Tape 60, Side A

...night, at midnight at the 'Western Wall'… ..."Without money? I, I wai.., I wait the whole month for Rosh Ch.., for the day of Rosh Chodesh when he will bring money"… ...Without olive oil, it is impossible Here? Is the olive oil here? [Yes] {...}… ...[The friends sing: "Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman meUman..”] [Shalom, Rebbe Yisroel Ber, shalom, the son of Sarah..] {..} [The son of Sarah, the son of Sarah] Ah? [The grandson of Rebbe Shimon Belcher.. Do you understand me? The son of Sarah, nu] My father did not have, he did not have money to pay the teacher, I came on Rosh Chodesh [Yoa] To cheder [Yoa] Without money [Indeed?] He said to me, the teacher: "I need to eat, I need {all this}, to eat, to buy to eat..” [Yoa] "What is this? How do they come, Rosh Chodesh {…}, come without money?" [Yoa, yoa] [Shalom, Saba, shalom, how are things? Saba] "On Rosh Chodesh they come without money?” [Shalom, Saba, how are you?] "I cannot wait any longer; when Rosh Chodesh comes, money" [….] "Without money, no, they do not come, they do not come, there is no, there is no cheder" [Rebbe Yisroel Ber, how are things? Rebbe Yisroel Ber, how are things?] Nu, nu, {...}.. [The son of Sarah, Sarah, Sarah] Ah? [The son of Sarah, Sarah, the son of Sarah, the son of Sarah] The son of Sarah? [Yes] [Where do you live?] [In Har Nof, you were already at my house] I was at your house? [Yes] {….} [I once lived in ‘Beis Yisroel,’ do you remember that I lived in ‘Beis Yisroel’? ‘Beis Yisroel’] {…} [The grandson of Rebbe Shimon Belcher, from Sarah, Sarah Gottlieb] Ah, right [She was a widow] Tovah, Tovel'e..

[What?] {…..} [Ve'ar] {….} the sister, {…} the daughter [Yes, yes, Tovah, Tovah] [….] [Shalom, Saba, how are you? How do you feel? Saba] I came, on Rosh Chodesh I came to cheder without money, he asked me, the Rebbe: ["Where is the money?”] "Where is the money?” [There is no money] [There is no money in Breslov, money for books, Saba, money for books] "Tell Father, I cannot wait any longer, only.., on Rosh Chodesh I need money" [That is what the teacher said?] [………] […..….] {Nu}, "On Rosh Chodesh they come without money?” ["How is there no money? How do they come without money?”] [Rebbe Shimon, your brother, do you remember Rebbe Shimon Belcher?] My brother? [Yes] {...} [Saba, this is Mother, my mother gave it, for Saba to perform a pidyon nefesh for her Shulamis bas Yaman, it is here, I will put this here] {Why is this?} [For a pidyon nefesh, Mother gave it, Shulamis bas Yaman, she does not feel well, she has a problem with her hand] Ah? [She goes to doctors and this, and they say perhaps there will be surgery, perhaps not, they do not know] Then give me paper [Paper?] {For.. for this} [For the money..] {…}, this will get lost [Ah, it will get lost] [Give him money in paper, perhaps] Is this money? [Yes..] Money, paper is money, paper, what is this mo..? What money is this? ["What money is paper?”] [Rebbe Yisroel Ber, I am going, good night, give me a blessing] I came to cheder [Yes, yes] Without money [Yes] It is impossible to understand the "taste" I had [Oy vey] And the Rebbe.. ["Where is the money?”] I arrived.. [Saba, I do not have] {} I arrived at cheder and I did not bring any money [Yes] {…….} [Rebbe Yisroel Ber, I am going, good night, give me a blessing]

[Saba, I don't have, I don't have in paper, I only have this, I don't have any more, I don't have in paper, I don't have paper] No? [I don't have, I don't have] This fell [Here] Shoyn [Shulamit bas Yaman.. wait, not like that, Saba, put it like this] {Here} [Here, yes] Here, {….} [Shulamit bas Yaman, Saba, that she shouldn't, that she shouldn't need doctors at all, Saba] “{…} Rosh Chodesh you didn't bring money {…….} money" [Yes] So I came without money [You arrived without money?] “{….} Rosh Chodesh you arrive without money?” I wait the whole month for, for this day [In order to learn by the rebbe? Saba, you would, you would bring him a sticker of "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman" a sticker instead of money, a sticker of "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman"] [Rebbe Yisroel Ber, good night, I'm going {…} good night] A good year, {nu, nu} [I told you, Sarah's son, the grandson of Rebbe Shimon Blecher] Ah [Sarah Gottlieb, do you remember Sarah?] {..…} your father? [My father is no longer alive, my father] No [Neither the mother nor the father] Ah, indeed? [Indeed, yes] And what do you do? [I learn a little.., I work, I work, I work] You work? [Yes, yes] Nu, this too is for the good [Do you remember the brother? Rebbe Shimon] Ho, ho, ho.. {yes} [He was a Karlin chassid] Yes, he wanted to kill me [What?] "Breslover" [Yes, yes, yes, good night, good night] A good year [Be healthy] Amen, you too [Amen] Come all the time [I'll come, I'll come, when are you coming to me for Shabbos? Once you were here on Shabbos, you ate cholent, and you said that the cholent was very good, {….}

Do you remember the cholent? Okay, good night] Ah [Good night, I'll come a little more] The brother, sister.. [Yes, yes, yes] Boruch Hashem [Boruch Hashem.. next week there is a bar mitzvah, do you want to come? On Tuesday there is a bar mitzvah, will you come?] If only, but I can't walk, can't walk [We'll bring you, do you want us to bring you?] I have legs, I have legs.. [Yes?] But I can't walk [If you want to come, we'll take you with a car, okay?] With a car? [Yes, yes] Nu, the car "on the street", needs fuel [Yes, we'll come take you, do you want to come to the bar mitzvah, should I tell them to take you?] {..}, will there be fuel? [Yes, yes, yes, {there will be}, so I'll come next week to take you?] Ah? [{…… to come} to the bar mitzvah?] If only I can [You'll be able to, you'll be able to] Okay, Boruch Hashem [Good night] A good year, a good year [Good night] How is Chaim Moshe? [Ho, Boruch Hashem, Chaim Moshe, Boruch Hashem] The Karliner? [Yes, yes, yes, the Karliner] I'm Breslov and he is Karliner [Yes, yes, yes, yes, he is a precious man Do you know that he wrote a Sefer Torah for the Chazon Ish, do you know?] Ah? [He wrote a Sefer Torah for the Chazon Ish] Yosef, Yosef [Yosef is no longer alive, Yosef, Yosef is no longer alive.. okay, good night] Good night [The gute.. (good)] A good year [A picture of my Saba] [What?] [The friends sing: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman.." (Saba rouses the friends)] [..from the side, ah..] [….] [From the father's side] [How are you? Saba]

[Ah, now I understand..] [……. Shimon Blecher, Shimon..] [Ah.. ah.. ah.. ah..] [Her Saba..] [...] My rebbe said to me: "Rosh Chodesh, {you will give me} money" Nu, {but}, "without money you don't , don't come on Rosh Chodesh, what, what, what did you come?” [If you want to learn you need money] "Tell Father that he should send me money {…} every Rosh Chodesh" [Rebbe Yisroel Ber..] [And in the end did he let you in?] [Do you want to come to a bar mitzvah next week? That we should bring you to the bar mitzvah, to meet the family?] {..} [..bar mitzvah, do you want to come next week, on Tuesday?] Yes [Will you come?] I want to come, I want to come [All right, we'll take you, God willing, {……}] {...} [{…..}, where is he? Where, he says, he says that you should bring him to the bar mitzvah, bring him on Tuesday, we'll make a time for him to sit there for a few minutes and.., he'll rejoice with the family..] Is the Teplik Rav no longer alive? Ah, hello, the Teplik Rav? [Chaim Yosef, Chaim Yosef..] Is the Teplik Rav no longer here? [{…}, which rav, which rav, which rav?] Ah? [Which rav {are you saying? Which rav did you say?] Teplik, Teplik [Ah, he is no longer alive, no longer alive, the Teplik Rav from ‘Beis Yisroel’ the Teplik Rav from ‘Beis Yisroel’, no, he is no longer alive, no longer alive] [What's the telephone?] [In the end did the rebbe teach you? Saba] Ah? [In the end did the rebbe teach you?] [7, 8] {..} [In the end did the rebbe teach you, when there was no money? Did he teach you in the end?] [7, 8, 4..] […….…] [……….] {……… bread} [So bring it, do you want to write it down.., on Tuesday..]

{……} [..to bring him, I'll tell you where it is..] [Ah?] [Ovadia Street..] {…..} [Do you know where Ovadia Street is? It's in the ‘Geula’ area..] {The mother} [There is a ‘Beis Bracha’ hall there] ..shilling [Write it down, bring him..] [Money, he wanted..] [That he should come next week on Tuesday..] [We don't understand, Saba] ..he brought mil, mil he brought [Ah..] {….} shilling.. [………..] […….….] [In.. in.. hall in..] [Ovadia Street, that's it, that's where it is, on Tuesday] [And in the end did he teach you? Saba] [In the evening] Ah? [In the end did he teach you?] [Tuesday..] [Did he teach you? Did he teach you in the end? The teacher, the rav, did he teach you in the end?] Who? The rav? [Yes, did he teach you?] When I came, he gave me five grosh {………………………} {………………………} [The soul understands..] [About two years..] [The soul understands, Boruch Hashem] [Maybe three, how is he? Fine..] ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman.."] {..I came}, he gave me the piastre.. {………} [Okay, good night, Rebbe Yisroel Ber, be healthy, Yisroel Ber, be healthy, why did you suddenly remember the Teplik Rav?] Who is this? [Chaim Yosef Gottlieb, Sarah's son] Ah? [Sarah's son, the grandson of Rebbe Shimon Blecher] Yes? [Yes, from ‘Beis Yisroel’] And this one? [He, he is one of your chassidim] [Oren Omsi] [Oren, Oren, Saba, Oren] [Oren, Oren] Oren? [Yes, yes] My grandson? [No, no, no] No? [No, tell me, why did you remember the Teplik Rav?] {..} [Why did you remember him?] {……to come} even like this [You see that I came, you see that I came]

{…….} [I will come more often, okay? I will come more often, okay?] Huh? [I will come more often, I will come more often, if Hashem wills I will come more often to see how you are Next week you will come to the bar mitzvah, okay? If Hashem wills] Yes, without a vow, I want to, {………..} [Yes] {……} bar mitzvah [Yes, you will come, if Hashem wills, shoyn, all right, good night, give me a blessing] A good year, a good year [Give me a blessing, give me a blessing] The Rav from Teplik is no longer here, {……} five piasta [Five piasta] He is no longer here? [There was a Tepliker Rebbe, he is talking about the Tepliker Rebbe, he was a rav in ‘Beis Yisroel’ We came back from Krias Shema, he remembers him, he was a gaon he was, a gaon So now he is talking about him, I did not know him..] {….} piasta [Tepliker, Teplik] {………..} [Yes, yes] [We do not understand, Saba, but if Saba says it in Yiddish] [We do not understand Yiddish, Saba] {…} piasta [All right, we do not know Yiddish, we need to learn Yiddish] [We need to come visit more often] {…} piasta [I will come, if Hashem wills] [Saba, we do not understand, we do not understand Yiddish] He gave me five groschen, I came, {I came to him}: "Do you have money to give me?” "Ahh, you need for bread, {I}, five groschen" [For the bread?] {Yes} [For the bread] [For the bread he gave you five groschen?] Five groschen for bread, he gave me five groschen The rav {...}, the Rav from Teplik [Saba, Saba, Saba…] He did not know that the five groschen, would live now […..] [You saw, ……. five groschen, until now he will live, with the five groschen

With five groschen you bought bread? Saba, you bought bread with five groschen?] Yes, and he.. [And you ate?] And he knew that I am not so much, not a liar, he saw my face, he.. [He saw..] Understood, {that I need} for bread, that they need to give five groschen, not less [For bread, and you bought bread?] Yes [Until now this bread, until now, until three hundred too, until.. Until without end, until Moshiach this bread, Saba, until Moshiach, until Moshiach] [They are looking for the owner of the Petek, Saba, they are looking for the owner of the Petek, they say, how old is the owner of the Petek?] How old? [One hundred, two hundred, how old? Do you remember that Avraham told you?] One hundred and ten [One hundred and ten?] Yes, you already know? [Yes, until Moshiach the bread will live, Saba, …... Moshiach] He does not know, the Rav from Teplik did not know, that the five groschen would be now, words from {...} I am telling , the Rav from Teplik gave me five groschen for bread [Was he a great tzaddik? Saba, Saba, was he a great tzaddik..?] Miracles, miracles, miracles, wondrous miracles [Wondrous miracles] [The friends sing: "Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman.." (Saba rouses the friends)] [………..] [That is how he sings, ………..] He was not a great opponent of Breslov [Who?] [Was he an opponent?] The rav, the Rav from Teplik [Was he an opponent? Saba] He was not, he was not a great opponent, of Breslov [Who is this?] Yes, the Rav from Teplik [And how did he give five groschen, if he is an opponent, and how did he give..] He gave me on Friday, on Thursday he gave me fi.. I went in to him , he gave me five groschen What, it is a wonder, a wonder [An opponent gave so that Saba would be until the coming of Moshiach]

He gave, the giving was a mil, one mil, he gave me five groschen [He says, this is the wonder, as if, because he was an opponent and nevertheless he gave five groschen] [The friends sing: "Our greatness and our glory, our righteous Moshiach will reveal.."] Ah, {……..} [What?] When I would go in, {….} immediately piasta, five piasta, five shillings [Five shillings, five groschen] Is this ‘Beis Yisroel’? No, this is not ‘Beis Yisroel’ [No] [What no, …… this is in Eretz Yisroel] [No, …….] [……..] [….….] How is the sister, the sister, Shimon's children? [Where are the girls, boys] Huh? [Whose sons? Saba] Sarah, Sarah's children? [Whose, your children?] Huh? [Which children? Which children?] [Which children? Which sons] [……] [I do not understand, Saba, Yiddish, I do not understand] Shimshon, Shimshon {…}, he, he is the husband wh.., her husband [Of whom?] Of Tova [Shimshon is Tova's husband? He is not here, Shimshon, Tova's husband] Not Shimshon [No, did not come] No, no, no, no, no, I remembered.. [The friends continue singing: "Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman.."] (Saba rouses the friends) [Saba, in two more days, when, Saba receives, received a Petek, this, years ago, in two more days or tomorrow? The Petek that Saba received, how much? The seventeenth of Tammuz..] The seventeenth, the seventeenth of Tammuz [After how many days?] I ate before the prayer [Yes] I am ashamed to tell, miracles that I am alive I ate before the prayer, I did not drink water before the prayer [He would not drink water..] And I ate before the prayer, nu, nu A Petek was made [After how much time? After a week, Saba, right?

So now day.., now is a good time now, Saba, hillula, the hillula of the Petek now Yahrzeit, do they say yahrzeit?] […..] [The yahrzeit, the yahrzeit..] My brother Shimon wanted to murder me [Who, who? Saba] "What is this? Breslov, Breslov? Switching from Karlin to Breslov?” [And he wanted to murder you? Saba] [……] [He said: "Yehuda Shimon"] [...] [Who..? What happened? Saba, I did not hear, what happened? Saba] […..] [What happened? Saba, who wanted to murder you? Heaven forbid.. Yehuda Shimon?] "Switching from Karlin to Breslov" [Ah..] [From Karlin.., Karlin – Breslov? Everyone is Breslov, Saba] He wanted to murder me [Who is this? Saba, who is this?] {..} My brother Shimon, he said to me: "Do they switch Karlin for Breslov?" [What did you say to him? Saba, Saba, and what did you say to him?] Huh? [And what did you say to him?] That he should wait a little and he will know, know [The truth] The secret [He will know the secret] It is a secret He cannot understand this, "Do they switch Karlin for Breslov?” [{Oh, what}.. there is only, Saba, Chassidus, either Breslov, or Breslov, or Breslov] [Only Breslov] [There is, either Breslov, or Breslov, or Breslov] [Karlin..] ["Do they switch Karlin for Breslov?”] [Now there are.., Saba, there are now many, many drawing close to Rabbainu Everywhere, everyone, everyone wants books, wants stickers, people call to us at Rabbi Shimon: "Come dance, come dance, come dance" Once they would say to us: "Go, go” Today they say: "Come dance, come dance” People are looking for joy, and joy only in Breslov "sits" There are many troubles, livelihood, children, {..} want dancing, want joy]

[On Motzaei Shabbos, on Motzaei Shabbos] "It is a great mitzvah to always be joyful" [The friends sing: "It is a great mitzvah to always be joyful," "Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman meUman.." (Saba rouses the friends)] Nu, nu [Nu, nu] "Do they switch from Karlin to Breslov?” [Yes, {certainly}] ["Na Nach," "Na Nach Nachma Nachman meUman"] […...] [Saba, an opponent with five groschen made it for Saba until the coming of Moshiach, helped Saba th.., now there is Br.. The light of Rabbainu until the coming of Moshiach Once we were, some time ago, when we would distribute stickers of "Na Nach," people did not want them so much; now everyone says: "Bring, bring,” they want, want more now, stickers of "Na Nach Nachma Nachman.."] [Soon they will look for them, Saba, they will come from abroad, they will come from America {….} stickers They will want the stickers: “Where are the stickers?”] ["Where is Saba?” they ask: “Where is Saba?”] [Saba, they will buy a car, only so that there will be a sticker on the car, they will buy a car, only so that there will be a sticker] My brother Shimon cannot {understand\come to terms with}, this, this.. ["From Karlin to Breslov?"] Such a wonder, "Do they switch from Karlin to Breslov?” [Will it be good in the end? Saba, will it be good?] [Will it be good? What will be with us, will it be good?] [When will Moshiach come? Saba, when will Moshiach come?] [Saba, tell us about the dream with, with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), who said to..] I cannot speak ["Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman meUman.."] {….} t.., to hear such a thing? "Switching from Karlin to Breslov?” this is impossible to understand [It is impossible to understand] [How old was Saba?]

My father, my father, Shimon {he} is my brother, my father was Rav Odesser And I had a friend, Zalman Shazar, President Shazar [Zalman Shazar, the President?] [……] [Was he in Uman? Saba] He was my friend [I read a little in the book] {I..} alone, alone [Were you from the same city? From the same city? From the same city?..] [President Zalman Shazar, he was his friend] [……..] [Saba brought close.., Saba..] [………..] [………..] [Where did he see Saba? At Rebbe Shimon, right? Saba, President Zalman Shazar, Saba] Nu [He saw you at Rebbe Shimon, {..} it was a rainy day, there he met you the first time you became acquainted?] [Where did you become acquainted, Saba, with Zalman Shazar?] In Teveria [In Teveria] In Teveria [The first time in Teveria?] He came to Teveria in order to.. rest, he came to Teveria and found me {in Teveria} […..] He said to his people: "Do not {allow} any person in to me, even Ben-Gurion, when he comes, not..” he.. [He will not enter] He does not receive any person "Only one man, there is in Yerushalayim, in Mea Shearim, there is Yisroel Ber Odesser, only he, he, him he..” [And how did he know you?] "You can bring him to me, to me" […...] [And how did he know you? Saba] [….……] [……] Shimshon {El Chai}, Shimshon, dau.., son of Tovah [Not here] Ah? [He is not here, he is not here, Saba] Is he in the Upper World? [Who is Shimshon? Saba] Shimshon, Shimshon [We do not know him, but Shimon says that he is not here] [Which..?] Son of Tovah [Shimshon son of Tovah, he says] [….] [He is not here] Where, where is she..

[Who?] Where is he? [We do not know] Ah? [I do not know] I do not know […...] Ah, I need to sleep [Should I lift your legs? Saba] {What is this? Why ……..} [Saba, shalom, Saba, we are going..] {…...} [All the best, Saba, be healthy, may Hashem bless you, shalom, Saba] {….} cannot.. [Saba, shalom] To accept this wonder, how do they switch {….} from Karlin to Breslov? [Zayn gezunt (be healthy)] […….] […….] [Be healthy and strong] Amen, you too [Amen] Ah [Saba] Ah? [Saba, can you bless? Or tell Shimon?] Ah.. ah.. ah.. [Can Saba bless my sister? Efrat bas Shulamis] {Sister} [My sister, Efrat, Efrat bas Shulamis] {Which sister?} [My sister, I am Oren, Efrat bas Shulamis..] I, you.. [Oren] Who are you? [Oren, Saba, Oren] Oren? [Yes, can you bless Efrat bas Shulamis? Saba] I have no strength to speak [It is impossible to leave you, Saba, we love you very much, cannot leave you What should we do? Saba] Now, now, but before, fifty years ago they wanted to kill me [Now everyone loves you, in the merit of Rebbe Nachman, "Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman meUman"] [Goodbye, Saba] [………] […..….]… ...[The friends sing: "Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman meUman.."] ["It is a great mitzvah to always be joyful"] [Amen] [……] [……]… ...{……} {….} did not, did not merit, what, what one can merit [{Breslov}] The gifts that Hashem Yisborach gave him, and he threw them away "I do not want, no, {{this these gifts}}, I do not want"…

...He told me about, about {..} my grandson, no, how, what is his name? [Amram, Amram] [Amram] Ah.. [Amram] Amram, Amram, yoa, {Amram..} {….}, about Amram Levi, about.. {…... with Levites} And.. and the rav.. {the Jew}, the rav, ah.. of, of.. 'Batei Machaseh,' who, who is it? ['Batei Machaseh'] Ah.. ah.. [Who was in 'Batei Machaseh'..?] [Sonnenfeld] [Rav Sonnenfeld? No..] [….] [Was he in 'Batei Machaseh'? No..] [I do not know] Rav Sonnenfeld {…} Sonnenfeld […..] He said about, about.. [Amram] Amram Horowitz He, he said that he found in Yerushalayim, in 'Batei Machaseh,' found one child who would be a great man in Yisroel; so this was said about Amram [……..] [……..]… ...Do you sometimes come to Gadi? [Yes, yes]… ...{So many, so many} years [Gadi..]… ...Only the conversations of Rabbainu, of Rabbainu, I said: "This is my Rebbe" And everyone would mock and everyone would laugh, mock Yes, and Boruch Hashem until, until now I am strong, {in Breslov\Boruch Hashem} And no, I am not, not, not, not ashamed of them at all [Not ashamed……] […………]… ...I was lowly, lower than the earth And I suffered {{what I suffered}}, what is impossible to speak, to tell I saw the book, ah.. [“Hishtapchus..”] ["Hishtapchus HaNefesh"] "Sichos HaRan," "Sichos HaRan" {I} did not speak with anyone, I said: "This is my Rebbe, that is it"… ...And I had several trials, {…}, everyone would laugh and mock me very much And Boruch Hashem, Boruch Hashem Rav Alfandari, have you heard of Rav Alfandari? [Yes] Rav Alfandari was a great elder, a gaon, nu.., great, a world-renowned gaon

{He.. asked them} for me, that they should give me for bread, for bread {..} So they said to him: "I want, we want to fulfill everything you want, but this cannot Yisroel Ber? {….}, Yisroel Ber.. Odesser? No He studies Breslov books, we cannot accept him under any circumstances" And I did not have {bread} for little children, neither clothing nor money Oy, miracles, and we are alive, I and the children are alive, great miracles {indeed} {….}, but the greatness of the Creator, who can fathom it? I had a friend, a good friend, Reb Yom Tov Zlotnik, have you heard of him? "Shaarei Chesed," he was the merchant, selling beverages, and everyone bought from him, and he had And I told him: "I have no bread for the children” And he did not, did not give me anything and did not, and did not say anything to me Within a short time he contracted an illness, contracted an illness of the lung Nu, a young man, not so terrible, at any rate, he, he, he passed away and died He had great brothers, great ones in Israel, Zlotnik, Zlotnik This is a known thing, famous… ...{He was close …} But he had a beverage shop, and everyone, all of Rechavia, bought from him And I {was.., I did not have} {{bread for the children}} I came and told him: "I left the house and I do not have, {{no, no..}}, I did not leave money or {..} bread for the children" He heard this… ...{Ah.. and did not}, {..…} With great coldness, with coldness… ...And he, afterward I heard that he had passed away He was {…..} twenty-three years old, twenty-three… …{…}... ...{It is} miracles how I remained alive, I had no bread; a child aged, aged one year, passed away…