Tape 61, Side B

...[The friends sing: "He is called Na Naḥ Naḥma Naḥman meUman.." "All his life he did not laugh, so he showed him the Petek and he clutched his belly {……...} The next day he searched throughout throughout the city of Teveria And did not succeed in discovering how the Petek arrived And in the end he believed because he had no other choice And a guest arrived from Los Angeles, and there, an earthquake..”] [……..] [Saba, we have a guest who once lived in Los Angeles] [I was born in Los Angeles] [In America] [He was born there] [He was born in America, in Los Angeles] Nu [Here is the guest] Where is he? [Here, come, come, come, come] [Say hello to him] [They want Los Angeles, but……] [What, did you hear an earthquake] [Yes, why…..] I do not have the strength to speak [...money too?] [About what?] [Do you have property in Los Angeles?] [Ah] [A house?] [I do not, I do not have anything there, for many years I have not….] [Boruch Hashem] [Boruch Hashem] [No, you wanted to call you up as the prayer leader, so that you would say Kaddish] [Okay, I will daven Maariv now, all right?] [Maariv, Maariv] [We are here for a minyan] [Daven Maariv] [Yes, yes, yes, yes] [Daven Maariv] [Come on, Maariv, Maariv] [Saba, let us daven Maariv, Maariv, Saba] Ah? [Maariv, Maariv, let us daven..] Ah, ah? Maariv? [Yes] [Yo, yo, Maariv] Nu, nu [Nu, nu, nu] [Bring the hat, the hat] Ah? [The hat] Ah? [The hat, Saba] [……….] [……….] [Do you want to sit? Saba]… ...we are happy that the king is dying, because the king said to them: "No, I am guilty, I am guilty, I did not give him honor as was fitting for him, because of this I am dying"

[What happened? What happened with….?] [….…...] [……] The ministers said to the king when he was ill: "The Jews are happy that you are dying" So he said to them: "We are guilty, we are obligated, we did not give them the honor that they deserve, because of this I am dying" [………………..…] […..……….…..…]… ...[The friends play music and sing: "Na Naḥ Naḥma Naḥman meUman.." to the tune of "Bar Yochai, fortunate are you that you were anointed.." Afterward they sing: "Na Naḥ Naḥma Naḥman meUman.." Afterward they sing: "Na Naḥ Naḥma Naḥman meUman.." to a different tune (a Purim melody)] {…... what is this here?} [Nurit daughter of Rachel] Orit daughter of Rachel [Nurit, Nurit] Ah? [Nurit] Nurit daughter of Rachel [Yes, and Ilan son of Aliza] And Ilan son of.. [Aliza] Aliza [And all the family] And all the family [And all Yisroel] {…….} {….all the money} [……………..] [……………..] [The friends continue to sing: "It was very difficult for me to descend to you My precious student, to tell you that I enjoyed Your service very much, and concerning you I said My little fire will smolder until Mashiach comes; be strong and courageous In your service Na Naḥ Naḥma Naḥman meUman {And with this I shall reveal a secret to you, and it is: Full and heaped from line to line P'Tz'P'Tz'Y'H', and with strengthening in service} understand it And a sign: on the seventeenth of Tammuz they will say that you are not fasting..", to the tune of "Azamer Bishvachin.."] [Do not speak French] […] [Who said?] [Saba] [Yes?] [………] [………] [No, yesterday he said, do not speak French] [And when did he say that?] Ah.. ah.. ah.. [When did he say that? Yesterday?] [That is what I heard]

{You\ah, yes} [Suddenly?] [Yes] I do not know [How exactly did he say it?] [Do not speak …..] Now.. [Do not speak French] The feet on the bed [……] […...] [Abba..] [I will take the hat] On the bed [……………………...] [………….Yiddish……..] Ah, with whom is all the money? [..there is much to talk about, but..] Ah? [What? Saba] Ah? [The money is with Shimon, Saba] {With Shimon} [With Shimon, yes, shall I cover you with a blanket?] {Did you give it to him?} [What?] Did you give it to him? [Yes, yes, yes] [Is there here..?] Ah [Shall I put on a blanket? Saba, a blanket, a blanket] […..] What is this? [A blanket? Not to put it on?] {Ah, yes} [It is yours, Saba] ["It was very difficult for me to descend to you..”] Ay, oy vey [Good evening, Rebbe Yisroel] {..} [Yitzchak son of Najma, Rebbe Yisroel] Yitzchak son of Najma, {…...} [Amen] […….] [……] Ahh.. ah.. [Yes, Saba] Another half hour [Yes?] If I am cold {….} [Shall I put.., shall I give you another blanket?] {……..} [I have another special blanket, a good one, mine] Ah, good, good [Shall I bring, shall I bring it?] Yes, yes, yes [Shalom, Rebbe Yisroel] Shalom and blessing.. who is this? [This is Yaakov] Yaakov.. [Levi] Levi, do you live here? [Yes, I live in Tzfas] Ah [I am going home] This, this is not Tzfas? [Yes, yes, yes, this is Tzfas, I am going home, Rebbe Yisroel] Ah, ah […………] [……..….] [Rebbe Yisroel, good night] Good night [This is Yosef from Tzfas] Do you live in Tzfas? [Yes] Who is this? [This is Yosef from Tzfas] Yosef [Yes] [……………..…..] […………..…]… ...that he should do such things

[Oy vey] And lies, such lies [Oy vey, Hashem have mercy] So, as I am telling you [Yes, I know] That is it {..} [That is the truth] That is it [That is the truth] Truth [He said that..] Another person [Yes] Could think perhaps I am mistaken, perhaps it is.. [Yes] But I found it {..} [Yes] In the place, in its place [Yes] I remember the.. the page [Yes] Of the Gemara where it.. [Gemara, or "Likutay Halachos"? Saba] page 105, 25 [Gemara, or "Likutay Halachos"? Saba] in "Likutay Halachos" ["Likutay Halachos"] Page 25, the laws of "Krias Shema" [Yes?] Yes The laws of "Krias Shema" [He told me, he told me on the telephone..]… ...[Believes with complete faith, that is what the dentist said] Yes [Yes] Shall we go to him? [Yes, yes, in the morning, in the morning] In the morning [Yes]… ...this is a secret from the whole world, the geniuses and the great ones and the..{..}, the whole world [Yes] Only pride does not, does not, does not allow them [Yes, they also want Rabbainu, also the money] Ah [The honor, everything together Rebbe Nassan says in "Likutay Halachos": "It is impossible to have everything together; one needs humiliations"]… ...I will {tell\reveal} you [Yes] My life [Yes] A little [Yes, Saba] I have no desire at all, not desire for a woman, no, no desire at all, I am clean A thought, G-d forbid, can end in some {pasil\invalidity}, some.. No, I am completely clean, completely, like a ch.., a child who was born [Yes, I believe you, I also want, Saba] {{I am the son..}}, does not believe in me, how is it possible in this world, as long as a person is alive He has the evil inclination and all the desires [Yes]

{. .}, and I.. {..} I have no, I have no, no need to fight No, there is, there is no battle at all, any.. {…} My mind is holy, and it has no {pasil\invalidity}, no scent of the desires of this world; however much I tell you, it still does not, still does not reach a.. {{…}} small part [I,I feel it, Saba] Yes? [Yes, with you I feel, I feel that you are a secret from the whole world] There is no sh.. in me, how is such a thing possible? A person, as long as he is alive, wants all the desires—eating and.. {like this}, all the desires—and I have none, I have none.. . Desire sees, sees me, it flees, it flees I have no scent at all of {invalidity} of desire, only the food, no, but desire? Ah, {…} desire, when it sees me, it flees, {{…}}, does not know where [...] I have no desire at all, no scent of desire [Yes, Rabbainu said this: that whoever truly draws close to him..] Ah? [Rabbainu said that whoever draws close.., Rabbainu promised, Rabbainu also had no scent at all Rabbainu said: that whoever truly draws close to him, he will make him exactly like me] {{Like me.., yo, yo, yo, yo}}, {{. .}}, "exactly like me" [Without any scent of desire] I have no desire at all, desire for a woman, desire.. I have none, I do not need, I do not say "Tikkun HaKlali" [Yes] {If there is a Tikkun} [Saba, f.. from when..?] Every person, {{….}}.. [Yes] Needs sometimes [Yes] And I do not, do not say "Tikkun HaKlali," I do not need it [Saba, at what age, at what age had you already merited this? At what age?] At what age? [Yes] {{..}}, approximately, ah.. Approximately seventy, eighty

[Seventy, eighty] Approximately [Yes] Like that, ah.. [Ay.. ay.. ay..] [He said that he guards the covenant..] [Yes, yes, yes, ..., suddenly it disappeared.. Suddenly, Saba, Saba, did it suddenly flee?] No, no, with me it is not applicable, as though there is no desire in the world, as though.. there is none of this world Is there a person who is alive, who can live without desire? I, I {{..}} laugh at desire [Yes] Laugh at it [Yes] Go, go from me, {now}, I do not need you, go, go to.., just go [To the non-Jews, let it go to the non-Jews] No, there is no need even to shout [Yes] {..}, it flees by itself, I do not understand this [What is he saying?] […...] A person, by nature, even an old person has desire for.. this, this, this, {….} [Honor, honor, honor] And I, Boruch Hashem, freed myself from them, and am completely clean; I have no desire at all, for anything You did not know about this? [I, I felt it, I felt it, felt it, you.., yes] {Good} [I feel, I feel that you merited everything Rabbainu promised, all the promises The drasha geshank of Rabbainu, you received How, now, Saba, how does one do it? How does one do it? I, I also want, Saba, how does one do it?] I {not, and.. no, no}, cannot even speak of.. of this desire {at all}, at all I {..}, it stinks like, like a carcass [Yes] I cannot bear the smell of {{..}}.., of desire [Saba, I am far from this, I, I still have, I still have all the desires, Saba] I am completely clean, like a child who was born now I am completely clean How much a person needs to serve Hashem and pray much to Hashem and weep before Hashem that.. that he should emerge from desire

I already do not need any of this, I do not need to weep and shout [……….] [……] [Ah.. fortunate are you, Saba, fortunate are you, fortunate are you that you merited] The mind? [Fortunate are you that you merited all this] I got rid of them completely in life [In life] No, no need {{to do more}} [……] […...] I am clean like a dead person, I feel no desire at all [Yes] [……...…] […….…..] This is a matter for which there are no words, and there is no power in human hands to speak of it How is it possible that a person is alive in this world and has no desire at all, completely This, I myself wonder at myself: how is such a thing possible? A person, as long as he is alive, he has desires I got rid of them {..} completely in my lifetime [Ay.. ay.. ay..] No need to weep, no need to shout But I suffered much, I suffered much [Ay.. ay..ay..] Ah.. ah.. How is it possible that a person, while alive, has no desire at all Without weeping, without shouting, "Hashem Yisborach, have mercy on me, the desire does not, does not want to leave me" [Yes] I laugh at it As though there is no desire at all in the world, as though the world was created without desires [Saba, one moment, I want..] I am like a madman in this world [Yes] Like a madman [Yes] A man who has no {….}, no desire for anything at all, how is it possible? How is it possible? I {{..}} myself wonder at myself, how is it possible {to rid oneself} {Only to sp.., to this, ...}, only to speak {about this}, {yes, ..}, how is it possible? I have not heard, I have heard stories, like this, but th.., such a thing I have not heard That there is, that there should be a person in this world without desires [Only Rabbainu, Saba, only Rabbainu, Saba, Saba, only Rabbainu] Yes, certainly, certainly [Saba, you are a secret from the world, Saba, you are a secret, a secret, a secret of Rabbainu]

I am a unique man in this world [Yes] A unique man How is such a thing possible? That a person in his lifetime, who eats and sleeps and.. how did th.. {..}, desire leave me completely [Ahh.. oy, ah, ay..] As though I live in this world, in a world {}, completely without desires [Ah.. Saba, I also want, Saba.. to merit] I still do not understand how such a thing is possible, {…} this world, how is it possible to live without desires? {{. .}}, Boruch Hashem It seems to me that the whole world is mad [Yes] Only I, I {found} one man in the world [Yes, Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)] Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and the holy Rabbainu, {...} [Saba, was Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) also like this?] Ah? [Was he also like this?] Yes, he too was clean [Yes] Clean, clean, yes, but, but this that I, I do not understand How is it possible to live in the world completely without desires, how is it possible? [..] {The certificate ..} of mine, identity card, more than one hundred [Yes?] Yes [Oy, oy, oy.. Saba, this is a wonder, a great wonder] Yes [A great wonder] {Then} I wonder about myself, how is it possible to live? What is this? [Then you, I think, I think that you are now living, living for us, Saba You are now living for us, to draw us close too, us.. Saba, then perhaps, perhaps you are the gardener of Rabbainu? The gardener in "Sipuray Ma’asiyos," th.. from the garden where the gardener was lost and they brought in the three desires] I wonder, how is it possible to live in this world without desires? How is {this} possible? What? What world is this? Where am I? What is this? Is this my hand? [Yes] What is this? Bones and.. what is this? The body goes in the clothing of the world, yes, and there is no desire at all in it; what? What world is this? Where am I?

[What is he saying?] [He goes in the garment of this world] [Yes?] [But he does not have.., he is not from here at all, "What is this body?”] [...] [He asks: “What are these hands?”] [Yes, yes] "Is this flesh? Is this bones? Is thaat a sinew? But I go in this world, in the garment of this world, but I am not from this world at all”] [………] [He said that his mind, "it has no..”] How is such a thing possible? [Nothing at all, nothing, clean..] How is it possible to live without desires? There is no need to fight at all, I have no desire at all Someone who hears such a thing laughs, "What? Either dead, or, or {passed away}, or, or.. or dead" {Like someone, ah.. this is not} I am alive, and I have no, no desire, {...} I can speak words like these, how is it possible to speak words like these? {As long as the person is alive} Maybe you will go with me and we will be two, two madmen [If only..] In the world [If only, Saba, if only, if only, Saba, if only, I, I.., I also want I believe, believe with complete faith that through Rabbainu’s power..] {...} [It is possible] Only through Rabbainu’s power is it possible [Yes] Yes [Only through Rabbainu’s power] But th…