Tape 18, Side A

...[Whatever is possible, so that we will be able to write it] Have you already written the story of the.. [We did not write it] Of the "Seventeenth of Tammuz," of the.. [Then this needs to be written in your language, how it happened; I do not know To copy word for word from your mouth and not from my mouth] Among you it is holy of holies, and to the world it is a story.. ["Na Nach"] And such words that were not accepted by the world [Until it is accepted, we will wash their brains until it is accepted] What is this? On the seventh of Tammuz, on the seventeenth of Tammuz the Petek came down [….] It is shameful to tell such a thing [Who is this? Abba] {...} [These are your children; I am not your daughter, I know] What? [What you hear—shalom, Abba, what are you doing?]... ...[…] Miriam was born in the year 5688 [This, why, why—because we want to put it in a booklet so that the whole world will know] [A booklet about the Petek] I.. [A booklet..] [Connected with Torahs, not just "Na Nach," but connected with Torahs from Likutey Moharan, and how Saba found it, and other things about it from the Zohar] [And to distribute it throughout the entire country] [And then we will give it, then people will look and will at least know what it is] Nu, what? I did not hear [I explained …. We want to make] [We want you to tell Miriam how you found the Petek and when it was] [And also explain what..] She was born in the year 5688. I found, I found the Petek in the year 5682 [Six years] 5682, so that is before, before the birth by six years (not understood) [Six years before I was born] (Not understood) [I am young, you see] Ay.. ay.. ay.. ay.. ay..

[I also want that after you tell the story of the Petek you should also explain this matter, so that we will be able to explain it] Oy vey, vay, vay.. When I see how I am, what condition I am in and also my children, I already become confused and do not know what is with me, yes What is this? What is this? I had, I merited to see Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and the elders of our people And not casually, it was not casual; I had self-sacrifice for every word, for every detail I traveled, I lived in Teveria and I did not have, I did not have a livelihood And I traveled to Yerushalayim in order to hear, to hear some word from Rabbainu, nu.. [Tell about the Petek, they want to hear about the Petek] About the Petek [...] In the year 5682, close to the fast of the Seventeenth of Tammuz I felt weak, not so much, but not, God forbid, in a severe way And I felt, the Seventeenth of Tammuz arrived and I felt weak Then the Evil One overcame me, prevailed over me in the morning on the day of the Seventeenth of Tammuz "You are very weak, you need to eat now before the.." I, I am ashamed to say, to tell, before the prayer I did not drink water from midnight until after the prayer; I did not eat and I did not drink And now it arrived, the Evil One came to me and said to me: "You need to eat before the prayer, so weak, you are so weak" I listened to him, I did not want to, but I ate Nu, I ate, but like one eats, God forbid, harmful things I, I ate, but it was without hands and without feet, {..} But, but I ate; after eating I recited Birkat Hamazon and went to the mikveh (not understood) after, after, after the meal

Nu, one can understand how the prayer was and how, what condition I was in after such a thing After I had been careful, I saw from Rebbe Yisroel, every fast, even a Behab fast (not understood) he would fast, and I too, I saw from Rebbe Yisroel, I also did this Then also on the day of the Seventeenth of Tammuz, which is a severe fast among the four fasts Nu, I stumbled, I stumbled and fell in such a way—to eat before the prayer? Then there was no, then, then I did not want to live And I fell into such sadness that I could not speak or show myself before people And I went to the yeshiva and lay in the synagogue, in the yeshiva, there was a yeshiva and also a synagogue I lay in the synagogue like a dead man, not speaking, and not eating, like a dead man And the yeshiva students.. in the synagogue The yeshiva students, whoever entered the synagogue and saw Yisroel Ber lying in such sadness—it was frightening And they were accustomed to my always being happy, and dancing, happy And they had questions: "How is Yisroel Ber happy? From what is he happy? He has no livelihood, and he has no bread for the children, and he travels in every.. In any case, this Yisroel Ber is not the Yisroel Ber he used to be; this is a crazy Yisroel Ber And this is how all the Breslovers end up, that in the end they become crazy Because they go at midnight to the fields, to the forests, and sometimes they become frightened by some dog, by some animal, by some non-Jew, so they become, in the end they become crazy" And I was in terrible sadness, and because they said this, I had more sadness Because .. beyond measure, because I felt that I was the cause of all this that they are speaking, I was the cause What is this? Such sadness? Even if one transgresses the entire Torah, such sadness?

In any case I had great sorrow, I had, I had, it was very hard for me And I did not want, I did not want to live Even though one comes to sadness I saw that I was causing a desecration of Hashem, a disgrace to Breslov So I had hitbodedut and prayed to Hashem Yisbarach: "Master of the World, see my condition, it is true I ate, I did what I did But I want teshuvah, I, heal me and take me out of this condition, from this sadness Because I am causing a desecration of Hashem, a desecration of Hashem for Breslov" So I cried before Hashem Yisbarach in the synagogue and said: "Master of the World, heal me so that I can come out of the sadness A thought entered me, a period, like, like someone who enters my head, my brain And says to me in the thought, they say to me: "Go into your room" the room, I was in the synagogue and my room was next to the synagogue "Go into your room and open the bookcase and put your hand on some book And take it out and open it, and there {…} you will find healing for your soul" I wanted healing, nu, and I prayed, I said, this thought, where is this thought of mine from—is this a serious thing? So I said what am I, I will do, I will do this and we will see what, what, what will be made of it So I did like this, I entered my room from the synagogue and opened the cabinet and put.. As they told me, and I put my hand on some book and took it out, and opened it And the Petek was there I saw only a piece of paper and did not know what (not understood) in a book, it could be a marker for Knowing where I am learning, I did not pay attention to it, I saw a piece of paper In any case afterward I began, I saw that there were written lines

I began to read and saw what was written, "My dear student" (not understood), yes And.. yes, and "I greatly enjoyed your service" This is the sadness, the brokenheartedness I had over the transgression—that I did not fast on the Seventeenth of Tammuz He—"I greatly enjoyed {your service}"—this, this, "I greatly enjoyed your service" And the sign.. after the entire Petek, the signature, "Na Nach" "And a sign: on the Seventeenth of Tammuz they will say that you are not fasting" The Seventeenth of Tammuz, on the day of the Seventeenth of Tammuz? They will say.. From this it implies that the Petek was written even before the Seventeenth of Tammuz. He says to me: "A sign: on the Seventeenth of Tammuz they will say that you are not fasting" In any case, I read this And just as I had previously been in such sadness, I received joy from this, from this, from this Petek Such joy that is not of this world The sadness is of no value compared with the joy, such joy that not.. I began to dance in my room, and the yeshiva students were studying in the yeshiva and said that: "Oh, the madman became happy, (not understood) he became happy, but he is dancing" So everyone entered my room and saw such a thing: I was dancing; I paid no attention to them I was dancing and so happy; they were overwhelmed Well, they took me out of the room, like.. yes And they stood in a circle, and I was in the middle and danced for several hours at night And they became tired; they stood like that for a long time, so they said: "He will not become tired; he will tire us; we have no more strength" More, so they went away and I danced alone In any case, this is something that is impossible to describe, to tell The matter of the sadness that I had, and the joy rises.. and there was such joy And I had healing, the opposite of sadness; I entered into such joy, and I had healing for all the days of my life And every time what passed over me passed over me, some matters of what passes over a person, falls, the descents

Then immediately I took the Petek and read it, then there was already a remedy [Rebbe Yisroel, but what are the meanings of the Petek?] The meanings of the Petek? [I am speaking about the redemption] The meanings of the Petek are, it is such encouragement as there had never been.. Likutey Moharan, vis-à-vis the encouragement, all the Torahs are.. all the Torahs have matters in them They have only encouragement in them, only encouragement Not to despair, and not.. yes, and to begin anew at every moment, yes Nu, and I know of this and I study it and I went with it And suddenly all this strength ceased from me through the fall, through the eating on the Seventeenth of Tammuz, and there was no, and no word from Rabbainu helped me in the matter.. I fell into such darkness that I had no remedy at all [What is “about you I said”? What is the meaning of “about you I said”?] “And about you” [My fire] [...].. ..just as you, “about you,” ate, did such a thing, and you, and you as you are “And about you I said: My little fire will burn until Moshiach comes” Ay, ay.. [Say it more clearly, Abba] Eh? [Rebbe Yisroel, I think that this is..] [Say it clearly] [A greater meaning, that you will merit to see the redemption] I do not know how to say interpretations, only simply, and simply he also.. he is this “About you I said,” but if God forbid not, not, not there will be.. All Rabbainu's words, we see that they endure, they endure forever, yes And this word too, but nevertheless it could be, God forbid Through some blemish, or through some sin {there will be, you will have}, God forbid {…} Whatever will be could be, yes And I, I will be liable, because there will be a desecration of God's name; it is written: “About you I said: My little fire..” {…..}

[What is the meaning of “Na Nach”?] Eh? [What is “Na Nach”] “Na Nach,” when I found it and read it and it gladdened me But I did not know what, I saw that it was such a wonder, no more, but I did not know what... ...but I did not know what, I saw that it was such a wonder, no more But I did not know what it is, what? Nothing, no details What? I read, I read like, like a little child who knows nothing “Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman,” I knew no more, only what is written [What is it now? Now you know] After you drew close to me, and you awakened me: “This needs to be publicized” It was a secret; no person knew of it. I told you of this secret And you said: “This needs, until now it was asleep; now I will not give, I will not give you sleep Enough, this needs to be publicized throughout the whole world, this matter, this wondrous matter” [Abba, but what did you think?] Eh? [When you found the Petek] Nu [What did you think? What is this? Where did it come from? What did you think?] As it is, simply, Rabbainu's signature is written [Yes] He wrote to me, “Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman” [You accepted this, that it is he who is sending it to you] Eh? [Because this is a letter that he is sending to you, and he means you] Yes [This..] He gives me a sign, “A sign, the Seventeenth of Tammuz..” [What is the sign?] Something that no one knew about [Ah, ah] Yes [Only you.. between you and him..] Then I saw that it was to me, but beforehand it does not say Yisroel Ber Odesser [Correct, that is why I am asking] It does not say {….}, only “my student”; no name is written, it does not say who, yes And in truth it is a writing from Rabbainu, and it has universal scope

All the teachings, and all the conversations, and everything that passes over each and every person, this This matter of Rabbainu is, he, he is not for one person, but for each and every one of Israel, for all Israel [Right] Yes, so this too, this is all-encompassing, "It was very difficult for me to descend to you" So not to me, to you and to you, he wrote to everyone, yes [...] "To tell you that I derived much pleasure from your service and upon you.." The entire Petek speaks to each and every person [But there is something in the Petek that was never clearly revealed, the matter of the "Na Nach"] The matter of the "Na Nach" was revealed only in the Petek It was a secret, a secret from all the worlds, not revealed, nothing like this was revealed in the world Only in the Petek, in the signature, he, he reveals to the entire world That the song—simple, doubled, tripled, quadrupled—{that is destined} to be revealed.. [What the Zohar speaks about] With the coming of Mashiach [What the Zohar speaks about, and Rabbainu speaks about] That will bring the entire world back to Hashem Yisbarach, to the Torah He, he, he is the author of the Petek, he is the holy Rabbainu As he signed himself, "Na Nach Nachma Nachman" And simple is "Nach" Doubled is "Nach" Simple - "Na" Doubled - "Nach" Tripled - "Nachma" Quadrupled - "Nachman" Yes, so this means that he reveals to us that he is the song that will be revealed in the future? - He is the song Every Torah from Likutey Moharan, and every utterance that he revealed in the world then, then this, this is the song Through which will come, there will be the rectification for the world [But how is it enclothed upon Y-H-V-H?] Huh? [How is it enclothed upon Y-H-V-H?] What Y-H-V-..? Uh.. [How is the "Na Nach" enclothed upon Y-H-V-H?] Y-H-V-H? The Name of Hashem, the Name of Hashem Y-H-V-H is joined with the name of Rabbainu, that is how he wrote in a Torah

He is all of them.. yes That is how he reveals, "The Name of Hashem is joined in the name of the Tzaddik" "If the name of the Tzaddik is publicized in the world, Hashem Yisbarach is publicized in the world, the faith, the Torah" Yes, it all depends on publicizing the name of the Tzaddik And here he signs that he is that Tzaddik of the song—simple, doubled, tripled, quadrupled—he, he, he And also {actually} no, in the entire Petek no, it is not written to whom he is writing this And one can think anything, yes But only at the end does he reveal a sign, the sign of the Seventeenth of Tammuz Something that only I knew and no one knew, did not know about it So, because it is a sign, I know that he, that I was the cause of it Through the sadness, through my sadness, through the heartbreak that I had over the transgression Then it happened, what happened happened, it happened from this.. [And what, what is the meaning of the secret "full and heaped from line to line P'Tz'P'Tz'Y'H'"?] This, this is a matter.. [According to what you can explain] A matter, hidden matters, what, what is impossible.. [What you can in general terms] In general terms.. It is impossible, impossible At any rate, only in a general way, "full and heaped from line to line" "Full and heaped" is also a matter, a matter like this, "full and heaped" "Full," not only "full," "heaped," yes […..] Nu, what else? But there is more, more "heaped," more, more "full and heaped," "from line to line," yes So "from line to line" is a matter, such a hidden matter that it is more expert, more than "full and heaped" And also "full and heaped from line to line" is full, full of points, many points, nu I, I do not know, the holy Rabbainu writes, "Through strengthening in service you will understand it" [And what is the matter of the "P'Tz'.."] The "P'Tz'" is a matter of Rabbainu's Rosh Hashanah

It is mentioned in the Petek that I, I have knowledge of the matter of Rosh Hashanah, my Rosh Hashanah, more than the whole world And "full and heaped from line to line," P'Tz'P'Tz'Y'H'" is Rosh Hashanah [The angel appointed over the merits of the people of Israel] Yo, the angel appointed over the blasts, over the blowing of the shofar [And it has the same gematria as "Na Nach," "Na Nach" is 355 and this is 355] Yes, and also.. this thing came to my mind: P'Tz'P'Tz' comes to 140, look [P'Tz'..] P'Tz' is 70 [Yes] 70 and 70 [140] One hundred and forty, then, then Rabbainu's name.. [Why?] [P' is..] The name Nachman, the name.. [P' is eighty, Tz' is ninety] [Ninety plus eighty is 170] [170] One hundred and seventy [Yes] M.. no.. [Wait] 70 and 70, one hundred and forty [How 70 and 70?] {{. .}} ['Tz..] P'Tz' is 70, P'Tz' 70, no? [No, no] [No, P' is, it is..] P'Tz.. nu, 80 [80] Nu [And Tz' is 90] 90 [And together one hundred, one hundred and..] What hundred? [180] [170] [170] Ah, one hundred.. [170] One hundred and.. [170] Ah.. then I was mistaken, I erred, I was mistaken One hundred and seventy, one hundred and seventy, one hundred and seventy {..} [340] Eh? [….] Three hundred and forty [340] But not.. then, then I was mistaken [………..] [Wait, perhaps, wait, wait, perhaps it is possible by reduced gematria, no, also not] [Yes, yes, this is the gematria of Moshe] Yes, yes, P'Tz'P'Tz' is.. […….. the gematria of Moshe] [Wait, wait, quiet] I thought that it was like you, 70 and 70, P'Tz' is 70 [How much is it...] One hundred and seventy [One hundred and seventy] [One hundred and seventy] [345, and this is also 345] [This is 355, this is the angel of mercy of….]

Oy, yes.. ..I traveled to Yerushalayim and I was happy, and I came, I returned from Yerushalayim And she was, I found her so sick.. far from life, so sick Then my wife said to me: "You caused this to happen to her, you caused this to happen to her She longed for you and became ill, so ill" She longed for Abba, yes And blessed be Hashem, she is alive [I chased after him..] [Now it will go quickly..] [I would go..] [Now..] [After him, wherever he went..] [….] [He would travel to Yerushalayim; I would come as far as the bus, he would throw me off] [….] [Also to Bnei Brak..] [Now..] [And also to Meron, the same thing, he would throw me off] [Now it will go quickly, now …..] [When I was little, I lacked an Abba; he was not at home at all] [….] [When he was at home, what was at home? He would come to eat, change clothes, sleep one night, and then he would flee again, so I would ….. him, I would go with him as far as the bus, there was no, you know And then we would come downstairs, and Egged was downstairs, right on the main street; I would come with him as far as Egged and I would want to go up, he would stand there, there was someone who knew us, there was.. "Chaim Schaefer"] Oy vey.. ["Take her down, men zarof (take them down), men zarof, take her down" He did not want to take me; I would stand until he traveled away] {…} [I always chased after him.. also in Yerushalayim] The wisdoms of the world are such darkness that they can cover such a miracle [Do not worry..] One sees, one sees such a wonder that has never been heard of [I receive telephone calls all day..] Never has a wonder been heard of, a wonder, this is such a thing—that the Tzaddik, after one hundred and seventy years..

[…. Give us material that will explain to us what this is? To the end, for me I can the intellectual perception, not just the.. give us background material, material to think about.. We will make such a booklet, we will take Torahs from "Likutey Moharan" that speak about "the name of the Tzaddik and the Name of Hashem," and afterward the drawing close from "Avi HaNachal" and the continuation, which is this Petek, then they will get a picture that it is not just a Petek] Clarify this [Who stands behind this..] You do it [We will make something beautiful, there is a computer now..] The main thing is not me; the main thing is "Likutey Moharan," the words from Rabbainu [We will bring, bring three Torahs..] [But it is important that how you found the Petek be publicized to the world; the world needs to know] [We will bring..] Nu, so have I finished already? [Yes, yes, you finished] Eh? [You finished, you finished] Yes? [That is all] [You can smoke a cigarette; you will get one for this] It was a remedy for me; they told me: "Open the book and you will find, there you will find a remedy for your soul" And the remedy continues all the days of my life [……] And when I received a blow, I immediately took the Petek and everything was nullified, was nullified {forever} [In another three months, with Hashem's help, we will already have a photograph, and after that we will move forward] No, no [Tell me, what is the news with this that was with the..] [With the non-Jewish woman we did work, work; now we are waiting for the contract..] Oy, I.. [I have a Knesset member from Shas whom I helped with his yeshiva, "Torah from..”]… …[To make you coffee] {….} [Nu, continue] So I received a stamp of insanity, of a madman The entire yeshiva entered the city, each one to his synagogue, and they told "good news": that the Breslover had become crazy, but such a madman as there is none like him

that he should have no remedy at all, he should have none..” They told the story of how I was suddenly in such sadness and afterward in such joy And I danced like a madman; in any case, I acquired a name throughout the city: "That Yisroel Ber the Breslover became crazy," yes So Rav Mottel, Rav Mottel of Slonim, I was his neighbor, like a room beside a room, a neighbor, yes He gave me the room and he gave me everything In any case he, he, he loved me like an only son I was, he had two daughters and I was the third son; I was more {….} with him, more than his daughters, yes They felt it, they, they knew, yes So he loved me, but after I became a Breslover, and he was an opponent, he said to me: "Be very careful—Breslov, no" So, and I did not listen to him But nevertheless the joy was not spoiled, the love was not spoiled And he heard, he went to pray Mincha; he heard in the synagogue that all the yeshiva students were telling that the Breslover had become such a madman, yes They told about the sadness and the joy {and did not know} what the sadness was and what the joy was But they determined: “He became such a madman" So he heard this, and everyone was telling, "By the mouth of two witnesses a matter shall be established" And they were many, many, everyone was saying so; then he had, he had great sorrow He did not want to listen to me, {if there was} "Nu, the Breslover became crazy, but what, what do we do now?” So he was in great sorrow; then he, he went home in order to see the madman To speak with me, and he went in fear, he came in to me in fear "A madman can hit, can.." So he entered and began to speak with me, and I spoke with him, and he felt, he saw that I was not crazy

When one sees with one's own eyes, there will be a hundred witnesses.. So he says to me, tells me: "That throughout the city I got the name of a madman, everyone is saying that you are mad You were in such sadness and afterward in such joy, what do I want {…}.. I see that you are not mad; tell me the whole episode of the sadness and the joy What was it {….}”, yes I told him the episode of the seventeenth of Tammuz, yes, what happened on the seventeenth of Tammuz And he heard the whole, the whole episode, the whole story What the sadness was, what the joy was, and then I found the note, and that is how it was They told me in my thoughts, they told me that I should open the.. Everything, I told him the whole, the whole episode, and he heard the whole episode and began {….} began to laugh Rav Motl—you did not know him [No..] [I know his children] He, he was a holy man, a great scholar, God-fearing, and he never laughed I was with him for several years in his home as, as in my own home, and I never saw, I never saw him laugh He has daughters, he has.. if they tell something Only if he.., laughter, all his laughter {was what he did, like, like someone who makes … laughter} [..] But not laughter And he heard this episode and began to laugh, such laughter that all the neighbors heard And Soroh, his daughter, lived after her wedding also in the neighborhood, and she heard her father She recognized his voice and she heard.. [That he was laughing] That her father, that her father.. [Laughing so much] Laughing—she did not understand what, she had never heard in her life, all the days of her life Father laughing, so she was alarmed, she.. [Thought that he too had gone mad] Yes [She saw him too]

Yes, yes, so she came to the door and he was.. [..] holding his intestines so they would not come out and laughing like that, and she stood and saw what.. So she said to him: "Abba, what is with you? I have never seen laughter like this, laughter from you—what, what, what is this? What happened?" So, so he laughed.. [Even more] More, he saw that he was in danger, {…} So he could not speak, so he motioned to her with his hand [The hand, go] Yes, go, yes, she understood, she did not.. she understood that he could not speak and he was in danger So she went, she stopped asking, went Oy, I never heard such laughter; until now I still have not heard such laughter Afterward he did not, he was a great opponent; then he said to me: "Yisroel Ber, do you believe this is from Heaven, that it fell from Heaven? What do you think?” I said to him: "Yes” He said to me: "If so, I will show you that you are mistaken In all the things, in the whole matter of Bre.., you are mistaken I will show you who wrote it" So I said to him: "Good, show me" Yes, and he was.. [They made a joke of him, you understand, that someone had slipped it in to him] Yes [He said to him, show me; if you are so clever, show me] Yes, "show me” "Then I will show you" So he checked [All the yeshiva students..] All the expert yeshiva students whom one could suspect of such a thing, and even the simple ones The whole yeshiva he examined, and checked and investigated; no one knows even one word of it Even if someone were to say that he did it—"What is written there?” And all.. and yes, and he.. in any case.. [For this he asked like that, Saba says that….] He asked everyone [..no one knew]

And he did not find, so he was embarrassed before me, so he said to me, he told me: “I investigated and did not find anyone, so from now on I nullify all of my opposition to Breslov,” yes [Do you know what this Petek is? That it.. brought him close, because he was a great opponent, he loved him, period, but opposed him together with that, do you understand?] [Yes, yes] [But since he saw that he speaks the truth and that he, he has no interests at all…] [He, more than that, Saba told me that he had times when he lived in dire straits, and he was already a Rebbe] …. I would only go to him and hint to him that I had nothing, he would fill me with money, whatever I wanted, only I did not want them to say that Rebbe Yisroel lives off some Rebbe] […..] [That there should be no hint that I receive money from some Rebbe, and that I am somehow dependent on him that they should say Rebbe Yisroel lives off some Rebbe] [Saba, you told us that R' Mottel, he saw you going to Meron, so he accompanied you a little in the direction of Meron] Yes, he accompanied me, I was going to Meron, so he accompanied me like, like a gaon who, he travels out of the city, so he accompanied me, he accompanied me far, yes with such love, with such joy, Reb Mottel But no one knew, did not know, only I and he, yes [He was utterly self-effacing] [..] [..] [We all went as far as Meron, all the children (I do not understand) they did not let us] [Th..he wanted, he was, he told me that I was in such a difficult situation that if I had said to him give me a lira, give me a hundred liras, give me a thousand liras, give me a thousand dollars, five thousand he would have given it, but Saba said, I do not want them to know that I receive my livelihood from some Rebbe

And I did not ask and nothing] [But there are children who do not forgive him, you should know] [We will see in the end, today they do not forgive him, we will see how it is when the tikkun is finished] [I always saw it differently, I today, altogether I was different from everyone, not that I was so...] [Does he know that, does he know that they do not forgive him?] [What?] [He knows, he told me, he told me that there are children who hold it against him] [No one told him that] [He told me, there are children who suffered like this, to this day they suffer and hold it against me] [……………..] [I came to the place and did not know how to sign my name, who is to blame, who? He taught me German, he taught me instead of Hebrew] Yitzchak, Yitzchak [German] [Listen now, listen now] Yitzchak, do you know Yitzchak? […….] He suffered for many years {in a short time still from now, a short time ...} He, he got out of it, he suffered a headache from hunger, from the hunger [He held it against you, right?] He.., yes [And Pinchas could not sleep at night..] [………] [Pinchas could not sleep at night, from the sufferings, so every time {….} in America he would say, Pinchas, do you remember that you could not sleep at night?..] They were in danger [What, do you know what it was like at my place, he would come to me, the neighbors would think I had a dead person in the house I had a dead person in the house] [Why?] [He prayed, cried, shouted] [He shouted over all of Tel Aviv] [When they danced they did not hear, when he cried and that, then they heard him] […] [So they would ask, “Do I have some dead person in the house?” I said, “No, there is someone very much alive”] [No, once he told me that he went up onto your roof, onto the roof thirty years ago, I do not know exactly, twenty-five, I do not know the time, then {….} he shouted shouts over all of Tel Aviv] Ah, ah, ah, ah..

[He went up onto the roof..] [To live with such a Petek is not easy, it is a great obligation] Reb Yom Tov.. [If a person believes in it] Reb Yom Tov Zlotnik, have you heard of Reb Yom Tov Zlotnik He was a Litvak, he drew close to Rabbainu He had brothers who were rabbis, and they said about him that he was crazy, he drew close to Rabbainu and.., yes [This really is a somewhat abnormal Chassidus, between us] [What?] [Breslov Chassidus] [It is the only one that is normal] [A Chassidus that is normal] [It is abnormal to the world..] [No, let us not say abnormal, it is exceptional, let us say exceptional] [In relation to the world] [It is exceptional because the demand…] [There is no continuation to the Rebbe, they called them: “the dead Chassidim,” the dead Chassidim they call them..] […..] [Breslov Chassidim are dead Chassidim, because they have no…...] [But I will give you an answer, Rabbainu said a sentence: “Our greatness and our glory will be seen..” “Our greatness and our glory..” [In the future to come, that is the answer] will be seen in the future to come, when Mashiach comes” [Oh, then they will see what Breslov is, until then it is only investigations and questions, and difficulties when Mashiach comes..] [When they persecuted, when they persecuted Rebbe Nassan, he told us that Rebbe Nassan, found, found him, Rav Nachman of Tcherin found him singing in the field, in the forest, “Our greatness and our glory will be revealed in the future by our righteous Mashiach”] [Only in the future to come will they see what Rabbainu is, but I want him to advance it already, that there should be books, because my strength is already finished, I no longer have strength, let it end] [You have no strength? Reach his age and then say that you also have any strength left] [I will not reach his age, I already ….] [Reach his age, you will not do, {...} a quarter of what he went through]

[I do not want to do anything, only that he should finish already] Who ever heard of such a thing A Jewish man, he is going to make a wedding for his son, to receive him.. […..] With stones, to kill him, yes, who ever heard of such a thing? [Tzipora told me..] They all fled [..She ate watermelon rinds from trash cans, she told me, but it is all in the reckoning What do you think, I want to know, to see the end already] [So I want to tell you, I do not know, I saw it completely differently, I accepted everything..]…