Tape 5, Side B

...[…] Yes [This could be a great sanctification of Hashem's Name] And also the heads of the yeshivas, the administrators and the.. [Yes, the teachers..] The teachers, also? [Yes, the teachers certainly, this is the day, this is the day the school year ends] The end, the end of the school year, the vacation begins [The vacation, yes, so all the grades from first through sixth] Yes [Before high school, before, through sixth] And where are the children? [Up to bar mitzvah age, almost, from age nine to twelve] Good, good, good, nu Yes, children, children, this is new, new ones, yes This also, they are still not so immersed in the cravings, nu, yes, they can receive, yes Yes, nu, we will sit here… ...Oy, oy, baruch Hashem, oy, baruch Hashem, baruch Hashem And every time.. oy.. This matter of Rabbainu is an exceedingly awesome matter I merited to be with Rebbe Yisroel for approximately close to five years, it is not a month, it is not a year And the main thing with him is that one can live together for seventy years, with nothing The main thing is the self-sacrifice, the faith, the will, the suffering that I suffered, that I suffered for this This is the main thing, this is the main thing of all, yes And the Gemara, there is a Gemara, there is a verse in Tanach: "Even my wisdom remained with me" Like this, there is a verse, in the verse, and the Gemara speaks about this verse And she, and she explains, and she found, the Gemara, the holy tzaddikim in the Gemara, the Tannaim, the Amoraim, yes They found such a thing, what are we? We know nothing "Even my wisdom remained with me", what, what? Yes We believe that there are secrets in the Torah, there are.. but we do not know And the Gemara, he, he illuminates our eyes in the Torah, she explains.. You do not know what the meaning is? "Even my wisdom remained with me"

The Torah that is in af, that one suffers, and he rules over you and there are, there are troubles, there is wrath and.. The Torah that is in af, this is what remained with me The af, that is in af "Even my wisdom remained with me" this is not af.. [Long-suffering] Slow to anger, yes, yes, "Even my wisdom remained with me" The Torah that is in af, for which one suffers, yes […….] This, this stands forever, this is 'remained with me' Through this there is also {word}, one merits prayer and one merits holding one’s ground This is the main thing - the Torah that is in af Of self-sacrifice that one suffers, and what I suffered, it was, it was one ti.. one time, one-time It is not at every at-time that miracles occurs, not every time is there such a matter of Yisroel Ber and Rebbe Yisroel and great, and great ones, a story {to tell} Yes, this is not, this is not, this.. hints, every matter of holiness In particular regarding Rebbe Yisroel, there was no connection between us, not for anything, not for money On the contrary, I suffered from it, and I thought that I would not hold out, yes, yes I did not want to live, what is this? What kind of life is this? Yes.. But when I heard Rebbe Yisroel praying, when I saw from Rebbe Yisroel some utterance and saw some deed Such deeds, that they cannot accept this Beyond nature [Did you eat breakfast?] […….] So.. nu, this is certainly good, and baruch Hashem we see that this, it has permanence This was in the days of Rebbe Yisroel, there was some years, time, passed And it passed and it endures, the time passed, but this is a matter of self-sacrifice, it endures This, this produces such effects in our hearts And also she goes and awakens, there is in the air in this world, she comes It comes to some person and seizes him, come, what, what, what are you running for? What, what, what is there? What is there?

Why.. yes, what? Yes This is drawn, the holy Rabbainu said: "Whoever has some thought of repentance, this is drawn from me," so it was if the holy Rabbainu, this.. yes So all the thoughts of repen.. We now see many ba'alay teshuvah, this is also a sign of the redemption Because every thought of repentance will be drawn from Rabbainu Even though they do not know, even though they do not know from where, it is in a person, yes But.. And this power of Rabbainu exists in the world, and he, and he accomplishes things, and he does not give rest, what? Yes Oy vey, oy.. The world does not know what this is, they do not know and do not know As the holy Rabbainu is already present in the world, and if he is already present in the world Then there is a Master of the House for the world, only they do not know, so it is hidden, but, but there is Yes, there already is, there already is a Master of the House for the world, there will be, the time will come when it will be revealed, wh.. yes The time of the wedding, everything has an end, the end will come, the time will come The time of the wedding will come, yes, then there will be a wedding We do not understand at all, we know what.. what.. If there had not been the dispute over the Ba'al Shem Tov The Ba'al Shem Tov was the tzaddik {of the generation}, the holy Rabbainu said about the Ba'al Shem Tov that he was.. But the holy Rabbainu is a special matter, it is a matter, it is a matter Yes, and the world does not know of this, also the Breslov Chassidim do not.. even Levi Yitzchak The holy Rabbainu said: "To know of me, I am a secret from all the world Only Rebbe Nassan, Rebbe Nassan and Rebbe Naftali a little" So there is, one can, one can two, two.. One can say about this two, two kinds, two simple kinds Only, only Rebbe Nassan "To know of me, only Rebbe Nassan," Rebbe Nassan, he, he knew a little, a little

He knew of Rabbainu, Rebbe Nassan, he knew a little So, so there are two... One can interpret it this way: "To know of me, it is only Rebbe Nassan, and Naftali.. The holy Rabbainu does not say "Rebbe" Naftali, only Nassan Naftali a little, Rebbe Nassan knows, and Rebbe Naftali knows a little" One can interpret it this way This is what Rabbainu says, only.. we say Rebbe N.. only Rebbe Nassan, Rebbe Naftali a little So Rebbe Naftali, Rebbe Nassan knows and Rebbe Naftali a little One can say a little about both of them Only Nassan and Naftali, Nassan and Naftali a little, yes Both a little And this.. and both are true And Rebbe Nassan, what Rebbe Nassan knew, no, Rebbe Naftali did not know, did not attain Rebbe Naft.. Rebbe Nassan was Yehoshua, Moshe and Yehoshua, and this is a special matter, yes But Rebbe Naftali, he was also, he was a companion of Rebbe Yisr.. of Rebbe Nassan They were, they grew up in Nemirov, they were born in Nemirov [Also Rebbe Naftali?] Rebbe, Rebbe Naftali, yes, both of them, both of them, and they were friends And they were great Torah scholars, they, they were yiray Hashem, servants of Hashem Rebbe Naftali drew close to Rabbainu first, so Rebbe Nassan felt that he, he was nothing His "shalom aleichem," his {thanks}, this is.. he, he was ashamed before him, he nullified himself, what is this? So, so he, he knew that he, that he knows of Rabbainu, that he is with Rabbainu, and this is another matter, he felt, and also there was in Nemirov, there was someone close to Rabbainu, Rebbe, Rebbe Lifl, Rebbe Lifl He was also one of Rabbainu's people, he was.. Whoever merited to draw close to Rabbainu, it was an entirely different matter, like.. There are, there are two things in the world, there is the world and there is Rabbainu, this is a special matter

Rebbe Lippel was, this was a large city, Nemirov, yes And there were Torah greats, studying about, about the.. no, not like today, there were servants of Hashem and scholars But the matter of Rabbainu is, it is another matter, a secret from all the worlds This is a special matter, {this is a thing} it is a big thing to say as the world does, there are tzaddikim and there are Hasidim and there are.. And there are, and there are several kin.. This is not ordinary, this is a matter... there are geniuses, but this is an entirely different matter, yes The holy Rabbainu is an entirely different matter He saw in the Torah what all, all the tzaddikim did not see He attained in the Torah, in every verse, as the Gemara explains in this verse {…..} The Gemara {….}, interprets the Torah, we, in the Torah we know nothing We know how, how are tzitzis? How does one make tzitzis? Only from the Gemara, yes, I.. "And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand" Nu, 'I hereby intend, in putting on tefillin, to fulfill the commandment of my Creator, Who commanded us to put on tefillin' How did He command us? Where did He command us? As it is written: "And you shall bind them as a sign, and you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as totafos between your eyes" Nu, we know perhaps tefillin of gold, or of silver, or of.. This, why is it specifically, specifically these four passages? "Shema Yisroel".. there are, in the Torah there are many passages, from where do we know? The Gemara, the tzaddikim [Yes] And one sees that the holy Rabbainu is a special matter And one sees that the world, even Breslov Hasidim, the scholars, they, they think this is a kind of Hasidism, the "Likutei Halachos" is, it is not, this can.. if not, if, if, if one is not proficient in Gemara then… in Gemara and the poskim, yes, then what, what, this is not, this they can.. "Likutei Halachos" is nothing, "Likutei Tefillos" is nothing

"Likutei Moharan" is nothing These are Hasidic books, but to study, to be a scholar, that is, that is "Gemara, Gemara" Yes, that is how the world is But the holy Rabbainu is present, they know nothing The "Likutei Halachos" on all four parts of the 'Shulchan Aruch' It, it, it, it, it illuminates our eyes in the entire Torah, what there is in "Likutei Halachos" and the world pays no attention, even if they study, they do not see, they, they, they are blind They do not know the value, they, they do not.. they, they are doing a favor, studying the book As one studies "Noam Elimelech" and all the books, he studies, he studies "Likutei Halachos", yes [I have a phone call, one moment]… ...the matter of the holy Rabbainu, that Hashem causes that mer.. that there are souls drawing close to Rabbainu But not all souls are alike.. even in Rabbainu's time not all souls, they were all holy tzaddikim, but each one is a world unto himself, and the holy Rabbainu, and the holy Rabbainu through his Torah He illuminated in the heart of each one what he needs, what he needs for his eternal purpose To recognize Hashem, each one has a special matter, {not as..} And the true leader-tzaddik knows, that this needs, that needs, they need to guide him in such a manner And this.. not everyone is alike, Breslov, Breslov, Breslov, yes And also Rebbe Nassan was a friend of Rebbe Naftali, and Rebbe Naftali was a miracle worker, yes [He was a shaliach tzibbur..] Rebbe Naftali was a miracle worker [He was a baal tefillah in..] Rebbe Naftali? He was a baal tefillah? [No, he was.. I mean a shaliach tzibbur many times, no? He was, in Rabbainu's minyan he was..] Rebbe Naftali? [Yes] I, I do not know

[Ah, I thought] Maybe there is, I do not, I do not know By Rabbainu there were such cantors, such prayer leaders, each one was a great light, the likes of which does not exist in the world no, it was not for nothing that they stood, she stood, the world stood upon Breslov yes, And also, and also it is impossible to enter the King’s palace like this, with a belly of pride, b.. we need to cleanse ourselves.. You want "Likutei Mohar"an"? What for? If you {….} yes, then there is no, no, no, you do not belong here, yes Then you belong to Chabad, to Satmar, yes No, no, no Breslov And I do not know how.. it is truly.. the matter, the matter of Rabbainu is above nature I was not in the capacity, I am not saying in the capacity of humility I was the worst and the lowliest in the world, in Teveria, yes My father was poor and blind, in the utmost lowliness, in the utmost depression And I did not, did not see this world, and also in intellect I was not.. But I had, there are diamonds This one has such a virtue and there is, and there is, and this, this one has such beauty, has such a virtue, yes And they all have a special matter, yes Oy.. And I was the worst, but I had such a wise point That I merited to see and understand the truth, where the clear and pure truth is, and.. And I did not look at this world, at greatness and pride, and importance and fame On the contrary, I did not, it did not have for me v.. it had no value for me, only truth, yes Z{….} So I was wiser than everyone And also I chose Rabbainu, through the words of Rebbe Yisroel, that he.. Why Rebbe Yisroel? What is Rebbe Yisroel? There are many Rebbe Yisroels, what, what? But Rebbe Yisroel was unique in the Breslov world!

Yes, and I chose Rebbe Yisroel, and I cast off Rav Mottel, he was like a father to me He, he taught me and drew me close and supported me and lifted me up, yes So I should have continued with.. Rav Mottel, Rav Mottel says: "Breslov no!", then immediately, then.. And this, this is a sign that I, that I am wiser than Rav Mottel Rav Mottel was a genius and a Torah scholar and kosher and God-fearing and wise, and Yisroel Ber was nothing, like a fly, yes This, but this fly had such power that he, that he could stand against the whole world, yes What is this? Yes And everyone, I saw everyone always spoke about me, about Yisroel Ber, about Breslov And they themselves wondered, what is this? When one says once Breslov no, then, then it is finished, then it is finished, no.. They spoke and spoke, and spoke, it is a sign that there was {...}, yes Yes, that they did not, no, no, they had no rest, yes "Breslov, Breslov, Breslov” Yes, oy, oy, oy, oy, oy And this is a matter.. what? A person like me who has no value in the world No importance, no value, I have no, I have no intellect, I have no talents, I have no.. yes But I had some matter that I was.. That I left the whole world, Rav Mottel and all the great ones and all, and all.. even though, what? Who were you? What are you? Are you wiser than Rav Mottel? Than Rav Moshe Kliers? What is this? Yes, yes, yes, this, this is Yisroel Ber And the holy Rabbainu sent Rebbe Yisroel from Meron for me to Teveria, and what happened happened And also my mother, my mother died in Rebbe Yisroel’s house on Shabbat, the Sabbath day Why does he deserve such sorrow? And she too is for the good {……} she died, {…...} and through Breslov, because he is Breslov

And if there had not been resurrection of the dead, if, if she (does not understand) Then it would have been, God forbid, Rebbe Yisroel would have had, would have had no place in the world In Tzfas, in Teveria, everyone was, was, was, was angry and.. "What is Breslov? And they killed the mother of Yisroel Ber, he killed, murderer, murderers” Hashem Yisbarach arranged that I saw, Rebbe Yisroel and others, yes That there was a miracle of resurrection of the dead here, yes She died as is written regarding Sarah, the angel, the.. [Yes, he told her] He told her [About Yitzchak] You know? [Yesterday] Yes, it was a hair's breadth that Yitzchak, that he would slaughter him But she thought that he was already dead, that he had already slaughtered him, yes So, so her soul departed, she died, "And the life of Sarah was," after the Binding "And it came to pass after these things," begins "And the life of Sarah was" This is the passing of Sarah And she died from immense sorrow, yes The entire matter of Rabbainu is a matter of faith and a matter above nature Every soul that draws close, what passes over him passes over him Spiritually and physically, but it passes over him, the adversary does not allow.. The holy Rabbainu said, the holy Rabbainu said: "To draw close to me is very difficult!" What is this? [One of the friends recites the blessing "that everything came into being by His word.."] Amen There is a question: Why is it difficult? "One who comes to purify is assisted," why, why should it be difficult? I want to, why should it be difficult? Why should I suffer? But the holy Rabbainu said: "I love a fried chassid" [Oh, oh, oh, oh] This is the matter of Rabbainu, such a wondrous matter that does not exist in the world Me? Who am I? What am I? "My precious student" what, what? There is.. and one sees the greatness of Hashem Yisbarach, the greatness of the Creator, and the greatness of the Tzaddik, nu Moshe Kliers.. {did not see}

There were servants of Hashem, servants of Hashem, administrators, yeshiva administrators and elders who feared Hashem, servants of Hashem, yes [Did you show the note to Rav Alfandri, or did he not know about it?] Eh? [Was the matter with Rav Alfandri before the note?] Alfandri? [It was before the note] It was.. [Even before] Oy, oy.. [Before you met Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)] No [Afterward] After the passing of Rebbe Yisroel [You met Rav Alfandri] Yes [So did you tell him?] I did not tell him [You did not tell him] I did not tell him It was, at that time I was not interested in publicizing.. [You were concerned, you were concerned that this, the world would explode over this] Yes [Even, even, even he, even, even though he was a gaon and everything, you were concerned that he would not accept this?] No.. that is how it was.. [That is how it was] It was providence, no, without, without intention, without... [Ah, without intention] Yes, no, it did not occur to me to show him [Ah, to show him] Yes But without intention, without, without a reason, yes [Providence, that was how providence was] Yes And it could be that I made a mistake, if he had seen this But he too, he, he was not a Breslover, he, he could not accept this It is impossible, it is impossible to feel this [But did he have a great measure of humility?] Yes [He had a great measure of lowliness] Yes, yes, yes, but [There is..] But nevertheless [Nevertheless, this] But I did not, did not, I did not, did not speak about this, did not speak.. [Yes] About this, {…...} But everything I spoke with him was holy of holies, he would accept it and.. [About the book that..] He had self-nullification.. [About the book..]

He had self-effacement before me He is a gaon and an elder, and a great elder, and he is a wise man and he was renowned throughout the world, yes Alfandari, Alfandari, that is the whole.. [The whole world] The whole world, yes, like, like Fein.. more than Feinstein, yes, yes And he was, and he conducted himself toward me with reverential respect, with such self-effacement, with such love, yes, yes He was renowned, he was truth, a man of truth, and he sensed where there was no truth He told me, Rav Shlomo was a zealot, and there was a group of zealots [Yes, yes] He told me that he sees that they are all politics; only one, Rav Shlomo, he is.. And he told me, yes, like that [When Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld wanted to come to the synagogue in the Old City, Rav Yo..] Sonnenfeld, well [Ah.. Rav] He lived, he lived in "Batei Machseh" [That is not Rav Sonnenfeld] Under Rav Shlomo [….] {…} [Rav Kook, when he wanted to come to Breslov, then the zealots distanced him] Yes [From Breslov, and also, and also Rav Shlomo] Also Rav Shlomo [Also of Rav Shlomo] But he was in.. [But he was not a zealot like all the others; he was less zealous than all of them] He, he was a zealot, but in truth, not in politics, not.. [Not politics] Rav Kook said: "I am not afraid of any of them [But you drew close..] Only, only of Rav Shlomo" [Only Rav Shlomo] Yes, he said that, yes [But you did not even look at..] But, but.. [You did not even look at Rav Shlomo..] One can err, one can.. [You tried to draw Rav Kook close despite, despite the fact that Rav Shlomo also..] Yes, yes.. [You..] Yes, I went to Rav Kook even though Rav Shlomo was a zealot, I, this, this is a matter..

[You tried to draw him close] Yes [To Rabbainu] Yes, certainly, for this, for what [Yes, yes, certainly] I went to him [And you studied "Likutay Halachos" and Rabbainu's books with him] He, he.. I saw, I came to him and he honored me on account of the name Breslov, yes He did not speak with me about studies, about Gemara and.. he did not.. yes Maybe, I do not know, he did not.. {…} yes, but he understood, if there had been in me, like.. The power, the power of Torah, if I had had it, I would have spoken with him, from Gemara and this, and this, and this, yes He, he understood that I am not, not a great Torah scholar Only "my precious student" It is a wonder, such a wonder, and how I held on with Rebbe Yisroel for years How, how? [One sees..] It is such a power [One sees from Rabbainu..] All the powers in the world do not, do not, do not understand [One sees from Rabbainu that it is a gift; one sees from the note that Rabbainu took you, "my precious student" And it is a great gift not to be a scholar, not to be an intellectual; it is better that there is no intellect.. It is better that there is truth in the heart, without intellect..] {Without intellect} [Without sophistications] Yes [This one sees from the note, that it is a great gift not to be…] But…