Tape 15, Side B

...[Saba and the friends sing: “Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meuman”] (not understood) [Not understood] There are small children who need to sleep; what is this “Na Nach”? [Yes, the whole building] Yes [The whole building will come] Will come? [Will come, yes] And how do you know? “The whole building” [Tziyon told me; they all knocked on the doors, on the walls: “What is this? We need to sleep!”] Good night.. [Rebbe Yisroel, the woman wants to make a pidyon for a match; there is a woman here] {…} [She wants to make a pidyon] Ho, Master of the Universe, Master of the Universe… ...He has no claims at all; he wants through theft, to rob, only to bring him money, yes But he will pay, yes The main thing, the main thing is that he is delaying the redemption—tell him That he is delaying it; this could have made thousands of baalei teshuvah through the books (not understood), at home (not understood), he had it through theft, so that he could learn [But Saba, sometimes there is a mitzvah to redeem] Eh? [Pidyon shvuyim—there is a mitzvah of redeeming captives, even if a non-Jew wants a lot of money..] {…} [It is necessary to redeem; your book is like a captive woman—pidyon shvuyim] Nu [I think it is worthwhile to redeem the book] But.. [You do not need to; I can seek the money from someone else] It is not one who will bring, (not understood) Perhaps he needs to put fear upon him, that he will suffer in this world and in the World to Come; he and his sons—he will suffer from this [He already suffers; he already suffers a great deal] Eh? [He told me that he suffers a great deal] What? [He suffers..] Koenig? [He has already changed; his whole face has changed] {He will suffer}

[He had an accident; his child had an accident] Eh? [His child had an accident] Nu [And his daughter had an illness, and he persists] He persists [He does not want to understand] Yes, he is wicked [Stubborn] (not understood) He will suffer, he will suffer because of this, over this—the books He will suffer because of this; he is nothing […………………………..……not understood………………….………] [………………………..………not understood.…………………………] [Saba, what about yesterday’s fifty shekels; do you want me to put them in the bank as well?] What money? [You gave me fifty shekels to keep, yesterday] When? [Yesterday] Yesterday? [Yes, do you want me to deposit them in the bank as well?] Yes [Good, everything together] Yes, yes [Then I am going now] (not understood) [The time? Eight-thirty] (not understood) [Yes] (not understood) […………………………..……not understood………………….………] [………………………..………not understood.…………………………]… ...[…..]… ...{Head of the Children of Yisroel} He does not know what this is, yes; he is a non-Jew [A non-Jew] He does not believe {in the Torah} (not understood) Yes, but {he knew of the mitzvah} [{He has ………… strengthening}] [Shamir, Shamir needs a great deal of strengthening; he is afraid of the Americans; Shamir is..]… …Nu, what? You have no time? We need {prayers}, so it is impossible now, that this.. we have no time for this (not understood) A year, and another year, and another year, {wait}… …Then, then [..] Everyone will have, yes [A great downfall] {Oy…} what will be at the coming of Mashiach What wonders And everyone will be frightened; everyone will fall and be nullified, they will be ashamed {. . .} They are ashamed now as well They, they calculate that Yisroel is above, over all, over all, over the entire world

“What will be from America?” [..] […... Rosh Hashanah] [In America their animal is a great eagle; it is an eagle] [………..] [It is a sign, the symbol of the state—an eagle, ….. the great eagle, Saba..]… ...{…...} [……….] Wait, just wait {…..you will see….} the greatness of Hashem [There is no strength to wait] (not understood) {Yisroel} over the entire world Vanity, vanity, vanity and emptiness; they are nothing, they have nothing Only Eretz Yisroel, Yisroel and the Torah, and Eretz Yisroel, Eretz Yisroel [……..] There is an entry, there is an entry in Sefer HaMidos [Yes] “Eretz Yisroel,” yes [Yes] Yes, there is an {entry} [Yes] “Eretz Yisroel” Have you prayed Mincha? [Not yet] We need, we need to hurry [Yes] So that the time does not pass [Yes, we will go down] [All good] All good [Gut yohr] Gut yohr He wrote to father and to grandfather [Yes] I (not understood) him, and this was a year ago [….] (not understood) And the room was, was already entirely water; the room (not understood), great danger, yes And blessed be Hashem, he is alive; he, he.. [.…] He came out of the room alive It was dark and.. and entirely wet, entirely water [] And I was afraid he would die (not understood) from this room.. [You saved him] He had no choice; then only, only this room was—through great miracles. Ask grandfather; he will tell you what happened, where they were... ..{Then it was} in Katamon, also through great miracles {Yes, it was up to here, they entered here} [All the Arabs] And took every Jew, all the Jews, into captivity, {..} [Saba was in captivity] Horowitz, Horowitz [Yo, yo] Yes What was his name? [Shmuel, Shmuel] Shmuel Horowitz, and all.. And all who lived in the Old City, and they all went to..

[Into captivity] (not understood) And there were {Arabs}; it was here for twenty years, and there was not one Jew throughout the twenty years […...….] […...….] And now, then the whole world and the UN—all of them […] Gave to Yisroel, Eretz Yisroel to Yisroel. They cannot do anything now. When they speak, we tell them: This is our land; it is an inheritance from our fathers, from our fathers. This, this is our state; the house in our Temple is ours; Yerushalayim is ours. Nu, what do you want? They are afraid that we will be above and they will already be in the grave, in the grave, yes They are afraid, yes But nothing will help them Our state—everyone can do in his own state what he wants Go away from here; are you the master here? Shamir told them: Go away from here. Do you have claims? Here, there is the UN; there is a letter from the UN that it is ours. What? That this is our state; everyone can govern the state as he wants You are not our master [“The eyes of Hashem your God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year until the end of the year”] They, they, they study Tanach; they know this [Because of this they are afraid] But they do not believe They do not believe, and they hate Yisroel because of this “What is this? The Jews are, they are at the head? And we will be his servants, his slaves? His soldiers?” So they are afraid of this So they want to have control here; there will be Arabs here An Arab state as well, not only Yisroel But it will not help them; we tell them: No, no, no, no This is our state, not the Arabs’ Nu, nu, Mincha, Mincha, Mincha “A person should always be careful with the Mincha prayer” {Then it needs to be……..} [We will meet, we will meet at the Mincha prayer]…

...{…...} that he wants to print, and I had no money But blessed be Hashem, now I have money, blessed be Hashem […..] Yes, to begin and to finish [It is already possible to print many books, to distribute them throughout the entire world Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner gave his life] Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner gave his life to print the books] Yes, he gave his life and the life of his.. household, his family […...] And all that was his, yes, to print, to print If he sold a book, it was a miracle, because who bought Breslov books then? It was a miracle There was one Sephardic man; he was, was, was a cobbler, and he bought a book from Rebbe Yisroel, one book It seemed to him, so he, he, he, he gave him all the honor in the world Such a book? He had not, not seen This cobbler was like the Simple Man, yes [Joy with three tips] {He, and he said} his.. his shoe had three tips, yes And he praised it greatly, and he.. [“A beautiful shoe,” “a beautiful shoe”] And he gave Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner all the honor in the world And also gave him money; he supports him, he supported him, yes Who? The Rav, Rav Klirs—he gave him as well [Yo?] Yes The family—he wrote to the family that they should come after I drew close Then he could not go to Tzfas because, I, I was in Tiberias And I was a bridegroom in Tzfas, so the whole world would say, all the opponents would say I went {to the army} So he wrote to his wife that she should come to Tiberias; he could not come to Tzfas And immediately she.. when she received the letter, she went to the donkey owner, because she wanted to travel.. [to Tiberias] To travel to Tiberias, and she did not have even one penny {For all the children} to Tiberias, to pay for the donkey

No, he—the donkey owner—came to Tzfas, and she told him he has no money at all So he said to him: “What? The donkey needs to eat, and I need to eat.. “This is not.. bring money, bring money” So he did not have any; he took all the {belongings}... ...{Bring me the..} everything, he took everything “When you bring money, I will return it to you; bring money! The donkey worked all day and needs to eat, and I also, I need to eat And the family also needs to eat—money, bring money!” [What happened in the end?] In the end there was.. [Did he take her?] There was in Tiberias a couple, a couple famous throughout the whole world When night came, there were such quarrels and shouts, (not understood) What was the dispute? Everything he said, she, she [The opposite] Said the opposite; everything he said she did not want: “No, no, the opposite” I, th.. his name was Moshe, Moshe, Moshe, Moshe of Bobrik There is in Russia {…}, there is a city named Bobrik There he—his name was Moshe [Moshe] And his wife’s name was Rachel I went to him and told him: “Know that Rebbe Yisroel’s wife, with the small children, they need a place to sleep Perhaps you and your wife will go to the sons and..” He had a large house like the Simple Man; he had a large house “You will give the house to Rebbe Yisroel, to Rebbe Yisroel’s wife” He told me: “You do not know—who does not know this? Everything I say..” [The opposite] Yes So he told me: “I will not speak at all. You go and speak with her, yes And say that I do not know what to do” I came and explained to her and told her: “Small children are in the street; they have no place to sleep or eat, there is none They are small children, five small children”

Then she was afraid; she said: “Yes, yes” If her husband had told her so, so Then says.. she does, says: “No, no, no, no, under no circumstances in the world {nisht}n” But because I went, I succeeded And she agreed [She went] She went to.. to the sons; she gave the large house It was large like the {cookhouse ……} And that night they had a large house and a large bed for the children, and there was great joy [Who paid for the donkey?] For the donkey: In the morning we went, and Rebbe Yisroel said: “Come with me, come with me” He went to Rav Moshe Klirs; he was a great opponent [Yes] He told him: “My wife and the sons came for.. for.. for the Pesach festival And I, I have no house, apartment; I have no money, I have no… ...For the donkey” I was—I went together with him; I was with him Then Rav Moshe told him: “Go look for an apartment; first of all, an apartment, because they have nowhere to be, where..” He went and succeeded and found a good and spacious apartment, and large, yes And he told him, and he told him: “I found, found an apartment, but money” “Money? How much money?” He told him: “Such and such shekels, such and such shekels” He opened the.. [Drawer] The drawer, and gave him the money, (not understood) So it was, so it was—my {enthusiasm\drawing close} The greatest opponent, the Rav of all the opponents [He gave the money] He gave the money for the donkey and for {everything} [He has a great merit] […….] And there is much to tell about this Rav, there is much to tell, yes He was a child, and he would sit; and his father buried the dead, buried the dead {Rav Meir, Meir}, (not understood), yes

And he and Rabbainu’s men, men, men of Rabbainu were in Eretz Yisroel and arose at midnight And he was a child, and he learned But our people: “Ho, he is a Torah scholar”; they honored him greatly But he had, he had a “great head,” and he became a Rav And became a Rav, and became Slonim, yes, yes, became a Slonim Chassid So ah.. if not.. if, if he had held with Breslov There would have been no bank, and all his greatness, yes And he became a Slonim Chassid, yes [Was he an opponent?] He was an opponent, yes; he was a great opponent But only outwardly. In his heart, {in his heart}: “Breslov is a great thing” Because he remembered his arising at midnight, and th.. yes But he did not reveal what was in his heart; what—he did not reveal But.. {this is not life}, Rebbe Yisroel knew from this that he held Breslov in esteem He went to him, {to Moshe}, and told him that the children were at Moshe Bobriker’s And he had miracles He said: “You.. I cannot speak; if I speak, then it will be the opposite So you speak, and then it is possible, possible” I went to Rachel, to Rachel {Bobriker}, and told her: “The children came, came, and they have nothing; they are in the street, and.. So.. so I ask that you and Rebbe Moshe go to the children, and th.. and.. and the house..” [For Rebbe Yisroel] There was a large house, and I told them: “With five small children, they need a large house” Yes, in any case, at night they had, had, had a place to sleep, and.. yes And in the morning he took me; he went to Rav Moshe Klirs and told him: “M.. my wife and the sons came for the Pesach festival..” This was one day, two days before the Pesach festival “They came, and I have no apartment, and {he has} no money” Then, then he told him:

“Go look for an apartment. Look for an apartment, and come and tell me how much it costs” Yes, so it was He, he came and told him: “That it costs..” yes “This apartment is very good, but only the money” “How much money?” Nu, he opened the drawer and gave him all the money Th.. the greatest opponent Yes, I already had an apartment for Rebbe Yisroel and his wife and the children I already had an apartment and k.., and money; the donkey already had something to eat The donkey owner shouted: “What is this? I have never heard such a thing” He said: “I came now; food needs to be bought What is this? Why did you not tell me th.. why did you travel? If there is no money, one does not travel!” […….] […….] But I knew nothing. In the morning, after the prayer, he went with me to the Rav And I thought he would throw him out of the house “What..?” [An opponent] “Why..? Why did you not remain in Tzfas?” Nu, he was, he could have told him “I, I cannot leave Rebbe Yisroel {Ber}, alone in Tiberias [Moshe] He knew of this; he understood it He was a learned man; he, he understood it, yes It is impossible for me to travel to Tzfas, so he told him {come here} And she—he told him, he—then he told him that he had only sent a letter that she should come He only wrote: “If there will be, if you will have money, come with the children for the Pesach festival” He told him that he wrote to her that she should come And she came, and he came, came to him with a claim: “She came {…}, and.. and I have no apartment, and I have no..” He did not, did not ask him whether she should come or not; he had already come, yes So in the morning he went and found a very beautiful apartment It is a pity that Tiberias is not.. not like [Once] Then, Tiberias had already become {Paris}, {New York}

[New York, ……..] “Go and see an apartment, and tell me.. come and tell me how much money” He went and succeeded and found a beautiful and good, large apartment, yes But the landlord, he wants two months in advance, two months [In advance] Good, so he opened the drawer and gave him all the money that he.. that he needed He already had money for the donkeys to eat And he also had an apartment, a large apartment [And matzos] Eh? [Matzos—did he buy matzos afterwards?] Matzos? [Pesach] {Yo, yo}, it was several days before the Pesach festival [..] {What can be done.., no}, he has no matzos; what does one do? I learned in a yeshiva, and I knew a merchant who needed a livelihood He, he, he makes a binding for grinding, and he has—he ground, and he had flour, kosher flour, yes So he arose: “Yes, for Rebbe Yisroel I will give you” So Rebbe Yisroel told him: “Good, give me, but I have no money now” “Am I afraid of you?” He gave him as much as he wanted, {“I have no money”} From there I went to someone who had an oven I—and he knows Rebbe Yisroel, that he gives good money; he pays well He, he saw Rebbe Yisroel, and he was very happy Because he knew that he, there would be.. […] {He would have a greater profit}, yes “I need to bake matzos” “Good, I will give you” “But money? I have none now; afterwards I will give you” Rebbe Yisroel “Am I afraid of you? You, you are trustworthy to me; I will do it without money.” So and so it was, yes After the Pesach festival, the Holy One Blessed Be He prepared for him a man from Yavne’el. Yavne’el—there was an old man there, a man who loved Breslov. Then Rebbe Yisroel told him he needed a warm garment, and he needed money {…..}; go, and they received a warm garment

And he also gave him food So, he had chickens; he took a large and very healthy chicken and made soup for, for him and for me, yes And told him: “Eat” Rebbe Yisroel told him: “I do not eat, only bread and tea” He told him: “It is kosher in my home; do not be afraid” “No..,” he told him: “No, not because of that; I want only bread and tea” “But I already prepared.. [Soup] I already put it on, I already cooked it, and it is ready” Nu, if Rebbe Yisroel did not eat, I also did not eat [….] I was afraid; he is going to the Rav, the Rav will tell him: “Why did she come, why {…...} You need {...} to travel.. [To Tzfas] To Tzfas; why did she come?” He told him: “She came; she is here with the children” So he told him: “Go look for an apartment and tell me how much it costs” The landlord was very happy and told him: “For the apartment I want payment in advance..”…