I heard. [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) Segment 6 EN: …[Hoping — hoping that he will not.] Hoping that he will buy. [That he will not buy.] Ah? [That he will not buy.] That he will not buy. [They want — everyone together wants to buy — but not that he buys alone. (not understood — he speaks in Yiddish.)] Yes? No — no — no — not one. [Not one. He has become the rabbi over Breslov? What is this?] He has become an Admor — Admor {like this} — Admor. [Admor Berland.] Yoy. He will fall like all the liars. [(not understood — he speaks in Yiddish)] No — no — no — all of them will fall. [Ashkenazim and Sephardim.] (Saba laughs.) [All of them?] Yes. Segment 7 EN: …[(not understood — a friend speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] Segment 8 EN: …"Sheyomtaku kol hadinim me'al" — [Yitzchak ben Simchah.] Yitzchak ben Simchah. [Barak.] Ah? [Barak — Barak ben Malka.] Barak ben Malka. [Eliyahu ben Simchah.] Eliyahu ben Simchah. [Asher ben Simchah.] Ah? Asher ben Simchah. [The whole family.] "And the whole family — and all of Yisroel — through a supernal wonder in which there is no admixture of judgment whatsoever — Amen." [Amen.] [May you merit mitzvos — Saba.] [Saba — can you make for me a pidyon?] Ah? [Can you make for me a pidyon?] Who is this? [Gideon.] Gideon — Gideon ben — [Sandra.] Ah? [Sandra.] Sandra. [And Esther bas Chanah.] Ah? [And Esther bas Chanah.] Esther bas Chanah. [And the whole family.] The whole family — "through a supernal wonder…" [Amen.] [Thank you greatly — may you merit mitzvos.] Segment 9 EN: …Five years. [Every day? Every day were you together?] Yes — two — two. (Saba laughs.) In Teveria there was I and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — two Breslov Chassidim. (Saba laughs.) Nu — you — you are not {open-mouthed}… Segment 10 EN: …[I can take from what is there.] Yes — yes. [You will eat this.] There is time. [Good — so put here — put here.] I do not need so much. [Were you chavrusah?] I do not — not need so much. I do not have a large stomach — my stomach is small. Immediately it becomes full. (Saba laughs.) [Saba — you said: "There will be a time — whoever does not bless with kavanah — he will have no stomach."] Oy voy — oy voy — what a — what a world — what a — what a world is this — that there is Rabbainu already in the world. This is the world — the world of Mashiach — a new world. (Saba laughs.) [Can I eat from this? Saba — can I eat from this?] What kind… For what purpose do you need to know? For what purpose did I give it to you? Segment 11 EN: The story of 'the Wise Man and the Simple Man.' (Saba laughs.) This story — the whole world can live from this story. (Saba laughs.) And rejoice. The Simple Man asked the Wise Man: "Why is it that every time I come — you are in sadness? Why am I in joy?" (Saba laughs.) So the Wise Man was always in sadness — this is not fine — and this is not good — and this is not good — and this is not good. And the Simple Man made everything good. He wanted meat — to eat meat. So he said to his wife: "Give me meat." (Saba laughs.) She gave him bread: "Here is meat." So he said: "Ho — the meat is so good — so pleasant — the meat!" [He felt meat.] He needed a garment to go to a friend's wedding. Yes. So he said to her: "Give me the beautiful garment — I need to go to a wedding." (Saba laughs.) She gave him the peltz. (Saba laughs.) [This is the same garment every time.] A story — this is such a story — it can make the whole world rejoice. (Saba laughs.) Why am I to rejoice — {says the Simple Man} — always — every time I come — I — you are in sadness. (Saba laughs.) So he said to him: "How should I not be in sadness? A rich man brought me a diamond — a diamond. And he brought me another diamond — to make it just like this diamond. He made it — he — he was [an expert] — a great expert. He made it well and very beautifully. He came — the rich man came: 'Ho — this is so beautiful — this — this…' But he — he made some — some defect — some — some small thing not right. [Small.] But the whole world did not — not know of this — because — because there was none — none who would understand — this defect — only he himself." So he said to the Simple Man: "How can I rejoice? A wise man like me — will have — will have a mistake? Will have such an error — that he did not do it properly? Nu — how can I be in joy?" (Saba laughs.) [The Simple Man was making a shoe — the Simple Man was making a shoe with three tips — and was in great joy.] He was always in joy. And the Wise Man was always in sadness — this is not fine — and this is not fine — this is not fine. [The story of the Petek — the story of the Petek — it is always new.] Ah? [The story of the Petek of "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — this is always new.] New — new — yes. (Saba laughs.) [With simplicity.] He speaks to me and to you — and to all the world: "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — to you — and to you — and to you — and to you — and to all the world. (Saba laughs.) What — what does he need to descend so much — to say — to say to me that "nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha." (Saba laughs.) I did not enjoy at all — and he enjoyed: "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha." This is not — this is not — this is not finished — not yet finished: "V'alecha amarti mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." Nu — this — this — would you be in sadness when I say this to you? (Saba laughs.) Segment 12 EN: …[The holy Rabbainu hinted at the coming of Mashiach.] Yes. [That he — that he is Mashiach.] "V'alecha amarti — mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet — biz Mashiach vet kumen." Nu. (Saba laughs.) [Saba — only Rabbainu spoke with Mashiach.] Yes — in the Petek it is written of Mashiach — that he will come. Mashiach will come — and the whole world will be joyful — all will become perfect. (Saba laughs.) [You need to be "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — strengthen us.] "Chazak v'amatz" — this is his matter — this is his remedy. "Chazak v'amatz" — two — two words — "Chazak" — "v'amatz." (Saba laughs.) He gives us remedies — the remedy: "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha." Do you not want to be in joy? I am telling you to be in joy. (Saba laughs.) [Through the power of Rabbainu he will make us joyful.] "Chazak v'amatz." (Saba laughs.) [There will be no choice — there will be no choice — one must be in joy.] He speaks with the whole world — with each and every one. Every word of his is written in a book — and he speaks to each and every one — to all the world. Such a Rebbe — that he speaks with the whole world. (Saba laughs.) "Ani nahar hametahayr mikol haktemim." [From all the stains.] Nu — the whole world is mad — there is such a river — {without his dignity.} (Saba laughs.) [This is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman".] This is the seal — the conclusion — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." (Saba laughs.) [MayUman.] Eighty years it was — it was… [Hidden — concealed.] It was not possible for any person to come to him — not even one person in the world. Great wise Englishmen — impossible. To Uman? Impossible to reach. And now — already — already the whole world can reach Uman. (Saba laughs.) [Everyone will travel to Uman.] Yes — what? Are we mad? For what — for what purpose all these troubles? (Saba laughs.) ["The river that purifies from all the stains" — everyone will go to immerse in the river.] All the dollars of America will be in Russia — all will come to Russia — to Uman — and will take all the dollars to the Russians. (Saba laughs.) [The Russians will be rich.] Yes — ho — ho. [For what purpose will they be rich?] (Saba laughs.) And how much joy there will be in the world — eighty years it was not possible to reach Uman — and suddenly it opened to the whole world. How is this? (Saba laughs.) [Uman made a revolution in all of Russia.] Yes. [Certainly the Communists are finished.] Without a bullet — by itself. (Saba laughs.) [Now they are making planes straight to Uman.] Ah? [Now they are making planes to Uman — they will reach straight to Uman — there will be a large airport.] There have been several requests. [Yes.] Visa — visa — visa — visa — visa — visa. Where to? [To Uman.] (Saba laughs.) What? Is there — is only Uman in the world? Why only to Uman? (Saba laughs.) And so easy — so pleasant — Uman. [True.] One word — that is all — the whole world — 'Uman.' [Uman.] Yes — this — this is everything. (Saba laughs.) Ah — now the French are travelling. [Yes.] Next year the English will come too. [Afterwards from America.] From America — yes — yes — all — all will come to Uman. (Saba laughs.) [Where are you going? — so many people will ask: "Where are you going?"] Uman — it has a great expanse. Yes? [Yes.] All — the whole world can enter — {even} the whole world can come. (Saba laughs.) [This is true — this is the small that holds the great.] All will come to Uman — they will see how good it is. So each time they… […will come.] # Tape 12G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/19/ Tape 12G, Side Aleph קסטה 12G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/19 Segment 1 EN: This — Rav Avraham ben Rebbe Nachman — he gave this niggun {and sang it}: "Bach Rabbainu Nagila…" The whole world now sings "Bach Rabbainu Nagila…" They know that this is Breslov. (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: What I heard from Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) was: Mashiach was in this world {and not} — and not — and nothing came about — because the world was mocking and opposing — "Breslov — Breslov!" (Saba laughs.) If there had not been — if there had not been the dispute — I would not have known what Breslov is. Yes — this — now I was Breslov — the dispute — the opponents. (Saba laughs.) "Na Nach" — Rabbainu revealed it himself — no student. Rabbainu himself revealed this. Do you know who I am? I am "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman!" (Saba laughs.) One sees that the whole world is receiving this niggun — the whole world sings it at weddings. Did you tell me? No — no — Menachem — Menachem told me. [Yes.] That his wife went to a wedding — and there they were — they were singing this niggun — they were playing this niggun "Na Nach" at the wedding. Nu — {we shall sing}. (Saba laughs.) The whole world. (not understood) So they heard such a niggun. Segment 3 EN: The whole world knows — seventy — eighty years — Uman was closed — it was impossible to reach there. (Saba laughs.) If one succeeded in reaching Uman — then all — all the journalists — all the newspapers — all — all — all the world were speaking of it: "Ho — one has succeeded in reaching Uman!" And now — {the latter ones} — they are no more — no more — they are all in the grave. And the holy Rabbainu has conquered the whole world. Yes. He revealed "Na Nach" — who {made} the whole world? "Na Nach" — no tzaddik was — none revealed this — not — not — not knew of this — what is "Na Nach." We sing "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) Nu — this is a new river — a new niggun in the world — "Na Nach" — all the children of Yisroel — all — all the Land of Yisroel says — asks: "What is 'Na Nach'?" They do not know what this is. (Saba laughs.) So now — blessed be Hashem — we know that the holy Rabbainu revealed this — that he — that he is this "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) There is already Likutay Moharan — the Sipuray Ma'asiyos — the Likutay Halachos. Now the time of redemption has arrived — Rabbainu has begun to awaken a little. (Saba laughs.) Has anyone heard of such a thing — a "Petek?" {Did there come down} a Petek from the heavens? A Petek? (Saba laughs.) We have not heard of this. It is an interesting matter — there is — there is a Petek — such a Petek — we have not heard. For whom in the world is there such a Petek? "V'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) All — all the wise ones — the secular — the secular — all the world do not — not know what this "Na Nach" is. And little by little they will know — because they will ask: "What is this? I — I want to know what this is." They will learn it. (Saba laughs.) And when they know and draw close to Rabbainu — a new world will be made! This is a new miracle. The whole world asks: "What is 'Na Nach'?" (Saba laughs.) The scholars — the Chassidim — they are thinking: "What — what — what is this — what is 'Na Nach'?" (Saba laughs.) Yerushalayim — Meah Shearim — and the whole world will ask: "What — we want to know what 'Na Nach' is!" (Saba laughs.) "You have such a niggun — such a niggun — such a wondrous niggun — what is this?" (Saba laughs.) They come and tell us: "We heard such a niggun — 'Na Nach.'" So all of France and all of England will be filled with "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) Italy — all the nations — China — they will ask: "What is 'Na Nach'?" (Saba laughs.) They have no other question — only about "Na Nach" — "what is this — what is 'Na Nach'?" (Saba laughs.) "Na Nach" — this is a niggun that — it — that is capable of healing all diseases. This is the niggun. Do you know what this niggun is? "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) That is it — they will wonder — what is this? They see with their own eyes a disease for which there is no remedy — this is cancer — such cancer that — (Saba laughs.) Yes. And the holy Rabbainu says: "Go!" — and it begins to go! And the world says: "What is this — what — what happened? Where did it go?" I also ask about my evil inclination: "Where did it go? Did it die? It is no more — where is my evil inclination? I was born — I am not — not (not understood) — this world — it is the evil inclination. And where is my evil inclination? It has disappeared — disappeared completely!" (Saba laughs.) The more we know of Rabbainu — the more the evil inclination goes and recedes and disappears. (Saba laughs.) [Yes.] He kills it together with all its soldiers. Yes. (Saba laughs.) This is a wonder. And they will ask: "What is he telling the world? That there is {'Na Nach' here? (Saba laughs.) There is 'Na Nach' here.}" So they — we are afraid of the whole world — of all the world and all the non-Jews — and not — not — not speaking with them. Yes. (Saba laughs.) I merited to see with my eyes and with my heart — what — what I merited to see and to hear — such wonders — such prayer — such service of Hashem — such emunah — such emunah — such truth. From the day of creation of the world there has been no such thing — only now is "Na Nach" beginning to be revealed. (Saba laughs.) Tell Tzion to make a little — to make a little tomato puree {and give me to eat.} Segment 4 EN: He was singing this niggun. Segment 5 EN: Rebbe Nassan — he traveled with his son Rebbe Yitzchak to make a chuppah. So the opponents gathered with the whole city and went against Rebbe Nassan and the bridegroom — to receive them with stones. There was great danger. Rebbe Nassan and Rebbe Yitzchak the bridegroom were in great danger — they threw stones. (Saba laughs.) We — now we sing this. I saw what it is — I saw rabbis — famous ones. And I saw one — one person — Rebbe Yisroel — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner. I saw what — what — what this world is — and what Breslov is. This is a wonder. (Saba laughs.) Blessed be Hashem that I am alive and I see that the holy Rabbainu — he has conquered all — all — the whole world. (Saba laughs.) Torah — one word of his — he conquers the whole world — {all the Torah} — everything — everything. Segment 6 EN: Nu — go — go. If only we merit to hear some good tidings. [Amen — all good to you.] Oy — the whole illness was worthwhile — the whole illness was worthwhile — to hear what we have heard today of Rabbainu. {Such good has been made.} "What is 'Na Nach'?" (Saba laughs.) [Good — farewell — all good.] Ho — good — ho — ho — ho. [Ashreynu mah tov chelkaynu.] Segment 7 EN: We will sing and dance and do all — all kinds of joy. This is enough — from one word of Rabbainu. Such is this power — this is new — this is Mashiach — Mashiach — Mashiach is new. And the holy Rabbainu has already brought Mashiach. Shlomo Efraim — he is already Mashiach. [Ben David — Ben Yosef.] Ah? [Ben David — Ben Yosef.] Nu — yes — yes. Ben David — David and Yosef — Mashiach ben David and Mashiach ben Yosef. The holy Rabbainu — when Efraim was born — Shlomo Efraim — he — the holy Rabbainu — he knows — he knows which year and which month and which day Mashiach will come. (Saba laughs.) And now he will not come on this day — he passed away. So now — not — not will they reveal. But he will come. "V'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) What is this? Such a wonder — "v'alecha amarti" — in none of Rabbainu's letters was "v'alecha amarti" written. This — this — this is such a wonder: "v'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) Nu — we must wait! (Saba laughs.) "V'alecha amarti" — one must wait! Never yet in the world has there been such a letter — "v'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) This is awesome — a very awesome wonder. Ah. And beyond this — the holy Rabbainu is in the world — so the Holy One Blessed Be He gave us the Land of Yisroel as well. Since the holy Rabbainu is already here — there will also be… Yes — also the Land of Yisroel and also the Beis HaMikdash — and also everything He gave us. All the non-Jews — all the world — He gave to us. He — this includes the whole world. He gave us the Land of Yisroel and the Beis HaMikdash — everything — the Land of Yisroel and the Beis HaMikdash. Yes — what wonders we see like these. (not understood) (Saba laughs.) The Beis HaMikdash — is there another Beis HaMikdash in the world? The Land of Yisroel — the Land of Yisroel — is there another Land of Yisroel in the world? There is not! (Saba laughs.) Such beautiful wondrous things — such wonders. I saw — in the holy Zohar it says: "Miracles — miracles and wonders that will take place with Mashiach — at the coming of Mashiach — and this is the redemption. There were not even in Egypt such miracles — this will surpass all the miracles — even the Exodus from Egypt." (Saba laughs.) We do not know what happened — we were slaves in Egypt. Nu — how is it possible to take Yisroel out from the hand of Egypt? Egypt was the most powerful government in the world. There was none who could take us out — only the Holy One Blessed Be He Himself — in His glory and in Himself. (Saba laughs.) And the miracles and wonders that were — that were in Egypt — and now there will be miracles and wonders greater than Egypt. (Saba laughs.) The miracles and wonders have already begun — the holy Rabbainu is already in the world — the Land of Yisroel is already ours. Nu — it will come slowly — slowly — everything will come. (Saba laughs.) Ah — who could have imagined even in thought — how the Land of Yisroel would be ours? Yes — the non-Jews — the Arabs — millions — millions in the world — and we — how many are we? We stand against the whole world. (Saba laughs.) It appears — {they will see} — the whole world. And they say to us — we will say to them: "We are not afraid of you — we have weapons from the heavens." (Saba laughs.) The non-Jews — they feel this. They saw such an earthquake — such shouts. Yes. But they are non-Jews — they do not want — they do not want — they do not believe. But they will fall. All the falsehood will fall. And all the non-Jews — nothing — nothing. What? Are we afraid of the whole world — of all the non-Jews? (Saba laughs.) Suddenly an earthquake will come and they will see — this is a great blow. And who knows what {there is} tomorrow? Wherever there is an earthquake — they are afraid. (Saba laughs.) Such an earthquake — as what was — as what was — such has never been. There were — some people were killed. But an earthquake {from the heavens} — a hundred thousand — seventy thousand — a hundred thousand were killed. Nu — when one sees such a thing — we are not afraid. The non-Jews are afraid — because the blows will come upon them. (Saba laughs.) There will be (not understood) — Mashiach will come — ho — what will happen. (Saba laughs.) All the non-Jews will come: "We want to become Jewish." Converts are not accepted — in the days of Mashiach converts are not accepted. {Where will they give us good?} (Saba laughs.) # Tape 1G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/2/ Tape 1G, Side Bais קסטה 1G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/2 Segment 1 EN: and he replied: "What — what — what is he saying? A loan of half a lira?" (Saba laughs.) But my request — he could not get it out of his heart. I said it with force, with firmness: "I need half a lira! Let him lend me half a lira." When would he ever get it back? Can he give half a lira? He can give a grosh, two groshn, five groshn — but not half a lira. (Saba laughs.) But my words did not leave him… no — he was not able to forget. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: He said: "How is it possible to lend half a lira — half a lira?" But he gave — half a lira — he gave it to me. (Saba laughs.) Yes. He said to me that he would think it over and… Afterwards he saw me in the market and called me over — he said to me: "I will give you half a lira — tomorrow, the day after tomorrow — I will give you half a lira." (Saba laughs.) That was it. Nu — my joy! I already have the journey to Yerushalayim — to travel to Yerushalayim! (Saba laughs.) Segment 3 EN: Nu. In those days one did not travel directly from Teveria to Yerushalayim — first one had to go to Haifa, and from Haifa to Yerushalayim. Yes. In Haifa there lived — there lived Rav Moshe Klein. He was close to Rabbainu, and all of Haifa loved him — they loved him. He went alone through all of Haifa… He, he took upon himself all the troubles — no, no, no — he did not leave troubles here as everyone does. He was unique in Haifa. Yes. And his milk too was unique in Haifa — they felt a taste of Gan Eden in the milk of — in Moshe's milk. (Saba laughs.) Segment 4 EN: Oy. I came to Rav Moshe Klein, and his wife did not want guests. She said to him: "Guests? Take them to a hotel! Yes — I cannot, I have no strength and I have no… I don't want guests." So it was like this — he went with me to a house, a hotel, and there I had… He gave me a bed. Yes. And something to eat and somewhere to sleep. Afterwards I went with him — he went at midnight. After midnight he went to the village, to be present at the milking — so that there should be no chalav akum, no gentile's milk. Nu. He had several — several canisters of milk. He took one and I took one, and we went together — the two of us — I with one canister and he with one canister, and we spoke of Rabbainu from house to house. Segment 5 EN: Oy. Yes. One sees that it is hard for a person — hard to do a mitzvah. Yes. And if he had given me money — so that I would have bread, so that I could send home something — he had enough money, he had money. He gave me — his gift to me was the hotel and the food and half a lira. That he gave me. And half a lira. Oy. Nu. Oy, oy, oy, oy. Yes. Segment 6 EN: I saw a Breslov Chassid from Poland — from Poland. Yes. Leverman — the father of Leverman. {Rav Volv} Leverman. He had a candle factory and he was wealthy and had houses. And he averted his eyes from me. Yes. He gave me a place to sleep, he gave me food to eat — but money he did not give. Yes. He was a miser with money. Yes. Segment 7 EN: And I saw that one who does not have the merit — they do not allow him to fulfill the mitzvah of tzedakah. Yes. I saw: if he had given me several liros to bring home — to me, so that I would have bread to eat — what — what was I looking for? Was I looking for something extra? Bread for the children, clothing for the children. Nu — if he had given me — he had money, he would have earned (zechiyos). Yes. And he did not give me — he did not give. He gave me… His giving was ten groshn. Yes. That he gave me. Yes. Segment 8 EN: Nu. I did not think about this, I did not — did not take it to heart, I had no resentment in my heart. This is how the Holy One Blessed Be He conducts the world. What — what — yes. One who does not have the merit — they give him the money: "No — don't you give to Yisroel Ber — only ten groshn." (Saba laughs.) Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. He should have given — he should have given me generously — tzedakah and money. For what did he serve? For what? For whom? For what? Yes. But no wisdom. Yes. What he — he earns money and has money — he has no dominion over himself, over the money. No. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 9 EN: Yes. Like this he is. Oy, oy, oy. And I — even so — I did not look at this, I did not look at the fact that he… however much he is Breslov, Breslov — however much, however much he is Breslov, he… Yes. In any case, however he is — he has no false beliefs anymore. In any case (Saba laughs) — he does not believe in Admo"rim. Yes. And in this I was together with him — very close. Yes. He is like me — he is distant — he does not, does not believe in false beliefs, in Admo"rim. But this is not enough. (Problem with the tape.) Segment 10 EN: They had no dress and no shoes for their feet, and I did not pay for them the money for — for the tuition of the school. And they were expelled every — every month they were expelled from the classroom, that they should not come until they bring money. Yes. (Saba laughs.) No bread and no shoes and no dress and no bread. And also they were expelled from the classroom. (Saba laughs.) Nu — can one imagine this sorrow? Such sorrow? Segment 11 EN: And blessed be Hashem — I did not submit myself to the falsehood. Yes. Blessed be Hashem — I was strong. I laughed at all of them. (Saba laughs.) Who can imagine the sorrow — the sorrow and the pain and the shame of one who has small children, and they have no bread to eat, and no clothing, and no school and nothing, and nothing…? Who can imagine such sorrow? Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 12 EN: Yes. Like this. I did not think about this — about Leverman, about Levi Yitzchak — why does he avert his eyes? Why? He should see — he should make the effort to gather tzedakah, to give… They knew that I — that I am unique in the world, I… Yes. And nothing — because they have no merit. Yes. And also I needed to pass through such a path (Saba laughs) — to see, to see what — what will become of you. (Saba laughs.) Who can imagine? Now I tell it and I — and I laugh and I am in joy. But then — who could have imagined my heart — the sorrow and the brokenheartedness that I had? I have small children — no school and no bread and no clothing and no shoes. Who can understand this? What sorrow is this? Yes. And I was a strong warrior and I did not submit myself — nothing, nothing — as if nothing at all. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 13 EN: The children — until today they are ashamed. When they hear — when such a thing is told — they immediately become ashamed. And then they were ashamed one before the other: what kind of father was this — they have no bread to eat and no dress, they have nothing… (Saba laughs.) Segment 14 EN: Yes. And like this I went to Sha'aray Chessed — to speak of Rabbainu — with this one and with that one, and with this one. Yes. And not… If I had said that I was suffering poverty — nu — Yerushalayim has many poor, what — what is there? Yes. (Saba laughs.) Oy — what am I… This what… Who can tell it? Who can imagine such things? I could have become a madman, or — or a thief, or — or… Such a thing? Can the mind imagine such a thing? There is a child, and he has no, and he has no clothing and no bread and… and no school. (Saba laughs.) Oy — the Master of the World knows the truth — that we — that I… However much I tell you — it still does not reach how it was. (Saba laughs.) Ah — and they remember, they… Segment 15 EN: and he would despise me — "What kind of question are you asking?" So I… But I — for the sake of… Because I wanted to have a connection with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — I strengthened myself with all my might and said — and said: "Whatever will be — even if he strikes me and despises me — I will ask the father, whatever will be." So I asked, and the father answered: "Yes, yes — there remains a portion, there remains a little cooked food from the meal. So give it to him, just bread — he, he will eat bread alone? Then give it to him." Segment 16 EN: So already I saw that this is Divine Providence from the Holy One Blessed Be He — beyond nature — that I should have a connection with this holy tzaddik. And so it was. They made the night — they said Birkas HaMazon and Krias Shema, and they lay down to sleep. And I — and Rebbe Yisroel — he sat on — on — on a step, one step of the house. And I gave him bread to eat. Yes. And he performed the washing of hands and made the blessing of "HaMotzi…" And when I heard the blessing from him — "al netillas yadayim" and "HaMotzi…" — I saw that this is right — this is a hidden tzaddik. Because such a blessing I had never heard — had never heard. I grew up among Chassidim and they — and they learn Torah and are yiray Hashem. But such a blessing I had not heard. And also a face — such a form as Rebbe Yisroel had — I had not seen, had not seen. Segment 17 EN: So, so I gave him — what had remained of our meal — so that he should eat, eat this. So he said to me: "I eat nothing at all — only bread and tea." But we had no tea, and we had no machine — no kerosene stove. Only — there was… Only the wealthy had a kerosene stove. But the poor used tin primus stoves, and this is a craft — one needs to know how, how to make fire. And I did everything and… Until I succeeded in lighting the fire and made tea. And each time I came into the house and spoke to Rebbe Yisroel — I did not know that he was a Breslover. I knew only that he was a hidden tzaddik. (Saba laughs.) Segment 18 EN: So I said to him softly, in secret, in his ear — I said to him: "Rebbe Yisroel… I did not know — 'You should know that you have come to Teveria for my sake. I am such and such — I want very much to serve Hashem in truth, and there have been upon me, and there are upon me, very hard battles. And I am searching — all my life I am searching for a place where they will guide me and illuminate — illuminate within me the light — the light of Hashem — so that I merit to serve Hashem in truth. So you have come to Teveria for my sake, and I beg you — do not leave me!'" Segment 19 EN: And I — I saw that he was very moved. Because right when he descended from the donkey — the Holy One Blessed Be He had brought him to me and he heard such words. (Saba laughs.) He, he, he had needed to travel earlier. But as long as he had no clear sign that he needed to travel to Teveria — he did not want to move from Meron. (Saba laughs.) Nu. Oy voy. Segment 20 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel — I must rest.] [More — two more minutes. You said that I should remind you — about the household members at the age of thirteen who quarreled with you — the household members who quarreled with you at age thirteen, at age thirteen.] Ah — that you should remind me. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Segment 21 EN: This was a very hard battle for me with — with — with all — with all the city — with all — with all the family. They all wanted — my father — [that you should learn a trade] — yes. And I said: "I will not learn any trade — only Torah and yiras Shamayim!" This — I did not want it in any way. And there was a hard battle, because there was great pity. They said: "You will… your father cannot work — he is blind and poor — and you will provide for the household. You are a child after your bar mitzvah — you can learn, learn a trade, and earn bread for the house. [And you won't be a rabbi.] And you won't be a rabbi — you don't have the talents." (Saba laughs.) Segment 22 EN: [Yes — you won't be a great rabbi, you don't have the talents.] And I did not want to listen. And everyone — all the city had great, great pity. "You have become bar mitzvah — you need to do — to learn a trade, to provide for the household." Nu. [So what did you say to them?] I said to them: "I will not learn any trade — in no way in the world." So… yes. Segment 23 EN: I told this to Rebbe Yisroel. So he was pleased — I saw he was very pleased by this. The Holy One Blessed Be He had prepared for him such a soul — one who wants only Torah, always. [So they said to you: "What will be with the wife? With the wife too you won't learn?"] Yes, yes — and the wife too. So I said: "Give me such a wife — a wife who will also eat bread — bread." (Saba laughs.) [You said: let Hashem give such a wife who will also eat bread and water.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 24 EN: This — this… I have not yet told it as — as — as… exactly as it was. Because it is impossible to describe the battle that I had in this. [With whom?] And Rebbe Yisroel heard this — I told him — [Ah — the battle with the parents] — the battle with the parents, the family, and all — and all the friends, and all the city. They all said that I needed to learn a trade — I was not capable of being — of being a Rosh Yeshivah or a rabbi. (Saba laughs.) [Admo"r, Admo"r.] Admo"r. Oy, oy, oy. Hey — from this one sees the compassion of the Creator Blessed Be He. Segment 25 EN: Seventy years ago — when Breslov was truly nothing, nothing, nothing — nothing — it is impossible to describe the magnitude of the humiliation and the… that was upon Breslov. And I stood against lions — against great scholars of Torah and of yira, well-known — and they all said: "Breslov — no." Rav Motl — Rav Motl (of Slonim)… This was great miracles. All the great ones in Teveria and the friends — I prayed with them, and Teveria is a small city and well-acquainted — I knew everyone, and they all said: "Breslov — he is Breslov — oy voy, oy voy." [He is being warned.] Yes. And I — the Holy One Blessed Be He — I merited through the kindness of the Holy One Blessed Be He to taste — to taste the flavor of Breslov, the taste of hisbodedus, the taste of the outpouring of the soul. (Saba laughs.) Segment 26 EN: Yes. And also I saw with my own eyes Rebbe Yisroel — I saw what Breslov is. [What did you see? What?] I saw his prayer, and his avodah, and his Shabbos, his holy words, his desires — how he, what he suffered for me. What did he suffer? He came to Teveria and found Yisroel Ber — so he already forgot that he had a family in Tzfas, and that there was Meron. He threw everything aside — everything — only Yisroel Ber. (Saba laughs.) Oy voy — what — what — what… What happened — such an act — this, this is particular, this is a particular wonder-thing, there is nothing — nothing like it. [Tell it, tell it.] Oy — nu — it is impossible to tell everything… Segment 27 EN: that he had eaten. Afterwards we went, we went — he (Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner) said to me he wants to go to a synagogue. Nu — I went with him to a synagogue. And along the way I spoke with him and told him my situation — the… yes. And he heard everything. And I wanted to say a verbal confession before him — vidduy devarim — and he did not want to hear it. He said it is forbidden — that it is forbidden. He — this… So I went to the synagogue of Chassidim of… [What is forbidden — what words are forbidden?] Ah? [What kind of words are forbidden?] [A verbal confession — vidduy devarim.] [Ah — vidduy devarim.] A verbal confession. [You wanted to confess before him verbally and he would not allow it.] No — only in general, not in… not in detail. [I understand.] Yes. [In general.] In general. So… Segment 28 EN: And I spoke with him and wept before him, because I wanted so much — and I felt that there was with him healing, healings for me — and that he should not abandon me, that he should not, that he should not leave me, that he should not go to Meron. (Saba laughs.) So I wept before him and said — I pleaded with him — that he should not leave me. And he heard such a thing. And I saw that he was [moved] — so moved — because he saw eye to eye [the Providence of Hashem] that the Providence of the Holy One Blessed Be He had brought him to Teveria. He came to Teveria straight from the donkey — the moment he descended from it — straight to my house. And afterwards I went with him to a synagogue. Segment 29 EN: And all the synagogues were locked, and I did not know where the key was — only one synagogue that was in Teveria from the students of the Baal Shem Tov, and from the grandfather of the holy Rabbainu — Rav Nachman Horodenker — Rav Klisker — all these holy tzaddikim built a synagogue at the edge of the lake (yam) so that they could immerse in the lake and pray during the day whenever they wished — so that it would be close to the lake. They built the synagogue close to the lake. And the lake — in winter when there were many rains — the lake rose and entered this synagogue until — until half the tables. The lake was in the synagogue, and one could not pray there. And this synagogue was open — the tables and chairs stood in the water until it went down — until… until the month of Nissan — until the waters went down. Segment 30 EN: So we entered this synagogue, and we climbed up onto a table and studied Torah — Torah Zayin from Part Two: "For He leads them with compassion…" And he studied with me this Torah all night long. And I merited — all my life I had not felt the taste of Torah, the taste of yiras Shamayim, the taste of… as in that night when he studied with me this Torah — this holy Torah — "For He leads them with compassion." Hey — we were in the synagogue with the lake within it all night long, and I did not feel that… you need to sleep. [He had candles also in his bag.] And he also had candles and matches — which in those days was something precious. And he was wealthy — and he had candles. He lit a candle and studied with me from Likutay Moharan until close to the light of dawn. Segment 31 EN: Until I heard the sound of weeping of my mother — she was weeping greatly, as one after a death. She wept greatly: "Oy — my son, my son — my son Yisroel Ber — my son Yisroel Ber is lost, is lost!" (Saba laughs.) And I heard it. So I said to Rebbe Yisroel: "Oy voy — it is already after midnight, after… and my mother is searching, is looking for me." So I went out of the synagogue and went to my mother — I walked toward her voice. I reached her, and I said to her: "What is all this weeping?" So she said: "What have you done? Where — where did you go the whole night? In any case — you know now, all… they have to throw out all the dough — all the challah and all the bread." (Saba laughs.) Segment 32 EN: Nu. And from that night there arose a commotion in Teveria — that night, that night (Saba laughs). [That night — different from all nights.] Yisroel Ber became a Breslover. Yes. [Bar mitzvah.] She told — the neighbors from the surroundings came in the morning: "What was all the weeping? What? What? What was this?" [What happened here?] What happened? So she told: "A man bought bread and went with him [all night] and disappeared — and did not return all night." And… They did not know who this was. Segment 33 EN: But in the morning when I went to the synagogue and Rebbe Yisroel was in the synagogue and I spoke with him — then they said: "Nu — already — what was made has been made on that night." (Saba laughs.) That night. Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. Afterwards on Sunday we went to the yeshivah — he studied with me, and we studied the books of Rabbainu, and Gemara and Shulchan Aruch — poskim. Nu. And they saw — oy voy: "Yisroel Ber — Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover. Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner is…" Nu. Segment 34 EN: A machlokes rose against me — a great battle. [Tell everything.] And the father and the mother and the close family and all — and all the yeshivah and everyone. [What did they do?] Ah? [What did they do? What was the machlokes? What? They spoke? They shouted? They hit? What did they do?] Segment 35 EN: Hey — they… It is impossible to describe [describe it] and to imagine. They had — they had great pity. Only — only this they said: "Oy voy — Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover — Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover." Nu. They went from the yeshivah — they went to the parents, to the father and the mother, and told them: "Do you know? Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover." So the father said: "I am not worried — I know my son. He honors his father and mother. He — even if it appeared that I would send him into fire — there is, there is no equal to him. You know him — he is yiras Shamayim, he fulfills the mitzvah of honoring his father. So I — he will come from the yeshivah, and I will tell him that I don't want — and he will certainly not be a Breslover. I have no concern." Segment 36 EN: So they — they trembled: "You don't know what Breslov is? He won't listen to you — you need a heavy battle." So he said: "I am not worried — I know my son." I came from the yeshivah — so the father said to me: "I heard from everyone in the yeshivah — Rav Motl (of Slonim) and everyone came and said that you have become a Breslover. Know, my son — have mercy on me. I do not want you to be a Breslover. I want you to be whatever Chassid you want — but not — only not Breslov!" Segment 37 EN: So I said to him: "Father — I — I — you know, you recognize me. I — I honor my father and mother. In this — I will not listen to you." Ah. So he said: "You are right — they told me I do not know what Breslov is." This was the first time in my life — the first time — that I heard that I — that… I did not — I did not want to fulfill his words. Oy, oy voy, oy — what happened then? What happened? What happened? Now one can tell — the rabbi, the rabbi — and Rav Motl (of Slonim) and all — and all — and all the Chassidim — all the… All the city was already boiling… Segment 38 EN: [Minchah.] Ah — Minchah — Minchah — yoy, yoy… Segment 39 EN: I told you that Rav Motl (of Slonim) was a great scholar — and he had good character traits. He was humble and he studied by day and by night. And he was a wondrous man — a truly wonderful person. And he — even though I was a child, I had a weak mind — but he loved me. Me — my simplicity — and my good desires. He drew me close and elevated me: "He raises the poor from the dust…" Segment 40 EN: It is a wonderful and awesome story — whoever truly pays attention. And so I said: "It is fitting and very important to tell and record everything that has passed over me from the day I came to my senses." Because this is a continuation — from when I came to my senses until — until I merited to draw close to the holy Rabbainu — this is one continuous matter — one act. [One — one — this is one thing.] The act began from then. [From childhood.] Segment 41 EN: But this — this continues and this is a continuation now. The Holy One Blessed Be He favored me and gave me such a soul — that from the day I came to my senses, when I was still a small child — I had, I had — my heart burning greatly for the service of Hashem, and to be… to merit yiras Shamayim and emunah. And that I should merit — in all — the main thing of my yearning and my will was to purify myself from vanities, from desires — from all the desires of this world — only to serve Hashem. Segment 42 EN: But certainly when I was a small child I knew nothing at all. But the soul — the soul yearned greatly. Even though I knew nothing at all — but my desires and my heart — there was, there was burning in my heart — only for the service of Hashem. And not to engage in labor — in any trade or work. My father was poor all his days, and afterwards he became blind. And I was still a child — a small child. Oy voy — Master of the World. And I had yearnings to afflict my soul, to fast — from the time I was still young. [At what age?] Ah? [At what age?] At what age — seven, eight years. [You would fast at age seven, eight?] Ah? [You would fast at age seven, eight?] Segment 43 EN: No — only Erev Rosh Chodesh, or — or Elul, in the time — in the time of the Days of Repentance — Elul. And for example Erev Rosh Chodesh — I wanted to fast. And my mother was a very devoted mother — and it was impossible — she had great sorrow: "What is this with you? You are still a small child — what? You are fasting?" So I could not {bear to} listen to her — and I fasted every Rosh Chodesh half the day. But — but in the month of Elul? Erev Rosh Chodesh Elul? The whole day! Segment 44 EN: And I caused great sorrow to my mother over this. In any case more passed over me… It is known that for everything holy, the Ba'al Davar — the Adversary — strengthens itself. I had a very great strengthening of the desires of this world from one side, and from the other side I was yiras Shamayim and my life was bitter to me — no — there was — what… I felt a great pleasantness. Oy, oy voy. So I searched for God-fearing people — people of truth — among the Chassidim among whom I grew up. Because then I knew nothing of the holy Rabbainu. Segment 45 EN: So I searched among… Even though I belonged to the chassidus of Karlin — but I thought: perhaps I will find in Slonim, perhaps I will find in some other place. So I am connected to… I am connected only to the Holy One Blessed Be He — wherever I feel, wherever I see that it works upon me, that the light of Hashem pervades me. Yoy. Segment 46 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel — there is a greeting for you.] Ah. [From Rebbe Nachman from Russia.] Ah — Nachman? How? [I met him at…] [Continue, Rebbe Yisroel, yes.] Segment 47 EN: Nu. And I searched among the Chassidim of Karlin and of Slonim and other people. For example — there was, there was in Teveria one man well-known until this very day — that he was — his name was Rav, Rav Hirsh — Rav Tzvi Litvak Rosenthal. Rav Tzvi Litvak Rosenthal. [Rav Tzvi Litvak Rosenthal.] And he was yiras Shamayim and he studied many mussar books. And "Raishis…" — and the book "Raishis Chochmah" he knew by heart. And he studied it constantly — he studied the book "Raishis Chochmah" with great diligence. And I was searching for a place to guide me — to illuminate within it — to illuminate within me yiras Shamayim and emunah. So I attached myself to him. And he became a teacher for me without pay. He studied with me "Raishis Chochmah" and spoke with me like this by heart. And there was a great bond between us. Segment 48 EN: [But you weren't doing hisbodedus then? You didn't know about hisbodedus and these things?] I saw in the book "Raishis Chochmah" and in other mussar books about the great — about the greatness of the power of prayer. Certainly I prayed to the Holy One Blessed Be He. But the matter of hisbodedus I did not know about — I only knew that prayer is a very great thing. So I said a lot of Tehillim. And my prayer — every day the three daily prayers — I prayed with great kavana and with deveykus and yiras Shamayim. Segment 49 EN: In Teveria there was a man from the Chassidim of… no… one man who was an upright person and loved God-fearing Jews. So he saw my prayer — that it was different from all the other children. He saw that I pray with kavana, and with deveykus, and with truth — with simplicity. So I found favor in his eyes. [What was he called?] Rav Yaakov Kasir. [Rav Yaakov Kasir.] Yaakov Kasir — that was the family name: Kasir. He was a great miser — but to me he gave every time — almost every day — he gave me a coin, a coin. And in those days this was an important, an important coin. And he gave it to me in the middle of the prayer — while I was praying he brought it to me, gave it to me in secret — so that people should not notice that he gave it to me. Segment 50 EN: So I was a poor child, and I had a will — a strong will — that I should have a siddur that would have in it Chatzos and Tehillim and Ma'amados and all — and all the other prayers. There is such a siddur. But such a siddur cost — cost a lot of money. And I had no money. So I took these coins — that this man gave me — he gave me each time — and I collected them. And I did not give them to my father. And I bought with them a book — a siddur that has all kinds of prayers in the world: Chatzos and Tehillim and Ma'amados and all… and many prayers. And this was for me like great wealth — this siddur was important to me. Segment 51 EN: In any case — I will shorten until… No. [Anything that takes a year — I don't mind — it doesn't burn anyone — if one does it one must do the work perfectly.] Yes. Nu. I — I will begin to tell — [No — don't continue — no — it doesn't burn anyone — this is not a race — there is time.] Nu — this is already — already included in these words — almost everything is included. [Not yet.] Segment 52 EN: I had strong desires and I had heavy battles and I searched for a place of salvation — but not… [And after you bought that siddur? Did you do Chatzos?] After I bought the siddur? Not every night. But I had strong desires to rise at Chatzos at midnight and call out Tehillim. Sometimes I rose. But I remember that in Teveria the air was very hot — and all… and the heat was so intense during the day that at night it was also very hot — because the stones had heated up from the sun. And there was great heat. And all the city slept on the rooftops — on the roof. And I too — also. But I rose several hours before — before the light of dawn — and I descended from the roof into the house. And our house had no windows — no, no… it was like a cave. And I descended from the roof… # Tape 12G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/20/ Tape 12G, Side Bais קסטה 12G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/20 Segment 1 EN: [Moshe is already doing it — he — he is already doing this.] Yes. [Yes — and this is wondrous — wondrous good — it comes out wondrous good.] Yes. [Wondrous — wondrous — it comes out — it comes out a clear matter — "Na Nach Nachma — MayUman."] "Na Nach… Nachman…" ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — sorry — I forgot the quadruple.] (Saba laughs.) [Good — all good — Saba.] All good. [May you also have health — thank you greatly.] Segment 2 EN: Ah? (Saba laughs.) When he came to Uman — they saw his hisbodedus — his hisbodedus. He said: "Master of the Universe — how does one merit to be a Jew?" (Saba laughs.) As if he had not yet tasted — tasted — being a Jew. (Saba laughs.) And we — may the Holy One Blessed Be He have mercy upon us — that we merit to draw close to him — to learn his books — and to fulfill every word that he revealed. Oy — this — this is a matter of wonder — a wondrous matter — as has never before been in the world. Every word of the holy Rabbainu is a matter — it is a wondrous matter — of all the wonders. Yes. And not to think {too much} — the holy Rabbainu had mercy upon us and revealed to us a drop from the sea of matter — of his matters — of the matter of his greatness. And this greatness — this is our remedies. However much the holy Rabbainu spoke — there is (not understood) joy — in particular the joy of the holy Shabbos — on the holy Shabbos — there will be joy beyond our minds — such joy. Because the holy Rabbainu — in all his holy words and Torah teachings and stories — still not yet revealed in the world at all. And this will be revealed — and the world will be entirely different. (Saba laughs.) But we will see — we will see this light of the redemption — we will see. Yes. And so the whole world will see what now exists in the world. (Saba laughs.) Now the time has come to be revealed — to be revealed in the world. One sees that the Communists were so strong — he — he is already in the grave. And the holy Rabbainu — this was closed — Uman was a singular city in the world — all — all the world knows of this — closed — there was not… It was possible to reach America — to France — to the whole world. Nu — to Uman? No — no — no — no — no. Suddenly Uman opened to the whole world — {whoever wants may come}. (Saba laughs.) One sees such a miracle — a thing that the whole world knows was closed and was not — and there was no possibility of even thinking that there would be — that perhaps it would be open. And now it opened to the whole world — and the whole world — and the whole world will reach — will come to Rabbainu for rectification — the whole world. Yes — each and every one of us — the whole world needs rectification. And the rectification is with Rabbainu — the holy Rabbainu — he will {rectify} the whole world. And he will rectify — he will rectify the whole world — he will rectify us. He will rectify. (Saba laughs.) Nu — nu — from where — from where are you? Where do you live? Here? Only emunah — emunah. {Yes.} Segment 3 EN: …To learn. (not understood) Difficult? The more difficult — the better. One needs — there is — there is… One needs — {if one gives} before the Holy One Blessed Be He everything — all the powers — all the… Everything — everything to the Holy One Blessed Be He. [He cannot — he cannot succeed in sitting to learn.] Nu — so prayer — prayers are worthwhile — Likutay Tfilos. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy — oy. To cast away our wisdoms and to rely on the Holy One Blessed Be He — on — and on the tzaddikim. And everything will be arranged. [What?] Yes. The holy Rabbainu said in the conversations — there is a matter… Like this — in this language: "Yesh inyan shenishtapach hakol l'tovah — there is a matter that everything pours out for good." (Saba laughs.) [Where?] That it pours out. Difficult? So it will be — it will become easy. Only — we need to accept everything with love and to serve Hashem in truth and in simplicity. Not — not to be wise — to cast away all our wisdoms. [To cast away what?] Yes — to cast away all our wisdoms. [Wisdoms.] The wisdoms of Torah and mitzvos — the holy Rabbainu reveals to us how to merit Torah and emunah and everything — all good — all salvations — and all rectifications — all salvations. The holy Rabbainu has already — already prepared everything for us — he said. [He has no — he has no power to learn? He does not learn with joy — he has no joy when he learns.] He has no power? [He has no joy either.] Let him strengthen himself. [He has no joy — joy.] Joy? [When he learns.] Emunah — emunah in Hashem. "Yismechu v'Hashem." Nu — we have reason to rejoice — in particular that the holy Rabbainu is already in the world. There is more. (Saba laughs.) [So what does one need to do?] He is already in the world — he can already — more — nothing — nothing is worthwhile — nothing — all the money and all the desires and all the pride and all — everything. He purifies explicitly: "Ani nahar hametahayr mikol haktemim." (Saba laughs.) He purifies us. [What?] He renews and purifies us — he rectifies us. But if the world is wise in his own eyes — he does not receive. He makes wisdoms. Nu — it becomes — it becomes spoiled. [How?] The main thing is emunah — to cast away all the wisdoms. [What wisdoms — what wisdoms?] All — all the wisdoms — all the wisdoms in the world. Only what is written in Likutay Moharan — how to merit Torah and the fulfillment of Torah. He — he teaches there how to merit already — with wonders — wonders that have not — that have not yet been revealed in the world. Yes. We are completely far from this — he draws us close — he inserts in us the light of Torah and everything — and emunah and rectifications — everything — everything — everything. Yes — the holy Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) And if it is difficult? It will be difficult! (Saba laughs.) Whoever does not want to receive — if one does not want to receive — only to be wise and to investigate — what is this — what is the meaning — like this he said. If he said this — then already — all — all the wise ones and… Yes — everything became nullified. He said like this — everything that he said — I believe. The halachah — "Halochoh k'Rav Nachman" — and "Halochoh k'Rav Nachman" — and "Halochoh k'Nachmani." At no tzaddik — not — is there such a challenge — such a language — Gemara: "Halachtoh k'Rav Nachman." What — everything that he says — the halachah is — the halachah is. Yes. This is the law — like this. And if one does not want to receive — he wants to be wise himself — fine — let him do what he — what he… (Saba laughs.) This is a matter — a matter. [That he should have power to learn.] The matter of Rabbainu — it is such a wondrous matter — not yet revealed in the world. He is ti… Look in Chayay Moharan — his conversations. And also his conversations — one needs to overcome — to direct oneself in emunah — in truth — and not to be wise. We are completely far from Hashem. And the holy Rabbainu — he does such wonders with us — he — he turns everything — he rectifies. (Saba laughs.) This depends on our hearts — if we want — if we do not want to accept what Rabbainu said. If one does not want to accept — nu — the holy Rabbainu nonetheless occupies himself with his rectification. Even though he — even though he — as he is. But he — everything is according to the reckoning and according to the heart — according to emunah. So one merits all good — one merits all salvations. And all salvations — this is Rabbainu! (Saba laughs.) All the salvations of every one of Yisroel — in every day and every moment — are with Rabbainu. Yes. So one needs — one needs to accept upon himself. If one does not want to accept — then… Segment 4 EN: …{There was a time} — one is forbidden to have second thoughts about one's Rebbe. [About what?] About — one is forbidden to have second thoughts about one's Rebbe. Forbidden — if he — if he… What is this? (not understood) Rebbe — Rebbe. He is my Rebbe and yours and of all Yisroel. He is the Rebbe. "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — the initial letters of RaBi. This the holy Rabbainu revealed in Likutay Moharan. He is the "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" and he is the RaBi. He is our Rebbe. Like this — yes. And also one should make: "R'sho'im B'choshech Yidamu" — the initial letters of RaBi. "Resho'im b'choshech yidamu" — this is the initial letters of RaBi. There are wicked ones who cannot help us — and they say that they — that they are the true tzaddikim of the generation. This is falsehood — for this reason we are in such exile. The falsehood grows powerful. But the falsehood will fall and the truth will stand! Yes. (Saba laughs.) Only — if we had nothing but one Torah teaching of Rabbainu — "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — the initial letters of RaBi — he revealed this. He is the RaBi and he is the "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel." He is our Rebbe — of all Yisroel! Yes. [One needs to learn.] Yes — the main thing is — about — about the true Rebbe and tzaddik — the "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — he is the main thing. He is what illuminates in us the Torah and the mitzvos and all the rectifications that we need. [Rebbe Yisroel.] What? [How is it better to learn — with depth — or with breadth?] What? [What is better to learn? When one learns Gemara — in depth?] How to write? [How does one need to learn? In depth or in breadth?] How? [To learn.] To learn? [To learn Torah — in what manner?] Torah? [Yes — how does one need to learn Torah?] The tzaddik — he illuminates in us how to learn the Torah and how to fulfill the Torah — and everything. Cast away our wisdoms. [But Gemara — how does one need to learn it?] He is learning Torah — is there still such a thing in the world? Not yet revealed in the world — and this will be revealed in the future. And this is all our life-force and our hope. He rectifies and heals us — and sick ones such as these for whom there is no hope — it is impossible — it is impossible to help such sick ones. And the holy Rabbainu — he heals us and rectifies us and renews us — everything… To speak — but I am far from all this. If I had merited — I would have been able to draw the whole world close to the Holy One Blessed Be He. One word of Rabbainu — it is — it is the root of all the Torah and all the mitzvos of each and every one of the Jews — of Yisroel. Like this. I am not afraid to speak of this — I am not — I am not saying this. He says it — the holy Rabbainu said it. He told the story of the Ba'al Tefilah and the Shiva Begglers — and also the Torah teachings — the Likutay Moharan — the Likutay Aytzos — the Likutay Halachos — such students — Rebbe Nassan — and all his students. A matter of the future — not of now. But it will be — it will be — it will be good. Segment 5 EN: …The holy Rabbainu says in Sefer HaMidos in this language: "One who is wise in his own eyes…" Yes — it is hard for him. Yes — like this: "It is hard for him to come to yiras Shamayim." Yiras Shamayim — this is the entire foundation of — of the Torah and of all of Judaism and of all the world. Segment 6 EN: …The holy Rabbainu revealed: "Rosh Bnay Yisroel" — the initial letters of RaBi. He is the "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — he is our Rebbe. One is forbidden to have second thoughts about him — to accept everything — not to be wise. Segment 7 EN: …You are Michael. [Yes.] Ah? [Michael.] Nu — ah. Segment 8 EN: …He is the true Rebbe — "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — the initial letters of RaBi. [But one needs to learn.] Good — good — good. Do what you want. [No — but…] I am not forcing you. Good — remain with your wisdoms and with — and with — and with your scholarship and with all your wisdoms. Not worth anything. [Does one need to be a scholar or not?] Segment 9 EN: Wisdoms {of Torah} — yes. And the wisdoms of Torah — only in order to fulfill and to understand the Torah — to fulfill the Torah. What there is to work and to fulfill. Segment 10 EN: …[(not understood — he speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] In Torah — we have rabbis — holy righteous tzaddikim. [(not understood — he speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] They can illuminate for us all the Torah. Through their power we can draw close to the Holy One Blessed Be He and… [(not understood — he speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] The heart — our heart — our heart is enough for us. It gives us light and life-force on every matter — on all the matters of Torah. Only truth — emunah. [(not understood — he speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] Mashiach is already here — he will explain to us how to live and how to do teshuvah and how to learn. (Saba laughs.) [(not understood — he speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] Ashreynu — Ashreynu — Ashreynu. (not understood) Segment 11 EN: …(Saba laughs.) In Paris — all our wisdoms — only the wisdoms of Torah — the wisdoms of the true tzaddikim. [(not understood — he speaks with Saba in Yiddish)] Segment 12 EN: (not understood) Why did they do this to you? [This — nothing.] Segment 13 EN: …Can you sleep here? [Yes?] As you wish — if you want. He is ready — like this — like this he said to me. [Yes — thank you greatly.] He will arrange another bed. [Yes.] And you can sleep here — if — if you want. [Perhaps — perhaps.] And also one must be a very mighty warrior — if these — even sons and wife. [Yes.] That all of them believe in Torah and fulfill the Torah. [True.] Yes. And to be a warrior — not to look at anything. In any case — I? I am the master of the house. Yes. I can do what I want — you do what you want — I do what I want. We are Jews — we received the Torah. Our holy forebears fulfilled the Torah before it was even given. Our forebears — Avraham — Yitzchak — and Yaakov — Moshe — Aharon — Yosef — Dovid — and all the tzaddikim — were warriors. So we need to walk as they teach us the Torah. [Yes — because she — yesterday — Saba — yesterday we spoke — she agreed to give me all the charity money.] Ah? [She agreed to give me all the charity money — I spoke with my wife.] With whom did you speak? [We spoke a little yesterday.] With whom did you speak? [With my wife — I spoke with my wife yesterday.] Ah. [She agreed to give all the charity money only to me — I will do what she wants with the money.] {If so} — let her make you the master of the house — of the house — master of the house. [Yes.] You and she — both of you need the apartment. The building needs to be written in both your names — in your name and in her name. [Yes.] Not that you should be a slave — she will give you even charity. [Yes.] No — no — not a slave — master of the house. [Yes.] If not — then this is not — this is not anything — not worthwhile — not worth anything. Not the sons and not — and not all {the children}. This is against the Torah. {Yes.} And we need to believe in Hashem — that He created the world — and He gave us the Torah. What is this? Whoever does not believe — he is a non-Jew. Whoever — whoever does not believe and does not fulfill the Torah — he does not want to fulfill the Torah — then he is not a Jew. [Yes.] We have no business with him — no connection — no business with him. "Ashrei ha'ish asher lo halach b'atzas resho'im — uv'derech chato'im lo omad — uv'moshav letzim lo yoshov." What is this? We need to be warriors — not to look at the whole world — only at the Torah and at the Holy One Blessed Be He. [Yes.] On the fulfillment of the Torah. Yes. One needs to be very mighty warriors. What? The building — is it not written for both — in both your names? Ah? [Yes — yes — written for both of us.] So good. [This is written for both of us.] Good — good. The defense attorney saw. [He thought that you know.] [She wants to change this.] Ah? [She wants — now she wants to go to a lawyer to change — so that the apartment be written only in her name — she wants.] She cannot — she cannot. They need {to act on your behalf} — he registered it in both your names. [Yes.] So this is half — half is yours — yours. [Yes — yes — Saba — I spoke with Tziporah yesterday — with Tziporah.] With Tziporah. [Yes.] When? [Yesterday at night.] Nu. [She told me that she is sick — she cannot come — she is not feeling well.] Yes? [Yes.] Is she at home? [Yes — she is at home.] Nu. [So I said — that you want her to come for the purpose of…] Ah. [But she said.] Tziporah? [Yes — perhaps tomorrow she can.] Good — good — good. It is good that you told me. [Yes.] Where did Michael go? [He went — he had a phone call.] [He called — he called.] Do you know the number of [Ornshtein?] Of Ornshtein? Do you have it? [At home — no — no — not on me.] Segment 14 EN: (not understood) They wrote "Na Nach" — so it became — it became the opposite. (Saba laughs.) It became — there is a matter. [That everything…] Ah? [That everything will turn for good.] "Shenishtapach hakol l'tovah" — that everything pours out for good. (Saba laughs.) {I said to her} that it pours out for good. Yes — it poured out. If we felt a drop from the sea — how we must rejoice. And the holy Rabbainu teaches us to draw out the difficulties. He teaches us joy — joy — joy — joy — joy — dances — dances — dances. (Saba laughs.) And Rav Avraham ben Rebbe Nachman — he made nigunim. He was in hisbodedus every day. He was a holy tzaddik — tzaddik. Yes — a man of truth — not falsehood — clear truth. He said — he made each time a different niggun. He brought a new niggun. Segment 15 EN: So he brought life-force into the distant wicked ones — he inserted in them great light — "Bach…" We as we are — but Rabbainu. Segment 16 EN: So — to this day the niggun "Bach Rabbainu Nagila…" has remained. And this has much meaning. Yes. We as we are — so we have no hope — none — no rectification — no remedy. There is no remedy — such illnesses — there is no remedy. But Rav Avraham ben Rebbe Nachman found that Rabbainu can heal all illnesses. So it became — so he took this niggun. Segment 17 EN: If — if not for this — the whole world would have been destruction — the whole world would have been filled with heresy — and the world would have been {destroyed}. The holy Rabbainu — with one word of his — inserts emunah — emunah — in all the world. Inserts rectifications in all the world. Remedies in all the world. Salvations in all the world. To everyone. "Come to me — only come to me to Uman." (Saba laughs.) Hi. We fell — on one side — and became very distant. And the holy Rabbainu spoke of this — of what? What goes on in the world — heresy and — and they — they — Heaven forfend — more — more worse than everything. They are heresy and disbelief. So Rabbainu — so the Holy One Blessed Be He saw that Rabbainu is necessary — this {at the head} — this. He can illuminate in us emunah and teshuvah and remedies. He renews us. Every word of his — he can conquer the whole world. The scholars — they know nothing — only pride and honor and money — {money}. And the holy Rabbainu — he is only emunah and trust. (Saba laughs.) He — and he heals us as we are. "Only come to me — I can heal you." (Saba laughs.) Hi. {Saba recites the blessing: "Borei minei mezonos…"} [Amen.] As we are — we would have been — Heaven for… — I would have been — Heaven forfend — a donkey — I would not have known anything of the Holy One Blessed Be He and the Torah — of — of — of the true life. Yes. Ho — ho. Only come to me — draw close to me. I made Likutay Moharan in your merit. Such Torah teachings — such conversations. Every conversation is the generality of all the Torah. The holy Rabbainu says this. Not — not what — what am I? Can I speak such words? The holy Rabbainu revealed it — and this is truth and right and correct. The whole world — "Halochoh k'Rav Nachman" — "Halachtoh k'Rav Nachman" — the halachah. At no other Tanna — there are not — not — not — not such words as "Halachtoh k'Rav Nachman" — and "Halachtoh k'Rav Nachman" — and "Halachtoh k'Nachmani." What is this? For what? Not to be (not understood). This is a hint. If we say all the days of our lives: "Halachtoh k'Rav Nachman" — (not understood) — and he — and he is such a light that makes such wonders — he does such mighty deeds in the world. Were it not for this — Heaven forfend — the whole world would have been full of heresy — and there would not have remained — Heaven forfend — not Torah — and not emunah — and not anything. And not — not would we have had anything. (Saba laughs.) Oy — come to me — so through this you will draw close to the Holy One Blessed Be He — to Torah. Yes. And there will be for you a complete healing — a complete teshuvah. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Such has not yet been in the world — such Torah teachings — such stories — such conversations — such students — Rebbe Nassan. Rebbe Nassan — this is the student of the holy Rabbainu. Rebbe Nassan. And he was a gaon and a tzaddik — such a gaon. His father-in-law was a world-renowned gaon — Rebbe Dovid Tzvi. [Yes.] All the world — he was — he was the rabbi over — over a great area… # Tape 13G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/21/ Tape 13G, Side Aleph קסטה 13G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/21 Segment 1 EN: Oy — come to me — so through this you will draw close to the Holy One Blessed Be He — to Torah. Yes. And there will be for you a complete healing — a complete teshuvah. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Such has not yet been in the world — such Torah teachings — such stories — such conversations — such students — Rebbe Nassan. Rebbe Nassan — this is the student of the holy Rabbainu. Rebbe Nassan. And he was a gaon and a tzaddik — such a gaon. His father-in-law was a world-renowned gaon — Rebbe Dovid Tzvi. [Yes.] All the world — he was — he was the rabbi over — over a great area in Russia. More — more — the holy Rabbainu spoke about him. He was a gaon. The holy Rabbainu said to Rebbe Nassan: "Your father-in-law is a gaon and a tzaddik!" (Saba laughs.) He is not a gaon for his own sake — for a name — for honor — for… He is a gaon. And even so — he did not know of Rabbainu. He knew… Segment 2 EN: Who is this? Who is this? [Yisroel Meir.] Yisroel Meir? [Yoy.] (Saba laughs.) What is news from Russia? [Blessed be Hashem.] (Saba laughs.) Can one travel? [Yes — yes.] To Russia? [Soon there will be a plane to Kishinev.] Ah? [Soon — in two weeks' time there will be flights to Kishinev — Kishinev — Kishinev.] Kishinev? [Kishinev. (not understood — the friend speaks with Saba in Yiddish.)] (Saba laughs.) They will come — all the world will come to Uman — this — (not understood) — the miracles and wonders that will be at the time of redemption now — more — more than the redemption from Egypt. I saw this in the Zohar. [Yes.] Segment 3 EN: …That he should merit to raise him to Torah — to the wedding canopy — and to good deeds. [Amen.] And all salvations. [Amen.] Segment 4 EN: …Perhaps to give me some place to be there near the synagogue — to hear Kaddish and the… Yes. Ask him. [I will ask him.] Perhaps he — perhaps he will agree. [Fine — I will ask him.] Good. Segment 5 EN: …The Land of Yisroel is a holy land — we are a holy people. Yes. This is ours — all the world — they are — they are the land of the nations — not the Land of Yisroel. Only here — the Land of Yisroel. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 6 EN: …I had some coins — some pennies. I gave to him — yes. And blessed be Hashem I paid him. But he gave me the book: "When you have money — bring it to me." Yes — like this it was. [All who have compassion on people — people have compassion on him.] All the beauty — such was the printing of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — there was such beauty — and the binding was. [And where is this now? Where is this now?] Ah? [Where is this?] I do not know. There was such a binding and such paper — one does not see such beauty. Yes. And blessed be Hashem — how the Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy upon me — and I found such a book — the printing of Rebbe N… of Rebbe Yisroel — such beauty and such a binding. And he gave me: "When you have money — bring it to me." He gave me it — he understood that I very much need this book. He understood this. And he had a battle in his heart. What — if he sells the book — there is none other. Everyone knew — they do not print — because no one buys. (Saba laughs.) Likutay Tfilos — who — who would say Likutay Tfilos? (Saba laughs.) [And did you use this? Rebbe Yisroel?] And he gave me the book — a strong battle. Yes. He — (a problem with the tape) — he could have earned much — because it was impossible to obtain — impossible to buy. So not — not did they print. I had Likutay Tfilos from several printings from outside the country. Yes. There was such beauty — such grace — such awakening. But I gave it away. Not — not did I keep it. I gave this as gifts for bar mitzvahs. There was — there were some books for me — three — two or three books. Yes — I bought and gave — I bought — and I have none — not one has remained for me. I gave as a gift to the people of our circle — bar mitzvah — bridegroom. So I gave gifts. And I remained without. There was — the printing was so beautiful — there was not — there was not… [You have no Likutay Tfilos.] And the book — {he could have} — and I loved the people of our circle. What? He has a bar mitzvah — and I will not give a gift? I have no money. I took a book of Likutay Tfilos and gave it to him. Shimon Anshin — do you know him? [Yes.] Ah? [Yes.] I gave him for his bar mitzvah — I gave him such a book of Likutay Tfilos. (Saba laughs.) This is already over seventy years now. Is it possible to contact my daughter Tziporah? [Yes.] Do you know the number? [Yes — yes.] Tell her that you saw me. [Yes.] And I greatly long to hear from them — what — what is their welfare — how is everyone. [Fine — fine.] If possible. [Yes — yes — possible — I — I will pass on the message to her — yes.] Segment 7 EN: …[They were the students of the Maggid. They were the students — the Noam Elimelech was the student of the Maggid of Mezeritch.] Of what? [Of the Maggid of Mezeritch — of the Maggid of Mezeritch — the Maggid — the great Maggid — the student of the Ba'al Shem Tov. So the Noam Elimelech was his student.] Yes? [Yes.] Of? [Of the Maggid.] Ah? [Of the Maggid of Mezeritch — the Maggid. Have you not heard of the Maggid? Rav Nachum of Chernobyl — great ones — great ones of the world.] Great ones. [So they were once in a house — in the synagogue — engaged in a passage in the Zohar — to understand the Zohar. And all — and they stood for many hours — many hours — and they did not manage to understand the Zohar. And in the afternoon Rebbe Zusha entered the beis medrash and asked them… So he saw that they were working hard and not understanding. So he asked them: "What — what is the problem?"] Yoy. [So they told him: that there is a difficult difficulty from the Zohar — and so — he asked them: "What is the difficulty?" So they told him — that is it. He went to a corner there — and began to weep before the Holy One Blessed Be He — that he wants to understand this. So — so Rebbe Shimon came to him and told him the answer.] Yes? [Yes — he told him all the answer. They did not see this. Rebbe Shimon came and told him the entire answer from the Zohar. Afterwards he went to them from the corner and told them the…] the explanation. [Rebbe Zusha — you are such a simple person — how do you know? So he said that he prayed to Hashem — he wept to Hashem.] (Saba laughs.) [So Rebbe Shimon came and told him the answer. Nu — how much one can merit through hisbodedus. They were wise and did not succeed.] I heard a story of Rebbe Zusha — he went wandering. [Exile — yes.] From city to city — they did not recognize him. [Yes.] And he sat at night and always there was Torah — and he learned. And there was one rich man who sent him — with his son — a breakfast. [Yes.] He sent him always — the rich man. The rich man knew that he was sending him every day. [Yes.] A good meal — a good thing — eggs and olives and butter. Yes — he was sending him a good meal. And Rebbe Zusha was saying to the Holy One Blessed Be He: "Master of the Universe — Zusha — Zusha is hungry. [Hungry.] Give him to eat." So the rich man heard how Rebbe Zusha says to the Holy One Blessed Be He. So he became angry: "What is this? I send him every day — and he says that Zusha is hungry — that He should give him to eat. What is this?" So he said: "If he asks from the Holy One Blessed Be He that He give him? Let the Holy One Blessed Be He give him — I will not give him." (Saba laughs.) So there was another rich man — he had a bad dream. So he said to the household: "His meal — let them send it to the synagogue — to this man." Yes — he is a Chassid and… Yes — let them send the meal. He wants to fast — so what he needs to eat — send it to Rebbe Zusha. (Saba laughs.) So he saw — he said: "I will not send to him — let the Holy One Blessed Be He give him." So there was another rich man who had a bad dream — and sent to Rebbe Zusha in the synagogue his meal. He was fasting — he said: "Give this to the synagogue — there is there a Torah scholar." [So he saw — that it is not he who determines.] Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) He saw that they bring him a good meal to eat. [There was another story with Rebbe Zusha — do you hear?] Ah? [There was a story with Rebbe Zusha.] Yes. [There was a Jewish man outside the Land — whose father passed away.] He said — he was in the Land of Yisroel? [No — I don't know.] [How?] [There was a Jewish man outside the Land.] Nu. [Whose father passed away. And the father came to the son in a dream — that he has great troubles there in the Upper World.] Yes. [Great troubles — and all the time troubles. What is there? Show what is happening — why does he have troubles? Since he had been a tzaddik — so he went to…] To Rebbe Zusha. [No — he went to the Gaon of Vilna — he went to the Gaon of Vilna.] This is a story? [Yes. And then the Gaon of Vilna…] The deceased — this deceased? [No — the son of the deceased.] The son of the deceased. [Went to the Gaon of Vilna. He says that his father comes to him in a dream all the time and something is not right. So — so he went. And he had two sons — one went to Rebbe Zusha — one went to the Gaon of Vilna. This one who went to the Gaon of Vilna — so he told him — he told him an answer — he told him what had happened. He went to Rebbe Zusha — Rebbe Zusha told him: "Check by the grave — check by the grave — there is… What is it called — an idol of Christians — the cross."] Yes? [By the grave there is — that is why he has troubles.] Ah. ["Remove it — dig there in the ground and remove it." This is what Rebbe Zusha told him.] (Saba laughs.) [So they came to the Gaon of Vilna and told him — that Rebbe Zusha said this answer. So he said: "From where does Rebbe Zusha know? From where does Rebbe Zusha know?] Yoy. [He is not a Torah scholar — from where does he know? Well — I know — it is written in the Gemara.] Yes? [Yes — it is written in the Gemara — if there is something of idolaters — this is not — but from where does Rebbe Zusha know? From where does he know?" So Rebbe Zusha told him: "He knows from Rav Ashi — from Rav Ashi — from Abaye."] From Abaye. [But he knows from the Holy One Blessed Be He — directly from the Holy One Blessed Be He.] (Saba laughs.) [Whoever said it to Rav Ashi — said it also to him.] Yes. [He said of Rebbe Zusha — that he had ardor for twenty-one years.] Yes. [Do you know — it is written in Chayay Moharan?] {In the heart — in the heart.} First. [In one ardor — yes. Do you know — when Rebbe Zusha passed away — he stood to depart from the world — so his students asked him: "To whom shall we draw close?"] Yoy. [So he told them: "Go to the Rebbe before whom one confesses words."] (Saba laughs.) [They said: "What shall we do? To whom shall we go? We have no Rebbe — you." "Go to the Rebbe" — and therefore the Breslov Chassidim were called "Viduy-niks."] Segment 8 EN: …Great ones — elders — great ones. [But Admors.] And masters of Kabbalah and… Yes. They had yiras Shamayim. And I went to them — I did not yet know Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). I went — and he loved me. He entered with me into his house and received me with love. But he was an opponent — all the Slonim Chassidim are opponents of Breslov. Afterwards — when I merited to draw close to Rebbe Yisroel — and I received all kinds of — all kinds of humiliations and degradations. He said to me: "If you feel that this brings into you yiras Shamayim and emunah — do not listen to Rav Motl (of Slonim) — to any person in the world." He said this to me — but in a whisper — not in front of everyone. [Who? Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner? Who said? Rebbe Yisroel?] Rav Liishka — Rav Liishka. [From Slonim?] There was one — this elder — who was greater than all of them. He said to me: "If you feel that this brings into you yiras Shamayim and emunah — do not listen — not to Rav Motl — and not to any… Not to the Rav — and not to…" Blessed be Hashem — this was for me a great strengthening — because the world is their world. Yes. [The opponents?] But he had in him some point of truth. He said to me — he reminded me — that I am searching for some truth — that I am searching for truth. So he said to me: "If you feel that this brings into you emunah and yiras Shamayim and fulfillment of the Torah — do not listen to anyone." [Yes.] Like this he said to me — but in a whisper. [And he told you — not to reveal.] By — by the Sea of Kinneret — by the mikveh. And there was not — only I and he. So he said to me — not — not told me that I should not reveal. [He did not tell you?] No — no — no — no. Only — only he — he did not say it in front of people. [In front of people.] He knew that I would not reveal — because what would I gain from this. [Only to lose.] Segment 9 EN: …And wonders greater than the Exodus from Egypt — that I had — how I merited to come out from all of them — and I overcame with strength and courage. And all of them fell from this. They saw the might — so they fell. They were all against me — and I suffered shame and degradations — such degradations. But there were good gifts. Oy voy. Segment 10 EN: (not understood) (Saba laughs.) No. [But do you want to write Rebbe Yisroel Odesser?] Ah? [Do you want to write Rebbe Yisroel Odesser — Rebbe — or just Yisroel Ber Odesser?] Yisroel Ber Odesser. [Shlita?] Yes. [Shlita?] Neiro ya'ir. [Neiro ya'ir — N"Y.] [Yisroel Dov — or Yisroel Ber?] Ah? Yisroel Ber. [Yisroel Ber Odesser.] Bais — Ayin — Reish — Yisroel Ber Odesser. [And N"Y.] As it is written — as President Shazar wrote. [Yes.] "Avi HaNachal" — this is the initial letters of Y'sroel B'er O'desser. (Saba laughs.) He was in Hebrew — it was Hebrew. He should have written Yisroel Dov Odesser — Yisroel Dov. No — he wrote it for me in Yiddish — Yisroel Ber. [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) [Saba — this — this is a two-hundred shekel note with the picture of Shazar.] (Saba laughs.) Good. I — perhaps you wanted me to print Avi HaNachal again — so I… [Wait — wait — wait — this is — this is of…] So — so I — so I — so I will distribute the photographs. Shazar and I — he had it made by a great expert from Germany. He brought this — it came out — he and I. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — in Yaakov's picture.] Yes. [This is at Yaakov's.] No — no — I did not tell of this. And now I — this will be a Kiddush Hashem — that all — all — every person — whoever buys the book will see that Shazar was — he {was} my friend. (Saba laughs.) [Good — Rebbe Yisroel Ber Odesser N"Y.] Yes. I made a wedding — a wedding for my son. I made a wedding. [Yes.] So he (Shazar) — he came to the wedding — from his office — to northern Tel Aviv — to some hotel. He came — he came. Yes. And Goldman was there — the head — the head of — of the Jewish Agency. He said to him: "It is impossible that you should travel — I am not — alone I am not — not able to finish alone — you must stay — be here!" So he said to him: "No — no — no — no — I must travel!" So he left him and he traveled. (Saba laughs.) Segment 11 EN: …A Breslov Chassid will write by him — on the Torah teachings and the prayers of Rabbainu — the writings of Rebbe Nachman. So the name for the book: "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman MiBreslov." [Saba — Saba — Rosh Chodesh Nissan is the birthday of Rabbainu.] Yoy. [Perhaps the book will be finished before that — if only.] If only — if only. (Saba laughs.) Yoy. The printers of the book — I want afterwards perhaps… [To print again.] After it is finished — to print again. [With Hashem's help we will print a million.] Ah? [With Hashem's help we will print millions.] Yes — yes. [Not a thousand.] Yes. [A thousand is a drop from the sea.] Every person will search for "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman." [Yes — with Hashem's help.] This name is very effective — "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman" — and this is the writings of Rebbe Nachman and his student Rebbe Nassan. [Yes.] "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman" — what — what is this? This is something very awesome. The President performed mesiras nefesh. [Yes.] He printed this — he gave it as a gift to the officials — to all the officials of his office and to all the Kness… He — he — he gave to all his friends — without money. (Saba laughs.) [Saba — is it possible to make a page of ilui neshama in the book?] Ah? [To make — to print an ilui neshama page in the book — at the end of the book?] Yes — for the ilui neshama of the President. [The President.] President Shazar. [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Ah? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — for the ilui neshama of Rebbe Yisroel?] This — this is separate and this is separate. The President — first of all the President. [In the book?] Afterwards… [But…] The holy names begin — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and more — and more — and more. [Which — which more? You will think.] [Saba — is it possible to make an ilui neshama?] Ah? [An ilui neshama for relatives?] Yes — yes — yes. [At the end of the book.] Yes — at the end of the book. [And to donate amounts.] Yes — yes — yes — yes. [To help with the printing.] Good — at the end of the book. [Fine.] We will speak of this. [Fine.] Perhaps not — not — not to write the ilui neshama of the President. [Not to write.] Because they will stand up — [and there is also the opposition] — Yerushalayim in Meah Shearim — the Neturei Karta will stand up — and all. [Yes.] And they will say… Segment 12 EN: …How is it possible to say — this — that this is mine? That this is [they say that this is the handwriting of the Rebbe.] What a small man this is. [I heard that the cabinet was locked.] Ah? [The cabinet was locked.] Even without any {insight} — only to see this writing and this language — already — already one sees that this is Rabbainu. [What is this — what is this secret: "And with this I will reveal to you a secret and it is…"] "Melo v'gadish — melo v'gadish meko l'ko." [This is Kabbalah.] "Patzp…" # Tape 13G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/22/ Tape 13G, Side Bais קסטה 13G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/22 Segment 1 EN: [This is Kabbalah.] "Patzpatziyah" — this is the name of the angel appointed over the shofar blasts of Rosh HaShanah. [Yes.] According to the holy Ari HaKadosh. Yes. So it is written here — concerning the matter of Rosh HaShanah — "Patzpatziyah." [The Rebbe already revealed to us then — when the letter was revealed — that we would merit to come on Rosh HaShanah to Uman. The Rebbe already revealed this to us then — this is a secret.] If only — if only — if only. When you reach Uman — you must seek all kinds of advice to come to Uman. The holy Rabbainu warned greatly to come to him on Rosh HaShanah. [I saw Saba in Uman on Rosh HaShanah.] Ah? [Twice I saw Saba in Uman on Rosh HaShanah.] Ah? [I saw Saba twice in Uman on Rosh HaShanah.] Who? [Three years ago and two years ago I saw Saba.] Were you there? [Yes — I also saw Saba.] You were already there? [Yes — I was already three times in Uman.] Yes? (Saba laughs.) How fortunate you are — how fortunate you are. This liar — this liar — he wanted to nullify me. He — for the sake of pride. What is this? [He said to them…] Yisroel Ber received a letter from Rabbainu? And where am I? I am Levi Yitzchak (Bender.) [He said to you alone that this is false?] Yes — yes. I know him well. When I say liar — I — Heaven forfend — regarding any son of Yisroel — in particular regarding the people of our circle. But he was afraid — he — he was afraid that his honor would be damaged. What? A letter from Rab… A letter from Rabbainu to Yisroel Ber — and where is Levi Yitzchak? [I see that these are letters that were written — that Saba wrote to Shazar?] Ah? [Saba wrote to Shazar — he wrote to Shazar?] "Avi HaNachal." [What? Yes — yes — this is "Avi HaNachal."] "Avi HaNachal?" [Yes.] Yes. [These are letters.] What I wrote to Shazar. [Yes — what happened? You drew Shazar close?] Take — take this. [Yes — but this is his — can I take?] I will tell him that I gave it to you — and you will see — you will see — if — if — if one sees such wonders in the world. We were such friends — such friends. And the whole government was — was — was against. And he did not listen. [Did you draw him close — Shazar?] Certainly — certainly. [How did you draw him close? How did he come to Breslov — Shazar? Shazar was the President of the State — was he not?] The letters — all — all whoever sees the letters — he becomes a baal teshuvah. [Yes — every day one must have a fixed order — every day to read a letter.] We were — all — all — all the city — all the government — they know that we are friends. We were special friends. He — he — he said to me — Ben Gurion and Aharon and… Ben Gurion and all the ministers — the government ministers — are not his friends — they are not friends. I am his friend. (not understood) (Saba laughs.) I entered to him — all the policemen knew — when I came — it was open before me everywhere. [My father told me — that once he went with you and with Shmuel Horowitz — on Purim — once he went on Purim with you and with Rav Shmuel Horowitz.] Yes — yes — yes. To Shazar. [Yes — do you remember?] Yes — yes. And we danced. (Saba laughs.) [Yes — did you dance with Shazar?] Yes — and also. [My father was drunk.] Amram — Amram. [Amram — yes — he also went.] Amram. [Amram Horowitz — your grandson.] I and Amram learned with him Likutay Moharan. [With whom? With Shazar?] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Shazar came on Rosh HaShanah night — I heard that he was in Breslov.] Yes — yes. They wanted to strike him. [Who wanted to strike him? People — those who did not merit to know of the Rebbe?] Breslov Chassidim. What is your name? [Shmuel — after the grandfather.] Shmuel. And he? [Amram Yosef.] Avraham? [Amram Yosef.] Amram Yosef. [Like your grandson Amram.] Ah — Amram Yosef. Amram was — his father was the head of the Beis Din of Yerushalayim. Yes. [Do you remember him?] Great in Torah. Yes. [Tell us a story about him.] All were opponents against Breslov — in particular the Litvaks. [They were all opponents? Yes.] He was the father of — the father-in-law of Shmuel. [Shmuel Horowitz — yes.] What is his name? [Rav Amram Yosef Wornshtein.] Ah? [Amram Yosef Wornshtein.] No. [To whom?] What was the name of the Rav of Yerushalayim? [Rav Moshe Nachum — Rav Moshe Nachum — Rav Moshe Nachum Wornshtein — ah — perhaps Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfelt.] After Rav Chaim Zonnenfelt — there was — there was the Rav of Yerushalayim. [Yes.] And he — [Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfelt.] No. [Rav Shmuel Salant?] The father-in-law of — of Rav Shmuel Horowitz. [He was Rav Avraham Wornshtein.] How — how was he called? [Rav Avraham Yosef Wornshtein — they used to call him the father-in-law of Rav Shmuel.] Weinshtein? [Wornshtein.] The Rav of Yerushalayim. [Yes — his father was the Rav of Yerushalayim — Rav Moshe Nachum.] Rav Moshe Nachum Wornshtein — Wornshtein. [Yes — Wornshtein.] Ah — Rav Moshe Nachum Wornshtein — he was the head of the Beis Din of (not understood) in Yerushalayim. [Yes.] He — he — he was a Litvak. [Yes — he was from…] He was an opponent — an opponent against… [Did you speak with him about Breslov?] (not understood) [Did you speak with him about Breslov?] (Saba laughs.) Ah? [Did you speak with him about Breslov? With Rav Moshe Nachum Wornshtein?] Yes. [What did he say to you?] He — he — he is far from this. [But did he not speak — did he speak against?] Nu — the great ones did not {dispute.} They saw that this [is not simple] — one sees in the world still such stories? There are none. [There are no such stories.] The whole world says and knows that there are none — none — such stories as these — there are none in the whole world. [Did you go to Rav Moshe Feinstein — Rav Moshe Feinstein gave you a letter — I saw that you have a note from Rav Moshe Feinstein.] Moshe Feinstein — yoy — yoy. [You were by him — were you not?] I — I was by him with the Petek. [What — what did he write? What did he say to you?] There is a recommendation. [Yes.] Have you not seen the recommendation? [We saw — we saw this once — once.] (Saba laughs.) [What did he write to you about the Petek? What did you say to him? Did you tell him the story?] [That a Litvak should give a recommendation — he was a Litvak.] Everyone said: "He was already — he was no longer in his right mind." [This is what they say.] But even so — this — this cuts it — this — this — this is the recommendation. [What happened? How — how did he give you a note about this — Rav Moshe Feinstein? He was a great man — correct?] Rav Moshe Feinstein — I did not know him and he did not know me. [So what happened?] Only the son — they gave him the letter. [Yes.] So he went to his father and showed him the letter. So he said to him: "This? Do not laugh at this — he said that this is a wonder — a great wonder!" Yes. [Did you hear what he said?] And he wants to see the original Petek and the person who found it. I went to him with the Petek. [Were you called? Who called you? Were you called to him?] Ah? [Were you called to Rav Moshe Feinstein?] Yes. [So you came to him.] He — he — he felt… [He was filled with wonder at the Petek — there was never such a thing in the world — never was there such a thing in the world.] He — he was not… A recommendation — such a recommendation. [What did he write to you in the recommendation?] I have no strength. [Ah.] To speak. [He was the posek of the generation — Rav Moshe Feinstein.] Yes — {the greatest of scholars.} [Blessed be Hashem.] (Saba laughs.) [The Rebbe testifies about you that you were his dear student.] "Talmidi HaYakar" — my dear student. (Saba laughs.) [This is not a simple matter.] I — I read this — I saw it by myself. I completely collapsed — what? I — I — "Talmidi HaYakar?" [But the Rebbe testifies about you. The Rebbe testifies about you.] [If the Rebbe says such a thing — certainly this is true.] He — he writes to me "Talmidi HaYakar" — in a place where they did not need to write "Talmidi HaYakar." "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha lehagid lecha" — why does he write… He stopped: "Talmidi HaYakar." (Saba laughs.) [Because this is true.] In any case — tell the father — tell the father. [Yes.] I asked him — I want to see him and speak with him. And let him come sometimes. [Where are you — where are you located?] Oy — in the merit of this — he will have a healing. And not in the merit of this — in the merit of Rabbainu. Yes. He also suffered from Breslov. [What?] All of us suffered from Breslov. [Yes.] All of us. (Saba laughs.) [From what did you suffer? From Breslov?] [He is a great Torah scholar — Rav Alter — correct? Rav Alter is a great Torah scholar.] The father of Shmuel Horowitz — he was a gaon. [He was a dayan.] Famous — a dayan. [He lives in Canada.] Canada — yes — yes. [He was there for forty years.] And he wrote {this — yes.} The son — Rav Shmuel — Rav Shmuel Horowitz drew close to Rabbainu. I drew him close at the time — after the bar mitzvah. [Did you make him a Breslov Chassid?] I — yes. [How did you make him a Breslov Chassid?] I drew him close — I always spoke with him of Rabbainu. [And before this — was he not a Breslov Chassid?] And he drew close to Rabbainu. [Before you spoke with him — was he not a Breslov Chassid?] No — he — he was Chabad. (Saba laughs.) Yes — yes. He was Chabad. And I — I drew him close to Rabbainu. [Whom else did you draw close? Also the President of the State?] If you want to believe — perhaps — perhaps the father knows of this. Shmuel Horowitz was living in Tzfas. Yes — I drew him close — and I took him out — (not understood) — the Chabad. And drew him close to Rabbainu. [Is Chabad not good?] [In your merit we are also Breslov.] The mother — the mother became ill from this. [Your mother — or his mother?] His mother — my mother — also my mother. (Saba laughs.) My mother passed away — she became weak — she passed away. The Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy on me — He made miracles — how she returned to life. What is this? What are you doing? Breslov — {not Breslov.} (Saba laughs.) [What?] [In your merit we are also Breslov — we were born Breslov Chassidim — in your merit. You drew close Rav Shmuel Horowitz — we are also Breslov.] What — but you — not — not did you suffer what we suffered. [Yes.] We were the first soldiers. (Saba laughs.) I fought against — against mighty warriors — against rabbis — they are famous in the world. And I — I did what is mine. He spoke as if I were not a human being. [Who?] Moshe Klirs. [Ah — who were these — they were from Teveria?] [What — what did Rav Moshe Klirs — did he oppose Breslov?] He — he was a great opponent. [He was Slonim — was he not?] Slonim — Slonim. [Was Rav Motl of Slonim also there — also there — yes? But they — were they not great people?] No tzaddik said — that Uman — the whole world knows that Uman was closed to the whole world. And now — and now — [open to the whole world.] The wonders of the Holy One Blessed Be He — that it opened to the whole world — without war — without… [Miracles — through the power of the Rebbe.] Miracles — miracles. (Saba laughs.) [Here is the recommendation of Rav Moshe Feinstein.] You have it — you have one — ah yes? [Yes — here is the letter: "To all our brethren the children of Yisroel — with a blessing of peace and blessing. I hereby come to recommend — the Gaon…" He writes about you: Gaon.] (Saba laughs.) If he saw that the holy Rabbainu writes "Talmidi HaYakar" — he cannot write… [He writes about you: "He is a very wise man and has great knowledge in the wisdom of Kabbalah."] (Saba laughs.) [Rav Moshe Feinstein wrote only truth — yes — he was a very great man.] [Rav Moshe Feinstein wrote only truth.] Rav Moshe Feinstein. [Yes — he wrote only truth — what he wrote is truth.] Yes — certainly. [And he wrote: "A very important man and has great knowledge in the wisdom of Kabbalah."] (Saba laughs.) He writes {with more miracles} in Kabbalah. [Did Rav Moshe Feinstein know Kabbalah?] He — he knew a little. [He knew a little Kabbalah? Did he know Kabbalah? He was a gaon in the revealed Torah — was he not?] He — he wrote such a recommendation. [It seems to me that he wrote such a recommendation to no one else — "Gaon — a very important man."] Yes — famous in the whole world. [And the Petek was inside a book — the Petek was inside a book?] Ah? [The Petek from the Rebbe — the letter — was it inside a book?] Yes. [Which book?] Likutay Halachos — Orach Chaim — Part One — page 105. [Where? In which Likutay Halachos?] Orach Chaim — Orach Chaim — Orach Chaim — there are three parts. And this is Part One. [Part One.] Part One — Part One — page 105. [Page 105.] [Were you a student of Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — correct? Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] I have no strength to speak. Enough. [What is written — bless him — he is of marriageable age — that he may merit a proper match. His brother needs to become engaged — his brother needs a blessing.] Do you have a brother? [Yes — he has a brother.] Are you four brothers? [He is my cousin — he is not the son of Rav Alter.] Ah. [He is the nephew of Rav Alter.] He — [the nephew — he is the son of Rav Alter's sister.] [I am the nephew.] [(not understood — he speaks in Yiddish.)] He is not the son of Rav Alter? [He is not the son of Rav Alter — he is the son of Chaya — do you remember Chaya — the daughter of Rav Shmuel Horowitz — Chaya?] The son. [The daughter of Rav Shmuel Horowitz — Chaya — he is the son of Chaya.] Chaya. [He is the son of Chaya.] Ah — ah. (not understood) [He has a brother who needs to become engaged.] Ah? [He has a brother who needs to become engaged — his brother needs a blessing.] Nu. [For a proper match — and he is also of age — bless him.] Does he have a brother — who — who is close to Rabbainu? [Yes — we need to bless his brother for a proper match — his brother.] Ah? [We need to bless his brother for a proper match — bless his brother.] The sister — his sister — of Rav Shmuel? [Yes — his mother — he — he — bless him that he should draw close…] He is the son of Rav Shmuel's daughter. [My mother is the daughter of Rav Shmuel.] The daughter of Rav Shmuel. [Yes — blessed be Hashem — we have merited.] How many brothers are you? [They are ten children — five brothers and five sisters.] Five brothers. [And five sisters.] And five? [Sisters.] Sisters? [Yes.] Yes — ten children. [Yes.] [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner said — that your drawing close is a great wonder. What did Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner say about your drawing close?] This is all miracles and wonders — I have no strength to speak. [May the Holy One Blessed Be He give you a complete healing.] One does not even need to speak much. [Because it is written.] One sees — one sees the truth — one sees — one sees such a Petek. Not — not — not does one need any recommendation — no need. Yes. [The Petek from the Rebbe — the Rebbe himself recommends.] Yes — this is his handwriting. And this is his seal — revealed only by Rabbainu himself. {Not I — this is} the whole Torah: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." Only the holy Rabbainu revealed this — "Nachman MayUman." The holy Ba'al Shem Tov merited — that he merited to bring into the world the holy Rabbainu. [He was the grandfather of Rabbainu.] Yes. This is such a wondrous matter — there are — there are no words to speak. [Did you ever have a dream of the Rebbe?] What? [Did you see the Rebbe?] Yes. [What happened?] I saw Rabbainu a few times — some times. [How many? Many times?] Some times — three times. [How did you merit this? How did you merit this?] Ah? [How did you merit this?] I do not know. Thus the Holy One Blessed Be He wanted it. Yes. (Saba laughs.) One needs {much.} [This brings a person to thoughts of teshuvah when one sees this Petek.] Only to see — (not understood) — only to see the handwriting and the language — one sees that this is {Rabbainu's handwriting.} [The handwriting of the Rebbe.] And also — he revealed his name: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." [You have a song from this.] "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." [How does one sing it — how does one sing this? A song — a song.] Ah? [How does one sing this? A song — a song.] Segment 2 EN: …All see that the photographs that are in them — one sees therein — without — without investigations — without wisdoms. [Yes.] Yes — one sees that this is truth and right and correct. This is not — not a person wrote this — not the language and not — and not the handwriting. (Saba laughs.) Segment 3 EN: Never yet was there such a wonder in the world from any tzaddik — a letter? [The letter arrived more than a hundred years after…] (Saba laughs.) [This is a novelty that has not been in the world.] "Talmidi HaYakar?" "V'alecha amarti?" What is this? (Saba laughs.) He wanted to be an Admor. He was not… Admor. Yes. "R'sho'im B'choshech Y'damu" — the initial letters of RaBi — yes. [This refers to those who are famous for falsehood.] He is already wicked — wicked. [What?] "Resho'im b'choshech yidamu" — the initial letters of RaBi. [Are there more wicked ones?] "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — the initial letters of RaBi. And "Resho'im b'choshech yidamu" — the initial letters of RaBi. ["Resho'im b'choshech yidamu" — this refers to those who are famous for falsehood.] Yes. [And "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — this refers to those who are famous for truth — tzaddikim — a true tzaddik.] Yes. "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — one — this is the holy Rabbainu! (Saba laughs.) "R'osh B'nay Y'sroel" — the initial letters of RaBi — he is the Rebbe of all Yisroel. Segment 4 EN: This is the book — how many baalei teshuvah came about from this book — all — all — all said that there is nothing like it — Likutay Tfilos — like Likutay Tfilos there is nothing in the world. [What is this — is this Likutay Tfilos?] [This is Torah and prayer — the Rebbe commanded to make Torah teachings and prayers.] And I — I connected the Likutay Moharan — the Torah teachings — with the prayers together. [The Rebbe says to make prayers from the Torah teachings.] But the Likutay Moharan — it — this is at length. And I took the book of Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — this — this is the Kitzur Likutay Moharan. Yes. And he — he made many true baalei teshuvah. [One must make a fixed ordinance in Breslov — every day to say from this book.] Yes. [One must make an ordinance from today.] Yes. [Rebbe Nassan — this — this Likutay Tfilos is here. Rebbe Nassan himself ordained that one must say Likutay Tfilos every day.] Who — who? [Rebbe Nassan said: "From now — since Likutay Tfilos already exists — they will be called to account for every day that one does not say it." So from today we will begin to say every day from this holy book.] This was the hisbodedus of Rebbe Nassan — a drop from the sea. [What?] A drop from the sea. [When he was in Teveria — what did the rabbis of Teveria say about the Petek? Did they also know of the Petek?] (not understood — spoken in Yiddish) When one sees only the Petek — then one sees — one sees that this… [Yes — but those who were not Breslov Chassidim — they were not among the Chassidim of Breslov — Rav Moshe Klirs — Rav Motl of Slonim.] {Nein.} [What?] Nothing — like animals — beasts — donkeys. [They did not know of Breslov at all — ah? They were Slonim Chassidim.] [Rav Shmuel Horowitz took the Petek to Poland — correct? I heard that he took this to Poland — yes — the Petek. Do you remember? Rav Shmuel Horowitz took the Petek to Poland — is this true? I heard this. Do you remember? He took the Petek to Poland — Rav Shmuel Horowitz?] He saw the Petek — Saba. He passed away — {passed away.} [What is he?] But he saw the Petek. Yes. [He was a great tzaddik — Rav Shmuel Horowitz — you drew him close.] One does not need approbations — this testifies — testifies for itself. When one sees this — one sees — one sees that this — that this is above nature. [This is a segulah for many things — to say "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." This is a segulah to say "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman."] Such a wonder — only he himself revealed himself — that this is "Na — Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." That is it — that is it — the niggun of — of 'pashut — kaful — meshulass — meruba.' [Ah — how fortunate we are that in such a generation this holy letter was revealed.] But this was seventy years ago. [It is written Tarpav — 5682.] The Petek — seventy years ago. [A hundred and ten years after the passing of the Rebbe.] Oy. [At what age were you when the Petek was revealed? How old were you when the Petek was revealed?] Not — not remembering and not knowing. [May Hashem help.] Yes. [A complete healing — that the Petek be revealed in the whole world and accepted in the whole world.] Yes. (not understood — spoken in Yiddish) [Rav Elazar Mordechai — Rav Elazar Mordechai Rozenfeld — do you remember him?] He — they cut off his hand. (not understood) [Yes — he has a very beautiful family today — blessed be Hashem.] Ah? (not understood — spoken in Yiddish) He left ten children. [Ten children — a dayan.] Yes? [Yes — he has merited.] Does he have sons — daughters? [Yes — yes — five sons — five daughters.] Five? [Six — six are already married.] Ah? [He has more than ten grandchildren — he has also grandchildren.] Grandchildren. [For Rav Elazar Mordechai — they are grandchildren of — of Rav Shimon the student of the Rebbe — Rozenfeld.] Yes? [Yes — he is a great-grandchild of Rav Shmuel Horowitz — a great-grandchild.] Rav Shmuel — I drew him close. [Yes.] He made a bar mitzvah — and I came to Tzfas. And I spoke with him of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — of Rabbainu. # Tape 14G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/23/ Tape 14G, Side Aleph קסטה 14G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/23 Segment 1 EN: And all — everything — his mother nearly passed away — his mother. And his father wrote to him: {firstborn} fool! [Is that what he wrote to him?] Yes. [But at the end of his days…] He switched Chabad for — for Breslov. [At the end of his days — his father said about him — that he gives him nachas. He said — at the end of his days he was indeed satisfied. The father of Rav Shmuel Horowitz — my father — Rav Alter brought — brought to the father of Shmuel Horowitz — to Rav Yeshayah — he brought him the books of Rabbainu. He learned in the books of Rabbainu.] Yes — yes. [Good night.] Good night. [Good night — all good — long days and years.] Yes — take it to heart — you will see — you will see the letters — they awaken greatly. They — many baalei teshuvah come about through them. [Yes — all good — good night.] All good. [All good.] Father — father — Rav Alter should come — come to me. I want to see him. [Fine — I — I will tell him.] Let him strengthen himself. [Good night.] Good night. [Good Chanukah — all good.] Ah — Gideon — Gideon — Gideon. [Yes.] Give them some apple — give them some apple. Not — not did I give them any refreshment. Segment 2 EN: …From Teveria to Haifa — half a lira. Nu — so he looked at me like a madman: "What are you talking about? Am I a banker? Do I have half-liras? I have a penny — half a penny — a penny or two pennies. But not a half-lira — what is this?" (Saba laughs.) Nu — I was ashamed {to see} — I said to him: "If you cannot — don't give — leave me alone." (Saba laughs.) No — he said to me: "How do you have such audacity — to ask me for half a lira as a loan?" Yes. (Saba laughs.) In the end he did not have it — I gave him rest. He — every time he saw me: "What did you do? What? Why did you do this? I cannot rest." (Saba laughs.) He gave to me — now he gave me half a lira. I paid him — blessed be Hashem. [Yes?] Yes. From Teveria to Haifa — half a lira. But from Haifa to Yerushalayim — [there was none] — again — again — perhaps more than half a lira. (Saba laughs.) First of all I traveled from Teveria to Haifa — {more} than half a lira. (not understood) (Saba laughs.) And blessed be Hashem — when I wanted to return home — I had no money. For what did I travel to Yerushalayim? For money? So — so I entered the Karlin synagogue. There was there a porch. And there was sitting there a deceased one — deceased — dead. Yes. But I see that he — he — he is possible to speak to him. I said to him: "Why are you so much in sadness? What is this with you? It is forbidden." So he said to me: "Go from me. I am waiting every moment for the soul to go out. What do you want from me?" (Saba laughs.) In any case I said to him: "Tell me — what do you have?" So he said: "What — what will be — what will be if I tell? Can you do {a miracle}? I need {a miracle.} I — I am deaf. I do not hear and I do not know — and I have no livelihood and I have nothing. What is possible to do? I have no advice at all — only to destroy myself." In any case — he was God-fearing and wanted to do this. Yes. I said to him: "I have a tzaddik like this — who can help you." So he said: "Go from here — go from me — I — I want to die — what do you want?" (Saba laughs.) In any case I — I did not — not leave him — until he began to think: "Perhaps — perhaps this is good." (Saba laughs.) Yes. I took him — I brought him to my house. This was the money that I had brought from Yerushalayim — I brought a guest — not for one day. (Saba laughs.) [He sat there] — [two years.] And this man was — he was a Litvak. Yes. And he began to dance with me. All of Teveria heard our dances — of the "deceased" and of me. (Saba laughs.) In any case — he had a healing. He — he had a relative — who had compassion on him. He said to him: "Sit in the shop. If someone wants a kilo of sugar — give him a kilo of sugar." Good. One entered — he wants a kilo of sugar — a kilo of sugar. Nu — he went to bring the sugar. He — he forgot already what he — what — what — what he wants. He does not remember — he — he does not — not know — he forgot. He does not know whether — whether salt — whether sugar. (Saba laughs.) He — he is ashamed to go back and ask what — what they want. In any case he has no choice — he went — he went and asked: "What do you want?" "We want sugar." Yes — he went to bring sugar. Until he went — until he took the sugar — he forgot what — what — what they want. (Saba laughs.) [He was deaf.] He — he asks me: "A person like this — does he have hope? Does he have? What? None — I have no advice at all — only to destroy myself. I will do a mitzvah — I will do a mitzvah — to destroy myself. So — so — so leave me alone — don't speak with me. I — I — I am expecting — waiting — when the soul will go out. And you want me to go to Teveria?" (Saba laughs.) He went to Teveria. I brought — instead of money from Yerushalayim — I brought a guest. He needs to eat — {he needs to eat medicine.} Nu — he was in my house a long time. And he had a complete healing — a complete healing in entirety. He became the… [manager] — the chief agent — the biggest chief agent in Yerushalayim. Yes. His name was 'Baruch.' The name of the "deceased" was 'Baruch.' (Saba laughs.) And he had a healing — and he made a match and got married and had children. (Saba laughs.) His name was 'Baruch.' I do not know whether he is still in this world or whether he has gone. Yes — now I do not know where he is. (Saba laughs.) [He was Breslov — he became Breslov.] Yes. But this was a miracle — how he heard me. He asked me: "What — what — what do you want from me? I want to die — no — leave me alone." (Saba laughs.) So I overcame him greatly and not — I looked at him and said to him: "I know of a tzaddik — that you can be healed — and it will be for you…" Like this it was. He became the chief agent of 'Elit.' 'Elit.' [Yes.] Yes — the {large} factory 'Elit.' [Yes — yes.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) He {supported} me — he gave me money. (Saba laughs.) This "deceased" one. [Deceased-but-alive.] This one can be told. He danced — he was a Litvak — and he danced with me "Bach Rabbainu Nagila — Bach Rabbainu Nismachah…" He danced up to — up to the ceiling. (Saba laughs.) Until today I know his face. Yes — and all — all of his matter. He had an old mother — a very old mother. He had a mother. Yes. And I went with him. And the mother had — one had to — one had to give her joy. Nu — he was the chief — the very first chief agent in Yerushalayim of — of 'Elit.' (Saba laughs.) He — 'Elit.' The merchant said to him: "I have not seen in all the days of my life such a faithful man — a person — this I need." So he became — he became — he became [rich] — yes — he had a great livelihood. (Saba laughs.) He did not touch even worth a penny. Yes. So he — 'Elit' saw such faithfulness — such loyalty. So he said: "This is good for me." So he made him the very first chief agent in Yerushalayim. (Saba laughs.) I am not telling exaggerations — like this it was. He had courage — he had no wife — children. Yes. [Saba.] And he was my neighbor in Meah Shearim — near 'Torah v'Yirah.' (not understood) (Saba laughs.) And he — when he saw me — he was joyful and laughed. What I did not hear from this "deceased" one — {what I did not…} [Resurrection of the dead!] (Saba laughs.) He did not want to hear. He had fear. "Go from me — what — what? Can you — you want to help me — but it is impossible. Do you have screws?" (Saba laughs.) I said to him: "I have no screws — but I have such a tzaddik — that you can have a healing." {Yes — yes.} And he — I — I said this with all the heart. And he heard it. He was — I want to die — to die. So he received — he began to receive this. And he began to dance. So already — already… Yes. (Saba laughs.) [He came alive.] His name was 'Baruch.' He told Aharon Fetz and everyone on Rosh HaShanah in Yerushalayim. He — he also came and he told them — what I did — what I had done. Yes. (Saba laughs.) There were miracles — how — how he came with me to Teveria. (Saba laughs.) And my wife said to me: "What — what shall we do? I have no bread for the children — and how can we give him food?" (Saba laughs.) He was at my place a long time — and he ate and drank. And he had a healing — such a healing — as if he were unique in his generation. Yes — his name was 'Baruch.' And he was telling them all the whole matter of the "deceased." (Saba laughs.) I thought — there is nothing to speak. He said to me: "Go from me — go from me — go from me." (Saba laughs.) He wants to hear — what is this? He was a Litvak. Yes. (Saba laughs.) But I did not leave him and I spoke with him — and he began — began to understand — to understand — to understand this — that there is no healing for him. So I brought him to Teveria. And in Teveria he received a healing. (Saba laughs.) He is famous in Teveria — Baruch — such a Baruch. (Saba laughs.) He was my neighbor near "Torah v'Yirah." [Yes — yes.] Facing "Torah v'Yirah." Yes. (Saba laughs.) He was a Litvak. When he saw me — he laughed. He — he saw that he laughs from this — how — how such a thing came about — such a thing. I am not telling exaggerations. Like this it was. I went out onto the porch — I saw a deceased one. I was very frightened. I began to speak with the deceased: "What — what is this with you? What?" He said to me: "Do not speak with me — you cannot help — go from here — go from me — I am waiting every moment for the soul to go out — what — what — what do you want from me? Go — go." (Saba laughs.) I did not leave him — and I took him with me to Teveria. And he entered Teveria. And his name was Baruch — all of Teveria already — already knew that I had brought a guest — Baruch. (Saba laughs.) [Did he see Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner? Did he know Rebbe Yisroel?] Now I do not know whether he is alive. [No…] I do not know where he lives and… [But this was after Rebbe Yisroel…] But he had a healing. Yes. He did not touch even less than a penny — nothing — nothing — nothing. He was such a faithful person — so 'Elit' said: "I need a person — such a person." He became — he made him the chief agent in Yerushalayim. (Saba laughs.) [So did Baruch know Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Baruch? [Did he know Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Ah? [Did he see Rebbe Yisroel?] No — no. I told him — I told him [he did not know him] — to believe that there is — to believe — because perhaps he will have a healing. I did not promise him — I said to him: perhaps. And he received my words — and he played with them — and he became — (not understood) (Saba laughs.) He saw all the respect I have in Teveria. But he was all his days in all… He — he — he said Likutay Tfilos a great deal. A Litvak — yes. (Saba laughs.) And he believed in the Litvak rabbis. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Oy — oy — oy. Already it is good that I am telling this — in any case — so that it should remain here in the world. I do not know whether he is alive — whether he — whether the "deceased" is alive. He got married — made a good match — had sons — had a good livelihood — the chief agent of 'Elit.' (Saba laughs.) When I… when he — I came to Yerushalayim and he saw me. So there was a great game between us. I had brought to Teveria a deceased one — {who will live from this?} Teveria. [Resurrection of the dead.] He — he was a Litvak. And I — I danced with him in my house. (Saba laughs.) This was an awesome thing — that I — not — I did not believe that he would agree to listen. "Go — go — go — I want to die — what do you want from me? I am already — I am looking every moment for the soul to go out. Go from me." Such a thing. (Saba laughs.) So the agent of 'Elit' said — said to 'Elit' — the householder: "Such a faithful person I have not seen in my life." So he said to him: "Don't worry — I need such a person." And he took him. (Saba laughs.) I brought — all of Teveria was afraid of the deceased that I brought to Teveria. (Saba laughs.) This "deceased" had a complete healing. How could such a thing come about? He asked me: "Do you have screws?" "The tzaddik has everything." Yes. So — so he heard and he went. And he went — he came with me to Teveria — and we both danced on the holy Shabbos — the whole night we danced — we rejoiced. And there was in Teveria a joyful Shabbos. (Saba laughs.) And he was so devoted to me — the words I spoke with him entered his heart and took effect. Yes. Only I remember that his name was 'Baruch.' (Saba laughs.) [Family?] One came and said to him: "Give me bread — I need bread." So he went and brought a salted fish. "What is this? I want bread and not salted fish." "Yes? Bread?" Good — he went and brought — brought sugar. He forgot and did not know what — what was wanted — what to give. (Saba laughs.) I knew him and his wife and his sons. [What was his family?] Ah? [What was his family?] I do not remember. I know only 'Baruch.' Also Baruch will be — the name of the deceased was 'Baruch.' I said to him: "Why are you so much in sadness?" "What — go from me — I am waiting every moment to die — what do you want from me? Go." (Saba laughs.) Until — until I worked upon him that he should go with me to Teveria — to Teveria. All of Teveria would see the deceased that I had brought. (Saba laughs.) He was truly like a deceased — without any difference. And he was very mighty in Rabbainu. And he did not listen to all the opponents — to all of Teveria. Yes. So all of Teveria knew — that I had brought yet another Breslov Chassid — {yet another one.} There was I and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — I brought yet another one. (Saba laughs.) He was at my place a long time. Yes. Every day waiting and expecting when the Angel of Death will come — not wanting to come. (Saba laughs.) And I said to him: "I know of a tzaddik — that you will have a healing." Yes. He received this and it became {this.} (Saba laughs.) There was this "deceased" one — until — until — until I brought him to Teveria. Do not ask. (Saba laughs.) [Opposition.] He wanted to die. And I did not know him. He became like the Simple Man — he became masterful. He asked: "Without mockery?" [Without mockery.] Like this he received this — and he became the biggest chief agent in Yerushalayim of 'Elit.' ['Minister.'] 'Minister' — 'Elit' said: "I need such a person — such a faithful person?" (Saba laughs.) He was a Litvak. I gave him every time a different book. He knew how to learn. Yes — I gave him the book Likutay Tfilos — I told him to sit and learn this with all his heart. So he did like this. Yes. He became a tzaddik through the Likutay Tfilos. He said a great deal of Likutay Tfilos. (Saba laughs.) Likutay Tfilos makes tzaddikim! (Saba laughs.) The world does not — not — not — not know and does not want to know: "What — what? Likutay Tfilos? What will be if there is Gemara?" (Saba laughs.) So he {passed} — with such a thing — the story of "the deceased Baruch." (Saba laughs.) He had a mother — a very old elderly mother. He had a mother. Yes. And he {always came}: "Mother — what" — he gave her whatever — whatever she wants. Yes. He begged me in supplication: "Leave me alone — what do you want from me? I am not — I am looking every moment for the soul to go out. And you — not — not — not — not — not giving me this." (Saba laughs.) I said to him: "I know of such a holy tzaddik — that you will have a healing." I said this with all my heart — it entered his heart. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 3 EN: …{The Russians} and the Communists — all went to the grave. Not one of them remains. Where are they? And Uman — the holy Rabbainu — he — and Uman — to all — all the world can come. They will come — they will come. # Tape 14G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/24/ Tape 14G, Side Bais קסטה 14G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/24 Segment 1 EN: Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) used to pray the prayer of the night of Rosh HaShanah. And the words of the prayer: "Yeda kol pa'ul ki atah pe'alto — veyavin kol yetzur ki atah yetzarto — veyomar kol asher neshamah b'apo Hashem Elokei Yisroel Melech umashilto b'chol mashalah…" (Saba laughs.) I heard — for how many hours he wept before the Holy One Blessed Be He — "Yeda kol pa'ul ki atah pe'alto…" This is the Rosh HaShanah of Rabbainu — which rectifies us. We do not despair. He — he — he renews us — he revives us — he strengthens us. (Saba laughs.) (not understood) I took the niggun of {Adirey Emo} for what? For "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: I had — when the chazan stood before the pulpit — and argued with the Holy One Blessed Be He — like this — with both hands. (Saba laughs.) Yes — and he speaks with the Holy One Blessed Be He like this — who saw such a thing? He was entirely hisbodedus — entirely emunah and truth and humility and… There is not — there is not — not enough. Everything I say is not enough. And the Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy upon us and gave us the true tzaddik — the holy Rabbainu. And he makes of us — only on Rosh HaShanah — what he makes of us. The whole year one commits transgressions and desires — and he purifies and cleanses it all! "Ani nahar hametahayr mikol haktemim." (Saba laughs.) Oy — the whole world — each one is full of stains. So he — he comes to Rabbainu before Rosh HaShanah — he tells before him all the troubles. Yes. So he — he already does — on Rosh HaShanah he already does — he says — he — he passes on the night of Rosh HaShanah with all his people — the first. (not understood) (Saba laughs.) He awakened in me such good. And he wants that new ones draw close — new human beings — a new world. (Saba laughs.) All my days — so all — all whoever saw me in the market: "Ho — he is Breslov — Breslov — Breslov — Breslov!" (Saba laughs.) My father-in-law struck — he and his wife — my wife — that she should take a divorce. (Saba laughs.) She — and she said: "No — a divorce — no." Segment 3 EN: …He said to them: "I have brought you a gift from the Land of Yisroel — what is the gift? Dispute! You are not counted among my people. There will be a time that the whole world will dispute against me. And then — whoever holds himself by me — he will be from my people. But you — not." (Saba laughs.) Segment 4 EN: …They — they — they (not understood) and they do not — not — not — not say. Yes — this — this is initial letters. All of Sefer Bias HaMashi'ach. Yes. And also in Sefer HaMidos it is written: "Mashiach will come in a year of berachah." Yes — so perhaps this year is a year of berachah. There is — there is so much frost. Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 5 EN: …They are fit — they bring upon the person such salvations — such wisdom and knowledge. Yes — as has never yet been in the world such a thing. (Saba laughs.) Segment 6 EN: …The holy Rabbainu came to him — like this — {the drawing.} The holy Ba'al Shem Tov came to him and said to him: "What is he? Why does he grieve him? When his service rises up — then we — then he is ashamed — that he — not — not — that he lives — he is ashamed." The holy Ba'al Shem Tov came to Rabbainu — to the grandchild — to his son: "What are you — why are you grieving us? When your service rises up to the heavens — then we are ashamed and we have no face whatsoever." (Saba laughs.) And also one sees — regarding his Torah teachings — the Likutay Moharan and the Sipuray Ma'asiyos — is there still such a thing in the world? (Saba laughs.) Where is there? Are there such Torah teachings? I heard from geonim — from great ones. Yes. I heard that they said — in the yeshiva they said: "Such Torah teachings as Rabbainu's? There are none! Such stories as Rabbainu's? There are none! Such conversations as Rabbainu's? There are none! Such Torah…" (Saba laughs.) Nu. And the holy Rabbainu said: "Mashiach will give an explanation — on — on the Likutay Moharan." (Saba laughs.) No tzaddik said like this. The Rav of Berdichev — a holy gaon — did not say that Mashiach will come and give an explanation on — on his book. Only the holy Rabbainu. Yes. There is none who will give an explanation — only Mashiach. (Saba laughs.) There was — I do not know why only the French — the French were the first — the first soldiers who came to Uman. (Saba laughs.) And they come from the whole world — they come from America — from England and Italy — from all the states they come to the Land of Yisroel. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And the holy Rabbainu — when he was in the Land of Yisroel and… Yes — he descended to Haifa first. Then he said: "The Land of Yisroel — all of Yisroel must come to live in the Land of Yisroel!" But there was not — there was not here what to eat — {no virtue} — nothing… Not houses — not. So — so this is being fulfilled now — all of Yisroel come — they come to the Land of Yisroel. (Saba laughs.) (not understood — the friend speaks with Saba in Yiddish.) Segment 7 EN: …One took my finger. He went with a hat {and a chair.} But he — he showed me that he had a miracle. A stone was thrown at him — and the stone entered into his brain — (not understood) — deep — deep — deep. Yes. And he took his finger and showed me: "See the hole." Yes. (Saba laughs.) And he — he received [and he is alive] — there was — there was a miracle — how he still remained alive. The stone entered — it stands in his head. (Saba laughs.) Yes. There was one rich man — one rich man — an opponent. So — so they gave money to the police — that Rebbe Nassan should not live in Breslov — outside — yes — not in Breslov — no. But he had students for Rebbe Nassan — students in Breslov. He would come sometimes secretly. So they came to the rich man and said to him: "Do you know? Rebbe Nassan was in Breslov last night." (Saba laughs.) So the rich man said: "Don't worry. As long as I am alive — he will not be in Breslov." So he died! (Saba laughs.) And at the judge's — he died there. Yes — like this he said: "Don't — don't be afraid. As long as I am alive — he will not be in Breslov." So he fell and passed away — he died! (Saba laughs.) Segment 8 EN: …More and more — and more in the whole world will come {to Uman.} Like this he said — he — he said: "All of you — be very careful to come on Rosh HaShanah to me in Uman." Yes — even if there should be {a divorce} — all will come on Rosh HaShanah to Uman. [Saba — (not understood) — such blows they are receiving.] [What happened — houses collapsed?] [Houses collapsed — what are these — houses of rich people.] [In Syria — Jordan — Egypt.] Nu. [All of them are receiving blows from the rain.] Yes? From the rain? [From lightning and thunder.] Ah. [They are receiving such fear and such storm-winds — everything flees from them from the storm-winds.] Alexandria — Alexandria. [Alexandria — yes.] (not understood) Today this is Alexandria. [Even in Iraq they are receiving blows.] Ah? [Even in Iraq.] In Iraq. [The Americans want to strike again…] Ah? [The Americans want to strike Iraq again.] Iraq. [Yes — they want to give them blows — they want to.] And the Jews — no one speaks of Jews. [Shamir — Shamir acts with wisdom.] Yes. [The whole country feels that he works with wisdom.] Yes? [Yes — he is something special — he does not speak much. He does not speak much — they think that he does not understand — and he begins to speak — one sees that he has intelligence.] Yes. [One sees — one feels that he has intelligence. He has changed completely — Saba.] [Shamir — they wrote about him in the press that he wants to do teshuvah.] Ah? [They write that he wants to do teshuvah.] [They are bringing five hundred Yemenite Jews from Yemen to a flight.] [They want to kidnap them too — they do not want to go up.] (not understood) All Yisroel will travel and they also. [Yes — they also.] [Saba — Uman is such a place as has never yet been in the world — such a sweet place — every simpleton feels that this is a good place.] Yes. [Every — every simpleton — every person even without this — receives intelligence there.] Uman — Uman — Uman. [Such a beautiful place — such a sweet place — so special — one does not see such a thing anywhere in the world. Only now they want to build there — the Americans want to build there. The whole world wants to build there — everyone — even the non-Jews — it will be such a wonder that the whole world will come.] Uman? [Uman.] [There is enough room for everyone.] Where? Where are all the Communists? [They fell — they fled — they fled.] [They told that there were Communists who stole a great deal of clay.] They stole? [Yes — so let them be caught — and it will come to us.] They freed them? [No — no — they freed them — they caught them.] They caught them? [Yes — they knew that they had stolen — now they are searching to catch them — and to take this from them.] [They will take everything from them — nothing will remain for them.] (not understood) They will receive. [Nothing has already remained of them.] Suddenly. [Suddenly all the Communists fell.] A strong wind. [Yes.] [The whole world asks: where are the Communists? Where are the Communists?] (not understood) [Nothing has remained.] [Not one has remained of them.] [Where are all of them?] Where? In the grave. [Whoever tries — every Communist who tries to rise up and speak — to mislead — receives a heart attack and dies.] Ah? [He receives a heart attack and dies.] Yes? [Yes — this is verified — this is verified.] (not understood) [Saba — the Petek — day by day — the Petek — day by day —] The Petek. [It rises and rises — and rises — it does not stop — it goes everywhere by itself.] "V'alecha amarti." [True.] [They treat it with great love in every home — in every home.] Yes. [In every home with great love.] Yes. [They say that "Na Nach" — it reveals all the liars — and all the thieves — it reveals by itself — everything — everything by itself.] [The children — the children feel it.] Yes? [They feel it very strongly — the children — with "Na Nach."] The children? [Yes.] [I walk in the street and they say to me "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — Gideon — Gideon.] [I did not think — they were laughing at me — they were laughing at me so much — suddenly three together — three people — they were mocking this. And suddenly "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — three together from such a congregation — I was startled.] (a problem with the tape) [The whole country knows of this — I think even Shaul told Rabin that he should say to the soldiers —] Who? [Shaul — Shaul.] Shaul? [The American. He told Rabin that he should say to the soldiers to say "Na Nach" — do you remember?] Yes? [Yes.] Jews? [All the Russians also say — they tell the women in labor to say "Na Nach" — this is already — this is already verified and tested. The women in labor say "Na Nach" and they give birth easily.] Dani'el — Dani'el Z. He had a daughter — a daughter. And she was sick. She received here — [a swelling] — a swelling. [Did the doctors despair?] Yes. So the father and the mother and the doctors — what do they say? They say that it is growing — and growing — and growing. And it is impossible to perform surgery. And they do not know what to do. I told them to say — he and his wife — "B'Roshay Chodshaychem" — and she will have a healing. And so it was. He began to say "B'Roshay Chodshaychem" — he and his wife. And the daughter eats and sleeps. [Everything is fine.] Yes. [This is Rabbainu — this is the Likutay Moharan of Rabbainu Nachman.] Yes — certainly. [This is a remedy for small children.] Good for children. [Yes.] The father and the mother should say "B'Roshay Chodshaychem." [Saba — what Rabbainu says in Sefer HaMidos — such words — one sees them with one's own eyes — alive and in existence. Such truth. He is alive and in existence every moment — every second — in every situation — in every place. One does not see such a thing by any other tzaddik.] No. [In this generation — no tzaddik can help. In this generation — in this darkness — no tzaddik can help.] Only Rabbainu. [Only Rabbainu and the books of Rabbainu. In this generation — only — only the books of Rabbainu.] [And the writings.] [One truly feels this — it is attached.] So by the poor Litvaks. [Yes.] What will be with the Gemara? [Likutay Halachos — is this not all Gemara?] Yes. [When one says Likutay Halachos…] This illuminates for us the Gemara and all… [Everything — everything.] And all the Torah. [Certainly.] [They are afraid that Likutay Halachos will drive all the Litvaks mad.] I know — here — last Shabbos — (not understood) — with the niggun "Na Nach." ["Na Nach".] Yes — all went from the prayer — Kiddush — and stood: "What is this?" [And they kept asking: "What is 'Na Nach'?"] [Such a niggun — Saba — a niggun of "Na Nach." There has never been such a thing — every moment it is new — it renews. "Na Nach" renews — renews the person — renews the person — renews the person…] (a problem with the tape) Segment 9 EN: Ask them — did you know — did you know Avraham Luria? He knew everything — everything — he was (not understood) — of them — yes. They used to come to him every time in Teveria. [A friend of mine who studied with me in Hertzliya — he said to me — do you know him?] He had — he had a great name — fame — a great famous person. [Avraham Luria.] Yes he… And I entered to him. And there were some Chassidim there with him. I said to him — Avraham — I (not understood) — I did not draw him close to Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. I said to him: "Avraham — what will be of you?" (not understood) They already knew that he — that he loves Breslov. I said to him: "Avraham — when — when?" He loved Breslov like his soul — he loved this. He — he {received} me. I — when I met him. "Avraham — nu — nu — nu — what? When?" So he began to weep: "What will be of me? Why not — not (not understood) — I want to be a warrior like you." [I also want to be a warrior like you — Saba. I also take from you.] No — not the money. I want to learn Torah. (not understood) Like this he was respected — he… [He had students.] Yes. The holy Rabbainu said to his people — (not understood) — praise of me or of Breslov — they should say — what — you are not — not this is about Breslov — about Breslov — (not understood) — and all of them also — they had jealousy upon me — upon me. All of them — they saw his courage — mine. They did not understand from where he took such courage. [Nu — from where — from hisbodedus?] Yes — so they were afraid to touch a Breslov book — they do not learn Breslov. [He was warm — he was warm?] The Simple Man praised the shoe — he {left it} — what a sweet thing — how beautiful the shoe. The shoe had three tips. In all the days of my life I have not heard of a shoe with three tips — only the shoe of the Simple Man. The shoe of the Simple Man — he had three tips. I did not know that there is a shoe with three tips. [Only Rabbainu could think of such a Simple Man.] I have not heard of a shoe with three tips. (not understood) There is no such a shoe. And the Simple Man says: "How beautiful this shoe is — how sweet — how honey and sugar." So I — (not understood) — I have never in all my days heard that there is a shoe with three tips. [How does a shoe with three tips look? How does it look — the shoe?] The Wise Man learned goldsmithing — medicine — diamonds. But not — not cobbling. And the Simple Man learned only — only cobbling — a cobbler. And also the cobbler — he could not do it well either — because he was also a Simple Man. (not understood) His livelihood was very meager. And his shoe — he received one coin for it. (not understood) So he said — when he finished the shoe — he had three tips. He took the shoe and said: "How sweet is this — how beautiful is this shoe." Segment 10 EN: [How does a shoe with three tips look?] But I have not heard — I have not heard of such a thing — that there is a shoe with three tips. # Tape 15G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/25/ Tape 15G, Side Aleph קסטה 15G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/25 Segment 1 EN: So he said to him: "Go — search for an apartment and tell me how much it costs." The landlord was very happy and said to him: "The apartment — I want to be in Teveria for two months." {An expert.} He went and… Good. (not understood) So he gave him all the money. Yes. And there was food for the donkeys. Afterwards came the matzos — the matzos — I already told you about this. The one who makes flour had — he had flour for sale. And Rebbe Yisroel came and said to him: "He — I will give you — I have flour and I give it to you." He said: "Give me money afterwards — after Pesach. I am afraid of you people." Yes — there was Pesach in Teveria. Wine? Wine — I do not remember any more. But the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged everything for him. He had it in great abundance. Yes. And my father — he (not understood) me — I have no time — I have no time — they do not go to the yeshiva and… Yes — one had to buy potatoes — potatoes. And one had to go — he wanted to go to the place where they receive the potatoes. (not understood) For the honor of Pesach — a song — everything he wanted — he had everything — for Yisroel Ber. [Mesiras nefesh — ah.] Perhaps I will succeed in drawing close to the holy Rabbainu. And I did not give you — I have no hat. (not understood) The whole city circled — through the whole city. [Almost a donkey!] What is this — I am not — (not understood) — he took everything without money — flour and matzos to bake. He paid everything after Pesach. And I saw wonders. He took some — some jugs for Pesach — and paid a great deal of money — for the water — so that there would be — from before Pesach until after Pesach — the whole week. [How was Pesach with him?] I had great joy — that I merited — that I merited to see such things — such wonders. I saw his prayer and his hisbodedus — and I saw that he is entirely truth and emunah. And there is — there is nothing like this in the world. Yes — I saw that this — (not understood) — the Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy upon me and gave me such a thing — Rebbe Yisroel. And I saw that he dances. I did not know — I came — and as if he was doing — I came to his house and I saw that he dances. "Oy — Master of the Universe — You gave me — (not understood)" His father was joyful. They came to him and said: "He has become Breslov." So he said: "What — he has become Breslov? If I tell him not to be Breslov — then he will not be." I came — and he said to me: "This and this came and told me that you have become a Breslov Chassid. I do not want this in any way." And he was blind and poor — very poor — and also blind — my father. And I said to him: "Father — I want only Breslov." Here — this {became} — the mother — the mother heard such words from him — that he wants only Breslov — she began to weep. The father began to weep greatly — from the great grief — that he had become a Breslov Chassid all of a sudden. What is this? Nu — there was — there was joy. I cannot tell everything — but he wept. [Good — blessed be Hashem — may Hashem help that we merit to walk in the ways.] He came and said to him: "He is already renting by him for two — two months in Teveria." He opened the cashbox and gave him — (not understood) — he gave him money and money and… Yes. And that he should pay for the apartment — and pay for the donkey — on account of the donkey. And blessed be Hashem — he took all the utensils for the apartment — for the apartment. Nu — blessed be Hashem. But — but there was not… Yes — they will send. [The Slonim Chassidim.] The Slonim Chassidim — he has become Breslov — they went again to his father: "Your son has become Breslov." And I came. He said to me: "Father — Rav Motl said to me — and this one said to me — that you have become a Breslov Chassid. I do not want this in any way. I want you to be like — like the whole world." I said to him: "This does not — not appear to me. I want only Breslov." (not understood) And the mother heard how he weeps — and he pleads with me: "Have mercy on me and on yourself. Do not — do not be Breslov. You need to make a match — who will take you? Who will take you?" I do not know what I was speaking — I was already a bridegroom in Tzfas. So he said to me: "The in-law will hear that you have become Breslov — so he will take the wife away — and what will be if he does not give me the wife — he will not give me his daughter." And so it was. My father-in-law was a great opponent against Breslov. He said to me: "I do not want Breslov in any way." I had a handshake agreement with Rebbe Yisroel — that we must meet at least once a day and once at night — whether to learn — whether not — but to meet — we must meet. Nu — nu — he locked the door and did not let me go out. He did not know of this. But he wanted that I should not go to Rebbe Yisroel. And I said to my wife: "What is this? He took me as a bridegroom — not — not for Chassidus. What is this? I want Breslov." So she said to her father: "He wants only Breslov." He struck her with murderous blows: "Write a divorce! What is Breslov?!" (not understood) And I was a great stubborn one — and not — and I wanted only Breslov. Not {I paid attention to money} — and I could not bring money. And the father — he is blind and poor. And I — (not understood) — the father and the mother heard that I want only Breslov. Nu — nu — they had — they had — they had great grief. As if I were lying dead. Nu — there is more — and more — and more — until today — there is — there is and there is. Segment 2 EN: I needed a prayer book to pray. I wanted a beautiful prayer book — a prayer book that would have all the prayers and all… and Psalms — and Birchas HaMazon. But such a prayer book in Teveria — there is none — only in Yerushalayim. And my mother had to go to Yerushalayim. I took money — money that I had. There was one in Teveria — Yaakov Kasir — an old man. Yes — he had money. And he was a great miser — he did not give a donation — he did not give tzedakah. And I prayed such prayers — he said to me — he gave me every day a large coin. I took the coins and gave to mother. I had several coins. I gave to mother — that she should buy — that she should bring me from Yerushalayim a Kol-Bo siddur — such a siddur that has… Segment 3 EN: (not understood) From this siddur — perhaps it has prayers from Breslov? Nu — nu — who can tell what I had? Now I laugh and you laugh. If you had been there? Nu — nu — you would be weeping with me together. What is this? He — he… There was no Breslov Chassid in Tzfas. Nu. And I all of a sudden became a Breslov Chassid. And Rebbe Yisroel — everyone knew that he is a Breslov Chassid. And I learned with Rebbe Yisroel — and I prayed with Rebbe Yisroel. And I remember there was a joyful light. (not understood) Segment 4 EN: I remember until now — like now — like now — such shouting! What is this? The donkeys — he — he works all day and needs to eat. What is this? I can give — (not understood) — gives him money to pay the donkey owner — {that they should eat} — and they need to work today as well. He argued: "If you have no money — why did you travel?" He was several years in Teveria — and all were opponents. All were Slonim Chassidim — Karlin and Slonim — and all were opponents. And I was alone. Yes. And I walked with Rebbe Yisroel — always together — to hear from him some — (not understood) — some word. Yes. And they saw and said: "Yisroel Ber walks with Rebbe Yisroel — and he learns Breslov books. What — have you not heard? (not understood) He does not listen to his father and to us — and now — (not understood) — he wants only Breslov." And my father — I grieved him so greatly. Yes — there was so much grief. I said: "I want only Breslov." Yisroel Meir — Yisroel Meir — he knows — he knows a great deal. I told him a little. Yisroel Meir [Gabbai.] Gabbai. (not understood) Such great shouting as this — of the donkey owner — I have not seen. The donkey needs to eat — and I need to eat — what is this? If you have no money — don't travel. [Saba — we are praying Minchah.] Segment 5 EN: …Holy tzaddikim — truth — and emunah — and… Oy — how good — how pleasant — how good. If there are {upon him} humiliations and shedding of blood — for the sake of truth — for the sake of the Holy One Blessed Be He — for the sake of the Torah — how good this is {for a person.} The holy Rabbainu speaks of this in Likutay Moharan in the Torah "Kra es Yehoshua." Rabbainu says: "The essence of teshuvah is humiliations and shedding of blood." "Yesh lahafoch dam l'dom" — one can transform 'blood' into 'silence.' (not understood) To the opponents — only silence — silence — silence — silence. 'Blood' and 'shedding of blood'? Silence! Oy — good — good! If only I had known how precious humiliations and shedding of blood are — I would have prayed to the Holy One Blessed Be He to give me more — and more — and more. And I saw how the Holy One Blessed Be He pays back. He — {Moshe Klirs} was a king with pride. Yes. And he had — his son — Elazar Klirs made a bank — he made the Klirs bank. A bank — yes — this was the biggest bank in Teveria. A bank. And I had no bread to give to small children — to children — not bread — not shoes — not bread — not a garment — nothing. I do not know how I am alive — and how my children are alive. Segment 6 EN: …To reach Uman — all the world — England — America — to Uman? No! The people ask for a visa — where to? To Uman? No! No! Now the holy Rabbainu — he — he told them to enter the grave — into the grave. Yes. And he conquered the whole world. He is Uman — he — he is in Uman — and all who want can come — can come to Rabbainu. Such a wonder — that every person can come to Rabbainu. And he rectifies us — he helps us — he revives us — he — he gives us wisdom — and intelligence — and knowledge — and such light as has never been before. And now is the time that is close to the coming of Mashiach. Yes. The holy Rabbainu writes to me — and this — in his letter: "V'alecha amarti mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." "Talmidi HaYakar." (not understood) "Talmidi HaYakar" — "V'alecha amarti mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." And I was very broken then. So he wanted — he — to revive me. So he — he — so he comes and begins: "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess lehagid lecha ki nehenaytis me'od" — (Saba draws out the word "very") — "me'avodascha. V'alecha amarti mein Feiyerel vet tlien biz Mashiach vet kumen." (not understood) "V'alecha amarti" — "V'alecha amarti" — nu. So the words of Rabbainu can testify — it is the generality of all the Torah — the generality of all the souls of Yisroel — all {the world.} Yes. He writes to you — to him — and to me — he enjoyed greatly. He writes: "Me'od hayah kasheh li laredess elecha" — and "V'alecha" — not — not only to you — to you — and to you — and to you — and to all of Yisroel. He has already conquered — he already knows how to help us — and how to take us out of the darkness — and how he illuminates in us the light of Hashem — and the Torah — and the emunah. What? Never yet has such a thing been in the world. Now — blessed be Hashem — it is possible for the world to draw close — that the holy Rabbainu — all the world can come to him in Uman — in two and a half hours — from Lod to Uman — two and a half hours. Nu — all the world knows — all the world knows that it was closed — and no human being could come to Uman. Yes — because they were enemies of people. The enemies did not — not — not allow reaching Uman. And we reached — we came to Uman — yes — in secrecy and in great suffering — we suffered very greatly. But now? Rabbainu told them to go — to go to Russia. I do not know — they do not know where they are. Not one has remained of all the Communists — without a bullet — without a war. Yes. And the holy Rabbainu became famous and great in the whole world — and everyone can come — even without a visa. I was by — by the President and by {Shamir.} Yes. (not understood) So they took him to the city — and it became known that he {the child} of — (not understood) — he — his mother took him. (not understood) So {Rebbe Yisroel} said to me that he was the name — his — of the child — he saw written on — on the tombstone. (not understood) {There was a child Yisroel — dead.} He is already — he is alive — he is alive. (not understood) Yes. But on the tombstone it is written {Yisroel} — dead. {Oy — Rabbainu — Rabbainu — Rabbainu. (not understood)} Such a matter — such wonders — such — as there are none in the world. That if — (not understood) — every person — {then} — all his words — he — he told the Ma'asiyos. (not understood) — {what there is} in the world such a wonder — that he can tell such stories. (not understood) — that this is such a wondrous matter. Oy — there will be more — there will be more. The whole world will know and recognize what Rebbe Nachman is. (not understood) # Tape 15G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/26/ Tape 15G, Side Bais קסטה 15G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/26 Segment 1 EN: He does not know what this is. Yes — he is a non-Jew. [A non-Jew.] (not understood) (someone speaks in Yiddish) He says — (not understood) — that a great deal of strengthening is needed. He is afraid of the Americans. (tape change) Segment 2 EN: …We need {to live.} So it is impossible now. (not understood) Another year — another year — and another year. (not understood) (tape change) Segment 3 EN: {Nu — hasten the time.} We need — (not understood) — so there is now at this time — a year — and another year — and another year. We shall wait. Then there will be by all of them — [a great downfall.] The whole world will be Breslov — at the coming of Mashiach. (not understood) And all will be nullified — all will fall and be nullified — nullified. They are nullifying themselves now as well. They — they calculate that Yisroel is above all — above all — above the whole world. They come from America. [In America their soldier is a great eagle — it is an eagle — this is the sign — the sign of the state — an eagle — this is the great eagle.] (a problem with the tape) Wait — just wait. [There is no strength to wait.] (not understood) Over the whole world — vanity — vanity — vanity and emptiness. They are nothing — they have nothing — only the Land of Yisroel — Yisroel and the Torah. And the Land of Yisroel — there is a sign — there is a sign in Sefer HaMidos. [Yes.] "Eretz Yisroel." Yes? [Yes.] Yes — it has it. [Yes.] "Eretz Yisroel." Have you prayed Minchah? [Not yet.] One must — one must hurry. [Yes.] So that the time does not pass. [Yes — we will go down.] [All good — Gut Yohr.] Gut Yohr. He wrote to the father and to the grandfather. [Yes.] I {left} him. And this was a year ago. (not understood) And the room was — was already entirely water — the room — great danger. And blessed be Hashem — he is alive — he came out of the room alive. There was darkness and wetness — entirely — entirely water. And I feared that he would die. What is this? This room — he had no choice — so only — only this room was his. (not understood) Ask him there — he will tell you what happened — where they were. (tape change) Segment 4 EN: …Katamon as well — this is great miracles. Where was — (not understood) — every Jew — all the Jews — to captivity. Horowitz — Horowitz. [Yih — yih.] What is his name? [Shmuel — Shmuel.] Shmuel Horowitz. And all who were living in the Old City — did they all go into captivity? (not understood) Twenty years — not one Jew — for all twenty years. And now — the whole world will see — all of us are in the Land of Yisroel. The Land of Yisroel — the Land of Yisroel. They cannot do anything to us. When they speak — we tell them: "This is our land — this is the inheritance of our fathers — our fathers. This — this is our state — the Beis HaMikdash is ours — Yerushalayim is ours." Nu — what do you want? They are afraid that we will be above them — and they — (not understood) — they are afraid. Yes. But we did not give them anything. This is our state — each person can do in his own state what he wants. Go from here — are you the master of the house here? Shamir said to them: "Go from here. Do you have complaints? Here is a complete letter — that this is ours." What? This is our state — each one can lead the state as he wishes. You are not our master. ["Tamid aynei Hashem Elokecha bah merayshis hashanah v'ad acharis shanah."] They — they — they study Tanach. They know this. [They are afraid.] But they do not believe — they do not believe what there is in traveling to the Land of Yisroel — what is this? The Jews are here? We will be their servants — their slaves — their soldiers? So they are afraid of this. So they want there to be Arab control here as well — an Arab state too — and not only Yisroel. But it will not help them. We say to them: "No — no — no — no. This is our state — not of the Arabs." Nu — nu — Minchah — Minchah — Minchah. Nu. "Always a person must be careful with the prayer of Minchah." (not understood) (tape change) Segment 5 EN: (not understood) Because he wants to print — and I had no money. But blessed be Hashem — now I have money. Blessed be Hashem. [To begin.] To begin and to finish. [To distribute throughout the whole world.] [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner gave his soul.] Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner gave his soul to print the books.] Yes — he gave his soul — and the soul of his household — his family — and all. (not understood) Yes — to print — to print. (not understood) There was one Sephardic man — there was — there was — a cobbler. And he bought from Rebbe Yisroel a book — one book that appealed to him. So he — he — he — he gave him all the honor in the world. This book? He did not — not see. This cobbler was like the Simple Man — the Simple Man — his shoe had three tips — and he praised it and said that it was… And he gave to Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner all the honor in the world. (not understood) Who — Rav Klirs — he gave him as well. [Yes?] Yes — the family. He wrote to the family to come. After I had drawn close — so he could not go to Tzfas — because of me — I was in Teveria — and I was a bridegroom from Tzfas. So the whole world would say — all the opponents — I went to the army. So he wrote to his wife to come to Teveria. He could not come to Tzfas. And as soon as she — as soon as she received the letter — she went to the donkey owner — she wants to travel to Teveria. And she did not have even one penny — (not understood) — to Teveria — to pay for the donkey. No. The donkey owner — he came to Tzfas — and she said to him: "She has no money — nothing." So he said to him: "What — don't you also need to eat? I need to eat — this is not… Bring money — bring money!" So she did not have any. He took all the belongings — (not understood) — everything — everything he took. (not understood) "Bring money! The donkey worked the whole day and he needs to eat — and I also — I need to eat — and the family also — they also need to eat. Money — bring money!" [What happened in the end?] In the end it was… [Did he take her?] There was in Teveria a couple — a couple famous throughout the whole world. When night came there was — (not understood) — such shouting. What was the dispute? Everything he said — she — she [said the opposite] — said the opposite. Everything he said — she did not want — no — no — the opposite. I am h… His name was Moshe — Moshe — Moshe from Bobrisk. There is in Russia a city whose name is Bobrisk. There — he — he is Moshe — and his wife's name was Rachel. I went to him and said to him: "Know — the wife of Rebbe Yisroel — with the small children — they need a place to sleep. Perhaps you will go — you and your wife — {to the sons.}" He had a large house — like the Simple Man he had a large house. "You will give the house to Rebbe Yisroel — to the wife of Rebbe Yisroel." He said to me: "You do not know — who does not know of this? Everything I say — the opposite." So he said to me: "I will not speak at all. You go and speak with her. Yes — and say that I do not know what to do." I came and I explained to her. I said to her: "Small children — in the market — they have no place to sleep and eat. There are no small children — five small children." So she was afraid. She said: "Yes — yes." She — yes — the husband says to her such and such — so she does — she says: "No — no — no — in no way — in no way." But precisely — I went — and I succeeded — and she agreed. [She went.] She went to the sons. She gave the large house. It was large like a soup kitchen. They did not have that night — a large house and a large bed — for the children. And there was great joy. [Who paid for the donkey?] Who paid for the donkey? In the morning we went — and Rebbe Yisroel did not speak with me. (not understood) He was a great opponent. He said to him: "My wife and my sons came for the Passover holiday. And I — I have no house — apartment — I have no money — I have no means to pay for the donkey." I was — I walked together with him — I was with him. So Rav Moshe said to him: "Go search for an apartment — first of all an apartment — because they have no place to be — no place to live." He went and succeeded — and found a good large spacious apartment. Yes. And he said to him — said to him: "I found — I found an apartment. But money — money? How much money?" He said to him: "So and so many shekels — so and so many shekels." He opened the — [drawer] — drawer — and gave him the money. Like this it was — like this he does to me. The biggest opponent — the Rav of all the opponents. [He gave the money.] He gave the money — for the donkey — and for — (not understood) — he has great merit. There is a great deal to tell — {only about this} — there is a great deal to tell. He was a child — and he sat — and his father was {buying bread — Rav Meir — Meir.} (not understood) Yes. And Rabbainu's people — the people — the people of Rabbainu — were in the Land of Yisroel. (not understood) And he was a child — he {learned.} But the people of our circle — or he was a {son of} Torah. (not understood) But he had — he had a great mind. And he became a rabbi — and became a rabbi — and became — (not understood) — yes. And he became a Slonim Chassid. He did not hold with Breslov — there was not. (not understood) And he became a Slonim Chassid. Yes. He was an opponent. Yes. He was a great opponent. But he — (not understood) — Breslov is a great thing. (not understood) Yes. But he did not reveal what is {around him} — he did not reveal. But — (not understood) — Rebbe Yisroel knew of this — that he had become — (not understood) — Breslov. He went to him {to Moshe} and said to him: "The children are at Rav Moshe's." (not understood) He said: "I cannot speak. If I speak — then it will be — (not understood) — so you speak — and then perhaps — perhaps." (not understood) I went — and he — (not understood) — I said to him: "The children came dumbly into the market." So I ask — so — to Rebbe Moshe: "Give {a circle} to the children." And the house was a large house. And I said {to myself}: "With five small children — one needs a large house." Yes — in any case — at night there was — there was — there was for them — (not understood) — to sleep. Yes. And in the morning he took me to the Rav — Rav Moshe Klirs. And he said to him: "My wife and my sons came for the Passover holiday." And there was — (not understood) — so {he said} to him: "Go — search for an apartment. Search for an apartment and come and tell me how much it costs." Yes — like the… He came and said to him that it costs — (not understood) — how much money. {Take the} apartment. He gave him all the money. (not understood) I already had an apartment for — (not understood) — and his wife and the children. (not understood) What is this — I did not hear. (not understood) Why — {did you travel?} — if there is no money — {one does not travel.} But I knew nothing. In the morning — after {the prayer} — he walked with me to the Rav. And I thought that he {would throw him out} of the house. What — why did you not give — (not understood) — nu — I could not not tell him. I cannot leave Rebbe Yisroel. (not understood) [Moshe.] He knew of this. He {understood} it. He was a scholar — he understood it. My mother — (not understood) — she — he told him — he said to him — that he had sent {a letter to come.} Only — he wrote that I have no — bring me the money. "Greetings to the children {on the Passover holiday}." He said to him — that he had written to him — that this {is for him.} He came — there was {a small difficulty} with him. She came — and I have no apartment. So — (not understood) — he came to him in the morning. He went — he found a very beautiful apartment. (not understood) — that Teveria is not like {in the past}. So Teveria had already become — (not understood) — {this is not — not.} "Go — buy the apartment — tell me — come and tell me how much money." He went and succeeded — and found a fine — good — large apartment. Yes. The landlord wants — (not understood) — to travel for two months. Good. So he opened the drawer — and gave him all the money that he needed. He already had money for the children to eat. And he had also an apartment — a large apartment. [And matzos?] Ah? [Matzos — matzos — did he buy them afterwards?] Matzos? [Of course.] Yih — yih. There was — some days before the Passover holiday — matzos. He had matzos. (not understood) I was learning in the yeshiva — and I knew one scribe — who needed a livelihood. He does binding for the purpose of milling — and he has — he milled — (not understood) — flour — kosher flour. So he came — yes. Rebbe Yisroel: "I will give you." So Rebbe Yisroel said to him: "Good — give it to me. But money — I have no money now. I am afraid of you people." He gave him whatever he wanted. From there I went to whoever has an oven. I — (not understood) — he saw Rebbe Yisroel. He heard rumors. And he knew that he — (not understood) — "I need to bake matzos." "Good — I will give you — but money? I have none now — afterwards I will give you." So he — "I am afraid of you people — you — (not understood) — I will do without money." Like this and like this it was. Yes. No one — not — {Breslov} — the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged for him one man from Yavne'el. Yavne'el — there was there an old man — one man — who loved Breslov. So Rebbe Yisroel said to him: "He needs warm clothing — and he needs money." He brought money. (not understood) "Go and receive warm clothing." And also he gave him to eat. He had chickens — he took a large chicken. (not understood) And made — for him and for me — a soup. And said to him to eat. Rebbe Yisroel said to him: "I do not eat — only bread and tea." He said to him: "The utensil is kosher — do not be afraid." No — he said to him: "Not from this. I want only bread and tea." "But I have already prepared the soup — I have already cooked — already cooked — and it is ready." Nu — if Rebbe Yisroel will not eat — I also did not eat. Nu — he laughed with me. (not understood) For what has he come? He said to him — he has come. (not understood) So he said to him: "Go — search for an apartment — and tell me how much it costs." The landlord was very happy and said to him: "The apartment — I want to be in Teveria…" # Tape 16G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/27/ Tape 16G, Side Aleph קסטה 16G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/27 Segment 1 EN: …[Here — here — here.] President Sharett — is he — is he here? (Saba laughs.) [His name pursues you until today.] [He wants rectification — how would it not pursue him?] [Shazar.] He said to him: "You are not my friend — and not Ben Gurion. Yisroel Ber Odesser — he is my friend!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: …The opponents said on the Shabbos that he was in Yeru… — that he walked to Yerushalayim on foot — Rav Tzvi Rosenthal. [Yes.] They said that they had sent him to Uman — "you do not know — not — Breslov. They sent him to Uman. He — he is not in the Land." (Saba laughs.) Segment 3 EN: …[Shazar.] He said: "Ben Gurion and Moshe Sharett — they are not my friends. My friend is only Yisroel Ber — Yisroel Ber Odesser." (Saba laughs.) Segment 4 EN: [I have a brother — Rafael — I want him to be like me — to sing "Na Nach" — yes — to be Breslov. So he needs such a song for him — a blessing for him.] Ah? [He will be a great Chassid — with Hashem's help.] May Hashem bless him with all salvations — [Amen] — in Torah and yiras Shamayim — and emunah and teshuvah. [Rafael — Rafael ben Shoshana.] Chaim ben Shoshana. [No.] Ah? [Rafael — Rafael.] Rafael ben Shoshana. [Amen — amen — that he should draw close to Rabbainu Nachman.] [Also Gad — Gad ben Rina — Gad ben Rina.] That he merit salvation in the merit of Rabbainu — Rabbainu — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." [Now I have another brother — I have a brother who is fine — Shealtiel — Shealtiel ben Shoshana.] Shealtiel ben Shoshana. [May they be good soldiers for Rabbainu — to distribute "Na Nach."] Segment 5 EN: …I want. [Are you warm? Saba — ah — you did not say Tikkun HaKlali.] No — I already forgot. [So say: "Michtam l'David — shomraini El ki chasisi vach."] [Say: "Hareyni mekasher atzmi…"] Segment 6 EN: …(One hears a cassette of songs playing.) Segment 7 EN: …And also they have children. Incidentally they also have sons as well. But the main thing for them is the desire — the… "And these tzaddikim — the tzaddikim — they get married for the sake of children — they want children — for this they get married!" (Saba laughs.) They thought that this — it was hard for them. They did not — not know how to answer this. And he gave them a sufficient response. And they — they — they did not answer. (Saba laughs.) And they nullified themselves before Rebbe Yisroel — and they loved him for all that he had spoken with them — and he answered them everything. And they nullified themselves — and they drew close — and they drew close to Rabbainu. Yes. And they supported him and… Yes. Oy. (Saba laughs.) They did not — the first time in their lives — the three — the three wise ones — they — they saw for the first time in their lives such a commotion. So when they heard — so they asked: "What is this commotion? What? What is there?" "Ho — have you not heard that Yisroel Ber has become Breslov?" "We heard. Nu — so what?" "What? — they took him — Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal.)" And they told him. They saw such commotion — such — what is this Breslov? And Rav Tzvi went to pray. (Saba laughs.) On Sunday I was afraid — perhaps the village chief wants money? He will come again and take me to prison. Money — "Where is Rav Tzvi? Money — only money — money!" (Saba laughs.) So — so I saw a place near the Karlin synagogue — a place — a closed place — a place where one cannot see. I was there the whole day near the synagogue. Yes. Perhaps Mordechai will come with the policemen — I… And they — not one person knew who — where — where I am. So they will go to search. (Saba laughs.) In any case I — I was there until Minchah. At Minchah I went up — from the place where I was — to the synagogue — to pray Minchah — to hear Kedushah and… There came — there came the elder — Rav Kehas — Rav Kehas — he — he was a Karliner. And also — and also the father of the wife — of the wife of Rav Tzvi Rosenthal — was also a Karliner. And they were friends. So Rav Kehas went to pray Minchah — and heard that the police had taken Mordechai — the village chief — to Istanbul. And there is against him a great complaint — that he is a spy — that he… Yes. So Rav Kehas said: "This is Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — Rebbe Yisroel — this is the doing of Rebbe Yisroel — Rebbe Yisroel — he punished him — he — he — he gave him a punishment. Hashem gave him a punishment for this — for this Shabbos — he — they took him. And from that time he vanished — I did not see him. He had… Teveria did not see him anymore. Perhaps he… I think they killed him. A spy — there was a complaint that he is a spy. So the English — they — they — they — they were at war with Turkey. And here was Turkey — also Syria was Turkey — and Lebanon was Turkey — everything was Turkey. Yoy — and… Nu — Turkey. And the complaint was that Mordechai is a spy — he — he — he is a spy — everything there is here in Turkey — he passes on to the enemy — to their enemy. So this is espionage. So he did not return alive — from the day — from that first day. He did not return to Teveria — not to the Land of Yisroel. Not — not known where — where he is — where he is. Yes. Whether they killed him and… In any case — not known. Teveria remained without the village chief — without Mordechai! Yes. (Saba laughs.) He made such a Shabbos — so he had such a Sunday — that they took him to Istanbul — and he did not return alive. (Saba laughs.) This was like a spectacle — such a spectacle. The whole city was in uproar. The Sephardim — they — they are a people unto themselves. They do not know what there is among the Ashkenazim. And the Ashkenazim do not know what there is among the Sephardim. Two — two — two separate faiths — this is Sephardim — and this is Ashkenazim. Yes. The one of them does not resemble the other. But the affair of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal)? There was all — all the city — all the Sephardim knew that such a thing — such a thing had happened. (Saba laughs.) That Rav Tzvi went to pray — to pray on Friday — and not — and not returned! (Saba laughs.) Nu — the whole city — both the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim — all were — all were — there was such a commotion: "How does one take… How does one do such a thing? On Friday — one goes to pray — and not…?" (Saba laughs.) This — this is not — this — this is such a wondrous affair as we have not yet heard! The affair — how is it possible…? How does one do such a thing? (Saba laughs.) He walked on Friday to Yerushalayim on foot. He had no money to travel. He walked on Friday — he went to pray — and from the synagogue he walked to Yerushalayim. (Saba laughs.) Has such an affair ever been heard? The uproar that there was in all of Teveria — among the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim — there was… Everyone spoke of Breslov: "What is this?" # Tape 16G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/28/ Tape 16G, Side Bais קסטה 16G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/28 Segment 1 EN: […Saba — Saba — I have — {I have no voice — I am here} — I am Gavriel — Gavriel wants a pidyon.] "Yomtaku kol hadinim v'chol hagevaros [Amen — in the merit of "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman."] mealaynu umay'al kol Yisroel." [Amen.] [Saba — do you want to drink water? To drink water.] Water — no. [Only tea without sugar.] Ah? [Tea and bread.] [More air? Saba — more air?] Meron — in Meron there is — there is… [In Meron it is pleasant.] Ho — ho. [There is a great deal of air — everyone wants a little air.] Segment 2 EN: [Not yet finished.] Money — no. {Divine Providence — this} — there is money here. (Saba laughs.) [Saba — Saba — Gavriel.] Segment 3 EN: [Saba — do you remember — I came to you in Yerushalayim? Do you remember — I came to you in Yerushalayim? To Yerushalayim — to Yerushalayim.] Do you want to travel to Yerushalayim? Good — good. I will go with you. But you drive. Segment 4 EN: [Saba — tell us about the Petek — about the Petek — how did the Petek come into the world.] Ah? [How did the Petek come into the world?] You do not know that there is a Petek? How is it possible to sleep? (Saba laughs.) [How did it come? Saba — how did the Petek come? Saba.] [I had a personal experience through my daughter — I was in the hospital — and I said "Na Nach." She needed hospitalization in the lung ward. I said: "I have such a Petek — what do I have? Doctors — blood tests — and tests of this — they already said: one needs to go to the third floor — injections in the back — all these tests." I said: "I have this Petek." My sister's son brought me this: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman." No one knows what I am murmuring. Within an hour — the doctors said — but she was not like this. They did her again — tests — tests — "Fine — go home — be in contact with us if you feel a change." I already know this hospital.] (Saba shouts: "Ah — ah — ah — ah.") [My sister's son had an accident — he was saved by a miracle. By a miracle he came out of the accident. This too {is connected} with the Petek — "Na Nach." One said: "He merited {to survive} the accident" — he said "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — four friends — nothing happened to them.] (Saba laughs.) [Saba — tell us about Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] Segment 5 EN: [Saba — Breslov Chassidim — there are none in the world — there are none!] [There are — what do you mean there are none?] [There are none like them.] [Ah — there are none like them.] [Rebbe Yisroel.] Ah. [In America there is a storm — a storm — a storm.] Is there an answer? [A storm — a storm.] What is there? A war? What is there in America? [A storm — winds — winds.] Ah? [A storm-wind.] I have not heard. What is there in America? [There is a storm.] [The non-Jews are falling — falling.] Yes? [With blows — receiving — all the non-Jews are receiving blows.] Yes? Really? [Really.] (Saba laughs.) Without the Blacks? [Without the Blacks.] (Saba laughs.) [In California.] California. [Yes — there are such winds there — in Florida and Miami — Saba — soon all the Jews will flee to the Land — and the non-Jews will remain without Jews — what will be?] Segment 6 EN: …[President Shazar — the President.] Nu — yes. She wants a divorce. [Yes.] What is this? This is a friend? Yisroel Ber — he is your friend? What is this? What kind of President is this? I — I — "Give me a divorce — I do not want such a President!" (Saba laughs.) [Who wanted a divorce? Saba.] Such a husband. [Who wanted a divorce?] Ah? His wife. Yes — she does not want a friend of — a friend like me. What? Is this your friend? Where is Ben Gurion? Where — who else? [Ben Tzvi.] Ah? [President Ben Tzvi.] Moshe Sharett — where is he? So he said: "Ben Gurion is not my friend — and not Sharett. My friend is only Yisroel Ber Odesser." (Saba laughs.) He — "Let us go to the rabbinic court — I — I want a divorce. What is this? Is this a President?" (Saba laughs.) And there was a dispute between them — and she said: "Only a divorce — if such a friend? A divorce!" (Saba laughs.) Oy. # Tape 2G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/3/ Tape 2G, Side Aleph קסטה 2G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/3 Segment 1 EN: I remember that in Teveria the air was very hot — and all… and the heat was so intense during the day that at night it was also very hot — because the stones had heated up from the sun, and there was great heat. And all the city slept on the rooftops — on the roof. And I too — also. But I rose several hours before — before the light of dawn — and I descended from the roof into the house. And our house had no windows — no, no… it was like a cave. And I descended from the roof. After midnight the air is a little cooler, and then comes the main time of sleep — the main — the main vitality. And then I descended to the room. And we had a small lamp of number '2'. Segment 2 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel — everything, everything that I have is not terrible. The main thing is that we succeed in doing what we need to do in this world. Continue.] Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. In any case I had a teacher who studied with me Raishis Chochmah and other mussar books. Segment 3 EN: [One of the friends makes the blessing "Boray pri ha'aitz."] Amen. And I was very attached to Rav Tzvi — to Rav Tzvi Rosenthal. They called him… [A moment — a moment. You checked? Yes.] They called him Rav Tzvi Litvak — and the family name was Rosenthal. And besides him I also had several other teachers, because I searched greatly for the service of Hashem in truth. Segment 4 EN: Among the Chassidim of Slonim — Slonim — there was one man called… there was an old man and a Torah scholar and yiras Shamayim and a Kabbalist. And he was a very old man. And I — and I engaged with him as well — that he should draw me close to the Holy One Blessed Be He. And he inclined his ear — his ear — to all my words, and he was very astonished. He saw: "What is this? There are other talented children — Torah scholars and yiray Hashem — and one does not hear from any of them that… that he suffers so much from the yetzer hara." Nu. In any case he received me with love. And I went — almost every night — almost every night I went to the synagogue. After the evening prayer I went to the Slonim synagogue. And he was the last to leave the synagogue. And I and he went together — and he already lived a little far from the synagogue. And I walked with him slowly, slowly until we reached his home. And along the way I told him all — all my pains — all that I was going through. And he wanted to help me. But, but… He spoke with me about emunah — certainly this was good for me. But that it should take from me — that… that it should illuminate upon me such light as I needed — he did not have. In any case I had several — several guides and teachers who studied with me. Segment 5 EN: Hey, hey, hey. Until I became bar mitzvah. After the bar mitzvah — one drew me close — there was one man whose name was Rav Motl the Slonimer. In his old age he became the Admo"r of Slonim. And he drew me very close, and he taught me Zohar and Gemara and Mishnayos. And he was my teacher. And I saw — almost — almost… much time in his home. And I saw that he — he — every moment he was only — only Torah study, only… And he was yiras Shamayim and had good character traits. I thought he was an angel of Hashem of Hosts — Rav Motl of Slonim. Nu. Segment 6 EN: And I searched for mesiras nefesh. And I told before several people all my sins — all that I had gone through — because I wanted to emerge from the mud and I wanted to change. So I thought: if I reveal the illness, then they will know — and know, know better how to help me, how to help me. In any case more and more passed over me — until I became seventeen years old. And then the Holy One Blessed Be He began to do miracles and wonders with me. I saw the Providence of the Holy One Blessed Be He — that He has compassion on me and helps me in all… helps me every time. Oy voy. Segment 7 EN: [Tell it.] In any case it is impossible to tell in every particular detail. [Tell it.] Nu. But — but the main thing — what… how I will succeed — I will begin to tell what passed over me — what the Holy One Blessed Be He had compassion on me and brought about the circumstances that I should merit to draw close to the holy Rabbainu. Segment 8 EN: One day I found a book of 'Shemos' — without a cover, without a beginning, without an end — 'Shemos' in a garbage bin. So I took it so that it should not be disgraced — I took the book from the garbage bin and walked… intending to put it in a genizah. And I went from the courtyard to the genizah. And the genizah was in the yeshivah. I entered the yeshivah and went to the genizah to throw the book in. But before I threw the book — I saw that the name of the book was "Hishtapchus HaNefesh" — "The Outpouring of the Soul." Segment 9 EN: [I don't understand — was this a book called 'Shemos' or 'Hishtapchus HaNefesh'?] Ah? [Was this 'Shemos,' 'Shemos'?] No. [Not a book with names.] No — it is called 'shemos' — without a cover. [Ah — it is called 'shemos' — not, I didn't think 'Beraishis,' 'Shemos.'] Ah — the book was torn and without an end, without a cover. So I went to throw it in the genizah — as one does with all torn books and… Before I threw it in the genizah, I saw that the name of the book was "Hishtapchus HaNefesh." "Hishtapchus HaNefesh" — this made an impression on me. Perhaps this is good for me. I began to read in it. And I saw that this was a kindness from the Holy One Blessed Be He — that I merited to find this book. Because every word in it — it was, it was for me. Segment 10 EN: Nu. From the time I found the book, I went with the book to seclude myself — hisbodedus — with the book. And I prayed as it was written there, in the name of Rabbainu — how to do hisbodedus and how to pray. And I went out into the fields. No one knew — like a thief. I stole myself away into the fields. And I had hisbodedus and I read in the book and I fulfilled what was written there. And I saw for the first time in my life — the power of this book, the power of hisbodedus — it kills all the destroyers, all the harmful forces, all kinds of disputes, all kinds of acts, all kinds of desires. I saw it eye to eye — that after the hisbodedus, when I returned to the yeshivah, I was like a new person. I felt within myself: "Where are all — all — all the destroyers? They were killed!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 11 EN: So I — I had this practice almost every day — to go out to the field, to the field with the book. And I had hisbodedus. And I saw new miracles and wonders — such as from the day I came to my senses I had never seen such wonders. This went on for a period of time. Once I was reading inside the book — and I did not know from whom this was, from what… who, who was the author of the book. Because it was without a foreword, without a beginning, without an end. And I did not know. And I kept the book — I locked it inside my box. And almost every day I went to the field with the book. And I saw great wonders — such as I had never had, and I did not know from whom this book was. Segment 12 EN: Once I was reading the book in my room — and a friend came to me. {To say the name?} [No — a friend.] No — a friend, a friend from the Chassidim of Karlin. [Yoy.] And he saw that I was reading with great awakening in the book. So he saw that the book — he saw that this was "Hishtapchus HaNefesh" — and he knew that this was from the books of Breslov. So he said to me — this friend said to me: "You are reading in this book?" So I was very astonished and became very angry and said to him: "This book is holy of holies — what are you saying?" So he said to me: "Animal — you don't know what there is — you know, you don't know anything of what there is in the world. This is from the books of Breslov — it is forbidden to read them. What? The rabbi and all the Admo"rim and the whole world are opposed to this and say it is forbidden — it is forbidden to read the books of Breslov." Segment 13 EN: I heard — for the first time in my life — that there is a Breslov in the world and that it is forbidden to read these books. So I said to him: "I do not listen to the whole world, to all the Admo"rim. This book is good for me — I have seen such wonders as are impossible to tell." So he said to me: "You are such an insolent one — such brazenness — against the Admo"r and against all the Admo"rim — so you are not a human being." I said to him: "For me this is good!" So he said to me: "This book is mine — I want the book." I did not want to give it to him. I said to him: "I acquired it from ownerless property — from the garbage bin." So he said it was his — and I said it was mine — and he overpowered me and took the book from me by force. Segment 14 EN: And I was left without the book. But I heard that there is a chassidus in the world called "Breslov." So I — I was left without the book. But I continued to do hisbodedus. And I prayed to the Holy One Blessed Be He that He have compassion on me — as He had begun to help me and I found this book — and I know what, what, what — what, what, what, what this worked upon me. So I asked from the Holy One Blessed Be He that He send me Breslov books and Breslov Chassidim. (Saba laughs.) Segment 15 EN: I was in Teveria and had not left Teveria. I did not know — Tzfas was close to Teveria. And everyone travels to Meron — as in Elul, on Lag BaOmer. And I was poor — I had no money. I did not travel to Tzfas. If I had traveled to Tzfas, I would have known perhaps — in Tzfas there were Breslov Chassidim. But no — I did not know about Breslov Chassidim. I asked from the Holy One Blessed Be He that He send me Breslov Chassidim. I thought: perhaps in Yerushalayim — perhaps somewhere in the world there are Breslov Chassidim. So I asked. And this… much time passed. And the Holy One Blessed Be He accepted my prayer and sent me to Teveria — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner. He did not want to move from Meron. Segment 16 EN: [Who did not want to move from Meron?] Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner. [Ah, ah.] What did the Holy One Blessed Be He do? He sent him an illness on his hand — on one hand. And the pains were so great that in the natural order of things it was impossible to bear such pains. And he was not able to say Chatzos or to pray or to study. Rachmanus. So Rebbe Yisroel did not regard this as the world regards — as chance. Rather he — he knew with complete faith that this was from the Holy One Blessed Be He. And he began to think: "Perhaps it is the will of the Holy One Blessed Be He that he should travel to Teveria — because in Teveria the cold is not so great — not so great is the cold — and so the illness would not hurt him so much, would not hurt him — he would not have such great pains and he would be able to serve the Holy One Blessed Be He." Segment 17 EN: But he was in doubt — he did not know clearly that he needed to… that it was the will of the Creator that he go to Teveria. So he did not want to move. Even though… But he saw that the pains were intensifying each time more, and it was impossible for him. So he did much hisbodedus and prayed much to the Holy One Blessed Be He — that He illuminate his mind with a complete — a complete clarification — whether it is the will of the Holy One Blessed Be He that he travel to Teveria — that he should know clearly that he should go to Teveria. So he did much hisbodedus over this and prayed much over this. And after all of these, he opened the book Likutay Halachos and found in it that it was the will of the Creator Blessed Be He that he travel to Teveria. Segment 18 EN: [On what page did he open the book?] Ah? [On what page did he open the book?] I do not know — he did not tell me. [As a hint — it is not written there explicitly that he should travel to Teveria — as a hint.] Yes. The book was — this — this — this I know: the book was the Yorah De'ah from the first printing of — of Rebbe Nassan. Because there was not then — not as today… [Yorah De'ah from the first printing of Rebbe Nassan.] Yes. Segment 19 EN: So since he now knew clearly that it was the will of the Creator to go to Teveria — he rose early in the morning and went on Thursday to Teveria. Ah — at the very hour that Rebbe Yisroel came — came on Thursday to Teveria — at that very hour — on Sunday we had begun baking bread for sale. Because — because our livelihood was grinding coffee. And then it was wartime. So — so… [There was no coffee.] There was no coffee — and we had nothing — nothing at all for — for a livelihood. So our relative — a family relation — Rav Binyamin Barzal. Segment 20 EN: [Rav Binyamin Barzal.] Yoy. Yes. He — he supported my mother as if she were his own mother. And so the father and the mother thought they would start baking bread. But who would give us even — even one kilogram of bread — [flour] — flour to bake bread? Because everyone knew that we were poor. So she went to the rabbi — Rav Binyamin Barzal — and he said to her: "No — do not fear. I will tell the flour dealer to give you a sack — two sacks — however much flour you need." So we started… yes, there was — we started baking bread on Sunday. Segment 21 EN: And he (Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner) came that week on Thursday. And there was a need for bread for the eve — for the evening meal. And when he descended from the donkey, he was — he needed bread to eat. So he met [Binyamin Barzal] — Rav Binyamin Barzal — and asked him to show him where to buy a loaf of bread. Rav Binyamin Barzal — he knew everything — knew that we had started baking bread. So he brought him to us. And I… And the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged the circumstance that I took out… We were five brothers in the house — and it was almost — almost all of them were older than me. And it was Providence that I took the loaf of bread and brought it out and gave it to Rebbe Yisroel. Segment 22 EN: When I saw Rebbe Yisroel — his form — I thought: this man is a hidden tzaddik and with him I will find what I am searching for — emunah and yiras Shamayim and… I thought this. And he put his hand into his pocket and took out money — to pay me for the bread. And I was thinking this. So he said — he gave me the money and said to me: "Perhaps it is possible to eat the bread at your home?" So I saw… so I felt that he knew my thoughts and my wishes — that I wanted to have a connection with him. But I saw that this was a distant thing — because the father would not agree to it — not because he didn't want to — not because he doesn't — doesn't want it. Because on Thursday evening we already need to bake challah and bread and… And we need to make the night and sleep. And also the house is small and we have no place for a guest to… to eat. And we need to make the night — to lie down and… And he would despise me: "What kind of question are you asking?" Segment 23 EN: So I — but I — for the sake of… Because I wanted to have a connection with Rebbe Yisroel, I strengthened myself with all my might and said — and said: "Whatever will be — even if he strikes me and despises me — I will ask the father — whatever will be." So I asked, and the father answered: "Yes, yes — there is a portion left — a little cooked food remains from the meal. So give it to him. Bread alone — he — will he eat bread alone? Then give it to him." So already I saw that this was Providence from the Holy One Blessed Be He — beyond nature — that I should have a connection with this holy tzaddik. Segment 24 EN: And so it was. They made the night — they said Birkas HaMazon and Krias Shema and they lay down to sleep. And I — and Rebbe Yisroel sat on — on — on a step — one step of the house. And I gave him bread to eat. Yes. And he performed the washing of hands and made the blessing of "HaMotzi…" And when I heard the blessing from him — "al netillas yadayim" and "HaMotzi…" — I saw that this is right — this is a hidden tzaddik. Because such a blessing I had never heard — had never heard. I grew up among Chassidim and they — and they learn Torah and are yiray Hashem. But such a blessing I had not heard. And also a face — such a form as Rebbe Yisroel had — I had not seen, had not seen. Segment 25 EN: So, so I gave him — what had remained of our meal — so that he should eat, eat this. So he said to me: "I eat nothing at all — only bread and tea." But we had no tea, and we had no machine — no kerosene stove. Only — there was… Only the wealthy had a kerosene stove. But the poor used tin primus stoves — and this is a craft — one needs to know how, how to make fire. And I did everything and… until I succeeded in lighting the fire and made tea. And each time I came into the house and spoke to Rebbe Yisroel — I did not know that he was a Breslover. I only knew that he was a hidden tzaddik. (Saba laughs.) Segment 26 EN: So I said to him softly — in secret — in his ear: "Rebbe Yisroel… I did not know — 'You should know that you have come to Teveria for my sake. I am such and such — I want very much to serve Hashem in truth. And there have been upon me, and there are upon me, very hard battles. And I am searching — all my life I am searching for a place where they will guide me and illuminate — illuminate within me the light — the light of Hashem — so that I merit to serve Hashem in truth. So you have come to Teveria for my sake — and I beg you: do not leave me!'" Segment 27 EN: And I — I saw that he was very moved. Because right when he descended from the donkey — the Holy One Blessed Be He had brought him to me and he heard such words. (Saba laughs.) He, he, he needed to travel earlier. But as long as he had no clarity — that he needed to travel to Teveria — he did not want to move from Meron. (Saba laughs.) Nu. Oy voy. Segment 28 EN: And also I saw with my own eyes Rebbe Yisroel — I saw what Breslov is. [What did you see? What?] I saw his prayer and his avodah and his Shabbos — his holy words, his desires — how he — what he suffered for me. What did he suffer? He came to Teveria and found Yisroel Ber — so he already forgot that he had a family in Tzfas, and that there was Meron. He threw everything aside — everything — only Yisroel Ber. (Saba laughs.) Oy voy — what — what — what… What happened — such an act — this, this is particular — this is a particular wonder as there is none — none like it. [Tell it, tell it.] Oy — nu — it is impossible to tell everything… Segment 29 EN: that he had eaten. Afterwards we went, we went — he (Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner) said to me he wanted to go to a synagogue. Nu — I went with him to a synagogue. And along the way I spoke with him and told him my situation — the… yes. And he heard everything. Segment 30 EN: And I wanted to say a verbal confession — vidduy devarim — before him, and he did not want to hear it. He said it is forbidden — that it is forbidden. He — this… [What is forbidden — what words are forbidden?] Ah? [What kind of words are forbidden?] [A verbal confession — vidduy devarim.] [Ah — vidduy devarim.] A verbal confession. [You wanted to make a verbal confession before him and he would not allow it.] No — only in general — not in detail — no. [I understand.] Yes. [In general.] In general. So… Segment 31 EN: And I spoke with him and wept before him — because I wanted so much — and I felt that there was with him healing — healings for me — and that he should not abandon me — that he should not, should not leave me, should not go to Meron. (Saba laughs.) So I wept before him and said — I pleaded with him — that he should not leave me. And he heard such a thing. And I saw that he was [moved] — so moved — because he saw eye to eye [the Providence of Hashem] that the Providence of the Holy One Blessed Be He had brought him to Teveria. Segment 32 EN: He came to Teveria — straight from the donkey — the moment he descended from it — straight to my house. And afterwards I went with him to a synagogue. And all the synagogues were locked, and I did not know where the key was — only one synagogue that was in Teveria from the students of the Baal Shem Tov, and from the grandfather of the holy Rabbainu — Rav Nachman Horodenker — Rav Klisker — all these holy tzaddikim built a synagogue at the edge of the lake — so that they could immerse in the lake and pray during the day whenever they wished — so that it would be close to the lake. They built the synagogue close to the lake. And the lake — in winter when there were many rains — rose and entered this synagogue until — until half the tables. The lake was inside the synagogue and one could not pray there. And this synagogue was open — and the tables and chairs stood in the water until it went down — until… until the month of Nissan — until the waters went down. Segment 33 EN: So we entered this synagogue and climbed onto a table and studied Torah Zayin from Part Two: "Ki merachamam yenahalem" — "For He leads them with compassion." And he studied with me this Torah all night long. And I merited — all my life I had not felt the taste of Torah, the taste of yiras Shamayim, the taste of… as in that night when he studied with me this Torah — this holy Torah — "Ki merachamam yenahalem." Hey — we were in the synagogue with the lake within it — all night long. And I did not feel that… you need to sleep. [He had candles also in his bag.] And he also had candles and matches — which in those days was something precious. And he was wealthy — and he had candles. He lit a candle and studied with me from Likutay Moharan until close to the light of dawn. Segment 34 EN: Until I heard the sound of weeping of my mother — she was weeping greatly, as after a death. She wept greatly: "Oy — my son, my son — my son Yisroel Ber — my son Yisroel Ber is lost, is lost!" (Saba laughs.) And I heard it. So I said to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner): "Oy voy — it is already after midnight, after… and my mother is searching, is looking for me." So I went out of the synagogue and went to my mother — walking toward her voice. I reached her and said to her: "What is all this weeping?" So she said: "What have you done? Where — where did you go the whole night? In any case — you know now — all… they have to throw out all the dough — all the challah and all the bread." (Saba laughs.) Segment 35 EN: Nu. And from that night there arose a commotion in Teveria — that night, that night. (Saba laughs.) [That night — different from all nights.] Yisroel Ber became a Breslover. Yes. [Bar mitzvah.] She told — the neighbors from the surroundings came in the morning: "What was all the weeping? What? What? What was this?" [What happened here?] What happened? So she told: "A man bought bread and went with him [all night] and disappeared — and did not return the whole night." And… They did not know who this was. But in the morning when I went to the synagogue and Rebbe Yisroel was in the synagogue and I spoke with him — then they said: "Nu — already — what was made has been made that night." (Saba laughs.) That night. Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. Segment 36 EN: Afterwards on Sunday we went to the yeshivah — he studied with me, and we studied the books of Rabbainu and Gemara and Shulchan Aruch — poskim. Nu. And they saw — oy voy — "Yisroel Ber — Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner is…" Nu. A machlokes rose against me — a great battle. Segment 37 EN: [Tell everything.] And the father and the mother and the close family and all — and all the yeshivah and everyone. [What did they do?] Ah? [What did they do? What was the machlokes? What? They spoke? They shouted? They hit? What did they do?] Hey — they… It is impossible to describe [describe it] and to imagine. They had — they had great pity. Only — only this they said: "Oy voy — Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover — Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover." Nu. They went from the yeshivah — they went to the parents, to the father and the mother, and told them: "Do you know? Yisroel Ber has become a Breslover." Segment 38 EN: So the father said: "I am not worried — I know my son. He honors his father and mother. He — even if it seemed that I would send him into fire — there is, there is no equal to him. You know him — he is yiras Shamayim and he fulfills the mitzvah of honoring his father. So I — he will come from the yeshivah, and I will tell him that I don't want — and he will certainly not be a Breslover. I have no concern." So they — they trembled: "You don't know what Breslov is? He won't listen to you — you need a heavy battle." So he said: "I am not worried — I know my son." Segment 39 EN: I came from the yeshivah — so the father said to me: "I heard from everyone in the yeshivah — Rav Motl of Slonim and everyone came and said that you have become a Breslover. Know, my son — have mercy on me. I do not want you to be a Breslover. I want you to be whatever Chassid you want — but not — only not Breslov!" So I said to him: "Father — I — I — you know, you recognize me. I — I honor my father and mother. In this — I will not listen to you." Ah. So he said: "You are right — they told me I do not know what Breslov is." This was the first time in my life — the first time — that I heard myself say I — that… I did not — I did not want to fulfill his words. Oy, oy voy, oy. Segment 40 EN: What happened then? What happened? What happened? Now one can tell — the rabbi — the rabbi — and Rav Motl and all — and all — and all the Chassidim — all the… All the city was already boiling… Segment 41 EN: [Minchah.] Ah — Minchah, Minchah — yoy, yoy… Segment 42 EN: [This will be a great feast — a royal feast tonight.] We will be able to go and take dollars. (Saba laughs.) [I have a little.] Segment 43 EN: [All his life he danced and was joyful once, and went —] [Saba — shall we sing a niggun?] Yes, yes — sing. [The friends and Saba sing: Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman. (Saba laughs.)] Segment 44 EN: [Saba — you told me that Tziporah went and saw you with Shazar — with President Shazar.] Nu. [When? At which wedding?] [At a wedding — yes, yes.] [Or in a hospital — in a hospital?] [I was with him at the hospital too.] In the hospital you were with him. [Yes — I was with him — correct.] Segment 45 EN: At the time of… (not understood) [What was there?] [We — the nurse said: "It is impossible to enter." So my father said to her: "Go in and say that Rabbi Yisroel Ber is here." And she entered and said: "Right away — right away let him in." And he went inside and he embraced my father and gave him a kiss on his hand, and he praised him — he embraced him like this — it was granted to him that he should give thanks for life. Yes.] Segment 46 EN: [He embraced him and gave him a kiss on his hand in the hospital — of Slonim — Shazar.] [In the hospital, and he said: "Oy — you came from Heaven. I remember — you came from Heaven. Now I already feel better — I feel better already. Come, sit. Thank you very much for coming. Nu — tell me something — tell me."] Yes. So he said this to you? "Tell me — tell me." [She said that he said to you: "Tell me something."] [What story — what story from the Rebbe — tell, tell a story from the Rebbe." And my father sat down next to him. And when he was telling it I had already left — but I saw what love he had for my father — and how he embraced him and kissed him on the hand, and he said to him: "Now I already feel better." Afterwards he said to him: "Now you will tell me a story from the Rebbe."] (Saba laughs.) Segment 47 EN: [And another time you saw him at…] [Another time at a wedding.] [At a wedding.] [He came before the wedding — my father — he came to us at home before the wedding of Pinchas. So he came home and said to us: "That he had not heard from my father." He received an invitation and he came — and where was my father? My father was not at home.] No. [Do you remember? I remember this exactly.] Yes — he came in… [So — and he climbed all the floors. So my mother very much asked him to sit. So he sat a little and rested. But he said: "That he had many matters to arrange in Tel Aviv — he would come to the wedding in the evening. But…" So my mother gave him something to drink. And he said: "You don't know what you have merited." He said to her: "You do not know what a tzaddik you have — what a person you have — what — what a man. This is not a man, he says — this is something that was born from Heaven." So he said to her: "You know?" He asked her: "Who is your husband? Do you know who your husband is? I can tell you who your husband is." And like this he spoke about my mother the whole time.] Segment 48 EN: [Afterwards he hurried to leave — he finished drinking and went. And at night he came to the wedding. And my father and my uncle Baruch — they danced with… Do you remember? You with — with Undrait you danced?] [You with Undrait — Undrait.] Pinchas. [Undrait — there was one Undrait.] Undrait. [The mechuton of his.] [The mechuton, the mechuton — Undrait.] The mechuton. [You danced with him — I have a photograph.] Yoy, yoy. [You danced.] [You performed a dance together at the wedding of Pinchas.] Ah. [And Baruch — I have the photograph where he is standing and clapping his hands. And the President is standing joyfully — he is standing and looking and joyful.] [And the President of the state looked at the spectacle — how you danced in front of…] (Saba laughs.) [How he danced.] Segment 49 EN: [At the wedding of Pinchas — and he was joyful — President Shazar was looking on.] [He simply did not understand — how could a person like this… One sees my uncle standing in great joy like this — I have the photograph.] Segment 50 EN: He was — he said to me: "That he had absolutely no way to come to the wedding." [Yes.] Because at that time there were very difficult matters — [yes — political — yes] — and the Sochnut, and Goldman was at the assembly. [Yes, yes.] And he was not able to go. [Yes.] Goldman said: "It is impossible to go now." He said: "That this…" (Saba laughs.) Segment 51 EN: [So he said to my mother that his first errand was to go through my father. He came with the driver — brought him. He climbed four very difficult floors — we had some sixty-something steps. Yes? My father — in the building where you lived before —] [Where? In Giv'as Sha'ul?] [Yes. So in Tel Aviv there were maybe sixty-something steps — yes?] [In Tel Aviv there were many steps?] Ho — he had miracles, yes. [He climbed.] [So he climbed all the steps — he truly came. So my mother was so… So she very quickly made him something to drink and asked him to sit and he sat. And he truly had no words — he had no words. He said: "I knew that I would come here — I would come here — and I go and I succeed." But how he said to my mother: "You do not know…] [If I come here] [I come — and afterwards I succeed — I will succeed. I remember this word for word. But with him this was… Also his sister — his sister of — of — of Shazar of Slonim — very much loved my father. This was for her. He says: "That he gives him all the success in his life — from the time he knew him it has gone well for him." And then he became President — he says: "That my father came and asked her it seems: what do you say — will he be President?" His sister asked you —] Yes. [If Shazar — you said: "Yes, certainly." You said that you opened the book and it was written exactly in connection with…] # Tape 2G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/4/ Tape 2G, Side Bais קסטה 2G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/4 Segment 1 EN: when you opened the book — and it was written there exactly in connection with the President — yes? Ah? Yes — he opened it. I remember it — that he said that he opened it and he said that… Segment 2 EN: I think Yitzchak [Nu] has the photograph of me and of Shazar of Slonim. [With the signature?] With the signature. Yes. [So I don't know of that one.] Yes, yes — it is with him. [I don't have it — I have what you gave me. I sent you the photograph to America. Who came to take it from me? And they took it — and there too there was a signature and it is gone. And I had two letters from my father — three original letters — he brought them to me and he took them from me. And the letter that he wrote about my mother — this touches my heart so deeply — you cannot imagine it. He wrote — when my mother passed away, he wrote to Shazar a letter.] Segment 3 EN: Now we are going. [But the original letter was with me.] We want to distribute the book "Av'i HaNachal." [But where will you get the letters? Yes.] The letters. [First of all the letters that already exist.] [Yes, good.] [After that we will add what it is possible to obtain.] [There is — there is in "Av'i HaNachal" perhaps a little change there — but this is the letter that my father wrote when my mother passed away — how broken and crushed he is — he writes letters to Shazar. So I met with Shazar afterwards — and also because he was sick and they would bring him to the hospital from time to time for treatment. So he said to me: "He is going to print the book." He says: "But such a letter — even one of the greatest writers — that he read books in his lifetime" — he says — "but such a letter he did not read" — what he read about my mother, that he wrote to him. This is truly… Not that this broke my father — this broke his heart, he says. The style of his writing — that it is truly beautiful. He says — (not understood) — he would see him, he would embrace him — embrace him. Then he kissed him on the hand.] Segment 4 EN: [Saba — Saba — you told me — that President Shazar once — you were — you were in his office at the President's Residence. He said that this chair is not for him — the chair of the President — that he is not worthy. You are worthy of the President's chair — that he said: "I am not worthy." You will sit on his chair — yes?] (Saba laughs.) [I will tell you simply — the investigators had to go upstairs…] [Alright — we will take — we will take Tziporah back to the building — she wants to return. Alright?] Good, good, good. (Saba laughs.) Segment 5 EN: [Saba and the friends sing: Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman. (Saba laughs.)] Do you remember this niggun? (Saba laughs.) [Ho, ho — my father, my father…] All night — this niggun. [My father, my father — by us they sing this niggun.] Ah? [On Friday night.] Nu. [We sing this niggun.] Yes? [Yes.] Every Shabbos? (Saba laughs.) [Uri, Uri sings everything — we sing "Asadder LiSe'udatah" on Shabbos, and your "Aishes Chayil."] Yes? [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) [By us at home they love your melodies. Uri — all the melodies. Uri is a Breslover Chassid.] Yes? (Saba laughs.) [He loves so much — and in his room there are also your books.] There are? [Your books.] My books. [Yes — he reads much. And Shmuel calls him: "Where is the Breslover?"] Yoy — what does he read? [He calls him: "Breslover."] Whom? Uri? [Shmuel calls Uri.] Uri. (Saba laughs.) [When he comes home there is a recording of the Breslover Chassid who sings the melodies — so he listens all the time to the melody. There is — you know that.] Yes, yes, yes. Segment 6 EN: But if… [My father — if something comes up, I am coming to you with Hashem's help. But blessed be Hashem — everything is already now fine.] [Shalom, Saba.] Shalom, shalom. [How are you?] Blessed be Hashem. [Saba.] Yoy. Segment 7 EN: [We arrived three hours after this — the thing happened.] Yes. [Yes — it happened at six-thirty in the morning — we were already there at nine-thirty. This was great personal Providence. We took Shmuel to the university.] But — but now they are certain that their child they… [No — they are not letting anyone into the building.] They are not letting anyone in. [Not yet.] Nu — let it be finished. [So I said to Tziporah —] What? [I said to Tziporah — that I can live at Reuven's — and come in all the time.] Yes. [I don't need to be here — I can be at Reuven's and come to visit.] Yes. [Until it… yes.] Yes, yes, yes. [Yes — she is here.] Is there room here? [There is a lot of room here.] Until — until they fix it. [Yes — I can be at Reuven's. His wife said to me — whenever I want I can be at her place.] You see — as if… You? [Yes.] There is room for you and for them. [But if they want privacy — to be a family — I can be at Reuven's and come to visit when you need me. No problem.] (Saba laughs.) Where is she? [In the bathroom.] Ah, oy, oy voy, oy. Segment 8 EN: [Saba and the friends sing: Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman. (Saba laughs.)] Segment 9 EN: Because when one sees such wonders — such stories — such conversations — they, they feel that they are donkeys. Yes. (Saba laughs.) That the main salvation is Rebbe Nachman — such stories as have never been in the world. And there is not — there is not — no — such {there is none} — such stories (Saba laughs) as "Ba'al Tfilah" — and "Seven" — and "The Seven Beggars" — what? And all — and every story and every tale — this — this is every word — it is, it is, it is a new Kabbalah that has not yet been revealed in the world. Secrets of the Torah such as have never yet been in the world. And all — all of this is for us! We are such sick people — we need such new remedies — that we — that (Saba laughs)… that only Rabbainu. Segment 10 EN: In any case we must strengthen ourselves — not to fall — and to be renewed and to strengthen ourselves and to study the books of Rabbainu always. Not for the sake of broad knowledge — only for the sake of serving Hashem through this. Yes. Every Torah — from every story — from every conversation of Rabbainu — this, this is the root of all Torah. Yes. This is not we who say it — the holy Rabbainu revealed this. And if he said it — then "Halachah k'Rav Nachman, v'halachah k'Rav Nachman, v'halachah k'Nachmani!" (Saba laughs.) He — he said it — he revealed this. Yes. He knew that we have no place at all that can help us — only — only he himself. (Saba laughs.) Segment 11 EN: The Rebbe — the Rebbe is truth — "R'osh B'nay Y'israel" — the Master of our house — the Master of the house of the world — of all the world. And he brought down and revealed in the world such wisdom as has not yet been revealed in the world: "You made all of them with wisdom." Oy — such wisdom as has not yet been in the world — such holy wisdom — such supreme holiness — has not yet been revealed in the world. Rabbainu — and the holy Ari says that the Mashiach will be greater than Moshe Rabbainu and than all the tzaddikim. Have you seen this? [No.] Yes, yes — this is in the writings — in the "Kisvay HaAri HaKodosh." Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 12 EN: We must give our souls to emerge from sins. The main thing is the suffering and the main thing is the sorrow and… This — there is, there is no suffering greater than sin. This does not belong to Israel — only to the nations. Sins — desires — this is only for the nations. We — "Who has chosen us from all peoples." (Saba laughs.) And we… Now is the time — the time of the nearness of the redemption. Yes. So… And one sees — one sees how the world is so sunk in desires. And Rabbainu writes the opposite — and they all — all the world — are drawing themselves to the holy Rabbainu. All the secular ones and all — all… "Rebbe Nachman, Rebbe Nachman, Rebbe Nachman." Yes. (Saba laughs.) They should have fled — [What?] they should have distanced themselves. What — what is this? He says that the main thing is money — this is nothing; honor — this is nothing. Only to serve Hashem? (Saba laughs.) They all should have distanced themselves — fled. Yes. And they all esteem him and love him — he… And they say: "Only Rebbe Nachman!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 13 EN: [So say the secular ones?] Ah? [So say the secular ones?] Yes! This is a known and publicized thing. Yes. The whole world, all… they say one needs to — needs to investigate the stories — to see what this is. What? Such stories as have never been in the world. And also the Torah teachings and the conversations of Rabbainu — these are wondrous matters — wondrous matters as have never yet been revealed in the world. And all of it is for us — for the sake of us needing to leave the prison — from… We must — we are sunk {in that which we are sunk} — and we need to emerge from all this. Yes. Nothing — nothing at all can help us — only Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. (Saba laughs.) Every word and word that he revealed — it is all our hope and all our vitality and all the vitality of all the world. (Saba laughs.) Segment 14 EN: Oy voy — if we would merit — we could be — to be renewed and to be human beings — not as the world today. This is not a world — this is not human beings. This is a kind of animals walking on — on two feet. The main wisdom is — is the Torah and the true tzaddik. Not as we think. If we learn — one can learn — there is in the Torah two — two potions: a potion — a potion of life — and a potion of death. One can learn — to become a great scholar — and to learn the opposite. Yes. Without… yes. Without the tzaddik. (Saba laughs.) Segment 15 EN: Yes. What this is — this is truly so. Nu, nu — a time will come. Yes. Every time that the holy Rabbainu becomes more publicized in the world — this is the approach of the redemption! There is in the "Sefer HaMidos" — Rabbainu says: "The coming of Mashiach depends on drawing close to the tzaddikim!" On drawing close to tzaddikim. Who are the tzaddikim? The holy Rabbainu and his people! Yes. That is it. (Saba laughs.) Oy — what is this? Oy, oy, oy. In any case we must completely nullify our opinion before Rabbainu — before the holy Rabbainu — before the Torah. Yes. And to give our souls to fulfill the Torah and to bring oneself into Torah and to bring in emunah. Yes. Not — not to look at the world — at… The whole world today is — is such a world that… A world of madmen — of wicked people — of… Such a world. But there is already a remedy that can help — that can bring one out. Yes. So the cure and the salvation is only Rabbainu — "R'osh B'nay Y'israel" — the RaBI — Rabbainu — he is the Rebbe of all Israel. "R'osh B'nay Y'israel" — the initials spell RaBI. Yes, yes. Segment 16 EN: What is a Rebbe? He teaches — as if the child — if, if the child — he informs him what is a patach and what is a kamatz and what is "Beraishis" and what is "Gemara." He, he, he, he opens him and instills in him a spirit — a new soul. (Saba laughs.) Segment 17 EN: [One of the friends makes the blessing "shehakol nihyeh bidvaro."] Amen. When did you arrive? Today? [Sunday.] Ah? [On Sunday night.] Today? [Sunday night.] Yesterday. Ah — we must be warriors — warriors of the battle — to overcome everything — everything… Not to look at the whole world. Only what — only what we merit to feel in our hearts — some word of Rabbainu. Nu. Yoy. Do you have a lamp? [There is a bulb — but it is not…] Ah. [I will make another one.] Ah — perhaps you will call the neighbor? [Yes — he is not at home.] Ah? [He is not at home — I went.] He is not at home. [He will come later — his wife will tell him.] Segment 18 EN: Ah, oy, oy voy. The main thing — we must nullify our wisdom and our da'as and our intellect — to nullify completely. The holy Rabbainu said: "He is the root and the main thing of Torah — of emunah — of all our vitality. This is it — and this will be." (Saba laughs.) We — I remember that there was a prohibition to study in Breslov books. (Saba laughs.) They were afraid to touch a Breslov book. I saw this. Yes. And blessed be Hashem — today one can study everywhere. (Saba laughs.) This — this is signs of the redemption. (Saba laughs.) Segment 19 EN: [I wanted to ask — one who studies Torah all day — one who studies Torah all day — how many hours does one need to study Rabbainu? Are there hours — or is there a quota…] One who searches for truth — the Holy One Blessed Be He illuminates for him all that he needs — that he should do everything he needs. Yes. (Saba laughs.) I saw that there is such heroism in the world — that I sat in the yeshivah and studied in the yeshivah the books of Breslov — Likutay Moharan, Likutay Halachos and Likutay Tfilos and Tehillim. And I saw there was no fear. I was alone — and they all… Everyone was opposed and persecuting. And I had such heroism as there is not in the world. They were very astonished — how I hold my ground. Segment 20 EN: And also — if a person searches for truth — then he merits. The Holy One Blessed Be He opens his eyes and he sees truth and knows how to conduct himself — how… what to do — how to repair everything — and how to return to the Holy One Blessed Be He and to Torah, to emunah, to truth. This… The whole world goes — they run (Saba laughs) and they go — they bustle about. But this is not — not human beings. A human being has hands and feet and a mouth — yes — everything. And this is a kind — a kind of animals like these. Yes. So says the holy Rabbainu (Saba laughs) in the Torah "Ki merachamam yenahalem." (Saba laughs.) The Gemara says: "A person does not transgress unless a spirit of foolishness has entered him." A spirit of foolishness — this is the opposite of wisdom and the opposite of da'as. (Saba laughs.) From where do sins come? The holy Rabbainu says: "So this does not belong to us — only to the nations." So how can we, Heaven forfend, fall into sins and do sins? This does not belong to us — this is not ours. Yes. (Saba laughs.) This is a lack of da'as. Yes. Segment 21 EN: They — they will not be able to have a new heart. Have you seen {not understood}? Oy, oy, oy voy. I — I want and I understand that I must always give thanks and praise to Hashem Who did a miracle for me — one individual alone against the whole world. Yes. The father and the mother and the family and the whole city and all — and all the world. (Saba laughs.) Segment 22 EN: How I was in such humiliation and disgrace — that if you had been there then — it would have been hard for you — how I — how I exist in the world? How am I alive? (Saba laughs.) It is impossible to describe — impossible — there are, there are no words to speak and to describe what, what I suffered. And blessed be Hashem — I see now that this is good — this is very good. I long and I say: "If only I had suffered more." (Saba laughs.) But now I — if I pay millions — it's gone — the time has passed. (Saba laughs.) Segment 23 EN: Oy voy — honor and pride and money — this, this, this darkens the eyes of the poor and they… and they fall. Yes. But one who searches for truth — ho — he is not afraid of anything — of anything at all. He has no fear at all. He… (Saba laughs.) Segment 24 EN: [One who wants to draw close to Rabbainu — one who wants to draw close to Rabbainu — what book…?] What? [He wants to draw close to Rabbainu — what to study?] [Which book especially at the beginning?] Only — not to do evil. Only to do everything the will of the Holy One Blessed Be He. Then everything one studies — whatever books one studies — the holy Rabbainu illuminates everything. And one finds in every word of Torah what one needs — how to live and how to repair and how to draw close to the Holy One Blessed Be He. (Saba laughs.) "Rachmana liba ba'ay" — the main thing is the heart. The holy Rabbainu said: "Give Me your hearts — and I will lead you on a new path." (Saba laughs.) Your hearts — the heart. Oy voy — what is this? What? Where are we? There is — there is in the world — there is… there is in the world such a light — that it is all our vitality and our hope. And we must give our souls — not to abandon this — to bring it into our hearts. And not to look at the whole world. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 25 EN: Who is the world? The holy Rabbainu — the Holy One Blessed Be He — the holy Rabbainu — the Torah. This is the world. Beyond this there is no world. (Saba laughs.) Ho. Oy — one must speak only of this. Every time that we merit to see ourselves and to speak — one must speak only of this. Each one — each one — what he merited to find in the words of Rabbainu — how to repair and how to be renewed and how to strengthen oneself — to speak only of this with — with the friends, and with — and with all the world. Yes. Because the falsehood — has nothing — has nothing — has no existence, has nothing… Yes. Segment 26 EN: [The first book he studied was "Hishtapchus HaNefesh."] The falsehood has nothing — it is nothing. [What?] [The first book he found in the garbage bin.] Yes — the time will come — the time will come. [Rebbe Yisroel — I told him…] Segment 27 EN: And one who wants now — there are already such Torah teachings, such prayers and such words from such a tzaddik — who — who changes, changes nature, changes all the world. He, he… "There is a matter by which everything is turned to good." He turns everything to good. [Rebbe Yisroel?] What? [I told him that your first book was "Hishtapchus HaNefesh."] Ah? I don't remember. [The first book of Rabbainu that you found — it was "Hishtapchus HaNefesh."] Yoy — in a garbage bin — in a garbage bin. This was in a garbage bin. (Saba laughs.) [Yes.] And the owner of the book said to me: "It is mine" — proof! — that you found it in a garbage bin. (Saba laughs.) Segment 28 EN: I took this book — only the name of the book made a great impression on me. So I did not put it in the genizah — I only studied it. They {planned} to take it away — I did not know that this was Breslov. So they came and saw that I was studying — they knew that this was Breslov: "What is this? What — what are you doing? You are studying a Breslov book?" (Saba laughs.) I had already tasted what this book was. I said: "Yes — I study — I will study Breslov books. I abandon the whole world — this is all my vitality! Yes." So came — the owner of the book came and said to me: "What a low one — you — you are such an insolent one against all the Admo"rim?" (Saba laughs.) "This is my book — give me the book!" I said to him: "I found it in a garbage bin — this is ownerless property — it is mine!" So he said it was his — and I also said it was mine. And he fought me and took the book from me. And I was left without — without the book. (Saba laughs.) Segment 29 EN: Oy. But — but I heard the news — that there are Breslov books that it is forbidden to study. (Saba laughs.) Yes. And I searched for Breslov books and I did not find — no — they did not print and I did not have — they were not to be obtained. (Saba laughs.) Until the Holy One Blessed Be He helped me and gave me — Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — and he already gave me the books. (Saba laughs.) {Speedily.} Segment 30 EN: Oy voy — one must speak of this by day and by night — not to sleep and not to eat. I have no time. (Saba laughs.) One must have compassion on our children and on our generations and on ourselves — to speak only of this. "Who is the man who desires life?" One who wants to look and to be — and to be a servant of Hashem and to serve Hashem in truth — so this is only Rabbainu. This must be announced to all the world. And we see that all the world — they understand this — they, they are drawing themselves to Rabbainu. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 31 EN: Oy, oy — how cruel I was. My father had Gehinom in this world. He was blind in both eyes — and so poor and in such humiliation. And I was in such a home. And I have miracles in how — how I remained alive in such poverty. Yes. I did not have any bread — I wanted some drop — a drop — a drop of olive oil. (Saba laughs.) And I cried: "Give me another drop." So my mother shouted at me: "But I need the oil for Shabbos!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 32 EN: And blessed be Hashem — I stood firm… My father wept before me: "I am your father — I — I know that you are still — still young — you do not — do not understand. Breslov — no… No match will — will want you. And you are poor — you have no money. And how… what you are doing." He wept — he and my mother. Yes. And my brothers wept for me. And I was cruel toward the father and the mother — and said: "Only Breslov!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 33 EN: Now I see how the liars look — yes — how they look — where they are. Yes. Not a trace remains in the world — only the books of Breslov. (Saba laughs.) This — this creates a new world. Every word of Rabbainu. And we must give our souls for this — and bring it into our hearts and into the hearts of our children and our generations — and to speak always only of this — how one merits to emerge from the sins and from the desires. (Saba laughs.) How one merits to repair everything. The power of the holy Rabbainu — he revealed to us that he can help us — yes — he can repair us as we are. (Saba laughs.) Segment 34 EN: Oy, oy, oy — every Torah teaching that Rabbainu revealed in the world — every word he revealed in the world — this is all — all our vitality and our glory. Yes. This is it. And we must have compassion on ourselves and on our generations and on our offspring and on our generations — to announce to everyone — to all the world — that there is now in these generations — in this darkness — there is already such a light that can help us — to bring us out of sins and desires and to repair everything. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 35 EN: Oy, oy, oy. Rav Aharon Luria — he was a well-known pedigree and was a scholar and… yes. So I was his neighbor in the yeshivah. And he saw what I was suffering. So he had envy of me. So he — he took from me a book — the book Likutay Moharan — and entered his room in the yeshivah and studied — and studied in Likutay Moharan. (Saba laughs.) So there arose a great commotion in the yeshivah: "Aharon Luria is studying…" And they said to him: "What are you doing?" So: "I — I — I must — I want to study only Breslov books — whatever will be." So they told Rav Moshe Klirs and Rav Motl of Slonim. So… And the trustees of the yeshivah. So they said to him: "Fine — you want to be Breslov? You can be. Only know that you will receive a salary like Yisroel Ber — ask him how much he receives — two liros a month. We — you will receive two liros a month — like Yisroel Ber." Segment 36 EN: So he said to me: "How is it possible — how is it possible to live on this? I also — I receive twenty liros a month and it is not enough for me. What will I do with two liros? So it is impossible." (Saba laughs.) He said to me every time he saw me: "I envy you — yes — I could not — could not withstand the test." (Saba laughs.) And I had two liros a month — and I danced all night and traveled to Meron and to Yerushalayim. (Saba laughs.) And I had — and I had a good life. The main thing was — I was for the Holy One Blessed Be He… (tape change.) Segment 37 EN: with the world — that he cannot pray and not — and not… (Saba laughs.) Ah, oy voy, oy voy — who can imagine? Who can tell? Who can tell? However much I tell — it still does not — it still does not… It is impossible to feel what I went through. (Saba laughs.) Segment 38 EN: I had no money — and I needed to marry off Tziporah. Nu — suffering — only suffering from the market. But a person such as Shmuel {%} — (Saba laughs.) — this there is none — none. Who would give me a bridegroom for my daughter? Yes. Shmuel had a great name — he had a great mind. Segment 39 EN: [A moment — something at the door, Saba.] Ah?… (tape change.) Segment 40 EN: {He stole} every month. Oy — they expelled my children from the school: "You did not bring money — if there is no money there is no school!" Yes. And all my daughters do not know how to pray — they do not know to… (Saba laughs.) Segment 41 EN: Shmuel had a great name — and all the rabbis and all the wealthy men of Yerushalayim wanted Shmuel for their daughter. Yes. And he did not — did not want to listen — he saw this one and that one, and this and that — and no — no — it did not please him. Wealthy men, rabbis and well-known ones. There was one man at my home — a relative of Shmuel — a relative. He said to me — he knew that I had Tziporah — that I had a daughter to marry. So he — he says to me: "I — perhaps Shmuel would be a good match for you?" And I look at him — he does not know me and does not know that I have no way — how — how? What? What is this? Shmuel? The wealthy ones of Yerushalayim and the rabbis of the whole land want him — want to give him a lot of money. And he — and he spoke with — with — with the bride — with — with the young woman — and no — this is not — this is not for me. He came… he — they said to him: "Yisroel Ber has a daughter — perhaps this?" He saw Tziporah and spoke with her. So on the first night — he came that night — {he came} — they had troubles — such wealthy ones want to give him — and he does not want — so there is no bride for him. So he came home and said: "You know? Blessed be Hashem — the Holy One Blessed Be He has given me a bride — I have blessed be Hashem a bride!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 42 EN: So there was joy in the house: "Shmuel already has a bride!" Yes. (Saba laughs.) Afterwards they asked him: "Who is the bride? Which wealthy one?" "Yisroel Ber!" (Saba laughs.) Everyone knew that I was so poor. (not understood) (Saba laughs.) So the mother said to him: "What — what — what are you doing? Yisroel Ber has — has no money at all. And we also are poor. I… No — no — no — how can you make a wedding? And… what is this?" "This is my bride — Tziporah. The main thing is — this is my bride." (Saba laughs.) Segment 43 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel.] Nu. [Your connection with Rav Motl of Slonim.] Before the chupah — the custom is that the bride is given a gift — some gift — and to the groom they give a tallis — a large tallis. Yes. I did not have a tallis. So I said: "I have no tallis — I have none." (Saba laughs.) This was without a tallis. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 44 EN: [Rebbe Yisroel? Your connection with Rav Motl of Slonim — was it before Breslov?] Ah? [Your connection with Rav Motl of Slonim — was it before Breslov?] Rav Motl of Slonim. [Your connection with Rav Motl — was it before — before drawing close to Rabbainu? The connection with Rav Motl —] Nu. [of Slonim.] Nu. [Was it before — before you drew close?] No — after. [After drawing close to Rabbainu?] Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 45 EN: The children — grandchildren that I have in Yerushalayim — and his daughter — of Slonim. What she — what Rav Motl says — he says to his daughter: "I am nullified before Rebbe Yisroel Ber Odesser. I see his Shabbos — the zemiros — the joy of Shabbos. And I have a livelihood and I have every good thing. And I have no joy and I have no… So Yisroel should be my Rebbe." Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. His children know this — that he said: "Only he — Breslov, Breslov, Breslov." Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 46 EN: Ah, ah, ah. My wife was in Tzfas and I was in Teveria. We had no clothing — garments. We had no apartment — nothing. And Rav Motl of Slonim — he gave me an apartment and furniture — a table and chairs. Yes. And he brought me into the yeshivah. Yes. Everything — Rav Motl. And when he spoke — he was opposed — he spoke — not, not, not with respect — against Rabbainu — so, so I slammed the door with a great bang: "No — no — do not speak with me anymore — I want no connection with you." (Saba laughs.) Segment 47 EN: So, so he saw such a thing — he remained — remained like a child: "What is this? Who — who heard such a thing? A person to whom I give furniture and an apartment and…" He had mesiras nefesh for me. He had battles with the trustees of the yeshivah — they were opposed — and he said that they must bring me into the yeshivah and must give me an increase. And he was always in battle with them. # Tape 3G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/5/ Tape 3G, Side Aleph קסטה 3G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/5 Segment 1 EN: this — and moreover a great strengthening from this dream — that "there is no despair in the world at all." I had already fallen into the pit and I had nothing — with no hope at all — and there is water! (Saba laughs.) And also — what, what Rabbainu revealed. Oy voy — oy voy — what… what the holy Rabbainu made from simple souls — completely distant — completely distant from Torah, from Yiddishkait. {These were} coarse people — who did not know even the scent of Torah — they did not know. And when they drew close to Rabbainu, there were made from them such holy tzaddikim as had never been — beyond, beyond nature. (Saba laughs.) Segment 2 EN: This is a new matter. And one sees — Dovid HaMelech — Dovid HaMelech in Tehillim — all of Tehillim: "Mizmor, Mizmor, Mizmor" — "L'Dovid Mizmor" — "LaMenatzayach l'Dovid Mizmor" — "Mizmor." There is — there is "Mizmor" and there are several modes of — of — of speech. Oy. Yoy. Oy, oy, oy. And also "Mizmor shiru laShem shir chadash" — "a new song." Dovid HaMelech did not say — he said: "a new song." He is entirely new — he is new. "A new song" — the holy Rabbainu is the "new song." The holy Rabbainu is this song. And here in the Petek — Rabbainu reveals a small — a slight thing: "Na Nach." (Saba laughs.) Yes. Sixty years I did not know of this. I only knew that this is a wonder — that this revives me — that this… Yes. Every time it fell upon me — when I had fallen — I took the Petek and read it. And I was — and there came about — and there came about a different matter. And there came about "a new song." (Saba laughs.) Oy, oy, oy. And like this there are many "new songs" — "new song" — "new song." Dovid HaMelech — he is Rabbainu — this… The holy Rabbainu is — the holy Rabbainu surpassed all the tzaddikim — all the tzaddikim that were from the day the world was created. Segment 3 EN: This is a wondrous matter of the Holy One Blessed Be He — that then there should be — that… in the final generations — what there will be — what, what there will be — some heresy, some falsehood, some deeds. And the Holy One Blessed Be He saw and knew. So He knew: ah — in the final generations? The holy Rabbainu must — must descend into this world. Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman — his soul — in this world. If not, Heaven forfend — there would be such destruction as — without any hope. Only Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) Segment 4 EN: And the holy Rabbainu already hinted at this in the Ma'asiyos — that they led a soul to immerse it — so that it should descend into this world. Yes. So came — so came the Sam — the Angel of Death — the yetzer hara — the evil one argued. He had arguments. There is a Din Torah — what is this? Is this ownerless? He said: "What — what? If this soul descends into the world — then I have nothing — I have nothing to do — nothing at all. And is it — is it for naught…" He — he argued: "Was I created for naught? For what purpose were you created? Then I have nothing — I have nothing to do — nothing at all." Yes. And they went — afterwards he… They said to him: the soul must descend into the world! And you — and you — devise a strategy for yourself, devise a strategy!" (Saba laughs.) So, so he — he went to think of a strategy. He returned, he said: "I already have a strategy! (Saba laughs.) Yes. He said… He can descend — Breslov — there will be such a machlokes!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 5 EN: Such words — this is in Chayay Moharan in print. But not — no, no, no, no — the world does not feel it. The world is so coarse that even the great ones — even geonim — do not feel what there is in this, what… Yes. How — how do they have a share in this — in Breslov? Yes. Each one according to — according to his mesiras nefesh — according to, according to what he suffers… Segment 6 EN: He said to her: "Divorce, divorce, divorce." (Saba laughs.) Rebbe Nassan — we know nothing of how Rebbe Nassan and his people were able to live. There was such humiliation and such cruelty — even upon non-Jews there is no such cruelty — yes — Breslov! (Saba laughs.) Yes. Oy voy, voy. And I — and I merited to be such a warrior. I stood against great ones who were important and great in all the world. In Yerushalayim — Yerushalayim was a city of geonim — of great Torah scholars. And not every one was important or well-known. And Rav Moshe Klirs — he was known throughout the world and in Yerushalayim. And everyone held him in the highest regard — and they had (not understood). And his name was that he was a gaon and wise and learned and discerning — a tzaddik — an upright man. He had all the names, yes — that he was so great. And I knew of this — I was born in Teveria and he was the rabbi in Teveria. I had heard of this and knew of this. And I became Breslov — I drew close to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). (Saba laughs.) Segment 7 EN: So there were miracles for me. Rav Moshe Klirs says: "Not to be Breslov!" And my father says: "Not to be Breslov — what, are you mad? What — what is this? How, how can such a thing be?" (Saba laughs.) Yes. And Rav Motl of Slonim — Rav Motl — he was also great in Torah. Not — not — not as famous as Rav Klirs. Rav Klirs was famous in Yerushalayim — everyone held him in high regard and stood before him as before a king. Yes. This is a known and well-known thing. Yes. And he pursued me over Bre… over — over the fact that I was Breslov. Yes. And I was a warrior against Rav Moshe Klirs and against Rav Motl of Slonim. Segment 8 EN: Rav Motl was also great — a great gaon in Torah. But the talents of Rav Motl were greater than those of Rav Moshe Klirs. Yes. Because he was — he was exerted greatly until, until, until he reached his level. And Rav Motl did not need to exert himself — he only had to see a thing once in the Gemara, in the Midrash — he saw it only once — and he acquired it forever and ever. Yes. And Rav — and Rav Moshe Klirs — his grasp was not so — not as quick as Rav Motl — and he knew this himself. But he — he had a famous name in Yerushalayim and in all the world. Segment 9 EN: And I stood against him. I drew close to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). And he pursued me and spoke with me: "Breslov — we — we have heard from great ones, from holy tzaddikim — about Breslov." What? I had not heard — this — this is such a wondrous thing. (Saba laughs.) Yes. And Rav Motl — I was a poor child. And Rav Motl of Slonim — he — he was a great scholar. But he was also a lover of mitzvos like simple people — a mitzvah. Yes. Not like Rav… Rav Moshe Klirs — a mitzvah was small in his eyes — only genius, wisdom. But Rav Motl — he had both. He was also a lover of mitzvos. And — Teveria is a small city — he knew me. And also beyond that — Teveria is a small city — he… I — I found favor in his eyes. He saw me — that I was not talented. But my truth and my heart — he loved me very much. I was in his home as if at home — more than home, more than my own home. I came with him — I prayed with him and slept at his place and studied with him at night. Yes. And he… And there was such a bond between us. But I was a simple child and he was Rav Motl of Slonim — he was a gaon and great and wise — and wise. And I did not know — even — even as a gnat compared to him. Yes. Good. And there was great love between us — he studied with me — he loved me as — as his own son. And he had two daughters — the daughters were like my sisters. Segment 10 EN: Soroh and Feige. (Saba laughs.) My sisters. Yes. And I came with Rav Motl — they gave food in the morning, at noon — to Rav Motl. So they also brought for me as well — bread. Yes. I was like — like a son — an only son. Afterwards when I merited to draw close to Rabbainu — when I merited — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) came to Teveria. The episode had already occurred — how I drew close to Rebbe Yisroel — it was that night. All night I was with Rebbe Yisroel in the synagogue of the students of the Baal Shem Tov. And all the city knew — because my mother was weeping and — in all the places — she searched for me in all the synagogues and cried: "My son, my son, my son." All the city came: "What? What?" They thought someone had passed away — someone had died. (Saba laughs.) They came: "What is all the weeping and shouting?" She — so she told: "A man came and bought bread, and he ate the bread in our home, and he took Yisroel Ber and he — and he went the whole night. I woke for work and Yisroel Ber is not here — is not here." Segment 11 EN: And this was the beginning of the battle. And the Turks were savage people — they — only if they saw that some person had hands and feet — hands and feet — they took him for the army. (Saba laughs.) Yes. So she thought: "Perhaps I have hands and feet — so perhaps they took me into the army." (Saba laughs.) She wept and the whole city was in an uproar. Ah — in the morning they saw me and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). So they said: "Oy voy — Yisroel Ber was the whole night with Rebbe Yisroel — so certainly he — he became Breslov. He was the whole night with Rebbe Yisroel." (Saba laughs.) Who — who had the courage to speak with a Breslov Chassid — or to read a Breslov book? He was afraid lest it should be — lest there should be even mere suspicion. So why {would learning this Torah} — he would not find a marriage match. (Saba laughs.) Segment 12 EN: And blessed be Hashem — I did not attend to this and did not look at anything. Rav Moshe Klirs and Rav Motl of Slonim and a marriage match — all of it — I gave everything — everything. Only what I saw — what Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) is — what is, what, what this is. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Until today I have this name. It is already eighty years since I drew close to Rebbe Yisroel and they were all such opponents. And I — and I — blessed be Hashem — received all the bullets — all — all the humiliations and all the troubles — with love and with great heroism. And they all were nullified from this. They saw my heroism. This is not in the natural order — they did not understand it. Segment 13 EN: And Rav Motl of Slonim — he thought — he — only he... I saw from Rav Motl that he was great in Torah and… yes. And I studied with him. Nu — this was a miracle. If he says "Breslov — no!" — then immediately… But I saw what I saw. I saw Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — I only saw him. The very first time in my life I did not know who he was — so I said: "Oy voy — this man is a tzaddik. I need him very much. If I could have some connection with him — I would — I would merit to serve Hashem in truth as I want. How — but how will I have a connection with him? He will buy the bread and pay and go — and how?" Segment 14 EN: So I — as I was thinking about — about — about a connection — if only I could have a connection with this man — with this tzaddik — so he asked me: "Perhaps it is possible for me to eat the bread at your home?" So I felt: "What is this? He knows what I am thinking — what I want? But — what is this? He has no — somewhere to sleep — to eat — what is this? Is this the place of a hotel?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 15 EN: In particular he — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — saw the — the — the apartment of ours. It was like a cave — a cave. This, this, this… And inside the cave small children were sleeping. And they needed to bake the challah — on Thursday night they needed to bake the challah. Yes. And he asked: "Perhaps it is possible to eat the bread?" So there was — there was a wonder in my eyes: "How does he know what I think — what I want? Who — who said — who told him?" So, so thoughts arose in me: perhaps he is… But I wanted to ask the father. I — I cannot bring in a guest without asking the father. Nu — so I was afraid: "What are you asking the father? The father will strike you and despise you — what are you — you are asking such a thing? There is — there is — this is a cave and they need to bake bread. What are you asking such a thing?" (Saba laughs.) But I said: "Whatever will be — I will ask him." And I asked him. And he agreed. And what came about came about. All night I was with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — in the lake — on a table in the lake. And from that night until now — blessed be Hashem — I hold my ground. Blessed be Hashem. Segment 16 EN: But what passed over me and over Rebbe Yisroel — what we suffered — Rebbe Yisroel: if one were to give him all the money in the world — for one day — he, he would give it, he would not want the money and would not want — would not want such a task. And he gave his soul for me. What? One person — Yisroel Ber — what will come of this? Will the redemption come from this? (Saba laughs.) Segment 17 EN: And he saw — this — how it was arranged. He descended from the donkey from Tzfas. He descended — in Teveria he descended from the donkey. So he met Rav Binyamin Barzal and asked him: "Show me where to buy bread." And he showed him to us. And from this came about — from this was built a structure for generations — for generation after generation — for the world — forever. This is a wonder — how I was to Rav Motl of Slonim as an only son — and I upheld him — I — I held him in high regard as a tzaddik and gaon and… yes, yes. And I saw — I slept at his place — I studied with him at night — and there was between us a bond of great love. Yes. And he said to me: "Breslov — Breslov — no!" He told me many things — he instilled poison against Breslov in me — what this one said — what that one said — what this one said. And I — and I — and I believed in all of them. If — if they say about Breslov this — but I saw Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). This was — this had come about — I merited to such heroism as there is no such heroism in this world. Such heroism — how I stood against, against such great ones. Yes. And also against my father and my mother and against all the family. Yes. Everyone wept — everyone had great pity for me — what will become of him. "He has become Breslov — Yisroel Ber has become Breslov." (Saba laughs.) Segment 18 EN: Oy voy, oy voy. This — however much I tell — it still is not — still not even a drop from the sea — what, what, what happened. "Seeing is not like hearing." (Saba laughs.) In this I see that the main thing is mesiras nefesh for the sake of the Holy One Blessed Be He — for the sake of Torah. Wisdom is also good. But — but the main thing — the foundation and the main thing of Yiddishkait — the main thing of Torah — is mesiras nefesh — the strong will. And also the holy Rabbainu hinted at this and said. There is a conversation where Rabbainu says: "Give Me your hearts — and I will lead you on a new path." This is a very old path — one that our fathers never walked. And yet it is entirely new. Nu — one must give the heart. And blessed be Hashem — I, I gave all my life and my heart — the father and the mother and all the world — I gave everything for the sake of drawing close to Rabbainu. Segment 19 EN: This is a wonder — this is a very wondrous thing. So there was the chief rabbi of the city — the great rabbi of the city. In particular — Rav Klirs — everything he said had to be fulfilled immediately. And he said — he said to me: "Breslov — no!" (Saba laughs.) And I did not listen to him at all. Yes. And he — and he thought: "There is no one — whom I tell and who does not listen to me — that is only Yisroel Ber." (Saba laughs.) Segment 20 EN: And also the dream — the dream that I had after the passing of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — it was the dream of the waves — of… I was at sea and there were waves — such great waves — like mountains, mountains. I saw a mountain of water coming (not understood) — I thought — and it came in anger — straight at me — straight. And I said: "Oy voy — in a few more moments it — it will reach me. What will become of me? Then I will die — there is, there is no hope — yes — then I will die." And so it was — it rose in anger — in haste — and went to kill me — as one goes to kill. It fell upon me and… And I was completely despairing. But I saw that I — that I am rising over — over the mountain — that I am rising in the water — rising, rising — until I reached the end and stuck out my head and remained alive. I was able to breathe air and remained alive. Such a dream? Good — the wave passed and I remained alive. But I see a mountain — a new mountain — a new wave — coming like this. What will be now? And not every time do miracles occur. What will become of me now? Nu, what? How is it coming? It — it does not ask me — it comes toward me. A new mountain fell upon me. And also — also there was a miracle that I rose in the water over the mountain — until — until — until I stuck out my head from the — from — from the water — and remained alive. Nu — good. Blessed be Hashem — two times. But — but the sea does not — it is turbulent and — and going — waves continue coming. What will become of me? What will come of this? Not every time… I — I felt the danger of what I had — such waves, such mountains. (Saba laughs.) Segment 21 EN: Nu — I was despairing. I saw the danger — what, what, what there is — every time there is — I see miracles — I rise over the wave — I rise over the mountain — I rise from the water — until I reach the end and stick out my head and breathe — and I remain alive. But — but perhaps — perhaps now — let us see what will yet be. I saw — I saw and felt the danger — where I was. Suddenly I see a great building in the sea — not far from me — such a building — a great, beautiful building — such beauty. I said: "What is this? What? How can such a thing be? In the sea — are there buildings?" Suddenly I saw — I saw nothing at all — only the waves — and suddenly I saw in the sea a magnificent and great building — a building! I was astonished: "How is it possible? In the sea — in the sea there is — can there be a building?" But I see a building. So I thought: perhaps this is a hint — about — about that… about the fact that I — that I will merit to be saved from the sea. Because there is a building. Perhaps I will reach the building. I certainly made great efforts and could not reach the building. And I was almost next to the building — and a wave came and swept me away. And I was distanced from the building. What? So what will be? I have a place of rescue — but I cannot — cannot… I have no strength to reach the build… There is — there is no possibility at all of reaching the building. It is right next to me — and I — and it is impossible for me to reach the building… # Tape 3G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/6/ Tape 3G, Side Bais קסטה 3G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/6 Segment 1 EN: until I merited — I made a supreme effort — and until I succeeded in touching the railing of the building. Like — only just — only so that I could hold onto the railing. I felt: now — blessed be Hashem — now I — I can climb the steps — onto the building. And there is no sea — no waves — nothing at all. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Now I have hope. Nu — I climbed — there were many steps. And I held the railing and climbed with great joy. Every — every moment was beyond measure. And I had great joy — I merited to emerge from — from danger — from such dangers. And I am in the building — in the building — on the steps. Up, up, up — I climbed the steps until I reached the end — until I reached the door of the building. I reached the door of the building. So I opened the door and entered. And there was… what do you call it? [A corridor?] A corridor. Yes — yoy — there was a corridor. On one side there were beautiful windows. And on the other side — I had entered through the door — and on the other side there were doors — there was a wall with doors. Segment 2 EN: Good. So I passed the first door and wanted to open it — to see what, what was there — what… And I did not open it. Not deliberately — no — I did not open it. I said: "What is this? Why — why did you not open it?" So, so I thought: I — now I will open. There are many doors. So I went — and also reached a door and also did not open it. And I was — and I was angry at myself: "Why did you not open it?" I did not open it — I passed the door — and also — and like this — all — all the doors — I passed them and wanted to open and did not open — until I reached — this is the dream — such a dream — until I reached the last door of the building. This — this is after the whole building. I had already passed all the doors and… until I reached the last door of the building — which was already… I reached the last door. So I opened — I opened and saw a room. I opened and saw a room — there was a table and a chair there. And on the chair sat a great old man — such a beautiful white beard — such grace — and also his form — his face — had such grace as is not seen in this world. Such grace — such sweetness. So I was very ashamed. I saw such an old man — I saw this elder — and saw his face. So I became very ashamed and my mind fell: "How do I have a place here — to be in this room and to see such an old man?" I was very ashamed. And I wanted to give the old man greeting — shalom. But no — I did not find the courage in my soul to give him shalom. How?… And I am so distant — I — how do I have a portion — such a portion — to give — how do I have the boldness to give shalom to this elder? Segment 3 EN: Yes. So, so the old man was like this — this elder extended — held out his hand — and gave me shalom — and took my hand — and held my hand with great love and shaking — yes — and with "Shalom Aleichem" — and he continued and held me with great love. Such greeting — such drawing close. (Saba laughs.) I did not have such boldness — but he did it. So what — what could I do? So I accepted it. (Saba laughs.) And I woke up — and I woke up! Segment 4 EN: So I remembered all the dream. And I remembered — until today I see his face as I saw it then. In the natural order a dream is forgotten — yes — at least the form. But as I saw the chair with the elder upon it and the elder and the description of the face — the face like this — I remember it. As if I see it now. Yes. So I had yearnings and longing — I want to know: who was this elder! (Saba laughs.) Perhaps Eliyahu HaNavi? Some — someone… Some great one? Who was this elder that I saw? (Saba laughs.) Segment 5 EN: So it seems — I had yearni… Out of yearning I fell asleep. And I thought in my mind: "I will take a book and I will open it — perhaps I will find there some hint — who is this elder?" And like this I did. I woke up and took a book and opened it. This was the book Chayay Moharan from the first printing. Chayay Moharan. And I opened it. And my eyes were drawn… [What — what did you see?] I opened the book Chayay Moharan and my eyes fell upon this passage — where the holy Rabbainu reve… there was — he revealed — he revealed: "Whoever will merit — I will appear to him in the form of an elder." This — this — this — this I saw. So I already knew that the elder is Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) Such a good dream. (Saba laughs.) Oy voy… Segment 6 EN: And I was a child — I was a child. And from the time I came to my senses — even when I was a child — my heart yearned to serve Hashem — to learn Torah and to give my soul for the service of Hashem. And I prayed with deveykus — with fiery enthusiasm — and with movements. And I prayed. And there was a certain old man there who was from the Chassidim of Bian — they — they — they do not pray with force and not with voice and not… only in a whisper. Yes. Nu. But even so — I — I had boldness and I did not look at them. And I… So this elder came to me every day — he — and gave me an important coin. Like this — he gave to me. He was known in the city as such a miser — he gives charity — the tiniest coin there is — a piece of a pak. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And he gave me — gave me — when I came home and gave it — they were poor — and I gave the coin. So they were very astonished. Yes. But afterwards I stopped giving to the household and began to collect coins for a siddur. I want to buy a siddur that will have in it Chatzos and Tehillim — Ma'amados and Selichos — all kinds of Selichos and all: a "Kol-Bo!" — that will have in it everything — all that there is in the world — some techinah — some — some — some thing — and also… yes. I started to collect the money for myself in order to buy a siddur. The name of the siddur was "Kol-Bo." And… like this it was. And all — everything was in it — in this siddur. And I had a longing and yearning for such a siddur. Yes. But there is — there is no money. And also in Teveria — no — it is impossible to obtain such a siddur — only in Yerushalayim. (Saba laughs.) Segment 7 EN: So the Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy on me. And my mother traveled to Yerushalayim for a hachnasas kallah — to marry off some child. In any case she traveled to Yerushalayim. And when she traveled I said to her: "I have collected money for a Kol-Bo siddur!" And I was very dear to my mother. And she — she gave me a promise that she would buy me a siddur as I wanted — "Kol-Bo" — that it should have in it, that it should have all the finest qualities. Yes. I gave her the money. And she kept her word — and she made the effort to involve some family — from our family — who knows all the great merchants. Because there is… such a siddur — not everywhere — not — not to be obtained everywhere. One needs to know where such a siddur is to be found. (Saba laughs.) Segment 8 EN: In any case she brought me a siddur — a new one from Yerushalayim. She came to Teveria with the siddur. And my joy — and I went to the synagogue with this siddur. And everyone envied me — he has — he has a siddur! (Saba laughs.) I wanted to eat the whole siddur. (Saba laughs.) What — what joy I had every time I saw the siddur with me. (Saba laughs.) Segment 9 EN: [Start from the beginning.] I forgot. [About the three wise men in Teveria.] At the time that Rav Tzvi Rosenthal drew close to Rabbainu — so the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged the circumstances — such was the Providence. He left his home to pray vatikin on Friday. (Saba laughs.) And he did not — did not return the whole day. They were already waiting — the whole family — the… his wife and children and father were waiting at all — at all times — until he would come — until he would come. How can this be? One goes to pray and does not return. (Saba laughs.) Nu, nu — there was a commotion throughout the city: "Rav Tzvi Rosenthal went to pray — what… and did not return. What these Breslovers do — on Friday, Erev Shabbos, they took Rav Tzvi. He has a wife and small children. Suddenly he disappeared. Who knows where he is?" Some — a few people said: "The Breslovers sent him to Uman — because the main thing for them is Uman." (Saba laughs.) Yoy. Others said: "Perhaps to Tzfas — perhaps to Yerushalayim." In any case they did not know… This — this is known: "Rav Hirsh (Tzvi Rosenthal) has disappeared — disappeared. There is, he is not here." (Saba laughs.) Segment 10 EN: They sent — on Erev Shabbos — it was Friday — they saw — it was close to candlelighting and he was not there. So they — they took one hero of the heroes of Teveria — one who knows how to ride on horseback — like an airplane! And he traveled to Tzfas — they have family there. Perhaps he — he went to Tzfas because there was a dispute in the home about Breslov — about Breslov chassidus. So he — he went to Tzfas. So they sent to Tzfas and he was — he managed to return and inform that he had visited everyone — all the family — and Rav Tzvi is not there! (Saba laughs.) Nu, nu — the whole city was in such an uproar: the whole city — "The Breslovers — Breslovers who took Rav {Tzvi} from the family and…" He went to pray and is not here. (Saba laughs.) And he… On that Friday — this — this was all {forbidden}. (Saba laughs.) Segment 11 EN: In any case they lit candles for the honor of Shabbos — and Rav Tzvi is not here — not here — and not here. (Saba laughs.) In any case the children were weeping — and the wife and the family — his father. What kind of Shabbos is this? Where is Rav Tzvi? (Saba laughs.) And his wife and my mother and my wife — they went to the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and threw stones: "Where is Rav Tzvi? Where is Rav Tzvi?" (Saba laughs.) All the stones in Teveria they threw at the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). (Saba laughs.) Segment 12 EN: Nu — at night they were forced to sleep — they made a stop and went to sleep. But in the morning early — everyone woke up and went — (Saba laughs) — weeping: "Where is Rav Tzvi? What is this? On a Friday? He did such {things to them} — they could die." (Saba laughs.) "What is this? Where?…" (Saba laughs.) Segment 13 EN: In any case — they had already gone on Friday to the Mukhtar. And the Mukhtar liked such things — because he loved money. He liked — money. Yes. So there would be good business for him — the families of — of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal), Yisroel Ber — and there would be — and there would be — and there would be a good stew — and there would be coins for you. (Saba laughs.) So he said — he said to his wife: "Regarding Breslovers — believe anything. I think they sent him to Uman. He is not in Yerushalayim — he is not in Tzfas. They — they — they sent him to Uman!" (Saba laughs.) But Uman was not at war with Turkey. Nu — this is espionage — this — this — among them there is no relevance to war. Or — to Uman — this — they sent him." (Saba laughs.) Segment 14 EN: And he made a complaint to the government — that we had sent Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) to Uman. And like this he was at all times — yes — to Uman. So this is a matter — this is a matter of espionage — a very serious matter. So there would be money from this — he would clarify that not… In any case — but there would be money from all sides — there would be money. (Saba laughs.) Segment 15 EN: On Shabbos morning they went up — they did not come to me — to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — {they were not doing} (Saba laughs) — I did not know. I got up — went to the mikveh — prayed at home — I start to pray: "Baruch SheAmar" and… The Mukhtar came with soldiers — with police. And I was in the middle of the prayer — after "Baruch SheAmar." He — he called — called me and said: "Come to prison — where is Rav Tzvi?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 16 EN: Oy — the episode of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) — this — this is such a beautiful episode — a beautiful spectacle — what is this? When… It has never been heard in the world that a householder should go to pray on Friday and not return home — and no one knows where he is? Such a thing — only in Breslov. (Saba laughs.) And the whole city was weeping for the family. Rav Tzvi went to pray and did not, did not… This is only — only in Breslov can such a thing happen. (Saba laughs.) Segment 17 EN: In any case — he said to me: "That I should go with them to prison." Nu — in the middle of the prayer — I went with them. Do I have a choice? I went to prison. All my family came to prison to see where I was. (Saba laughs.) Who — who — who knows what will happen in prison? They — they will take me as a soldier — or — or they will beat me until I say where he is — where is Rav Tzvi? In any case — my mother and my wife and the family — they came to prison. And they saw me through — through the windows — they saw me. So they said to me: "What — what is happening?" I was in the middle of the prayer and could not speak… (Saba laughs.) Segment 18 EN: In any case — several hours passed. The great official came — the moshel — the one who oversees all the police and everything. He — he came. He was already the hearing — the Mukhtar had already spoken with him about what he needed to do. He knows — he knows already that he has a good friend — this Mukhtar? What he says — he does. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And so he came. They brought me out of the prison {to the room}. And the great officer — "Yidnirar" — "the Yidnirar" (the officer) — oy — and he said, he — he was — he spoke with firmness. He was the Yidnirar. He said to me: "Tell — where — where — where is Rav Tzvi?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 19 EN: What did they do? First they laid — they laid me on the floor and raised my legs up — like here — on the legs — on this — and they took a rope and tied my legs with this. Yes. These were large — large iron — strong irons. Yes. They tied me. And there was a police officer on this side and a police officer on this side. And my legs were up here. And they said to me: "If you say where Rav Tzvi is — good! If not? Then — then you will die! We will beat you murderous blows!" (Saba laughs.) And my family were hearing how he was speaking to me. And they — they feared that if they beat me — then I would die. Police officers — police officers? Arabs? They give murderous blows. There was weeping — my mother and my wife and… In sum — they tied me. And I lay with my legs up. And they suspended the — the sticks — the… yes. And the officer said to me: "Tell — where — where is Rav Tzvi?" Segment 20 EN: I said: "I think he went to Yerushalayim." (Saba laughs.) So he said to me: "Know — we will keep watch. If we do not find him? Then we will punish — then you will die — we will beat you until — until — until death. Tell the truth!" So I said: "This — this — this is what I know — I am telling it." So they released me. And they sent on Shabbos — they sent on the road to Yerushalayim. In any case — after Shabbos — on Motzaay Shabbos — they found him in Afula. And they told Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) — the police found him — yes. And they said to him: "Know that Yisroel Ber and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) are in prison and in great danger. Go — return with us!" He returned with us — with them. He heard that there was danger — he returned — he returned with them. They came to Teveria — to Teveria on Motzaay Shabbos. But… Nu. Segment 21 EN: So my family wanted them to release me from prison — that I should go home. And the law was — at night they do not release any person — if he — if he is in prison. If he is released — if they release him — he must wait until morning. At night — there are no releases. But the Mukhtar and this officer — they — they knew how to conduct themselves. And they released me on Motzaay Shabbos at night. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 22 EN: But I forgot — about the three wealthy men of Teveria. Yes. Oy — they — they were already — they were from the new ones — new Zionists. Yes. They did — among them all Yiddishkait and Torah and… was a joke. But even so — they — they were natives of Eretz Yisroel. And the greatest of them had a flour mill. And he was important — his family — the father and grandfather were Karliner Chassidim. So he wore the shtreimel tilted like this — in the fashion. (Saba laughs.) Yes. And he went with his two friends — two more. He was the elder of them — not — not — not old — but compared to them he was older. Nu — so these three were — they were friends and they mocked Yiddishkait — like the Chacham in the "Sipuray Ma'asiyos." Yes. (Saba laughs.) They went and they — and they had a kind of laughter. They go to pray. Nu. Segment 23 EN: But Yisroel — one was named Yisroel — Yisroel ben Zalman — Yisroel Zulmines — Zulmines Yisroel. And one — and the two were — one had the biggest pharmacy in Teveria — such a wonder even — even in Yerushalayim — a large pharmacy. And he knew the craft well — a great expert — this second one. And the third was Leibl — Leibl — also Aryeh. He was the biggest timber merchant in Teveria. Three — these three. And these — these three went to the synagogue. But for them — it was a kind of spectacle — a kind of joke. Like this they went to the synagogue. They went to the Karlin synagogue. This — the owner — the owner — the one who had the flour mill was named Yisroel Zulmines. He — he was the oldest of them. They were mannerly — he was a wise man and… yes. They went with him to the synagogue. (Saba laughs.) Segment 24 EN: And this — this was a kind of spectacle — they went to the synagogue. And the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) was among all the synagogues. Yes. And they saw a great commotion — the whole city in an uproar — a great uproar. And also my family and that of — and of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal) — they were at the house of Rebbe Yisroel. And there were shouts and weeping. And they heard — they heard such a thing. They had never heard — "What is going on here? What is going on here?" "Ho! You don't — don't — don't — you don't know? Yisroel Ber has become a Breslov Chassid. And they took Rav Tzvi and he disappeared — he went Friday to pray and did not return." (Saba laughs.) Segment 25 EN: So they — so they did — they heard a thing — such a thing? This — this… (Saba laughs.) In sum they liked it — they saw the world — such a great gathering. In the middle of it they were being told what is happening — what is happening in Teveria — Yisroel Ber is a Breslov Chassid. "You have not heard? {The episode of Rav Tzvi}." (Saba laughs.) And for them it was a kind of spectacle — a kind of spectacle. Yes. So — oy — "Yisroel Ber alone — Breslov?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 26 EN: In any case they — they went to the door of the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). Yes — it was closed. He had closed the door. He was praying Shacharis. He — such a prayer? I did not hear it. But — but I heard that they said — that it was splitting the heavens — that it was such a prayer. Yes. My family — his family. (Saba laughs.) And they were with the Mukhtar — with the police. (Saba laughs.) So they — they — they stood at the door of Rebbe Yisroel. And also Mordechai the Mukhtar stood with police as well. They waited for him to finish the prayer — they would take him outside. Outside — they can take him. From the house — it is forbidden to take. But from outside — it is possible. Segment 27 EN: In any case they — the three wise men — went to the door of Rebbe Yisroel. And they found the Mukhtar with the police. And they heard the prayer of Rebbe Yisroel — fear fell upon them! They had never heard — such a prayer? They had never heard! (Saba laughs.) What, what? So they were truly awakened — the Yiddishkait was awakened — the Jewish heart. Yes. And all of them — Yisroel — this one from the flour mill — and those two — those two — they said to Mordechai — to the Mukhtar: "Get away from here!" So immediately he went — they were his associates — his circle. So he was afraid of them. Yes. They were not simple people. They told him to go — so he went. And they remained. (Saba laughs.) And they remained — they did not go to pray — they did not go to Karlin. They — they — they saw such a spectacle. All the city in an uproar: "Where is Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)?" And my family — they don't… (Saba laughs.) Segment 28 EN: So they waited until he finished the Shmoneh Esray of — of the Shabbos prayer. And they knocked on the door and spoke with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner): "We have sent away Mordechai — we sent him away. We want to speak with you." So, so he opened the door and they entered. And they were clever — wise. Not… yes. But they were nullified before the prayer they had heard from Rebbe Yisroel. (Saba laughs.) So one asked — they asked him several questions. And he answered first things first and last things last — he answered everything. And they were very astonished — they had never heard such words. (Saba laughs.) Segment 29 EN: They were clever — they asked him: "What is this? Breslov and Karlin and all — the religious — nu — they all have children. And also the Breslovers have a wife and they have children. What — what? What — what — what difference is there? They — they are below… These marry and have children — and those marry — marry and have children. So what? What is the difference? What — what questions — what?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 30 EN: So Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) said to them: "These marry — they marry for the sake of — for the sake of bodily desire. And they also have children — naturally they also have sons. But the main thing for them is the desire for the… And those tzaddikim — the tzaddikim — they marry because they want children — for the sake of this they marry!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 31 EN: They thought: how can this be… They did not — did not know how to answer this. And he gave them a sufficient answer. And they — they — they did not answer. (Saba laughs.) And they were nullified before Rebbe Yisroel — and they loved him for everything he spoke with them — and he answered everything for them. And they were nullified. And they drew close — and they drew close to Rabbainu. Yes. And they supported him and… yes. Oy. (Saba laughs.) Segment 32 EN: They — for the first time in their lives — the three — the three wise men — they — they saw for the first time in their lives such an uproar. So when they heard — so they asked: "What is this uproar? What? What is going on?" "Ho — you haven't heard that Yisroel Ber has become Breslov?" "We heard — nu — so what?" "So what? They took him — Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal)." And they told him. They saw such an uproar — such an uproar — what is Breslov? And Rav Tzvi went to pray. (Saba laughs.) Segment 33 EN: On Sunday I was afraid: perhaps the Mukhtar wants money? He will come again and take me to prison — money — "Where is Rav Tzvi? Money — only money — money." (Saba laughs.) So, so I found a place next to the Karlin synagogue — a place — a hidden place — a place where one cannot be seen. I was there the whole day next to the synagogue. Yes. Perhaps Mordechai will come with police — I… And no one knew who — where — where I was. So they will go to search. (Saba laughs.) In any case — I — I was there until Minchah. At Minchah I went up from the place I was — to the synagogue — to pray Minchah — to hear "Kedushah" and… Segment 34 EN: The elder Rav Kahat came — Rav Kahat was — he was a Karliner. And also — and also the father of the wife — of the wife of Rav Tzvi Rosenthal — was also a Karliner and they were friends. So Rav Kahat went to pray Minchah. And he heard that the police had taken Mordechai — the Mukhtar — to Istanbul. And there was a great complaint against him that he was a spy — that he… yes. So Rav Kahat said: "This is Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — Rebbe Yisroel — this is the act of Rebbe Yisroel. Rebbe Yisroel punished him — he — he — Hashem gave him punishment for this — for this Shabbos — he… They took him. And from that time he disappeared. I never saw him. He had — Teveria never saw him again." (Saba laughs.) Segment 35 EN: They took him — and from then he disappeared. I never saw him. He had — Teveria never saw him again. Perhaps he… I think they killed him — spy. There was a complaint that he was a spy. So the English — they — they — they — they were at war with Turkey. And here was Turkey. Also Syria was Turkey and Lebanon was Turkey — all Turkey. Yoy. And… nu — Turkey. And the complaint was that Mordechai was a spy — he — he — he was a spy — all that is here in Turkey — he hands over to the enemy — to their enemy. So this is espionage. So he did not return alive. From — from that first day — he did not return to Teveria — not to Eretz Yisroel. Not — not known where — where he is — where he is. Yes. If they killed him and… In any case it is not known. Teveria remained without the Mukhtar — without Mordechai! Yes. (Saba laughs.) He made such a Shabbos — so he had such a Sunday — that they took him to Istanbul and he did not return alive. (Saba laughs.) Segment 36 EN: This was such a spectacle — the whole city was in an uproar. The Sephardim — they are a people unto themselves. They do not know what is going on among the Ashkenazim. And the Ashkenazim do not know what is going on among the Sephardim. Two — two — two separate communities. These are Sephardim and these are Ashkenazim. Yes. The one is not like the other. But the episode of Rav Tzvi (Rosenthal)? The whole — the whole city — all the Sephardim knew that something — something like this had occurred. (Saba laughs.) That Rav Tzvi went to pray — on Friday — and did not — did not return! (Saba laughs.) Nu — all the city — Ashkenazim and Sephardim alike — everyone was in such an uproar: "How can one take… how does one do such a thing? On Friday one goes to pray and not…?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 37 EN: This — this is not — this — this is such a wondrous act as we have never heard! The act — how can it be…? How does one do such a thing? (Saba laughs.) He went on Friday to Yerushalayim on foot. He had no money to travel. He went on Friday — went to pray. And from the synagogue he walked to Yerushalayim! (Saba laughs.) Has such an act ever been heard? The uproar that was throughout Teveria — among the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim — there was… Everyone spoke of Breslov: "What is this? How does one do such a thing? One goes to pray and does not return — on Friday!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 38 EN: And the three wise men of Teveria — they went to pray. And they did not — did not know anything. They did not know — not about Yisroel Ber and not about Rav Tzvi. {They knew} nothing of Breslov at all. They came… This Karlin synagogue was next to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). All the synagogues were next to — next to Rebbe Yisroel. So all those who went had to pass by Rebbe Yisroel. Nu. And at Rebbe Yisroel's place stood my family and the family of Rav Tzvi — they were throwing stones and weeping: "Where is he?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 39 EN: The three wise men saw. (Saba laughs.) The whole city of Teveria is in such an uproar — what… So they asked: "What — what is going on here? These are synagogues where people pray — what is going on here? What is going on? What happened?" (Saba laughs.) "Ho — what — what? You haven't heard? Yisroel Ber has become Breslov! And Rav Tzvi — and Rav Tzvi has become Breslov" — on Friday he went to pray and did not return! (Saba laughs.) They heard news — such news — who has heard such a thing? (Saba laughs.) For them it was a kind of spectacle. Yes. They asked everyone: "What is going on? What — what is going on here?" And everyone said: "Yisroel Ber and Rav Tzvi." (Saba laughs.) Segment 40 EN: And they — and they merited! They entered Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). They entered Rebbe Yisroel and wanted to hear what is this — what. (Saba laughs.) So they were clever. So they asked Rebbe Yisroel their questions — the matter — the matter of… They asked him: "What principle do you have — from the tzaddikim, from the wicked — they all take wives and have children. These Breslovers have children — they have a wife and children. We have a wife and children. And all the wicked — all the transgressors — have a wife and children. So what is there? (Saba laughs.) What? Why Breslov? Breslovers — don't they have wives? They also have wives — they also have children — what is this? What — what is going on?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 41 EN: So Rebbe Yisroel… They asked mockingly. And Rebbe Yisroel answered them in truth — in wisdom: "There are — there are people who marry because they want to marry. They — he wants the desire. So he has children. And truly upright people — they — they — the main thing for them — they want to beget sons — as the Torah says one must beget sons. And for the sake of this they marry. They — because they marry — they have a child… They beget children. And these — for the sake of — for the sake of fulfilling the Torah — to beget children — so they marry!" Oy, oy. (Saba laughs.) Segment 42 EN: So I — I became a person — a new person. Such an episode happened. (Saba laughs.) Who has heard such a thing? One goes to pray at the time of vatikin — says nothing — he goes to pray — and is lost — disappeared — is not here! Who has heard? (Saba laughs.) Everyone said: "This is only a Breslov act! The Breslovers can do such a thing — the whole world does not know." Oy, oy. (Saba laughs.) This — this is such an act — when Mashiach comes they will also tell it and there will be great joy from Rav Tzvi — from Rav Tzvi who walked on foot to Yerushalayim on Friday! (Saba laughs.) Segment 43 EN: He said to Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner): "I am not Yisroel Ber — I cannot bear it. Nu — if so — Heaven forfend — I am afraid that perhaps, perhaps I will fall — perhaps. So I am going. So I want to go to Yerushalayim. In Yerushalayim there is also Rav Shlomo Wexler and there are Breslov Chassidim. I can be there… Here in Teveria I cannot — I cannot — I am not a warrior! I must go to Yerushalayim. I have no money? I will walk on foot! Blessed be Hashem — my legs are strong. Blessed be Hashem — I have a strong body. I can reach Yerushalayim on foot." (Saba laughs.) Segment 44 EN: This great officer — who took me out — to beat me murderous blows — oy — he was — he was also a lover of money — like Mordechai. Mordechai gave him too… There would be good business for him. They — he made a complaint that we are spies — that we are sending people to Russia — to Uman. Nu, nu, nu. So on Sunday they took him to Istanbul. He was a spy. And he did not return to Teveria again… Oy, oy. (Saba laughs.) (not understood) They went to the synagogue to pray and knew nothing. These three wise men — they went to pray — a spectacle — let us see how… Going with a tallis along the way talking. Yes. And praying. Good! Like every Shabbos. They came there and saw such a revolution — such an uproar. So they asked: "What is going on here?" "Ho — what — what? Don't you hear?" (Saba laughs.) Segment 45 EN: Now there is another niggun. [Yes?] Yes — "Shoshanas…" Yes. (not understood) Segment 46 EN: We must also announce it to ourselves. [Saba continues singing: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah…"] This broadcasts knowledge — this is a very great knowledge. [Saba continues singing: "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] Segment 47 EN: The light of the tzaddik — Mordechai the tzaddik — Mordechai — the reverse of Haman-Amalek! ["Teshu'asam…"] [Saba continues singing: "Teshu'asam, teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam, v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador…"] Also in this generation — not only in every generation — also in this generation — also in this — also upon us. [Saba continues singing: "Teshu'asam, teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam, v'sikvosam b'chol…"] Segment 48 EN: "Sikvosam" — hope. There is hope — there is, there is, there is no despair — only hope! [Saba continues singing…] Yes. Nu — come. Why are you silent? [Saba and friends continue singing: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach — Shoshanas Yaakov tzahalah v'samechah bir'osam yachad techeiles Mordechai teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] Segment 49 EN: This is a great knowledge — this is only: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah" — what? "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — this is knowledge. One announces to oneself and to all — and to all — and to the whole city — to the whole world — one must "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah." [Saba and friends continue singing…] Segment 50 EN: Both — both nigunim I remember. I — I had not heard — I — for the first time — the second time I heard these nigunim — there was awakened… there was such an awakening in me. Until today I feel — the — the awakening — until today! When I recall that I heard once — that I heard this niggun — I become a different person — a different person. The awakening is without end — without limit! Yes. Segment 51 EN: And I saw — all those with whom I rejoiced after the passing of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) in Yerushalayim — Rav Shlomo (Wexler) and Rav Nassan — and Rav Nassan the husband of Gitkele — and Rav Gedalyah Berger — I saw literally the Shechinah resting. Every one said every word: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah" — then "teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador…" Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey — lehavdiah — (not understood) Segment 52 EN: [Saba continues singing: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah shekol kovecha…"] Segment 53 EN: If the world knew of this — they would all be tzaddi… all of us — all of them — holy tzaddikim. Yes. Only — the main thing — we are in wisdoms. We do not believe. How is it possible to repair such sick people as in these generations? How is it possible? A person despairs of himself. Ah — one must announce — "shekol kovecha" — all those who hope — this is everyone — all, all who hope in Hashem — whatever one's level — "kol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu — v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — as the holy Rabbainu explains: "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem…" — do you remember the conversation there? This conversation — the holy Rabbainu explains the verse: "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem kol hameychalelim laShem" — even whatever one's level — "kol hameychalelim"? "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem!" Not to fall — Heaven forfend. Segment 54 EN: Ah — in particular this — the holy Rabbainu revealed this. This — this — whoever — one must extract one thing from within another — one thing from within another. Whoever revealed this — he is the Rebbe… he can extract for me — he can… "Chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem" — "Chazak v'amatz" — yes. As it is written in the letter — in the Petek: "Talmidi hayakar" — "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — "v'alecha amarti"? Nu — "Chazak v'amatz libecha" — "Chazak v'amatz" — yes — "b'avodascha!" And immediately the signature. This signature — it — it is the knowledge — he announces this to us. Yes. "Nehenaytis me'od me'avodascha" — as you — "v'alecha amarti chazak v'amatz lib…" — "Chazak v'amatz b'avodascha" — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman"? Segment 55 EN: This — never was there such a signature — not in the lifetime of Rabbainu — only this was revealed in the Petek. A new revelation — that it — it is the song that will be revealed in the future — 'pashut, kaful, meshulass, meruba' — "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman!" This is a new revelation. This — the redemption — all the redemption depends on it! And… if we — we say this — so what, what? Who are we? What? I — I say like this — and another says like this. Yes. But what the holy Rabbainu revealed — still — still not even a drop from the sea. He — he announced only a little — a little that holds the great — only a little — a little — a drop from the sea — from his greatness. And he knew how we need him — for his every word — in order to know the Holy One Blessed Be He and to merit yiras Shamayim and emunah and truth. Yes. (Saba laughs.) There will be a new world — there will not… The world now is tohu vovohu and darkness! (Saba laughs.) Segment 56 EN: He is not absorbing it? He needs to absorb all the niggun and the words. He — he is absorbing? [Yes.] Yes? [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) I saw truly upright people — genuinely holy tzaddikim. I saw how they held themselves in the utmost — in the utmost humility — in the utmost humility. And he revived himself: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, shekol kovecha…" Even I. (Saba laughs.) Yes. "Kol kovecha" — this — even I — as I am. Yes. "Kol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — this is the knowledge of Purim! This is such knowledge — it is simple. But — but it holds the small within the great — it holds a sea — a spring of wisdom holds within it — it holds levels. Not everyone merits to see what, what there is in it. Yes. But each one was joyful — there was another world — a special world. He — he — he was dancing in his own world. (Saba laughs.) Each one had such powers — different from his fellow. He was in another world — not — not… yes. But — but all of them — each one — all of them — all of them merited to feel the light of Rabbainu. Through Rabbainu — this: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah…" The holy Rabbainu announces this to us. Yes. "Shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — this is such knowledge that one can be through it every day and every moment completely new! "Kol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — even we — even {all converts, all the converts} in the world — and all the trans… This — this is Purim. Purim — this is Mordechai the tzaddik — this — this is the tzaddik. Purim — this is the light of — Purim — this surpasses all — all — all… Even Shabbos — even — even all the holidays. The joy of Purim. Segment 57 EN: The holy Rabbainu said: "Before — all new beginnings were from Pesach. And now — from Purim!" Purim — Purim — what happened — what I saw — I saw — this is set within all my heart. I heard this seventy years ago. Nu — and how do I remember it now? It is set within my heart — forever! When I saw how they were dancing with such great joy: "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — (Saba laughs) — they — they instilled in me a new spirit — over all y… over all my life. Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) They cried: "lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah, lehavdiah." Segment 58 EN: [Saba sings: "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach…"] Segment 59 EN: "Lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — if only we would merit this. Because we do not — do not believe — how is it possible? Such sick people as in this generation — how is it possible that they would have — that they could be repaired? How is it possible? We have fallen and distanced ourselves so much — in these generations of darkness — in this orphaned generation. This is an orphaned generation. If there is no holy Rabbainu — the world is… They do not know of the holy Rabbainu. If all the world had known of the holy Rabbainu — the redemption would have come long since — Mashiach would already have come long since! (Saba laughs.) Segment 60 EN: But — but: "gamarti v'agmor" — and "teshu'asam haysa l'netzach v'sikvosam b'chol dor vador" — yes — as we — as he. (Saba laughs.) The holy Rabbainu said: "Hashem — He, He is always victorious." 66 — (not understood — Saba speaks in Yiddish) — "shekol kovecha lo yevoshu v'lo yikaleemu l'netzach kol hachosim bach" — "chizku v'ya'amatz l'vavchem kol hameychalelim laShem." Nu — "kol hameychalelim" — also we. Yes. In all — in all — in all the worst in the world — in all the most distant in the world. Yes. The holy Rabbainu attained chassadim — wondrous new chassadim — such as had never yet been — that had not been — that were not known — that had not been revealed in the world. This is new. He attained in the Torah — he attained insights such that "there is no despair in the world at all." (Saba laughs.) Oy voy — yoy — oy voy… Segment 61 EN: like this — that I was literally nullified. How is it possible to merit this? Yes. Like this it was. (Saba laughs.) When I heard — even a hundred times — however many times I heard from them "lehavdiah" — "Shoshanas Yaakov tzahalah v'samechah" — it was for me new — as if, as if I had not yet heard it at all. Yes. (Saba laughs.) It was with such awakening — with such emunah — with such joy — that it was new! Segment 62 EN: Ah — and I saw how the life of our people — anshay shlomaynu — was always new. And the joy was set upon the face and upon all the body. And he had no livelihood and he had no… There could have been confusions for him. I — Rav Gedalyah Berger — his wife was sick with tuberculosis — and he was poor. He had nothing. He was — he needed to — through miracles. He lived through miracles. And he was always joyful — and always — always he served Hashem with joy. And not as he — as one would expect. Yes. One does not see — in the world one does not see such joy — such service — such emunah — such has not been in the world. Only by Rabbainu Rebbe Nachman. They did not become this on their own — they became this through Rabbainu — through his words. And every one — even in these generations — always — whoever truly wants and supports himself — and trusts in — in the Holy One Blessed Be He and in the holy Rabbainu — that he will draw us close to the Holy One Blessed Be He and to Torah. It is within his power — as we — we are already lost — we are already without Rabbainu — I… nothing! It is impossible to repair — it is impossible to heal such sick people. But the holy Rabbainu merited this — that he can heal all — even, even those who have no hope. And he attained insights such that… compassion of Hashem — the chassadim of Hashem — that had not yet been revealed in the world. So through this he can — he can bring out all — everything — from the tohu — from the mud — from the impurity! Yes. One can sing "lehavdiah" on every Shabbos — every day — yes — in all our lives. (Saba laughs.) # Tape 4G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/7/ Tape 4G, Side Aleph קסטה 4G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/7 Segment 1 EN: I gave my soul to be with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — because I was alone without {vessels}. I did not leave him a single step. Wherever he went — we went together. Yes. From Teveria to Tzfas. Yes. (Saba laughs.) It was spoken among people: "Here is Breslov — here is a Breslov couple!" (Saba laughs.) This was a sign that we went together. This was (not understood) about Breslov. And Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — all — all — all… Tzfas and Teveria — the whole world — he was not… He had another name — he had four names. Yisroel Halperin — that was the family name. And also in Uman they called him Tchek — Rebbe Yisroel Tchek — Tchaykein de'Freilich. [Tchek means joy.] Such joy — such great joy. [In Russian — Tchek is Russian.] Tchek — yes. (Saba laughs.) Tchek. So they called him Rebbe Yisroel Tchek. And in Eretz Yisroel they called him everywhere. He lived in Yerushalayim — afterwards he moved from Yerushalayim to Meron — to Tzfas — for several reasons — the Holy One Blessed Be He. He — he did not live long. He — he could have been in Meron and I in Teveria — and we would not have known one another. Yes. And the Holy One Blessed Be He wanted it to be — so He arranged the circumstances — He brought him to my house. And from this came about what came about. Yes. What was — I have no words and I have no strength. There are no — these are spiritual words — spiritual words — this is impossible to… Yes. This is entirely spiritual — entirely soul — entirely truth. And the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged it. He… Segment 2 EN: They fried me very much — the father and the mother and the family and the whole world. I was very fried. [Ah — they fried — they fried.] Yes. But I did not know what this was — I did not know why — I did not know. (Saba laughs.) If I had known then what I, what I see now — [you would have asked for more] — I would have — yes. [Bring — bring more humiliations.] Ah — I would have — I would have. (Saba laughs.) Segment 3 EN: Yes. But blessed be Hashem — I — I know my worth. That I am so — I do not want — that… that any man — that my sons should hear what I am speaking. They think their father is — he is great — he. (Saba laughs.) Nu. But I know the truth. It is hard for me — it was hard for me to accept "Talmidi hayakar" — "My dear student." Yes. (Saba laughs.) And also "v'alecha amarti" — "and of you I said." At the time I found the — the Petek — there were elderly men of our people in Yerushalayim — Rav Shlomo Wexler — [Naftali Cohen] — and more elderly men. Yes. Naftali Cohen and Rav Nassan — Rav Nassan son of — of Rav Pinchas Yeshayahu — Rav Nassan who was — Gitkele — he took Gitkele. Yes. He was Breslov — true Breslov — Breslov. Not — not — not ordinary Breslov. Segment 4 EN: [Does he also know of the Petek? Does he know of the Petek?] Rav Nassan? I do not know — I do not know — I don't — I don't remember. But this I am certain — that I showed it to Rav Shlomo (Wexler). Yes. As now — I don't know as — as now — we (not understood) — we are already sitting here now. Here — and like this we sat by {the cabinet with books — yes — next to my room}. And there was a great distance — I was nothing. And he had a great mind and great honor. Yes. He was a holy man. I literally lived with him. I saw how he eats. So I — there was a wonder in me. How does he live? How is he in the world? How does he live? How does he subsist? I saw what… how he eats with such holiness. Yes. Not — not ordinary as we eat. He was a matter… yes. But even so — even so there was in him a wonder — emunah — with the… He was from Germany. And there — they don't have — they have there matters of stubbornness — of… that they are stubborn in their opinion and it is impossible — impossible to change them. There is — there is (not understood). Segment 5 EN: [I have hope — I was born — I was born in this land and my parents are also from Germany. I have hope of emerging from this. I hope that I have hope.] In any case — even from Germany one can… [With Rabbainu — with Rabbainu it is possible.] But — but one can err. One can err. He — he did not travel to Rabbainu. He was able — he had money — he was able to travel. Yes. But he — he was a great scholar. He was versed and wise in Torah and he — he — he had by him — he decided a ruling — a ruling — a Torah ruling that it is forbidden to leave Eretz Yisroel. Yoy. But there are matters — yes — it is forbidden! But it is written explicitly: for a Rebbe — if one has a Rebbe outside Eretz Yisroel — a clear Rebbe more than Eretz Yisroel — one can. (Saba laughs.) And in any case — [Rabbainu for every generation and every era is the clear Rebbe until the coming of Mashiach.] Nu. Yoy. [And after the coming of Mashiach.] But I was together with him. But… And I knew that he had a deficiency. But it is impossible to bring him out of it. Yes. So… yes. I gave him like this — and also Rav Shlomo likewise — only without saying. Yes. I sit with him together and speak with him everything — what, what I understood should not be accepted — then I had no value — I did not accept what, what I understood was not — not… Yes. The whole matter of Rabbainu is beyond nature — every word he revealed. Even what there is already a parallel to — but this — this that came from his mouth — his Torah teachings — the world does not know. They think: this is "Noam Elimelech" — this is holiness — "Kedushas Levi" from the Rav of Berdichev. What — what? He was greater than "Kedushas Levi"? Yes. The world does not… Yes. There is another book — there is also "Likutay Moharan" — just as there is "Kedushas Levi" — "Noam Elimelech" — so there is "Likutay Moharan." But this is a special matter. (Saba laughs.) This — this — the holy Rabbainu said: "I — I am a secret from all the world." Even the Rav of Berdichev was a gaon and tzaddik. Yes. And the holy Rabbainu praised him. But — but if he had known of Rabbainu — he was a secret — if he had known of Rabbainu — he would have been like Rebbe Nassan — a disciple — a disciple of Rabbainu — in ultimate self-nullification. Yes. But like this he was to himself — yes — that he was the great one of the generation — the glory of the generation. Yes. But there are hidden matters — spiritual matters — wondrous matters hidden from the world. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 6 EN: Yes. This is the matter of Rabbainu. Every soul that merits to draw close to Rabbainu in truth — this is a wondrous matter. Because — because — because the holy Rabbainu has dealings with each and every one. He — he guides him as — as one needs to guide him. Yes. Each and every one. This is a matter… The holy Rabbainu speaks of this in Likutay Moharan — in Likutay Moharan. He — he explains the verse: "Aileh hadvarim asher diber Moshe el kol Yisroel" — "These are the words that Moshe spoke to all Yisroel." Do you remember this? [In which Torah?] Every word of the tzaddik — [yes] — in every — in every word he — he speaks one word. And he — and he — and you receive [what you need] — what you need. Yes. Like this — in the word of the tzaddik — each one — there is in it everything — all — all that each one needs — in one word. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. And the holy Rabbainu explains this verse — a verse in Devarim. [Yes — "Aileh hadvarim."] "Aileh hadvarim asher diber Moshe el kol Yisroel" — the words that Moshe spoke? To all Yisroel — each one what he needs! "El kol Yisroel" — "el kol Yisroel." (Saba laughs.) Each one finds what he needs. Yes. Oy voy, oy… Segment 7 EN: And also I am a simple man. I am sunk in everything — in the desire to eat. I — I did not eat. [You are ill — you are ill now — dangerously ill.] Now. But before there was — I — I don't — I don't want to become so publicized. Who am I? (Saba laughs.) [Ah — but truly — did you ever try to diminish your eating a little? Certainly you tried.] Like this — I had a will. [Nu — blessed be Hashem — the main thing is the will. By Rabbainu the will is the main thing.] But — but — but — but. [Will — will — will is a great thing by Rabbainu.] I had a will. But not… There are matters that it is forbidden to reveal — that is forbidden… Yes. [That is the greatness of Rabbainu.] Yes. [You are the greatness of Rabbainu.] Yes, yes. [Quite the opposite — quite the opposite — this is the greatness.] Yes, yes. [That Rabbainu descended to you and is able to say "My dear student."] Segment 8 EN: "Talmidi hayakar" — "My dear student." The Petek could have been without "Talmidi hayakar" — "Me'od hayah kasheh li larede elecha lehagid lecha" — "It was very difficult for me to descend to you to tell you." What is this? In the middle he adds "Talmidi hayka…?" (Saba laughs.) [This is the will — this is the will — this is the will — this is your will.] What is this? (Saba laughs.) [This is your will.] Nu, nu. Could Leverman accept this? What? He is not a scholar — he is not — he is a simple man. What? "Talmidi hayakar?" "v'alecha amarti?" (Saba laughs.) Yes. As — as I know — he — he also thinks this. Ah — this is fitting for Levi Yitzchak (Bender). The Petek should have been for Levi Yitzchak. But not for Yisroel Ber. (Saba laughs.) Segment 9 EN: From this one sees such strengthening — that Rabbainu is as by the Holy One Blessed Be He. It is written — there is a verse: "Eshkon es dakah" — "I will dwell with the crushed one." One who is crushed. Yes. To the uttermost crush — crushed — crushed. Yes. (Saba laughs.) "Eshkon es dakah" — and like this… And Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Nassan was with him in ultimate self-nullification. He saw the holy… the light of Rabbainu — the holiness of Rabbainu. He — so he — he was in such humility. This was also hard for him to accept "Talmidi hayakar." Yes. (Saba laughs.) Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Nassan was with him as zero and nothing. Because it is impossible to be without Rabbainu. The holy Rabbainu is — he — he — he… He saw the greatness of Rabbainu — so he was completely nullified! Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 10 EN: He had no — no — no thought of honor — of — of pride — of… I — I — I am a student of the holy Rabbainu. I merit to hear such Torah teachings — such stories. And he was zero and nothing. He understood that he was completely distant from the Holy One Blessed Be He. Compared to Rabbainu? He… Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. But he was a gaon. But I — I am nothing — I am completely — quite the opposite — he was humble. This — this is ravuta — this is great wisdom. How can such a man be — be zero and nothing? This is beyond nature. This is the holy Rabbainu who illuminated upon him. The holy Rabbainu is such a vessel: "Eshkon es dakah" — that he should be with him as zero and nothing. Yes. If not — then he cannot receive from Rabbainu. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And I am literally zero and nothing! He was a gaon but… And I am truly nothing. And this Petek came suddenly — without — without — without preparation — nothing. There was an event of the Seventeenth of Tammuz — as it is written in the Petek: "u'siman yud-zayin b'Tammuz" — "and the sign is the Seventeenth of Tammuz." (Saba laughs.) Yes. This will heal — I cannot take care of you. What? I was in very great danger. This — crushed — I was so crushed — that I was a sick soul. And I had fallen into such sadness — into such brokenheartedness — that without a remedy — there is, there is, there is no remedy for this. There is none. Yes. I was from this as — as… And from this the Petek was created. Segment 11 EN: And the holy Rabbainu says in the Sefer HaMidos: "Mi she'over avayrah umisbayyesh bah" — "One who transgresses and is ashamed of it" — and is ashamed of it. Yes. "Mochalin lo al kol avonossav!" — "He is forgiven all his sins!" (Saba laughs.) This is in the Sefer HaMidos. (Saba laughs.) So the sorrow and the shame and the depression that I had from this — this, this, this was — was an atonement for all the si… for all… So says Rabbainu — so it is written in the Sefer HaMidos. So, so, so — not — not surprising that he writes — that he — that he speaks to me in such language: "Talmidi hayakar" — "v'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) I had such sorrow — [shame] — yes. And also I could not have pride — could not. Because I recognized my own worth. (Saba laughs.) Segment 12 EN: And also Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) of blessed memory — Rebbe Yisroel of blessed memory was — he recognized me. He protected me. Yes. He was — he — he knew that I was nothing. Yes. And even so he saw the — I — I want and I — and I stand against all the wise men — against all the great ones — and against… yes. Only… yes. So, so he — so this — this had more value for him than all — than all — than all the — than all of them. Yes. And he accepted me as a gift. Yes. With all — all — all — all his heart — all his soul — all… yes, yes. Because Rebbe Yisroel of blessed memory — if one gives — if one gives such mesiras nefesh — is it worthwhile? A scholar — talented (Saba laughs) — (not understood) — yes. This — Rebbe Yisroel was unique. Without Rebbe Yisroel — no other person would have been — there would not have been such ease — there would not have been such a connection with — with whom? (not understood) (Saba laughs.) Yes. But Rebbe Avraham son of Rebbe Nachman — if I had drawn close to him — perhaps he would have spoken — spoken with me. Yes. But — but not — but not in such a way as Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — in such a connection. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 13 EN: [He had the power to see — the matter of Rabbainu in you — the… He already saw that he needed to go even to Teveria from Meron.] Yes, yes. [They showed him that there was a very special matter in Teveria.] Yes, yes, yes. The Holy One Blessed Be He arranged that he… [yes] — that he — that He instilled in him [yes] — He instilled in him a light — that he should know what this is — what this is. [Yes — that there would be here something special for the future — something for all the people of Yisroel.] Yes, yes, yes, yes. [He certainly prayed for the redemption of the people of Yisroel always — and for everything.] Certainly! He — he was… [All the time he wanted to yearn — to find the point — what is lacking in the…] All his weeping — in all — in all — in all… was only for the people of Yisroel. What will be? What will be? He felt the sorrow of what this is — what this is — these falls — the heresies — and the false beliefs — and the falsehood — this is worse than all — worse than all the sufferings in the world! And he gave his soul to the Holy One Blessed Be He — he prayed for this — yes — that the Holy One Blessed Be He should have mercy — that the da'as of Rabbainu should be revealed in the world — and that everything should — should already be. (Saba laughs.) Segment 14 EN: Everything depends on Rabbainu — everything. All Torah and emunah — and all our life in this world and the World to Come — it is only Rabbainu! The world does not know this. Yes. They do not know that the holy Rabbainu is such a secret — such a wonder. Even Leverman — he — he — he — he says he is a Breslov Chassid. But he — he understands: "He is a Breslov Chassid? Let Rabbainu have honor — be a scholar — Gemara — Poskim. Yes. But — but Likutay Tfilos — Likutay Moharan — Likutay Halachos — these are not scholarship. Yes. These are chassidus." (Saba laughs.) Yes. Also — yes. According to the holy Rabbainu — if one sees the light of the Gemara — of — of — of — of all — of all — of all Torah — yes — Kabbalah and all — in Likutay Halachos — there is already… He — he connects Kabbalah with — with every halachic ruling — with every ruling — with every… Yes. And the world should be — should be always fixed in Likutay Halachos! All learners and the whole world. Because one sees in it such wonders upon wonders — how he learned the Gemara — how he learned the Midrash and… yes. And… But the world does not know. They think there is Likutay Halachos — like what — what? What do I need Likutay Halachos for? Novelties — novelties of chassidus — of — of — of Kabbalah? This is… (Saba laughs.) Segment 15 EN: There are — Heaven forfend — those who say that we make idolatry of Rabbainu — so great. But this we do not… What Rabbainu says — what Rabbainu revealed — he revealed only a drop from the sea of his greatness — nothing. This is hidden — hidden. But he lowers himself — it is hard for me — "me'od hayah kasheh li larede elecha" — "It was very difficult for me to descend to you." He lowers himself even to Yisroel Ber: "Talmidi hayakar" — "v'alecha amarti." (Saba laughs.) Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. Fortunate is one who… The ears that hear such words — there are none in the world — there is none — none — none — none like them in the world. What I — that I received with mesiras nefesh from Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and from all — from all our elderly men — the men of truth. Not — not as today. Today people — people who simply chase after honor and money and all the… yes, yes. This is darkness! [Someone at the door.] Segment 16 EN: You do not know. Quite the contrary — I do not intend that I — that I — that I am a secret — that I — that I… Quite the contrary — I intend the truth — that I — that I am at such a level — that I am ashamed even to speak. Yes. And the holy Rabbainu is as it is written in Hallel: "me'ashpos" — the garbage heap — what is this? This is garbage heaps. "Me'ashpos yarim evyon" — "He raises the destitute from the garbage heaps." Destitute — ["Hishtapchus HaNefesh" you found in the garbage heaps] — from garbage heaps. Yes. (Saba laughs.) "Yarim evyon" — the destitute is literally destitute — destitute of Torah and good deeds and of everything — in wisdom. And that is it. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 17 EN: Yes. "Mekimi me'afar dal" — "He raises the poor from the dust." "Mekimi me'afar" — from dust — there is nothing lower than dust. Dust is… sadness is this — this is called by the name "dust." "Dust" is sadness — it is laziness and sadness — this is dust. "Mekimi me'afar dal" — "the poor man" is truly — he has nothing — the poor man has nothing — nothing — nothing at all. Yes. "Mekimi me'afar dal" — and still more: "me'ashpos yarim evyon" — "He raises the destitute from the garbage heaps." "Yarim evyon" — apparently the destitute one is more than the poor man. (Saba laughs.) "Me'ashpos yarim evyon." Yes, yes… Segment 18 EN: We see — we see how one can… We see now that the bond between me and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — this was a preparation — a preparation for now. Everything I suffered — everything was for the sake of the wedding. This was about the wedding — {about the wedding}. (Saba laughs.) And also the Petek — the Petek too — this also — this also — is among the wondrous things that are impossible to accept — impossible to understand — impossible… Yes. And the matter of the Petek — and all of this was Rebbe Yisroel. Without Rebbe Yisroel — there would be no Yisroel Ber — there would be no Petek — there would be no Seventeenth… No — there would have been no Seventeenth of Tammuz and there would have been no. (Saba laughs.) Segment 19 EN: [People say that we make idolatry of the Petek.] Yes. [But what we are doing — we want a printing press to print Rabbainu's da'as in the world. We have no interest in publicizing ourselves Heaven forfend. The publicizing of the Petek —] Nu. [is only for the sake of bringing Rabbainu's wisdom to the world.] Yes. [To illuminate the world with his wisdom.] Yes, yes — certainly! [And all the Petek and all the secret of the Petek is the matter of printing — the main thing of printing. Yes? It is the main — main — main secret — that the world should be filled…] The holy Rabbainu is — he — he — the printing — that his wisdom should spread in the world — that there should be a time when they accept — when the world accepts Rabbainu as their leader — that they should know that he is the true leader. (Saba laughs.) Yes. The world would already have been — long since the world would have been entirely repaired — there would already have been the coming of Mashiach and there would already have been the… yes. Everything depends on Rabbainu! Yes. And this we do not understand. There can be — Rabbainu can be revealed — that there can draw close — that there can draw close such souls — who have a great mind — who can — one can bring millions to Rabbainu through his word. Then all — all — oy, oy, oy, oy. "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman!" (Saba laughs.) Yes. All will cast aside all money and all desires and all… We want — we want… Segment 20 EN: [Rabbainu said — but only Mashiach will be able after him to draw all the world close. It will be Mashiach Tzidkaynu who will have the power of speech.] These are hidden matters. Everything — everything depends on Rabbainu! [If such a soul is found — certainly…] The holy Rabbainu says: "Bias HaMashiach…" [yes] yes. In the Sefer HaMidos. [yes] "Bias HaMashiach taluy b'hitkarvus — b'hitkarvus latzaddik — latzaddikim" — "The coming of Mashiach depends on drawing close — drawing close to the tzaddik — to the tzaddikim." [To the tzaddikim.] Yes. One sees that this — this — this will bring — will bring the redemption — will bring the coming of Mashiach. That there are things that we do not achieve and not… Yes. But the whole world — they are completely distant. What the world is distant from Torah — from all — all the secular ones and all the distant ones and all the transgressors — this all — because the holy Rabbainu is — (not understood) — that the holy Rabbainu is striking… He — he… The world does not — does not know and does not want to know. They — they want the desires. But — but when the time comes and they feel and know that everything is nothing — vanity! That not… All the desires and all the money and all the gold — like the country of wealth in the "Ba'al Tfilah." (Saba laughs.) Segment 21 EN: [Can there be a person who can draw close to Rabbainu before Mashiach Tzidkaynu — who will draw thousands to Rabbainu — before Mashiach comes?] Yes, yes, yes. [Who will draw close to Rabbainu through speech.] One sees now that the whole world is drawing themselves to Rabbainu — they are nullifying themselves before Rabbainu. The secular ones should have distanced themselves from Rabbainu completely. They should have nullified him. What? He says: "Wisdoms are nothing and desires to nothing and… only — only Torah and prayer?" What? But — but one sees — ho — this is the "Ba'al Tfilah." He is such a philosopher — they are completely nullified. They see his conversations and his Torah teachings — even according to — according to their own standpoint — they feel: ho — there was no such wise man in the world — such a philosopher. Yes. They are nullified — they… He — he makes them dust and ashes. Yes. As in his lifetime — the Maskilim in Uman — they were completely nullified. They were completely nullified! And Hirsh Ber — he was — he was their head and he was an apikores — they were all such apikoresim. Yes. And the holy Rabbainu — they wanted — they, they were completely nullified. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 22 EN: And also we saw in the world — even in this time — before — before — before fifty years ago — there was Aharon Zeitlin and more — and more great wise men — writers — and they all — they all were nullified — nullified before Rabbainu! [Yes.] Martin Buber. Yes. Aharon Zeitlin — he was a philosopher. [He truly made complete teshuvah — yes?] Yes — certainly! (Saba laughs.) And he was in Uman on Rosh HaShanah!… # Tape 4G, Side Bais URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/8/ Tape 4G, Side Bais קסטה 4G — צד ב Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/8 Segment 1 EN: Yes. [This is a great sanctification of Hashem — it can be.] And also the Roshay Yeshivah — the directors and the… [yes — the teachers] — the teachers — also? [Yes — the teachers — certainly. This is a day — this is the last day of the school year.] Conclusion — the conclusion of the school year — the summer holiday begins. [The holiday — yes. So all the classes from Aleph to Vav.] Yes. [Before high school — before — through Vav.] And where are the children? [Through bar mitzvah age — through almost — from age nine through twelve.] Good — good — good. Nu. Yes. Children — children — this is new — new. Yes. (Saba laughs.) They also — they are not yet so sunk in desires. Nu. Yes. They can receive. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Nu. Let us sit here… Segment 2 EN: Oy, oy — blessed be Hashem. Oy — blessed be Hashem — blessed be Hashem. (Saba laughs.) And every time… Oy — this is the matter of Rabbainu — this is a very awesome matter. I merited to be with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) for approximately close to five years. This is not a month — this is not a year. And the main thing by him is that one can live seventy years together — for nothing. The main thing is mesiras nefesh — emunah — the will — the suffering that I suffered — that I suffered for the sake of this. This is the main thing — this is the main thing of everything! Yes. Segment 3 EN: And the Gemara — there is a Gemara — there is a verse in Tanach: "Af chochmasi amdah li" — "Even my wisdom stood by me" — like this. There is a verse. And the Gemara speaks about this verse and it — and it explains. And it found — the Gemara — the holy tzaddikim of the Gemara — the Tannaim — the Amoraim. Yes. (Saba laughs.) They found such — what are we? We know nothing. "Af chochmasi amdah li" — what — what? Yes. We believe that there are secrets in the Torah — there are… But we do not know. And the Gemara — it — it illuminates our eyes in Torah — it explains. Do you not know what this interpretation is? "Af chochmasi amdah li" — the Torah that is in anger — that is suffered — and it is the one that rules over you and there are troubles — there is wrath and anger and… (Saba laughs.) The Torah that is in anger — this stood by me! (Saba laughs.) The anger — in anger — "af chochmasi amdah li" — this is not "anger" — [erech apayim — long-suffering] — erech apayim — yes, yes. "Af chochmasi amdah li" — the Torah that is in anger — that one suffers for it. Yes. This — this stands forever — this is "amdah li" — "it stood by me." (Saba laughs.) Through this there is also {a cause} — one merits prayer and one merits to hold one's ground. This is the main thing — Torah in anger — for the sake of mesiras nefesh — that one suffers. And what I suffered — this was — this was on a single — a single occasion — a unique occurrence. Not every time do miracles occur — not every time is there such a matter of Yisroel Ber and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and great ones — a matter {to be told}. (Saba laughs.) Yes. This is not — this is not… This — this is hints. Every matter of holiness — especially of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — there was no bond between us — not for the sake of anything — not for the sake of money. Quite the contrary — I suffered from this! And I thought I would not hold my ground. Yes, yes. I did not want to live — what is this? What kind of life is this? Yes! (Saba laughs.) Segment 4 EN: But when I heard Rebbe Yisroel praying — when I saw from Rebbe Yisroel some word — and I saw some deeds — such deeds as they cannot receive — beyond nature. So… nu — this is certainly good. And blessed be Hashem — we see that this has existence — this was in the days of Rebbe Yisroel — there were some years — time passed — and this passed — and this exists. The time has passed — but this — a matter of mesiras nefesh — this exists — this — this does such things in our hearts. And also it goes and awakens — there is in the air of this world — it comes — it comes to some person and grabs him. Come — what — what — what are you running? What — what — what is there? What is there? (Saba laughs.) Why… yes. What? Yes. This continues. Segment 5 EN: The holy Rabbainu said: "Kol mi sheyesh lo ayzehu hirhuray teshuvah — zeh nimshach mimeni!" — "Whoever has any thought of repentance — this is drawn from me!" So was it with the holy Rabbainu. This… yes. So all the thoughts of teshu… We see now many ba'alay teshuvah. This is a sign also of the redemption. Because every thought of repentance will be drawn from Rabbainu — even those who do not know — even those who do not know from where. This is in a person. Yes. (Saba laughs.) But… And this is the power of Rabbainu — it is in the world. And he — and he does things. And he does not give rest. What? Yes. (Saba laughs.) Oy voy, oy. The world does not know — does not know — does not know. (Saba laughs.) As the holy Rabbainu is already present in the world — and if he is already present in the world — then there is a Master of the house for the world. Only they do not know. So this is in hiddenness. But — but there is — yes — there is already — there is already a Master of the house for the world. There will be — there will come a time when this will be revealed — when… yes. The time of the wedding. For every thing there is an end — the end will come — the time will come — the time of the wedding will come. Yes. Then there will be a wedding! We do not understand at all. Segment 6 EN: We know what… If there had been no machlokes against the Ba'al Shem Tov — the Ba'al Shem Tov was the tzaddik {of the generation} — the holy Rabbainu said about the Ba'al Shem Tov that he was… But the holy Rabbainu — this is a special matter — this is a matter — this is a matter. (Saba laughs.) And the world does not know of this. Also Breslov Chassidim do not… Even Levi Yitzchak (Bender) — the holy Rabbainu said: "Lida'as mimeni — ani sod mikol ha'olam! Rak Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Nassan v'Rebbe Naftali k'tzas!" — "To know of me — I am a secret from all the world! Only Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Nassan and Rebbe Naftali a little!" So there is — one can — one can say on this two — two… One can say two — two simple words — only — only Rebbe Nassan. "Lida'as mimeni rak Rebbe Nassan!" — Rebbe Nassan — he — he knew a little — a little. He knew of Rabbainu. Rebbe Nassan — he knew a little. Yes. So — so there are two… One can interpret like this: "To know of me — it is only Rebbe Nassan. And Naftali…" The holy Rabbainu does not say of Naftali — only Nassan. Naftali a little — Rebbe Nassan knows — and Rebbe Naftali knows a little. One can interpret like this — so says Rabbainu. Only — we say Rebbe N… Only Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Naftali a little. So Rebbe Naftali — Rebbe Nassan knows — and Rebbe Naftali a little. One can say of both: a little — only Nassan and Naftali — Nassan and Naftali a little. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Both a little. And this… And both true. And what Rebbe Nassan knew — no — did not know — did not attain — Rebbe Naftali. Rebbe Naf… Rebbe Nassan was Yehoshua — Moshe and Yehoshua. And this is a special matter. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 7 EN: But Rebbe Naftali — he was also — he was a companion of Rebbe Yis… of Rebbe Nassan. They were — they grew up in Nemirov. They were born in Nemirov. [Also Rebbe Naftali?] Rebbe — Rebbe Naftali — yes. Both — both. And they were friends and were great Torah scholars. They — they were yiray Hashem — servants of Hashem. Rebbe Naftali drew close to Rabbainu first. So Rebbe Nassan felt that he — he was nothing. His greeting to him — {his gratitude} to him — this… He — he was ashamed before him. He was nullified. What is this? So, so he — he knew that he — that he knows of Rabbainu — that he is with Rabbainu. And this is another matter — he felt. Segment 8 EN: And also in Nemirov there was one close to Rabbainu — Rav — Rav Lifl — Rav Lifl. He was also one of the people of Rabbainu. He was… Whoever merited to draw close to Rabbainu — there was an entirely different matter. Like… There is — there are two things in the world: there is the world and there is Rabbainu. This is a special matter. (Saba laughs.) Rav Lifl was — this was a great city — Nemirov. Yes. And there were great Torah scholars — learners in — in the — not — not as today. There were servants of Hashem and learners. But the matter of Rabbainu — this is — this is another matter. (Saba laughs.) The secret of all worlds — this is a special matter. {This is a great thing} to say as the world does — there are tzaddikim and there are chassidim and there are… and there — and there are several kinds… This is not ordinary — this is a matter… There are geonim — but this is an entirely different matter. The holy Rabbainu is an entirely different matter. (Saba laughs.) He saw in the Torah what no one — no one of all the tzaddikim — has seen! He attained in the Torah — in every verse — as the Gemara explains through this verse — and more — and more — the Gemara illumin… the Gemara explains the Torah. We in Torah — we know nothing. We know how — how do we make tzitzis? How to make tzitzis? Only from the Gemara. Yes. "U'kshartam l'os al yadecha" — nu — "Hareini mechavven b'hanaas tefillin l'kayem mitzvas Bor'i shezivannu l'haniach tefillin" — how did He command us? Where did He command us? As it is written: "U'kshartam l'os — u'kshartam l'os al yadecha v'hayu l'totafot bayn aynecha." (Saba laughs.) Nu — we know perhaps — tefillin of gold — or of silver — or of… This — why specifically — specifically these four Torah portions? "Shema Yisroel"… There are — in Torah there are many portions. From where do we know? The Gemara — the tzaddikim! Yes. Segment 9 EN: And one sees that the holy Rabbainu is a special matter. And one sees that the world — even Breslov scholars — they — they think that this is a kind of chassidus. Likutay Halachos — this is — this is not — this one can… If not — if — if — if one is not versed in Gemara — so… in Gemara and the Poskim — yes — so what — what? This is not — this… "Likutay Halachos" is nothing — "Likutay Tfilos" is nothing — "Likutay Moharan" is nothing. These are books of chassidus. But to learn — to be a scholar — this — this is Gemara — Gemara. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Like this the world is. But the holy Rabbainu exists — they know nothing. Likutay Halachos on all four parts of the Shulchan Aruch — he — he — he — he — he illuminates our eyes in all the entire Torah! What there is in Likutay Halachos. And the world pays no attention — even if they study — they don't see. They — they — they are blind. They don't know the worth. They — they don't… They — they do a favor — they study in a book — as they study "Noam Elimelech" and all the books. He studies — he studies Likutay Halachos. Yes. [I have a phone call for a moment.] Segment 10 EN: The matter of the holy Rabbainu — that the Holy One Blessed Be He arranges that there meri… — that there are souls drawing close to Rabbainu. But not all souls… Even in the time of Rabbainu — not all souls. There were all holy tzaddikim. But each one is a world unto himself. And the holy Rabbainu — in his Torah teachings — he illuminated in the heart of each one what he needs — what he needs for his eternal purpose — to know Hashem. Each one has a special matter. {Not like…} And the true guiding tzaddik — he knows — that this needs — that one needs to guide him in such a way. And this… Not every one is equal. Breslov — Breslov — Breslov. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 11 EN: And also Rebbe Nassan was a friend with Rebbe Naftali. And Rebbe Naftali was a wonder-worker. Yes. [He was a prayer leader — yes?] Rebbe Naftali was a wonder-worker. [He was a great prayer leader at…] Rebbe Naftali? Was he a prayer leader? [No — I mean he was a shaliach tzibbur many times — yes? At — in the minyan of Rabbainu — was there —] Rebbe Naftali? [Yes.] I — I don't know. [Ah — I thought.] Perhaps there is — I don't — I don't know. By Rabbainu there were such cantors — such prayer leaders — every one was a great light — such as there is not in the world. Not — not for nothing did the world stand against Breslov. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Segment 12 EN: And also — and also it is impossible to enter the palace of the king like this — with a belly of pride — with… One needs to purify oneself. (Saba laughs.) Do you want Likutay Moharan? For what purpose? If you {want}… Yes. Then there is none — none — none — you do not belong here. Yes. So you belong to Chabad — to Satmar. Yes. Not — not — not Breslov. (Saba laughs.) And I — I do not know how… This is truly… A matter — the matter of Rabbainu — it is beyond nature. I was not in the category — I am not saying this as humility — I was the worst and lowest in the world — in Teveria. (Saba laughs.) Yes. My father was poor and blind — in the uttermost lowliness — in the uttermost depression. And not — not did I see the world… And also in intellect I was not… The effort was for me — there are diamonds — it has such a quality and there is — and there is — and this — this has such beauty — it has such a quality. Yes. And everyone has their special matter. Yes. Oy. And I was the worst. But I had such a point of wisdom — that I merited to see and understand the truth — where the clear and pure truth is and… And I did not look at this world — at greatness and pride and importance and publicity. Quite the contrary — I did not — I had no va… I had no value at all there — only truth! Yes. This was not — so I was wiser than everyone! (Saba laughs.) Segment 13 EN: And also I chose Rabbainu — through the words of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) who was… Why through Rebbe Yisroel? What is Rebbe Yisroel? There are many Rebbe Yisroels. What — what? (Saba laughs.) But Rebbe Yisroel was unique in the world — Breslov! (Saba laughs.) Yes. And I chose Rebbe Yisroel. And I cast aside Rav Motl of Slonim — he was to me as a father. He — he taught me and drew me close and supported me and elevated me. Yes. So I should have continued with — Rav Motl — Rav Motl says: "Breslov — no!" So immediately — so… And this — this is a sign that I — that I am wiser than Rav Motl. Rav Motl was a gaon and scholar and upright and yiras Shamayim and wise. And Yisroel Ber — nothing — like a fly. Yes. This — but this fly had such power that it — that it could stand against the whole world. (Saba laughs.) Yes. What is this? Yes. And all — I saw everyone always speaking of me — of Yisroel Ber — of Breslov. And they themselves were astonished — what is this? When one says "Breslov — no!" once — then it is finished — then it is finished — they did not speak and speak and speak. This is a sign that there was {truth}. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. That they had no rest. Yes. Breslov — Breslov — Breslov. (Saba laughs.) Segment 14 EN: Yes. Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. And this is a matter… What? A person like me — who has no value in the world — no importance — no value — I have no — I have no intellect — I have no talents — I have no… yes. But there was in me something — that I — that I abandoned the whole world — Rav Motl and all the great ones — and all — and all… Even so — what? Who are you? What? What? Are you wiser than Rav Motl? Than Rav Moshe Klirs? What is this? (Saba laughs.) Yes, yes, yes. This — this is Yisroel Ber! (Saba laughs.) And the holy Rabbainu sent Rebbe Yisroel from Meron to Teveria for me. And what came about came about. And also my mother — my mother passed away in the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) on Shabbos — also Shabbos. Why did she deserve such sorrow? And also this was for the good. (Saba laughs.) She passed away — {may she be resurrected} — and through Breslov — for the sake of Breslov. (Saba laughs.) Segment 15 EN: And if there were no resurrection of the dead — if — if she sees (not understood) — then there would have been — Heaven forfend — Rebbe Yisroel — he would have had no — he would have had no place in the world — in Tzfas — in Teveria — everyone in the world would have been — would have been — would have been angry and… What is Breslov? And they killed the mother of Yisroel Ber — he killed — murderer — murderers! (Saba laughs.) The Holy One Blessed Be He arranged that I saw Rebbe Yisroel — and more. Yes — that here was a miracle of resurrection of the dead. Yes. She died as it is written about Sarah — the angel — the… [Yes — He said to her] — He said to her. [Yitzchak…] Do you know? [Yesterday…] Yes. There was a hairsbreadth — Yitzchak — that he should have been slaughtered. But she thought he was already dead — that he had already slaughtered him. Yes. So her soul flew away. (Saba laughs.) Died. "Vayihu chayay Sarah" — "And the life of Sarah was" — after the Akeidah — "Vayehi achar hadevarim ha'aylleh" — it begins "Vayihu chayay Sarah" — this is the passing of Sarah. (Saba laughs.) And she died from the magnitude of sorrow. Yes. Segment 16 EN: Every matter of Rabbainu is a matter of emunah and a matter beyond nature. Every soul that draws close passes through what passes over them — in the spiritual and the physical. But it passes over them. The Ba'al Davar does not permit… The holy Rabbainu said — the holy Rabbainu said: "L'hitkayrev eylai zeh kasheh me'od!" — "To draw close to me — this is very difficult!" (Saba laughs.) What is this? [One of the friends makes the blessing "shehakol nihyeh bidvaro."] Amen. There is a question: why is it difficult? "HaBa l'itahayr mesayin lo" — "One who comes to purify himself is aided." Why — why would it be difficult? I want — why would it be difficult? Why must I suffer? (Saba laughs.) But the holy Rabbainu said: "Ani ohev chassid metuggan!" — "I love a fried Chassid!" (Saba laughs.) [Ho, ho, ho, ho.] Segment 17 EN: This is the matter of Rabbainu — such a wondrous matter as there is not in the world. I? Who am I? What am I? "Talmidi hayakar!" What? (Saba laughs.) There is… And one sees the greatness of the Holy One Blessed Be He — the greatness of the Creator — (not understood) — Moshe Klirs {was} — there were servants of Hashem — servants of Hashem — directors of yeshivos and elderly yiray Hashem — servants of Hashem. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 18 EN: [Did you show the Petek to Rav Alfandari — or did he not know of it?] Ah? [Was the Rav Alfandari before the Petek?] Alfandari? [Was it before the Petek?] It was… [Still before.] It was. [Before — before you knew Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] No. [After that.] After the passing of Rebbe Yisroel. [You came to know Rav Alfandari.] Yes. [So did you tell him?] I did not tell him. [You did not tell him.] I did not tell him. It was — I was then not interested in publicizing it. [You were apprehensive — apprehensive that the world would explode from this.] Yes. [Even — even — even he — even — even though he was a gaon and everything — you were apprehensive that he would not accept this?] Nayn — this was Providence. [Like this it was.] Not — without — without intention — without… [Ah — without intention.] Yes. Not — not did it occur to me to show it to him. [Ah — to show it to him.] Yes. But without intention — without — without reason. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Providence — such was the Providence.] Yes. And it is possible that I made a mistake. If he had seen it — but he also — he is not Breslov. He — he cannot accept it. It is impossible — impossible to feel this. [But he had a great measure of humility?] Yes. [He had a great measure of lowliness.] Yes, yes, yes. But — but even so. [Even so it is…] But I did not — not — I did not speak of this — I did not speak of this and not… yes. But everything I spoke with him was holy of holies — he received and… [About the book —] He had self-nullification — he was nullified before me. He was a gaon and old — and a great old man — and he was a wise man — and he was famous throughout the world. Yes. Alfandari — Alfandari — this is all… [the whole world] — the whole world. Yes. Like Rav Moshe Feinstein — greater than Feinstein. Yes, yes. And he — and he conducted himself with me with awe and respect — with such self-nullification — with such love. Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) He was famous — he was truth — a man of truth. And he felt where there is no truth. He said to me — Rav Shlomo (Wexler) was a zealot — and there was a society of zealots. [Yes, yes.] He said to me that he sees that all of them are politics. Only one — Rav Shlomo — he… And he said to me. Yes. Like this. (Saba laughs.) Segment 19 EN: [When Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld wanted to come to the synagogue in the Old City — Rav Yo…] Sonnenfeld. Nu. He lived — he was living in "Batay Machseh" — [not Rav Sonnenfeld —] — under Rav Shlomo (Wexler) — he was above him. Yes. [Rav Kook — when he wanted to come to Breslov — so the zealots distanced him] — yes. [from Breslov. And also Rav Shlomo.] Also Rav Shlomo. [Also of Rav Shlomo.] But he was in — [but he was not as zealous as all the others — he was less zealous than everyone] — he — he was a zealot — but truly — not in politics. [Not politics.] Segment 20 EN: Rav Kook said: "I am not afraid of everyone. [But you drew close…] Only — only from Rav Shlomo (Wexler)." [Only from Rav Shlomo.] Yes. He said this. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [But you — even though — you did not even look at Rav Shlomo.] But — but one can err. [You did not even look at Rav Shlomo.] One can… [You tried to draw Rav Kook close — despite the fact that Rav Shlomo also…] Yes, yes, yes. I went to Rav Kook even though Rav Shlomo was zealous. I — this — this is a matter… [You tried to draw him close.] Yes. [To Rabbainu.] Yes — certainly! For that purpose — for what else? [Yes — yes — certainly.] I went to him. [And you studied with him Likutay Halachos and Rabbainu's books.] He — he… I saw — I came to him and he honored me for the sake of the name Breslov. Yes. (Saba laughs.) He did not speak with me about the matter of learning — about Gemara and… He didn't… yes. Perhaps I don't know — he did not… yes. But he understood. If I had such power — the power of Torah — if I had — I would speak with him — from Gemara and this — and this. Yes. He — he understood that I am not — not a great Torah scholar. Only "Talmidi hayakar." (Saba laughs.) Segment 21 EN: This is a wonder — such a wonder. And how I held my ground with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) for years — how — how? This is such a power — all the powers of the world do not — do not — do not understand. [We see from Rabbainu that this is a gift — we see from the Petek that Rabbainu took you — "My dear student." And this is a great gift — not to be a scholar — not to be a person of intellect. Better that there should be no intellect — better that there should be truth in the heart — without intellect — without wisdoms. This is seen from the Petek — that this is a great gift — not to be…] But… # Tape 6G, Side Aleph URL: https://ajew.org/reader-plain/saba-tape-transcripts/1/9/ Tape 6G, Side Aleph קסטה 6G — צד א Source: https://ajew.org/reader/saba-tape-transcripts/1/9 Segment 1 EN: He — from Breslov. Aharon Zeitlin — he is from Breslov. (Saba laughs.) Yes. And one sees even now — they — they hold the Rambam in high regard. Yes. And they say that the Rambam compared to Rabbainu is nothing. There was none like — like — like Rabbainu {in the world}. There is none — none — none — none — no such holiness — no such wise man — and no one who speaks such words. (Saba laughs.) Like — like the holy Rabbainu. In his Torah teachings and in his stories they are nullified. Yes. This was not — before seventy years. Yes. And we see this. This is beyond nature. Because they should have distanced — distanced — Rabbainu from their hearts and from their seed and from… They should have imposed a cherem even upon Rabbainu's books. [In truth at the beginning there was a cherem.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [At the beginning there was indeed — but little by little with time the cherem was forgotten — everything was forgotten — and the world arrived at such tohu vovohu — that without Rabbainu there is nothing.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Only the light of Rabbainu is already illuminating in the world — no other light illuminates.] And this — and this — we do not — do not know. We only have emunah. We know nothing. But we… What we see — that they are printing Rabbainu's books and one can read everywhere — in the synagogue and everywhere. And not — there is no prohibition to study Rabbainu's books. This — this is a sign of the redemption! This — this is already… Yes. And I saw with my own eyes now — from this generation. You do not know what was. I — I saw this what. (Saba laughs.) What it was — there was a prohibition to touch the books — Breslov books. How will the redemption come? And how… 'Gamarti v'agmor' — what is 'Gamarti v'agmor'? They don't want to touch Breslov books. (Saba laughs.) And Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) printed with mesiras nefesh — for whom? For whom? Breslov books? There are many books of chassidus — why is Breslov needed? There is — there is "Reishis Chochmah" and there is {"Mishnah Berurah"} and there is… ["Mesillas Yesharim."] And there is — and there is — and there is… What? One can — one can live without — without Breslov books! One can… (Saba laughs.) Nu. And I saw — I saw this. How will the redemption come? And how — how… What will be? The world does not want to touch Breslov books. (Saba laughs.) Nu. And now we see a thing beyond nature — a complete reversal. Today one can — one can understand that a time will come when the whole world — all — all the world will draw close — will draw close to Rabbainu — with such self-nullification — that they will cast everything aside — only Rabbainu! (Saba laughs.) Yes… Segment 2 EN: Whoever he is — whoever he says… The world can think about — about Chabad — about Chabad that it is… Yes. And this is complete falsehood — complete falsehood! Nu. So for this reason — for this reason — such darkness in the world! [Rabbainu already — when he met the Ba'al HaTanya — you told me that the Ba'al HaTanya said about him — after he — after Rabbainu met him] — yes. [So the Ba'al HaTanya said a verse from Tehillim] — yes! [That he explained to Rabbainu — that Rabbainu merited to hear his — his great words. The Ba'al HaTanya spoke for about two hours with Rabbainu — and Rabbainu listened.] Yes, yes. [And the Ba'al HaTanya said to him some verse from Tehillim.] Yes. [What was the verse that he said to him?] Segment 3 EN: Ah — yes. He should have asked Rabbainu to say some — some novelties — some Torah. And he — he said Torah for more than two hours — a long time. [Many hours.] He said the Torah before Rabbainu. [Yes — and at the end of his words he said to him some… did you merit?] At the end — at the end — at the end — at the end of his words — at the end he said… After saying Torah for several hours — at the end he finished: "Rachamecha…" He explained the verse. [In Tehillim?] In Tehillim. "Rachamecha harabim Hashem" — in "Ashray temimay darech" — there is {do not seek} — there is the letter Raish — "Rachamecha rabim Hashem" — "Rachamecha rabim Hashem." [Yes.] There is such a verse: "Rachamecha rabim Hashem." There is further on some… But "Rachamecha rabim Hashem" — "Rachamecha rabim Hashem." [In what — in what — in what Psalm is this?] In the letter Raish — Psalm 1… one-nineteen. [Ah — one-nineteen — in the letter Raish.] In the letter Raish. [Yes, yes.] Segment 4 EN: Yes. "Rachamecha rabim Hashem." "Rachami…" So he — he explained the "Rachamecha rabim Hashem" — "Rachamecha" — the compassion that is upon You — many — very many. "Rachamecha rabim…" [Upon Rabbainu.] Yes. [As if he — Heaven forfend.] For the sake of Rabbainu. [Yes.] Upon the Holy One Blessed Be He. [Yes — that the Holy One Blessed Be He has great compassion upon Rabbainu — that he heard all the…] Dovid HaMelech says: "Rachamecha" — the compassion that is upon You — upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — many — very many. "Rachamecha…" The simple interpretation is: "Rachamecha" — the compassion of the Holy One Blessed Be He is very great. And he explained: the compassion that is upon You — upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — very great. There is great compassion — he says Torah about the holy Rabbainu. This — this is great compassion upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — that there is — that there is such darkness in the world — that he says Torah before Rabbainu. [Rabbainu… "Rachamecha" — he explained there — at the conclusion of his Torah — yes.] He explained: "Rachamecha rabim Hashem" — "Rachamecha" — this is simple — "Rachamecha" — the compassion of Hashem — of the Holy One Blessed Be He — upon us — very great. He — he — he had compa… [Yes — the compassion of the Holy One Blessed Be He.] The Merciful One have mercy upon us. Yes. [Yes.] And he explained: "Rachamecha" — the compassion that is upon You. [The Ba'al HaTanya — the Ba'al HaTanya explained.] The Ba'al HaTanya. [Upon — upon Rabbainu.] Ah — ah? [He said this as if the Holy One Blessed Be He has compassion upon Rabbainu — that the Holy One Blessed Be He has great compassion upon Rabbainu — that he merited to hear all the Torah — he merited to hear so much Torah?] No. [It does not seem to me — he — he hinted…] [Wait — wait — wait.] Segment 5 EN: "Rachamecha" — there is great compassion upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — that there is such a thing in the world — that he says Torah before Rabbainu. [Ah.] The holy Rabbainu — he explained it. He did not — he did not know what he was explaining. "Rachamecha" — the compassion that is upon You — upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — very great. The holy Rabbainu — yes. He — he… There is significance in this — there is significance — that there is great compassion upon the Holy One Blessed Be He — that he says Torah before Rabbainu — because the compassion for You is great. (Saba laughs.) (not understood) Do you still not understand? [I understand.] (Saba laughs.) [But I don't understand how the Ba'al HaTanya was able to say this? What — what did he intend? After all he…] He — he explained like this. And he did not know what he… [What he said.] Yes, yes. And the holy Rabbainu concluded. Yes. [He understood.] Yes — what he said. [He said and did not know what he said.] He did not know. Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) One sees from all the Torah that he said — so the holy Rabbainu said about this — it was — this — this — this good! [This is good.] (Saba laughs.) From all his Torah — "Rachamecha rabim Hashem" — there is great compassion upon You — the one who says Torah before Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) He did not intend this — he — he — he — he did not know. He said and he did not know what he said. The holy Rabbainu explained what he said! (Saba laughs.) He said Torah before Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) He is a gaon. Yes. He does not know what this is — who said — where — where… [But he revealed himself to Rabbainu completely — who he is — what he is — in that he spoke so much before Rabbainu.] There are many explanations of this. But the holy Rabbainu said about this: from all the Torah that he re… he said several hours. [Yes.] So this — this — this is good! [This is good.] Yes. "Rachamecha rabim Hashem." (Saba laughs.) There is great compassion upon You — the one who says Torah before Rabbainu. (Saba laughs.) Segment 6 EN: Nu. But we must announce that Chabad is falsehood! [That Chabad… we must announce that Chabad is falsehood.] [Ah — yes.] [We must know.] And if it is hard? Let it be hard for him! Who finds it hard? Nu… Like this. [Why?] {Mitzvos}. Against the holy Rabbainu — there is some chassidus that has truth in it. So against Rabbainu — everyone must receive from Rabbainu. Satmar and Chabad and… yes. Even {great Admor'im}. Yes. And if they oppose Rabbainu — then they are falsehood! The reverse — the reverse — the reverse. A tzaddik becomes a wicked one. The reverse of truth — this is falsehood! Yes… Segment 7 EN: …that he merited to see the light of Rabbainu — one in the world. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And also even the people of Rabbainu — the people of Rabbainu were — were such holy tzaddikim — that they {were not} close to Rabbainu. And the holy Rabbainu brought out — brought them out from all — {from shore to settled land}. And it was such a wonder. Nu. But Rebbe Nassan was — was… Segment 8 EN: Not for nothing was there such a concealment — such a concealment about Rabbainu and… Yes. But this — had it not been — had it not been for the Gra (of Vilna) who disputed — the Ba'al Shem Tov — the Ba'al Shem Tov — so there would not have been the dispute about — about Rabbainu. There would already have been a matter {of great light}. Rabbainu would already have been revealed in the world. Yes. And what would have been — would have been. And the world fell into such darkness as we see. And the holy Rabbainu announced this. Yes. But all — all — all is ready — ready for the redemption! Yes — that it should be revealed and exalted. (Saba laughs.) Precisely from such a dispute and such a concealment — the honor of Hashem will be more and more. [The longer the time extends — so the redemption becomes more and more beautiful.] Yes. Breslov — Breslov? (Saba laughs.) They will tell all — all that passed upon each and every one. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Many stories — there will be stories from each and every one! (Saba laughs.) There is no lawlessness… Segment 9 EN: Oy voy — oy voy. I received from Rav Shlomo (Wexler) — and I — I received. Yes. And I saw wonders… wonders in the words of Rav Shlomo — that he himself did not — did not — did not know. He — I… Segment 10 EN: Yes — I saw our people — Rav Gedalyah — Rav Gedalyah Berger — our people… Segment 11 EN: He — he — he — all of it. The Petek — it is all entirely a wonder that is impossible to attain. How it lived sixty years without publication — without… And there was no — no — no thought at all that it would be publicized. Yes. And he — and he was in the world for sixty years without any action — nothing. Why? It was possible for it to be now — the Petek was — it was sixty years ago. Why was it so?… (Saba laughs.) Yes. Like this we do not understand. And how it lived — and how a piece of paper lived sixty years? And I did not — did not know as I know today what this is. I only knew that this is a wonder. But I did not know what. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And also today — now also — not — not knowing — not knowing what — what there is in this. Yes. All the words of Rabbainu are beyond nature. The "Sipuray Ma'asiyos" — the Torah teachings — the conversations — and the "Chayay Moharan." (Saba laughs.) And all the words of Rabbainu and Rebbe Nassan — all of it. We must guard every moment that we live — to place all our power and our mind and our heart in the "Likutay Halachos" — "Likutay Aytzos" — and that this should be set in all the limbs — in all the mind — in the heart — in every limb — for the sake of serving Hashem. Not — not… [Not for the sake of…] to be expert for the sake of — for the sake of… [For the sake of the world.] Yes. [For the sake of the Holy One Blessed Be He.] This is a great honor — to be expert in Likutay Moharan. But not for the sake of honor — not b… Only for the sake of… [For the sake of the honor of Hashem.] For the sake of — for the sake of. [The honor of the tzaddik.] To serve the Holy One Blessed Be He with every word. Yes. [For the sake of revealing Rabbainu in the world — to merit to…] How did Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) become what he became? And how did all his people become what they became? All the people of Rabbainu and the people of Rebbe Nassan — who were such holy ones — such men of truth? Yes. And how? If not for Likutay Tfilos and Likutay Moharan and the conversations that we had from Rebbe Nassan — there was not yet in the world Likutay Halachos — nor Likutay Aytzos — nor Chayay Moharan — not yet… Yes. We are fortunate — we have ready "Chayay Moharan" and "Alim LaTerufah." There was not yet — there was — there were letters. But they were with Rav Yitzchak — the son of — of — of Rebbe Nassan. Yes. Written — handwritten. [Not yet printed.] There were none. Yes. Nu. And we already have [all the treasures] — "Alim LaTerufah" and "Chayay Moharan" and "Yemay Moharnat." ["Sefer HaMidos" and "Likutay Aytzos."] And there were still many writings that we did not merit to have. [Yes?] I saw them. Yes. [Where were they?] There were — there were springs! [When? In the time of Shlomo — Rav Shlomo Wexler — or when?] Yes! [Before the Second World War?] Ah? [Before the war.] Yes. This… [With whom were these writings?] Shmuel Horovitz. [Shmuel Horovitz — and today? Where is it today? Still with him?] Today I think… [Writings of whom? Of Rebbe Nassan?] Or with the children — or with… [Writings of — writings of Rebbe Nassan?] Nassan Tzvi Kenig. [Ah.] He was a student of his. [The writings — the writings — they were from Rebbe Nassan? About what?] They were from Rebbe Nassan. And there was what was lost. [Until now.] I had Likutay Tfilos in the handwriting of — of Rebbe Nassan. [Handwriting of Rebbe Nassan?] Yes — yes. And also I had from Rebbe Naftali — Chayay Moharan as written by Rebbe Naftali — awesome secrets — yes — that were not revealed in the world. And if they were to be found now — they would be printing them… Good — what — what we have! (Saba laughs.) But we must guard our time very much. Every moment is precious — not to lose — not a single moment should be lost. Only always to be immersed — mind and heart — in the words. Because we need them like breathing. Every word. [Rabbainu said: "It is very hard to draw close to me."] Yes. [This is a great battle. The Ba'al Davar comes with all his powers. Only not to err — only not to do…] But we must pray greatly — more — [more and more] — more and more. More mesiras nefesh. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And to flee to the Holy One Blessed Be He and to pray with tears — with all the heart — with all the strength: "Rachem alay — Rachem alay!" There is — there is Likutay Tfilos like that. Oy — what will become of me? Why am I — are we so distant? And also we did not guard our time — we do not keep Torah — we do not keep as — for what reason — this is the main reason we are distant from Rabbainu. For the reason that we do not hold in esteem — we do not set within our hearts all the words of Likutay Moharan and Likutay Halachos and all… Yes. If — if {we had been studying} — we would have been holy tzaddikim and we would have studied much Gemara — {no — no} — we would have understood the Gemara illuminating within us — what, what, what there is in it. Not as it is now — that they know nothing — they don't know Gemara — they don't know… They think they are geonim and not… And they say Heaven forfend about Breslov that it is… Yes. (Saba laughs.) Nu, nu — the time will come… Blessed be Hashem that we are sitting in this world and speaking such words — that the whole world is completely distant from this. But the time will come when the whole world will know of this. Yes. And they will look and speak of it. Yes. Even the yeshivos — only to study Rabbainu's books — there will be many yeshivos. Yes. (Saba laughs.) They will learn… Not for the sake of — not for the sake of honor. Only for the sake of Hashem — the honor of Hashem. "Who is this King of glory?" (Saba laughs.) [Can it be — can it be — that Rabbainu will succeed in doing this even before Mashiach Tzidkaynu comes — that they will study and there will be yeshivos that will only study Rabbainu's books? Or only after… Rabbainu said: that his light will be hidden until — the Shpoyler Zeideh hid the light of Rabbainu — until the coming of Mashiach Tzidkaynu. So yeshivos of this type will be only after — only after the coming of…] We do not need — [now in our time] — we do not need to delve and investigate and… [yes — yes] — what there is. [What there is.] What there is — is enough. [This is enough — this…] There is Likutay Moharan — blessed be Hashem — fortunate are we. There is Likutay Tfilos — fortunate are we. (Saba laughs.) There is Sichot HaRan and there is Likutay Aytzos — fortunate are we. Everything — fortunate are we! Blessed be Hashem in general. According to our deeds — this is also a miracle — great miracles. [Miracles that we can do.] What we have — what we have in this. Segment 12 EN: This — for the world — it is a matter of laughter. Yes. And also the Petek — there are — there are — there are in Breslov those who say that this is idolatry — that this is… I — I don't want to say. But they say like this. Do you know of this? [Yes — yes.] (Saba laughs.) Yes. And this is a miracle of… that the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged that Feinstein gave a recommendation. If not for this — they would have — would have placed us in cherem. Yes. But like this — they — they — they are angry and they say what they say. But not — but not in such a way as to destroy. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Because this is not acceptable to the mind. "Nachman MeUman" — he from Uman comes to Teveria — to a yeshiva — to an ark — to a book. And I opened the book — it was there. And they told me beforehand: "Go in — do like this — take out a book and open it — and there you will find — you will find a remedy for your soul." And it was — I immediately saw the — I opened the book — saw the — but the paper — it did not — did not occur to me that it was something — a paper — a piece of paper — what? (Saba laughs.) Yes. And from this paper — what came about came about. (Saba laughs.) It lived sixty years without publication — without — without action — without anything. (Saba laughs.) [But one sees that in the last three years] — always — always. [It is becoming publicized everywhere.] This is a wonder. [In New York — in the United States — in newspapers — on radio — on television.] Little by little. [Everyone — two million people saw the Petek on television.] Yes. [This is a program that the masses see it.] And no one opposed it. [They did not oppose it — they did not laugh.] There is a government and there are members of Knesset. [On the contrary — Eliezer Shoshtak.] There are journalists. [On the contrary — a minister — a minister — a member — one of the members of Knesset — Eliezer Shoshtak — further wanted a photograph of the Petek — received a photograph.] Yes. [People asked for amulets.] Yes. [With the name "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — they received it with honor.] Yes. [Not only did they not treat it lightly.] But we see that this is a miracle — how do they not laugh in the Knesset about the Petek? (Saba laughs.) Yes — no? [They do not laugh.] No — they did not speak of it — they received it and spoke of it — and not — and did not speak. (Saba laughs.) There are journalists and there is a government and there are members of Knesset. [Yes — they could have done this on radio — in the press.] Nothing — nothing — nothing. Radio — no. No one opened their mouth to speak about… [On the contrary — even with honor.] Yes. [When we were on the radio — on the contrary — with honor.] (Saba laughs.) [So perhaps may it be the will that… these are great signs that the people of Yisroel are beginning to draw close to the drawing force — yes? To Rabbainu?] One does not need… If one sees the Petek in a photograph — the photograph. [Yes.] One sees that this is not — that this is not — not simple. One feels that this is not simple. Yes. (Saba laughs.) How it was created — and how it exists in the world — and how?… It was in great dangers like these. It was in Poland. And they — the Poles — a thing that did not appear right to them — they would tear it apart. And there are those who write to me: "Do not be a fool — you are desecrating Hashem's name — you — you make from a piece of paper you make… How in these generations can there be a miracle — such miracles? In these generations? In this darkness?" [But one sees the compassion of the Holy One Blessed Be He] — yes. [That He gave you the insight to send it before the World War] — yes. [The Petek to Poland] — yes. [Perhaps — perhaps it would have saved them from the decree — this — this — this could have been?] They asked me. [No — if the matter had been accepted — perhaps it could have nullified terrible decrees over the people of Yisroel.] Nu — but — but no… [They did not accept? They did not accept.] Blessed be Hashem — we must thank Hashem that they returned it. [They returned it — they sent it back.] And I received it back from the post. [This also — this also shows that they accepted it — that not — that not…] That they accepted? [That they accepted it.] Yes. If not — they would — they would have torn it apart. Yes. They were men of truth. So… Yes. (Saba laughs.) And now I — I feel — I see that I did — that I did such a mistake. How — how did I send this by post to Poland? [So this is the compassion of the Holy One Blessed Be He — He took away your mind — this is compassion — perhaps — perhaps they will accept — perhaps they will do — perhaps the redemption will come through this — perhaps they will begin to accept — perhaps — six million Jews.] If they had accepted like me — like me? [Perhaps everything would have been nullified — the entire decree.] Who knows — who — who knows — who knows? Segment 13 EN: [This is the compassion of the Holy One Blessed Be He — a remedy preceding the blow — He prepared the remedy before the blow — a decree of six million Jews — before the Second World War — this Petek.] Oy! [If they had accepted it.] Oy. [Perhaps it would not have been — perhaps it would not have been six million — if they had accepted it as you did.] But… [But this is the Holy One Blessed Be He — great compassion.] But this was a miracle that I received it back — that it exists alive — it exists in the world. (Saba laughs.) And then there was not even — even — even a photograph — there was none. No photograph at all — as if it did not exist in the world. Yes. Now even if — Heaven forfend — if — if — if the original — if it — if it does not survive — if it… [Heaven forfend.] So there are photographs. In any case there is a photograph as — as — as the original. The photograph is like the original. (Saba laughs.) But then there was no photograph — nothing. If not — if I had not received it back — it would not have been — as if it had never existed at all in the world. Yes. But now the world already knows that there is — that there is a letter — that there is such a thing. Yes. And there is a photograph and there is… They speak of it. (Saba laughs.) Segment 14 EN: Oy — fortunate are we — fortunate are we — {oy — fortunate are we truly}. I traveled to Yerushalayim — I was in Teveria. I — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) passed away and I remained alone — one — one in the city — one. (Saba laughs.) And I… [One in the world.] One. And I laughed at everyone. I danced in my home — and always — always in my home it was like a wedding — joy — nigunim and dancing — even on weekdays. On Shabbos — this was… yes. And this was a power. And this was a wonder — a wondrous thing from Rabbainu. [A simple song — double — triple — quadruple.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) And also everything that I did was a sanctification of Hashem. I traveled to Yerushalayim — and the whole city of Teveria — this is not Yerushalayim — Teveria is a small city — everyone knows. Yisroel Ber — they had not heard — we had not heard the Zemirot of Shabbos. It seems he went to Yerushalayim. And when I came: "Ho — Yisroel Ber — he went to Yerushalayim — he brought new nigunim and he… (Saba laughs.)" And so on and so forth. I brought to Teveria — Baruch — the… this. Yes. [Yes — who had the illness of forgetting.] Yes. And there was — the whole city was: "Yisroel Ber brought to Teveria a guest — at — at his own expense…" Yes. (Saba laughs.) This is not Yerushalayim — this is a small city — everyone knew everything that passed. Yes. (Saba laughs.) And they were astonished — how can the wife — how can the wife have nothing — not a piece of bread — and he… And I went to Yerushalayim and instead of money I brought a guest. (Saba laughs.) [Another guest.] Yes. This is not a matter of ordinary behavior — this was a sanctification of Hashem. Yes. This was a sanctification of Hashem. Everything was a sanctification of Hashem. I danced — I rejoiced — there was… And I was in joy — sanctification of Hashem… Segment 15 EN: Put on tefillin. I — I put on tefillin. Not — not for le… Yes. But this — it was in any case holy — of itself. (not understood) Yes. I was on Purim. On Purim they — they — they — they were all together. They were all opponents — and they mocked me — in particular on Purim — a time — a time of laughter — a time. Yes. (Saba laughs.) I was there and wanted to drink. So — but it was already finished — the wine was finished. Yes — there was none — there was none. So I said to them: "There is no wine? Take money." I had — this was Purim — it was on a — on Thursday. And on Friday one needs to buy for Shabbos. Yes. And I had a half-lira in my pocket — in my pocket I had a half-lira. So for Shabbos — so I took out the half-lira and said… and gave them: "Bring wine!" (Saba laughs.) Yes. And there was laughter. But they did not… Segment 16 EN: And they did not buy — they did not buy wine. They knew I was poor — what? Yes. They did not buy wine. And in the morning they returned to me my half-lira. Do you remember? (Saba laughs.) [Ah — did they give you wine or not give you wine?] I had a paper — a half-lira note. [Yes — but did they give you to drink?] Ah. [Or did they not give you to drink?] They did not give me. [They did not give.] But I was already drunk. [So you were already drunk.] Yes. They think that he does not know what he is saying — what he is doing. Yes. (Saba laughs.) So in the morning — in the morning. [They returned the money.] They returned to me — take the half-lira — do you remember that you gave me a half-lira for wine? (Saba laughs.) Yes — yes. They were mocking. But as the holy Rabbainu says: "My matter is in disgrace — but in great honor." Yes — like this. They mocked. But this is great honor. They saw that I take a half-lira that I had set aside for Shabbos — and I give it for — for wine for Purim. (Saba laughs.) Yes. This — this was a wonder for them — who does such a thing? A poor man who has a half-lira — his entire pocket is a half-lira for Shabbos — and he gives it for wine. (Saba laughs.) Segment 17 EN: This is already many years — and I remember it as now — as now — how I took out from the pocket — from the pocket the half-lira and gave it to them wholeheartedly. Yes. "Go — bring wine!" (Saba laughs.) Segment 18 EN: Master of the Universe — may Hashem have mercy upon us. The Ba'al Davar wants to bring us down always. [All the time.] And to make forget — and to make everything forgotten. Who are you? What are you? What are you speaking? What — what — what? Yes. (Saba laughs.) So he wants that — that such words should not remain in the world. Yes. For him — for the Ba'al Davar — this is a deadly poison. He is not at peace with it. He… yes. But blessed be Hashem — the Holy One Blessed Be He: "Gamarti v'agmor" — so we are sitting now. [You were speaking about Purim — I recalled Purim in Los Angeles — what miracles and wonders we had on Purim.] Yes — yes — yes. [How the Holy One Blessed Be He arranged for us an apartment with food on Purim — and the reading of the Megillah.] Yes — yes — yes — yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) [All of it — and the journey.] And the journey — the journey! [Journey — to travel.] {And money.} (Saba laughs.) [Yes — there and back — and all — all.] Oy voy — this also will be a story… [The Weber family — five months — a fine hotel — the Weber family.] Yes — yes — yes. [Five months — a fine hotel — all of it. They took us to Feinstein. He took us in his car to Feinstein.] Yes — yes — yes. [All of it — all of it was the service of Rabbainu — miracles and wonders.] And also — and also I had sorrow — for what purpose did I travel to America? Nothing. No dollars — no printing — nothing. What — what? But this — this (Saba laughs) — this — this is the Petek — this… [This is one of the… this helps.] This is the Petek. Yes. But he came to Feinstein and gave a recommendation — and this is a great matter — a great matter. This is 'gamarti v'agmor.' Yoy. Good. Yes. They say what they say. But not with such noise and insistence. Yes — weakly. He already… How — how can it be — how can it be (not understood) Feinstein. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Without this we would not have existed — they stood against us with every kind of scheme — every kind of scheme. Yes. To destroy us — to erase us. What is this Petek? What is this?… Yoy. [No — Rabbainu has Feinstein.] (Saba laughs.) [He brought Feinstein into the world for the purpose of bringing a recommendation for the Petek — eighty years he studied Gemara.] In any case he cries out — but who listens to him? Feinstein! [Yes — this is Feinstein — what — you don't…] What? Levi Yitzchak (Bender) — he is Feinstein? Feinstein. (Saba laughs.) [All the wise men of the generation — there is — there is Feinstein — he is wiser than you.] Yes. (not understood) [What? The posek of the generation established that the Petek is —] a miracle. [Yes.] It was a miracle — the whole Petek was a miracle. How — how it was created — how — how — how it… [There are two.] Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Like the Petek — like the Petek descended from the heavens — from New York — there is a Petek from Uman — there is a Petek from New York — there is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — and Feinstein from New York.] (Saba laughs.) They say — they say that we travel every time to America for the petek'os — for publicizing — for… Yes. (not understood) (Saba laughs.) Oy. [Fortunate are we.] Segment 19 EN: We travel to America for money — because not everyone travels to America like this — only for dollars. Yes. [Yes — to the country of wealth.] All — everyone — all — all the students of — of… [Yes — of all the yeshivos.] Of Levi Yitzchak (Bender). Yes. Why do they travel to America? To publicize the Name of Hashem? For a livelihood! This needs a hachnasas kallah — and this needs… yes. There is — there is there. Yes. For this reason they think that we also are like this — we need money. [Money — money.] (Saba laughs.) There are such Breslovers of Levi Yitzchak (Bender) — and there are Breslovers {like this} — but it is all money. (Saba laughs.) [There is the Petek — this is the matter. Nine months — not to collect even one dollar? One?] (Saba laughs.) [Only Torah and prayer all the time — is it impossible to learn here?] These prayers of yours — make lists — make great prayers. We do not… Truly. Yes. (Saba laughs.) You did not know what — what you were doing. The Holy One Blessed Be He — He knew what this is. (Saba laughs.) [He is the King of glory.] To say many prayers in America? ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — under the mikveh.] Yes. And what — how did we travel to America? Where? How did we travel? Where does one get money to travel to America? Four souls — Meir — Aharon — you — and I. [Ah — on the most recent trip now.] Yes — on the most recent trip. And also the first trip — Morris and you and… [Yes — where did the money come from? It comes from nothing also.] What — America? To travel to America one needs a lot of money — what is this? Especially two — three. [Good — now…] And also one needs to eat — three people need to eat. (Saba laughs.) [To eat — apartment — place to sleep.] Apartment. Yes. Where — where? What is this? (Saba laughs.) All of this will be — will be the stories — the stories they will tell — they will tell at the coming of Mashiach. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Now we are going to establish the most beautiful factory — engineer — we are paying a lot.] Yes — now we will do more. [More and more — and more.] Such an engineer? [This is the best engineer in the country.] (Saba laughs.) Nu. And Hashem… That we should merit — if only we should merit to see the printing press and the building and everything. [With Hashem's help — with Hashem's help.] Blessed be Hashem — we have already prepared. The association has a license — whoever — all donors — all generous ones who donate… [Yes — you have a tax exemption — yes.] So — so — so whoever half… [Yes — tax exemption.] Income tax exemption — this too is a great thing. How are we — how — we are not Americans. [Yes — yes.] But there are also Americans. (Saba laughs.) [We have — Rabbainu has representatives in America — Leibel.] (Saba laughs.) [Leibel — Aryeh.] Yes. [We have Aryeh in America.] Yes — yes. [Who cries out "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" with a great voice and dances beautiful dances.] (Saba laughs.) [Indian dances.] Segment 20 EN: And this can be that there will be millio… many — many generous donors — many — many — many wealthy ones who will give — who will give for this. Yes. And the wedding — slowly — slowly. This is not… Suddenly a wedding is made? [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) Nu — where… Segment 21 EN: I can — Heaven forfend — fall — fall — to err regarding the state of my health. And I cannot — I — when I walk from here to the toilet — [it is hard] — this — this is a miracle that I do not fall. No one knows. They think I walk slowly — slowly. But I — I — I am afraid to walk lest I fall. If — Heaven forfend — you know what it means — a fall? [Yes.] Your father. [Ho — ho.] That the Holy One Blessed Be He save me. Yes. I am afraid that I should not fall. [But his fall was for the purpose of a great ascent. If he had not fallen — he would not have risen.] (Saba laughs.) [This is a fall that elevated him to Rabbainu — brought him to Rabbainu.] Yes — yes — yes — certainly. Yes. He saw with his mind — with his heart. And he received Shema Yisroel. Yes. [With the tefillin of Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] And the holy Rabbainu. Yes. So and he… [Blessed be Hashem — this is a miracle from Rabbainu.] Oy — oy voy — oy — oy — oy — oy. [The friend sings "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman…"] (Saba laughs.) This was the first time in America. (Saba laughs.) [The grandson of Yaakov Kaminsky — this is the grandson of one of the great ones of the Lithuanian generation.] Yes. [Suddenly his mind was turned around — he needs to make a song about the Petek — for the radio — so they would know.] (Saba laughs.) [There is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman" — this is a segulah.] (Saba laughs.) Segment 22 EN: The Petek. There is a Petek — this is in America. This… (Saba laughs.) The recommendation of Feinstein. How — how — how did he have money for Feinstein — one needs to travel and return and… How? Yes. (Saba laughs.) Segment 23 EN: [From here it is finished — now one can speak afresh. This will not be — what I am now recording — it is as if it comes over this and erases everything. Now this is new — what…] But there is none — not — not — there will not be {openly}. [No — no — secrets — secrets about the redemption are not revealed. This is part — there are things that you…] The world does not need to know. (Saba laughs.)