Tape 42, Side A

...Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) [Ah, oy] He lived in Chevron, he came from Chevron to Teveria And we became study partners, I and Rebbe Yisroel, we were two, two Breslovers There was not in all Eretz Yisroel, we were two, {….} in Teveria, in Teveria, and in Tzfas we were two in Teveria there were two, there was me and Rebbe Yisroel, {..} What is this? [It is tuna, tuna, tuna, fish] Eh? [Fish] Fish? [Yes, tuna] Ah.. Blessed are You, Hashem our God, King of the world, through Whose word everything came to be [Amen] [Amen] [And Rebbe Yisroel, a connection was made between.. with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)] Eh? [There was a connection between you] Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)? [There was a connection, a connection was made between you, in Meron] We were for several years, we were together in Meron [Yes] Then they did not, did not come to Meron, because there was no, no money and there was hunger Only I and Rebbe Yisroel, we had the key of Rebbe Shimon And I and Rebbe Yisroel were for several years in Meron Ah.. [And in Meron the fire of Rabbainu began?] Eh? [In Meron] Nu [Through Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and you] Rebbe Yisroel, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, certainly [This is the fire, the fire of Rabbainu] The holy Rabbainu was also in Meron [Yes, he spoke with Rashbi, he spoke with Rashbi] Eh? [He spoke with Rashbi] Yes [I heard so] Yes, yes, yes [What, what did he say to Rashbi, Rabbainu?] The holy Rabbainu said about Rashbi: “If I had been in the time of Rebbe Shimon, I too would have been a novelty” {….} .He also said: “Rebbe Shimon is “‘Ir VeKaddish Min Shemaya Nachis’—‘a watcher and holy one descended from Heaven,’” the initials spell SHIMON And now there is “‘Nachal Novea Mekor Chochma’—‘a flowing stream, source of wisdom’”” That he will bring all, all of Am Yisroel and the whole world close to Hashem, blessed be He

There had not yet been a novelty like him in the world, there had not yet been a novelty, such a wonder Still, there had not yet been, this.. is new What? I, my father was very poor, and also became blind in both his eyes, he saw nothing; he cried and said to me: “My dear son, I love you, I want you not to be Breslov, because who will take you? Who will take a Breslover? Then you will die a bachelor, you will have, neither sons nor anything” My father said to me, I said to him: “Father, I will listen to you in everything, only not this, I am only Breslov” Then, then he said, the mother and the family, the family and the.. said: That this is impossible, only witchcraft, {..}, Breslov is witchcraft This needs, this needs to be publicized in all.. the newspapers to the whole world, what Rabbainu is They will bring all the honored people, they will all become completely nullified before.., Rabbainu So this, this is a wondrous matter that no, no one, even among the tzaddikim, knows anything Only Rebbe Nassan was.. Rabbainu HaKadosh said: “To know of me, it is only Rebbe Nassan and.. and Rebbe Naft.., and Rebbe Naftali” But the main one was Rebbe Nassan Rebbe Naftali was a gaon and a tzaddik, Rebbe Naftali, yes And Rebbe Nassan, and Rebbe Nassan, he was one with Rabbainu He, he publicized Rabbainu like a drop from the sea, yes Because of this they wanted to ki.., to kill him, {..} Rebbe Nassan was in great danger Because there was one who was against the whole world, the whole world said: “Breslov, no, Breslov is forbidden” And.. and he, Rebbe Nassan said: “There had not yet been anyone like Rabbainu” This, this is not, this is not, still not, not anything, compared to, compared to Rabbainu’s praise That he, {that he\they heard} this {How everyone needs to be rectified}, the whole world, he.. he will give a rectification to everyone, yes

A complete rectification, not merely a rectification There are still such secrets, what, what is impossible, impossible to speak in words Above words, above, above everything And I suffered for several years, I was like a.., a madman, and everyone All, all the children threw peels and stones at me, with great disgrace, yes And receiv.., and I accepted everything, {..} Only one word from the “Sippurei {Maasiyos},” from the “Sippurei Maasiyos” Surpasses, surpasses everything, all the Torah, all the wisdoms One word, there had not yet been such a wondrous light in the world Who is this? [This is David, David, my friend] [David Shlomo] Yes? [They call him David Shlomo..] Eh? [David Shlomo] David? [David] Eh? [David] D.. David [Shlomo] {Shlomo} [David] David Shlomo [Yes, that is beautiful, those are the kings] He lives here [Studies, studies here] Is he your neighbor? [No, he, he studies, he studies at the yeshiva here in Yerushalayim] Eh? [He is learning to write as a scribe, Torah scrolls] Where? [In.. in Katamon] Eh? [He studies in Katamon] In Katamon? [But he lives in Petach Tikva] Eh? [He lives in Petach Tikva] {Today} [Yes, he heard a little about Rabbainu] Eh? [He heard a little about Rabbainu] He heard.. [About Rabbainu, a little] Yes? [Yes] Ho, he still knows nothing, like the whole world [But explain to him, you need to tell him who, who Rabbainu is, so that.. he will know] Who can? Who, who said such a thing, such an utterance?: “He will rectify the whole world” Rabbainu HaKadosh himself said: “There are illnesses that are impossible, that are impossible to heal.. And I can, and I.. even, even such sick people I can heal completely”

[But Rabbainu said that his name now is “Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman”] Yoa [What is “Na Na Nach”? What is the meaning? What is the meaning? What is the meaning?] That he is the essence of all the Torah, of all, of everything, of all the lights [Everything depends on him?] There are no words with which to speak If I am alive, I do not know, above nature [Rebbe Yisroel..] What, what I suffered Ah… ...[But “Nachman and Nassan laugh at the whole world”] Two, two people laugh at the whole world No tzaddik said, did not say such utterances, and “Mashiach will give an explanation on “Likutey Moharan”” [And they also say that Mashiach will finish the story of the seven.., the Seven Beggars' 'The seventh Beggar', so they say, Mashiach needs to finish the story of 'the Seven Beggars' who has no legs]… ...Oy vey, oy vey, vey, vey, vey.. What, just to see Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) was enough {to..} to know, to know of Rabbainu [Which, which Rebbe Yisroel? Rebbe Yisroel..] This is already Rabbainu’s merchandise [The merchandise] He came to me from Hebron to Teveria And a great commotion arose, and a great commotion arose {throughout, throughout}, throughout Eretz Yisroel: “Yisroel Ber, Yisroel Ber, Yisroel Ber became Breslov And this is a danger to all the.., {to al..}, to.. all, to the whole world They need to kill him and {..} Rebbe Nassan He, he will drive the whole world mad, he will kill the whole world” [The officer said: “This Petek will drive the whole world mad, and all of Bnei Brak too”] Eh? [That is what he said in a dream, the officer, the officer] Yoa [He said: “This Petek..”] Yoa [“Will drive the whole world mad”] Yes [“And all of Bnei Brak too”]

{..} “Already the whole world and Bnei Brak” [“And Bnei Brak”] He, he said to me: “What are you asking? Give the, the Petek” I said to him: “Why?” He said, he said: “It will.., it will drive the whole world and all of Bnei Brak mad” The officer said to me: “Give” Nu, I was afraid, {…}, perhaps they will take it? {..}, then I remembered, that.. he came at the beginning of the night, came to me, ah.. [The officer?] Who? [Avraham Nassan, Avraham Nassan] AvrahamNassan, yoa [Baruch Hashem, and he said] “Give me the, give me the.. the..” [The Petek] “Only for the night, to read and to see it” {Avraham}, I gave it to him for one night {……}, then.. Baruch Hashem, I became a little.. he is not in Bnei Brak and not here [But Rebbe Yisroel, what is the difference between the whole world and Bnei Brak? They are two things, the world is one thing, and Bnei Brak is another thing?] {…}, Bnei Brak was the great city of all Eretz Yisroel [So it is the city of Torah, of the learned men] Ah, ah.. {..} investigations [Yes, yes] No, this is not {about …..}, can think and understand and speak of this.. {..}, whoever would hear the prayer, the prayer and the hisbodedus of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) The whole world became tzaddikim Whoever, whoever heard his voice, became a tzaddik And now {already} Rabbainu said: “Rebbe Shimon is ‘I'r V'Kaddish M'in S'hmaya N'achit’ And now there is ‘N'achal N'ovea M'ekor C'hochma’” Through whom the Torah will not be forgotten from Yisroel, through him the Torah will not be forgotten This is now [……..]... ...No tzaddik said such utterances: “Mashiach will give an explanation on the “Likutey Moharan”” Nu, he is only one, in the whole world, one {...} who said such utterances:

"Mashiach will give an explanation of the "Likutey Moharan" [Rebbe Yisroel, "Ebay HaNachal"..] Nu [Is this an explanation of "Likutey Moharan"?] "Ebay HaNachal"—these are his letters, mine, that I had, which I wrote to President Shazar That he asked me, he asked me, ho.. with all kinds of requests he asked me that I should write to him what I received from Rebbe.. about, about, about, about the.. the Rebbe, Rebbe Nachman, and this is I, "Ebay HaNachal" Everyone is going crazy, all the gedolim, all.. everyone {…} nullifies themselves before such words—who, and who uh.., who said such words?: "Mashiach will give an explanation of "Likutey Moharan"" [……..] [……..] Ah… ...But no, it is not, not right, God forbid, to eat before prayer [To eat before the meal, or before prayer?] No, no, it is forbidden, forbidden, only.. [Eggs] A sick person and.. but not like this, it is forbidden to eat Even our holy Rabbainu did not drink even water before prayer There is {it is written like this} in "Sichos HaRan," yes [Yes, but there is time until prayer, there is time, now..] No, I do not [You want..] From now, from now, no [Are you doing "Tikkun Chatzos" now? Now is the time..] If they learn from me, not to eat {before prayer}? [Right] Th.. I have a different law, the law of a sick person [So..] But an elderly person or a sick person [Saba..] But.. [Saba..] God forbid, because of this.. it becomes hefker, it becomes hefker, to eat {during} prayer The opposite of Rabbainu, the opposite of the Gemara, the opposite of, of the Torah [Yes, one needs to do "Tikkun Chatzos"] I do not ["Tikkun Chatzos"] Yes [Afterward we will talk] Huh? [We will do "Tikkun Chatzos," and afterward we will t.. t..]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no [Now "Tikkun Chatzos"] After prayer [Yes, yes] Before prayer, not even water to drink [Yes]… ...Like this [Maybe this is of the “Tikkun Chatzos”] After prayer, everything after prayer, the egg and the eating after prayer Not before prayer, shoyn, I am doing teshuvah […...] I acted, God forbid, like a sick person; a sick person has a different law, danger to life But, but when a person is healthy, God forbid, {not ….} even to drink water before prayer... ...I did not taste even water before prayer No, only fro.., only from the time that I became sick {...} and weak Then perhaps it is also possible; this I see, that no, no, this is not, not our way God forbid not to keep the "Shulchan Aruch" Ah, oy, oy, oy, oy vey, oy vey, {to wash} hands, oy, oy vey, ah.. I already did {…}, ah.. Oy, ah, ah, {he is coming} Ah.. still not, still has the time for prayer not arrived? [No, another five hours] Another, another five hours [Approximately, yes] {..} So now it is still permitted to eat, because it is before midnight [No, it is already after midnight] Huh? [We are already at the time of midnight] Already after midnight [At the time of midnight now] Huh? [Now it is the time of midnight] The time of midnight? [Yes] No, no, no, no, no [But Rebbe Yisroel..] Our holy Rabbainu… ...{..} They do not understand how he lives, {….} She too came, said to him: "You do not eat anything; from where will you have strength to serve Hashem" Then he said to him: "I, I have people by me, wh.. whose entire vitality is only "wisdom gives life to its possessor" They live only from wisdom, from the holy Torah, from the true wisdom, they live on this

No, no, there is no need to eat" If one knows "Likutey Moharan" from our holy Rabbainu, already, already there is no eating and no, and no {this}.. Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) did not taste, he was also, even water before prayer, yes There was once when he was also sick; he too did not insi.., he was stringent and did not eat before prayer, yes, one needs to keep very carefully all the words of Rabbainu {that} came from his holy mouth We need to sacrifice our lives to do as he teaches.., teaches and reveals to us, yes Ah.. [Rebbe Yisroel, even someone who did not sleep before midnight—is he forbidden to eat from midnight at night? Even someone..?] {..}, From midnight at night [Even someone who did not sleep?] Ah, someone who did not sleep? There are laws about this, someone who did not sleep.. [Yes] {..}... ...To study and to know how to conduct oneself [So I ask, I ask you, how to conduct oneself..?] Nu, I.. [According to Rabbainu?] {..} I have no memory, I have no.. yes, from me, one does not, does not learn.. [No] Anything [No] A healthy man.. [..] A healthy man [Yes] I am always sick, I am always sick, I am a very weak man . And nevertheless I, all the time that I walked on my feet Then I did not, did not, did not eat and did not drink before prayer Since the time that I drew close to Rabbainu; before that I was a child, perhaps I drank a little coffee But no eating before prayer According to the Gemara, according to the Torah: "It is forbidden to eat and to drink before prayer," {yes} . And the Chassidim he is, they, they eat and drink before, before prayer The opposite of Rabbainu, of blessed memory, yes Oy, oy vey, yes, {Baruch Hashem}, ho, ho.. yes, yes, shoyn Now cover it, {there is more ...}, good, ah Good…

...[Rebbe Yisroel, someone who eats..] {..} [Before prayer..] By Rabbainu it is written [Yes] That he did not eat and did not drink from the time of midnight, fro.., from midnight at night until {..}.. But someone who did not sleep, it can be that he, that for him it is still daytime, when the time changes Then it can be; I am not a scholar, I do not, do not know But what I saw, Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) did not eat, did not drink before prayer And.. and.. and his prayer was, was.. whoever heard only his voice became a tzaddik And I was together with him, and I saw that he wept so much before Hashem Yisborach over every matter, that he should merit to fulfill the Torah, yes He lived every moment; he, he {….\left} for himself all kinds of pains All kinds of pains, illnesses, yes And he, this is how he served Hashem Yisborach [Rebbe Yisroel, someone who eats before prayer, does it harm the prayer?] What? [Someone who eats before prayer, does it harm his prayer?] Yes.. [..] Certainly [Does it blemish?] Certainly, this is.. {advice}.. we need only to serve Hashem Yisborach And also in eating, to serve through eating, to serve Hashem Yisborach Yes, with.. the blessings and 'Birkat Hamazon' and.. what The people of our holy Rabbainu, when they ate, every blessing was heard very much, and also every, every matter of eating after prayer; before prayer, no There is much {to be meticulous} about this, and I myself, all the days of my life, went every day to the mikveh at midnight Only now in old age, when I am sick, then I become, I fell, but I need to strengthen myself even now, yes And to keep.. like the Torah, to keep the holy Torah, not to eat and not to drink before prayer, oy vey [Rebbe Yisroel] Yo [And after the Shacharis prayer, should one study "Likutey Moharan," Tehillim?]

{..} [After the prayer, what is good to study, after the Shacharis prayer? I heard that you used to study "Likutey Moharan" or Tehillim after the prayer, after..] After the prayer [Yes, prayer.. study, what should one study? In "Likutey Moharan"?] Eh? [After the prayer] He had.. [What is good to study?] There was hitbodedut [Yes] Before the prayer [Yes] Hitbodedut, he taught his people the matter of hitbodedut; to the world it is a joke: "What is hitbodedut? What is the service of Hashem Yisborach?” But he, he did not listen to the whole world; he gave this to us A way, a straight way not, not to eat, not to drink before the prayer, as he said about himself: "I {did not}.., I did not drink even water before the prayer," so said Rabbainu Hakadosh And we also need to do so, {..} Nu, in any case, oy vey {zmir} eh… ...I heard their prayer; he was already satiated and could not eat As soon as he said: 'Baruch She'amar,' as soon as he said some words of the prayer He was already satiated and could not, not drink and not eat, eh, eh... ...life, and we were created for the Torah, in order to study Torah and fulfill it, not for ourselves is the Torah, that one should be a "Rav,” that one should be, th.. be famous... ...{Rabbainu's people}, eh.. That he had for them, had, had {miracles} from the whole world "Chatzos," "What is Chatzos? Chatzos is, at Chatzos {…} one needs to sleep" {And afterward} he arose, Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), he went, he went even in winter, even in the rains He, he went to practice hitbodedut, to speak with Hashem Yisborach in the forest, {..}… ...I did not sleep when midnight arrived

[..] I saw from Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) that he, even when he was sick, would arise at midnight And go into the forest and weep before Hashem Yisborach and speak with Hashem Yisborach; no, the world, the whole world did not know about this And.. Rabbainu Hakadosh, he gave us.. {the light, his light} That we should merit to fulfill the Torah and the mitzvos […..]... ...{already} I was accustomed not to drink and not to eat from the time of Chatzos [What? What..?] I was, I became accustomed, and already this, this was already for me, already {...}, a way, a way in the service of Hashem Not to eat and not to drink before the prayer [Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)..] {..} Eh?[Is the best time for hitbodedut Chatzos?] Yo, eh?[Is the best time for hitbodedut Chatzos?] Yo[What, what is the time for hitbodedut? At Chatzos, or b.. before the Shacharis prayer? What is the best time?] The time of Chatzos is six hours into the night, always, in winter, in summer, six hours into the night is Chatzos [But the best time in order to..] Eh? [Is the best time for hitbodedut Chatzos?] Yo Eh? [Is the best time for hitbodedut Chatzos?] Yo [Yes] Yes [Or before the Shacharis prayer? What is best?] No, at the time of Chatzos, one says "Chatzos," and afterward one speaks with Hashem Yisborach, there is hitbodedut; perhaps at night he stumbled, he fell into some desire, into some.. Then he would speak, recount before Hashem Yisborach: "I, I did such and such, I ate, I drank, {what is this?} I did such and such" he wept before Hashem Yisborach, that He should forgive him and help him fulfill the Torah… ...books, and.. and.. yes {A way} of supplications, "Shaarei Tzion," "Shaarei Tzion," the order of Chatzos and.. and prayers, yes, for each and every day, {already on the day th..}.., for Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, you do not know? Yes

[Yes, yes, I, I know the book]... ...{Rabbainu Hakadosh} had a son, a son, one son who was the Mashiach, and.. an.., and at his bris milah he called him the name {..}.., his name was Rabbainu Hakadosh gave him the name: "Shlomo Ephraim” what is Shlomo? Shlomo — Mashiach ben David And Ephraim — Mashiach ben Yosef Yes, you do not, do not know about this? [Yes, yes, I heard, I heard] Yes Rabbainu Hakadosh gave us prayer What? To the world, prayer—"what is this?” This is first of all, this for us is a great fundamental, th.. {..}…