Tape 5, Side A

...I gave my soul to be with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), because I was alone without vessels I did not leave him for a single step, wherever he went, we went together, yes, from Teveria to Tzfas, yes There was talk among people, "Here is Breslov, here is a Breslov couple" This was a sign that we went together, this was the seal upon Breslov And Rebbe Yisroel, all, all, all.. Tzfas and Teveria, the whole world No.. he had another name, he had many names, Yisroel Halperin is the family name And also in Uman they called him Tchek, Rebbe Yisroel Tchek Tchak is an expression of freilach (happy) [Tchek is joy] Such joy, great joy [In Russian, Tchek is Russian] Tchek is, yes, Tchek So they called him Rebbe Yisroel Tchek And in Eretz Yisroel they called him everywhere, he lived in Yerushalayim Afterwards he moved from Yerushalayim to Meron, to Tzfas For several reasons Hashem.. he, he did not live long He, he could have been in Meron, and I in Teveria, and not know one another, yes And Hashem wanted it to be, so He arranged circumstances They brought him to my house, and from this came about what came about, yes What was, I have no words and I have no strength, no, these are spiritual words, spiritual words—it is impossible to.. yes It is entirely spiritual, entirely soul, entirely truth And Hashem arranged it, he.. the father and the mother and the family and the whole world fried me very much I was very fried [Ah, they fried, they fried] Yes, but I did not know what this was, I did not know why, I did not know If I had known then what I, what I see now [You would have asked for more] I would have, yes [More, bring, bring more humiliations]

Ah, I would have, I would have.. yes But blessed be Hashem I, I know my worth, that I am so, I do not want that.. that there should be.. That my sons should hear what I am saying, they think that their father is, is great, he is.. Nu, but I know the truth, it is hard for me, it was hard for me to accept "My dear student," yes And also "of you I said" At the time I found the.. the Petek, there were elderly men of our people — anshay shlomaynu — in Yerushalayim, Rav Shlomo Wexler [Naftali Cohen] And other elderly men, yes, Naftali Cohen and Rav Nassan, Rav Nassan son, son of Rav Pinchas Yeshayahu, Rav Nassan Who.. Gitl'eh, he took Gitl'eh, yes, he was.. Breslov, true Breslov, Breslov, not, not, not just ordinary Breslov [Does he also know of the Petek? Does he know of the Petek?] Rav Nassan? I do not know, I do not know, I do not, I do not remember, but.. But this I am certain of, that I showed it to Rav Shlomo, yes, like now I see it as, as now, we (not understood) Naftali Just as we are now sitting here now here, and so we sat By {the cabinet with books, yes, next to one another} And there was a great distance, I was nothing, and he was a man of great intellect And he had great honor, yes, he was a holy man I actually, I lived with him, I saw how he eats, then I had, and I had a wonder How does he live? How does he exist in the world? How does he live? How does he subsist? I saw what.. how he eats with such holiness Yes, not, not ordinarily as we eat, he was something.. yes But even so, even so There was in him the nature of the country {by the..} he was from Germany

And there no, they have matters of stubbornness, of, that not.. That they are stubborn in their opinion and it is impossible, impossible to change them There is, there is (not understood) [I have hope, I was born, I was born in Eretz Yisroel and my parents are also from Germany Do I have hope of getting out of this? I hope that I have hope] In any case, even from Germany they can.. [By Rabbainu, by Rabbainu it is possible] But, but they can err, they can err [..] He, he did not travel to Rabbainu, he could have, he had money, he could have traveled, yes But he, he was a great lamdan, he was well-versed and wise in Torah and he, he, he was by him.. He decided a law, a law, a Torah law that it is forbidden to leave Eretz Yisroel, yoy But there are matters, yes, it is forbidden But it is written explicitly regarding a Rebbe, if he has outside Eretz Yisroel a Rebbe, a Rebbe more preeminent than one in Eretz Yisroel, he may.. And in any case [Rabbainu, for every single generation, is the preeminent Rebbe until the coming of Mashiach] (not understood) [And after the coming of Mashiach] But I was together with him, but.. and I knew that he had a shortcoming, but it is impossible to get him out of this Yes, so... yes, I gave him like this, I saw from Rav Shlomo like this, only without saying, yes I sit together with him and speak with him about everything that really.. What I understood that one does not need to accept, then it had no value at all, I did not accept what What I understood, that this is not, not.. yes The entire matter of Rabbainu is beyond nature Every utterance that he revealed, even what already exists (not understood) but this, this that came out of his mouth His Torah teachings, the world does not know, they think that this is.. "Noam Elimelech," this is holiness, "Kedushas Levi " from the Rav of Berditchev

What, what? Was he greater than the "Kedushas Levi"? Yes, the world does not.. yes There is another book, there is "Likutay Moharan" too, just as there is "Kedushas Levi" "Noam Elimelech," so there is "Likutay Moharan" But this is a special matter.. This, this the holy Rabbainu said: "I, I am a secret from all the world" Even the Rav of Berditchev was a gaon and a tzaddik, yes And the holy Rabbainu praised him But, but if he had known of Rabbainu, he was a secret If he had known of Rabbainu, he would have been like Rebbe Nassan, a disciple, a disciple of Rabbainu in utter self-nullification, yes, but this is how it was for him, yes—that he was the greatest of the generation, that he was the glory of the generation, yes But there are hidden matters, spiritual matters, there are wondrous matters hidden from the world, yes, yes And this is the matter of Rabbainu; every soul that merits to draw close to Rabbainu in truth, this is a wondrous matter Because, because, because the holy Rabbainu has dealings with each and every one He, he guides him as one needs to, as one needs to guide him, yes Each and every one, this is a matter.. The holy Rabbainu speaks of this in "Likutay Moharan," in "Likutay Moharan" He, he explains the verse: "These are the words that Moshe spoke to all Israel," do you remember this? [In which Torah?] Every utterance of the tzaddik [Yes] In every, in every utterance he, he speaks one utterance, and he, he, and you receive [Ah, what you need] What you need, yes He is like this: in the utterance of the tzaddik, each one, he.. [..] It contains everything, all, all that each one needs, in one utterance, yes, yes And the holy Rabbainu explains this verse, a verse in Devarim.. [Yes, "These are the words"] "These are the words that Moshe spoke to all Israel"

The words that Moshe spoke? To all Israel, each one what he needs! "To all Israel" "To all Israel" Each one finds what he needs, yes Oy vey, oy… ...and I too am a simple man I am immersed in everything, in the desire for eating, I, I did not eat [You are sick, you are sick now, dangerously ill] Now, but before, there was, I, I do not, I do not want to become so publicized, who am I? [Ah, but truly..] What. What? Truly? [Didn't you ever try to get away a little from eating, a little? Surely you tried] Like this, I had a will [Nu, blessed be Hashem..] But.. but.. [The main thing is the will, with Rabbainu, the will is the main thing] But.. [Will, will, will is a great thing with Rabbainu] I had a will, but not... There are matters that it is forbidden to reveal, that it is forbidden.. yes [This is Rabbainu's greatness] Yes [You are Rabbainu's greatness] Yes, yes [On the contrary, on the contrary, this is the greatness] Yes, yes, this [That Rabbainu descended to you and he can say..] "My dear student" ["My dear student"] "My dear student", the Petek could have been without "my dear student", "It was very difficult for me to descend to you to tell you" What is this? In the middle he adds "my dear student"? [This is the will, this is the will, this is the will, this is your will] What is this? [This is your will] Nu, nu, can a human being accept this? What? He is not a scholar, he is not, he is a simple man What? "My dear student"? "And about you I said"? Yes, like, like me, as I know He, he also thinks this, ah, this ought to be Levi Yitzchak The Petek should have been for Levi Yitzchak, but not Yisroel Ber

From this one sees such encouragement, that the holy Rabbainu. As with Hashem, it is written, there is a verse: “I dwell with the crushed one” — whoever is crushed, yes, to the uttermost crush, the most crushed, crushed, crushed, yes “I dwell with the crushed one” And so.. And Rebbe Nassan, Rebbe Nassan was before him in ultimate self-nullification He saw holi.. the light of Rabbainu, the holiness of Rabbainu, he.. So he, he was in such humility, and it was also hard for him to accept “My dear student,” yes Rebbe Nassan, Rebbe Nassan was before him zero and nothing Because it is impossible to be without Rabbainu, the holy Rabbainu, he, he, he.. He saw the greatness of Rabbainu, so he nullified himself completely!, yes, yes He had no, no, no thought of honor, of, of pride, of.. I, I, I am a student of the holy Rabbainu, I merit to hear such Torah teachings, such stories And he was zero and nothing, he understood that he was completely far from Hashem Compared to Rabbainu? He.. yes Yes, but he was a gaon, but I, I am nothing, I am completely.. On the contrary he, he was humble, this, this (I do not understand) this is great wisdom Would such a man be, be zero and nothing? How is this? This is beyond nature; this—the holy Rabbainu shone upon him; the holy Rabbainu {….} such a vessel, “I dwell with the crushed one,” that before him he would be zero and nothing, yes If not, then he cannot receive from Rabbainu, yes And I am truly zero and nothing, he was a gaon, but.. and I am truly nothing And this Petek came suddenly, without, without, without preparation, nothing There was an incident of the seventeenth of Tammuz, as is written in the Petek: “And a sign: the seventeenth of Tammuz” yes {…..}, I cannot tell you, what? I was in very great danger

This depressed, I was so depressed, that I was mentally ill And I fell into such sadness, into such brokenheartedness, that without a remedy, there is no, no, no remedy for this, there is none, yes I was from this like, like... and from this the Petek was created And the holy Rabbainu says in "Sefer HaMidos": "One who commits a transgression and is ashamed of it," and is ashamed of it, yes "He is forgiven for all his sins!" This is in "Sefer HaMidos" So the sorrow and the shame and the depression that I had from this, this, this, this was, was atoning for every iniq.. for every.. So says Rabbainu, so it is written in "Sefer HaMidos," so, so, so it is not, not surprising that he writes That he, that he speaks to me in such language: "My dear student," "and of you I said" I had such sorrow [shame] Yes, and also I could not have pride, I could not Because I recognized my own worth, (not understood) And also Rebbe Yisroel of blessed memory, Rebbe Yisroel of blessed memory was.. He knew me, he would defend me, yes, he was, he, he knew that I was nothing, yes And nevertheless he saw the humil.., I want And I, and I stand against all the wise men, against all the great ones and against.. yes, only.. yes So, so he, so this, this had more value for him than all, than all, than all the.. than all of them, yes And he accepted me like a gift, yes With all, with all, with all, with all heart, with all soul, with all.. yes, yes Because Rebbe Yisroel of blessed memory, if one gives, if one gives self-sacrifice, will this be worthwhile? A scholar, talented, (not understood) Yes, this Rebbe Yisroel was unique, without Rebbe Yisroel another person would not have, would not have mek.. so much.. what.. He would not have had such a connection with, what? with whom? (not understood)

Yes, but Rebbe Avraham son of Rebbe Nachman, if I had drawn close to him he would not have m.., he would have spoken with me, yes but, but not, but not in such a way as Rebbe Yisroel, with such a connection, yes [He had the power to see the, the matter of Rabbainu in you, the.. He already saw that he needed even to go to Teveria from Meron] Yes, yes [He was shown that there is a very special matter in Teveria] Yes, yes, yes, Hashem arranged that he.. [Yes] That he, that he instilled in him [Yes] Instilled in him a light so that he would know what it is, what it is [Yes, that there would be something special here for the future, something for all the Jewish people] Yes, yes, yes, yes [He certainly prayed for the redemption of the Jewish people all the time and for every matter] Certainly! He, he was.. [All the time he wanted to yearn, to find the point, what is lacking in it, the…] All his weeping in every, in every, in every.. was only for the Jewish people [What will be? What will be?] He felt the anguish of what it is, what it is These downfalls, the heresies and the false beliefs and the falsehood, this is worse than all, than all the suffering in the world And he gave over his soul to Hashem, he prayed about this Yes, that Hashem should have mercy, that Rabbainu's knowledge should be revealed in the world, and that everything should be.. (I do not understand) [Yes] Everything depends on Rabbainu, everything, all the Torah and the faith, and all our life in this world and in the World to Come It is only Rabbainu!, the world does not know this, yes They do not know that the holy Rabbainu is such a secret, he is such a wonder Even to a person he, he, he, he, he says that he is a Breslov chasid But does he, does he understand, " he is a Breslov chasid? There should be honor for Rabbainu, you should be a lamdan,

Gemara, poskim, yes But, but "Likutay Tfilos", "Likutay Moharan", "Likutay Halachos", this is not scholarship, yes This is chassidus", yes Also, yes, according to the holy Rabbainu, if one sees the light of the Gemara Of, of, of, of all, of all, of all the Torah, yes Kabbalah and everything, in "Likutay Halachos" there is already.. He, he connects Kabbalah with, with every ruling, with every ruling, with every.. yes And the world should be, be always constant in "Likutay Halachos"!, all the learners and the whole world Because one sees in it such wonders upon wonders, how he learned the Gemara, how he learned the Midrash how.. and.. yes and.. but the world does not know, they think, there is "Likutay Halachos" like.. What, what? What do I need "Likutay Halachos" for?, novelties, novelties of chassidus Of, of, of Kabbalah? This.. There are, Heaven forfend, those who say that we make idolatry of Rabbainu, so great, but.. this we do not.. What Rabbainu says, that what Rabbainu revealed, he revealed.. he revealed only a drop from the sea of his greatness, nothing This is hidden, hidden, but he lowers himself It is hard for me, "It was very difficult for me to descend to you" He lowers himself even to Yisroel Ber, "My dear student", "and of you I said" Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy Fortunate is one who.. the ears that hear such words There are none in the world, there is none, none, none, such words are not found in the world What I, that I received with mesiras nefesh from Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and from all, and from all our people The elders, the men of truth, not, not like today, today.. People, people who simply chase after honor and money and all the.. yes, yes

This is darkness! [Someone at the door] {...}… ...You do not know, quite the contrary, I do not intend that I, that I, that I am a secret, that I, that I.. Quite the contrary, I intend the truth, that I, that I.. At such a level, that I am ashamed even to speak, yes And the holy Rabbainu is as it is written in Hallel: "From the refuse heap," from the refuse heap, what is this? This is from the refuse heap, "from the refuse heap He raises the destitute" the destitute.. [You found "Hishtapchus HaNefesh" in the refuse heap] From the refuse heap, yes, 'He raises the destitute' The destitute is truly destitute, destitute of Torah and of good deeds and of everything, in wisdom, and that is it, yes yes, "He raises the poor from the dust," 'He raises from the dust,' from the dust, there is nothing lower than dust Dust is.. sadness, it, it is called by the name 'dust' 'Dust' is sadness, it is.. laziness and sadness are dust "He raises the poor from the dust" 'Poor' is truly—he has nothing, the poor man has no, has no, has nothing, yes "He raises the poor from the dust" And further, and even more.. [From the refuse heap] "From the refuse heap He raises the destitute," 'He raises the destitute,' it seems that the destitute is more than the poor "From the refuse heap He raises the destitute," yes, yes… ...One sees, one sees how one can.. we see now that our connection, which was between me and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) This was a preparation, a preparation for now Everything I suffered, it was all for the wedding, (I do not understand) And also the Petek, the Petek is also, it is also among the wondrous things That it is impossible to accept, that it is impossible to understand, that it is impossible to.. yes And the matter of the Petek, and this was all Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) Without Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), there would have been no Yisroel Ber, there would have been no Petek, there would have been nothing No, there would have been no seventeenth of Tammuz and there would have been no.. [They say that people make idolatry out of the Petek] Yes

[But what are we doing? We want a printing press to print Rabbainu’s da’as in the world We have no interest whatsoever in publicizing ourselves, Heaven forbid; the publicizing of the Petek] Nu [is only for the sake of bringing Rabbainu’s wisdom to the world] Yes [To illuminate the world with his wisdom] Yes, yes, certainly [And the whole Petek and the whole secret of the Petek is principally in the matter of printing, principally the printing, right? It is the principal, principal, principal secret—that the world will be filled..] The holy Rabbainu is, he, he, the printing, that there should spread.. [Yes] his wisdom in the world, that the time should come when they accept If the world were to accept Rabbainu as leader, so that they would know that he is the true leader, yes The world would already have been—long ago the world would have been completely rectified; the coming of Mashiach would already have been, and there would already have been the.. yes Everything depends on Rabbainu, yes And this we do not understand. It may be that Rabbainu will be revealed that there will draw close, that there will draw close such souls who have a great mind, who will be able to.. One person can draw millions close to Rabbainu through his speech then everyone, everyone, oy, oy, oy, oy, “Na Nach Nachma Nachman,” yes Everyone will cast aside all the money and all the desires and all.. We want, we want.. [Rabbainu said, but only Mashiach will be able after him to draw the whole world close It will be Mashiach Tzidkaynu, who will have the power of speech] These are hidden matters. Everything, everything depends on Rabbainu [If a soul is found, this is certainly…] The holy Rabbainu says: “The coming of Mashiach..” [Yes] Yes, in “Sefer HaMidos” [Yes] “The coming of Mashiach depends on drawing close, on drawing close to the tzaddik, to the tzaddikim” [To the tzaddikim] Yes, we see that this, this, this will bring, will bring the redemption, will bring the coming of Mashiach

That there are things that we do not attain and do not understand, yes But the whole world, they are completely distant; the fact that the world is distant from the Torah, from all.. All, all the secular people and all those who are distant and all the transgressors This is all because the holy Rabbainu is, {the Shechinah in exile} That the holy Rabbainu is makhi.. he, he.. The world does not, does not know and does not want to know; they, they want the desires, but.. But when the time comes and they will feel and know that everything is nothing, vanity That not.. all the desires and all the money and all the gold, like the country of wealth in the "Ba'al Tefillah" [Could a person come whom it is possible to draw close to Rabbainu who, before Mashiach Tzidkaynu, will draw thousands close to Rabbainu, before Mashiach comes?] Yes, yes, yes [Through speech he will bring close to Rabbainu] We see now that the whole world is drawing themselves to Rabbainu; they are nullifying themselves before Rabbainu The secular people should have distanced themselves from Rabbainu completely; they should have nullified him What? He says: "Wisdoms are nothing, {{{…...}}} is nothing and.. Only, only Torah and prayer?", only.. [….] What?, but, but we see, ho, this is the "Ba'al Tefillah"; he is such a philosopher, they are completely nullified; they see his conversations and his Torah teachings Even according to, according to their place, they feel, ho, there was no such wise man in the world, such a philosopher Yes, they are nullified, they... he, he makes them dust, dust and ashes, yes As in his lifetime, the Maskilim in Uman.. [Yes, yes] They were completely nullified, they were completely nullified, and Hirsh Ber.. [Hirsh Ber] He was, he was their head and he was an apikores; they were all such apikoresim, yes And the holy Rabbainu, they wanted, they, they were completely nullified, yes

And also we saw in the world, even at this time, before, before, fifty years ago There was Hillel Zeitlin and more, and more great wise men, writers And they all, they all.. [Martin Buber] Were nullified, were nullified before Rabbainu [Yes] Martin Buber, (I do not understand) Hillel Zeitlin, he was a philosopher [But he truly made complete teshuvah, yes?] Yes, certainly, and he was in Uman for Rosh HaShanah…