Oy — come to me — so through this you will draw close to the Holy One Blessed Be He — to Torah. Yes. And there will be for you a complete healing — a complete teshuvah. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Such has not yet been in the world — such Torah teachings — such stories — such conversations — such students — Rebbe Nassan. Rebbe Nassan — this is the student of the holy Rabbainu. Rebbe Nassan. And he was a gaon and a tzaddik — such a gaon. His father-in-law was a world-renowned gaon — Rebbe Dovid Tzvi. [Yes.] All the world — he was — he was the rabbi over — over a great area in Russia. More — more — the holy Rabbainu spoke about him. He was a gaon. The holy Rabbainu said to Rebbe Nassan: "Your father-in-law is a gaon and a tzaddik!" (Saba laughs.) He is not a gaon for his own sake — for a name — for honor — for… He is a gaon. And even so — he did not know of Rabbainu. He knew…

Who is this? Who is this? [Yisroel Meir.] Yisroel Meir? [Yoy.] (Saba laughs.) What is news from Russia? [Blessed be Hashem.] (Saba laughs.) Can one travel? [Yes — yes.] To Russia? [Soon there will be a plane to Kishinev.] Ah? [Soon — in two weeks' time there will be flights to Kishinev — Kishinev — Kishinev.] Kishinev? [Kishinev. (not understood — the friend speaks with Saba in Yiddish.)] (Saba laughs.) They will come — all the world will come to Uman — this — (not understood) — the miracles and wonders that will be at the time of redemption now — more — more than the redemption from Egypt. I saw this in the Zohar. [Yes.]

…That he should merit to raise him to Torah — to the wedding canopy — and to good deeds. [Amen.] And all salvations. [Amen.]

…Perhaps to give me some place to be there near the synagogue — to hear Kaddish and the… Yes. Ask him. [I will ask him.] Perhaps he — perhaps he will agree. [Fine — I will ask him.] Good.

…The Land of Yisroel is a holy land — we are a holy people. Yes. This is ours — all the world — they are — they are the land of the nations — not the Land of Yisroel. Only here — the Land of Yisroel. Yes. (Saba laughs.)

…I had some coins — some pennies. I gave to him — yes. And blessed be Hashem I paid him. But he gave me the book: "When you have money — bring it to me." Yes — like this it was. [All who have compassion on people — people have compassion on him.] All the beauty — such was the printing of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — there was such beauty — and the binding was. [And where is this now? Where is this now?] Ah? [Where is this?] I do not know. There was such a binding and such paper — one does not see such beauty. Yes. And blessed be Hashem — how the Holy One Blessed Be He had mercy upon me — and I found such a book — the printing of Rebbe N… of Rebbe Yisroel — such beauty and such a binding. And he gave me: "When you have money — bring it to me." He gave me it — he understood that I very much need this book. He understood this. And he had a battle in his heart. What — if he sells the book — there is none other. Everyone knew — they do not print — because no one buys. (Saba laughs.) Likutay Tfilos — who — who would say Likutay Tfilos? (Saba laughs.) [And did you use this? Rebbe Yisroel?] And he gave me the book — a strong battle. Yes. He — (a problem with the tape) — he could have earned much — because it was impossible to obtain — impossible to buy. So not — not did they print. I had Likutay Tfilos from several printings from outside the country. Yes. There was such beauty — such grace — such awakening. But I gave it away. Not — not did I keep it. I gave this as gifts for bar mitzvahs. There was — there were some books for me — three — two or three books. Yes — I bought and gave — I bought — and I have none — not one has remained for me. I gave as a gift to the people of our circle — bar mitzvah — bridegroom. So I gave gifts. And I remained without. There was — the printing was so beautiful — there was not — there was not… [You have no Likutay Tfilos.] And the book — {he could have} — and I loved the people of our circle. What? He has a bar mitzvah — and I will not give a gift? I have no money. I took a book of Likutay Tfilos and gave it to him. Shimon Anshin — do you know him? [Yes.] Ah? [Yes.] I gave him for his bar mitzvah — I gave him such a book of Likutay Tfilos. (Saba laughs.) This is already over seventy years now. Is it possible to contact my daughter Tziporah? [Yes.] Do you know the number? [Yes — yes.] Tell her that you saw me. [Yes.] And I greatly long to hear from them — what — what is their welfare — how is everyone. [Fine — fine.] If possible. [Yes — yes — possible — I — I will pass on the message to her — yes.]

…[They were the students of the Maggid. They were the students — the Noam Elimelech was the student of the Maggid of Mezeritch.] Of what? [Of the Maggid of Mezeritch — of the Maggid of Mezeritch — the Maggid — the great Maggid — the student of the Ba'al Shem Tov. So the Noam Elimelech was his student.] Yes? [Yes.] Of? [Of the Maggid.] Ah? [Of the Maggid of Mezeritch — the Maggid. Have you not heard of the Maggid? Rav Nachum of Chernobyl — great ones — great ones of the world.] Great ones. [So they were once in a house — in the synagogue — engaged in a passage in the Zohar — to understand the Zohar. And all — and they stood for many hours — many hours — and they did not manage to understand the Zohar. And in the afternoon Rebbe Zusha entered the beis medrash and asked them… So he saw that they were working hard and not understanding. So he asked them: "What — what is the problem?"] Yoy. [So they told him: that there is a difficult difficulty from the Zohar — and so — he asked them: "What is the difficulty?" So they told him — that is it. He went to a corner there — and began to weep before the Holy One Blessed Be He — that he wants to understand this. So — so Rebbe Shimon came to him and told him the answer.] Yes? [Yes — he told him all the answer. They did not see this. Rebbe Shimon came and told him the entire answer from the Zohar. Afterwards he went to them from the corner and told them the…] the explanation. [Rebbe Zusha — you are such a simple person — how do you know? So he said that he prayed to Hashem — he wept to Hashem.] (Saba laughs.) [So Rebbe Shimon came and told him the answer. Nu — how much one can merit through hisbodedus. They were wise and did not succeed.] I heard a story of Rebbe Zusha — he went wandering. [Exile — yes.] From city to city — they did not recognize him. [Yes.] And he sat at night and always there was Torah — and he learned. And there was one rich man who sent him — with his son — a breakfast. [Yes.] He sent him always — the rich man. The rich man knew that he was sending him every day. [Yes.] A good meal — a good thing — eggs and olives and butter. Yes — he was sending him a good meal. And Rebbe Zusha was saying to the Holy One Blessed Be He: "Master of the Universe — Zusha — Zusha is hungry. [Hungry.] Give him to eat." So the rich man heard how Rebbe Zusha says to the Holy One Blessed Be He. So he became angry: "What is this? I send him every day — and he says that Zusha is hungry — that He should give him to eat. What is this?" So he said: "If he asks from the Holy One Blessed Be He that He give him? Let the Holy One Blessed Be He give him — I will not give him." (Saba laughs.) So there was another rich man — he had a bad dream. So he said to the household: "His meal — let them send it to the synagogue — to this man." Yes — he is a Chassid and… Yes — let them send the meal. He wants to fast — so what he needs to eat — send it to Rebbe Zusha. (Saba laughs.) So he saw — he said: "I will not send to him — let the Holy One Blessed Be He give him." So there was another rich man who had a bad dream — and sent to Rebbe Zusha in the synagogue his meal. He was fasting — he said: "Give this to the synagogue — there is there a Torah scholar." [So he saw — that it is not he who determines.] Yes — yes. (Saba laughs.) He saw that they bring him a good meal to eat. [There was another story with Rebbe Zusha — do you hear?] Ah? [There was a story with Rebbe Zusha.] Yes. [There was a Jewish man outside the Land — whose father passed away.] He said — he was in the Land of Yisroel? [No — I don't know.] [How?] [There was a Jewish man outside the Land.] Nu. [Whose father passed away. And the father came to the son in a dream — that he has great troubles there in the Upper World.] Yes. [Great troubles — and all the time troubles. What is there? Show what is happening — why does he have troubles? Since he had been a tzaddik — so he went to…] To Rebbe Zusha. [No — he went to the Gaon of Vilna — he went to the Gaon of Vilna.] This is a story? [Yes. And then the Gaon of Vilna…] The deceased — this deceased? [No — the son of the deceased.] The son of the deceased. [Went to the Gaon of Vilna. He says that his father comes to him in a dream all the time and something is not right. So — so he went. And he had two sons — one went to Rebbe Zusha — one went to the Gaon of Vilna. This one who went to the Gaon of Vilna — so he told him — he told him an answer — he told him what had happened. He went to Rebbe Zusha — Rebbe Zusha told him: "Check by the grave — check by the grave — there is… What is it called — an idol of Christians — the cross."] Yes? [By the grave there is — that is why he has troubles.] Ah. ["Remove it — dig there in the ground and remove it." This is what Rebbe Zusha told him.] (Saba laughs.) [So they came to the Gaon of Vilna and told him — that Rebbe Zusha said this answer. So he said: "From where does Rebbe Zusha know? From where does Rebbe Zusha know?] Yoy. [He is not a Torah scholar — from where does he know? Well — I know — it is written in the Gemara.] Yes? [Yes — it is written in the Gemara — if there is something of idolaters — this is not — but from where does Rebbe Zusha know? From where does he know?" So Rebbe Zusha told him: "He knows from Rav Ashi — from Rav Ashi — from Abaye."] From Abaye. [But he knows from the Holy One Blessed Be He — directly from the Holy One Blessed Be He.] (Saba laughs.) [Whoever said it to Rav Ashi — said it also to him.] Yes. [He said of Rebbe Zusha — that he had ardor for twenty-one years.] Yes. [Do you know — it is written in Chayay Moharan?] {In the heart — in the heart.} First. [In one ardor — yes. Do you know — when Rebbe Zusha passed away — he stood to depart from the world — so his students asked him: "To whom shall we draw close?"] Yoy. [So he told them: "Go to the Rebbe before whom one confesses words."] (Saba laughs.) [They said: "What shall we do? To whom shall we go? We have no Rebbe — you." "Go to the Rebbe" — and therefore the Breslov Chassidim were called "Viduy-niks."]

…Great ones — elders — great ones. [But Admors.] And masters of Kabbalah and… Yes. They had yiras Shamayim. And I went to them — I did not yet know Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner). I went — and he loved me. He entered with me into his house and received me with love. But he was an opponent — all the Slonim Chassidim are opponents of Breslov. Afterwards — when I merited to draw close to Rebbe Yisroel — and I received all kinds of — all kinds of humiliations and degradations. He said to me: "If you feel that this brings into you yiras Shamayim and emunah — do not listen to Rav Motl (of Slonim) — to any person in the world." He said this to me — but in a whisper — not in front of everyone. [Who? Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner? Who said? Rebbe Yisroel?] Rav Liishka — Rav Liishka. [From Slonim?] There was one — this elder — who was greater than all of them. He said to me: "If you feel that this brings into you yiras Shamayim and emunah — do not listen — not to Rav Motl — and not to any… Not to the Rav — and not to…" Blessed be Hashem — this was for me a great strengthening — because the world is their world. Yes. [The opponents?] But he had in him some point of truth. He said to me — he reminded me — that I am searching for some truth — that I am searching for truth. So he said to me: "If you feel that this brings into you emunah and yiras Shamayim and fulfillment of the Torah — do not listen to anyone." [Yes.] Like this he said to me — but in a whisper. [And he told you — not to reveal.] By — by the Sea of Kinneret — by the mikveh. And there was not — only I and he. So he said to me — not — not told me that I should not reveal. [He did not tell you?] No — no — no — no. Only — only he — he did not say it in front of people. [In front of people.] He knew that I would not reveal — because what would I gain from this. [Only to lose.]

…And wonders greater than the Exodus from Egypt — that I had — how I merited to come out from all of them — and I overcame with strength and courage. And all of them fell from this. They saw the might — so they fell. They were all against me — and I suffered shame and degradations — such degradations. But there were good gifts. Oy voy.

(not understood) (Saba laughs.) No. [But do you want to write Rebbe Yisroel Odesser?] Ah? [Do you want to write Rebbe Yisroel Odesser — Rebbe — or just Yisroel Ber Odesser?] Yisroel Ber Odesser. [Shlita?] Yes. [Shlita?] Neiro ya'ir. [Neiro ya'ir — N"Y.] [Yisroel Dov — or Yisroel Ber?] Ah? Yisroel Ber. [Yisroel Ber Odesser.] Bais — Ayin — Reish — Yisroel Ber Odesser. [And N"Y.] As it is written — as President Shazar wrote. [Yes.] "Avi HaNachal" — this is the initial letters of Y'sroel B'er O'desser. (Saba laughs.) He was in Hebrew — it was Hebrew. He should have written Yisroel Dov Odesser — Yisroel Dov. No — he wrote it for me in Yiddish — Yisroel Ber. [Yes.] (Saba laughs.) [Saba — this — this is a two-hundred shekel note with the picture of Shazar.] (Saba laughs.) Good. I — perhaps you wanted me to print Avi HaNachal again — so I… [Wait — wait — wait — this is — this is of…] So — so I — so I — so I will distribute the photographs. Shazar and I — he had it made by a great expert from Germany. He brought this — it came out — he and I. (Saba laughs.) [Ah — in Yaakov's picture.] Yes. [This is at Yaakov's.] No — no — I did not tell of this. And now I — this will be a Kiddush Hashem — that all — all — every person — whoever buys the book will see that Shazar was — he {was} my friend. (Saba laughs.) [Good — Rebbe Yisroel Ber Odesser N"Y.] Yes. I made a wedding — a wedding for my son. I made a wedding. [Yes.] So he (Shazar) — he came to the wedding — from his office — to northern Tel Aviv — to some hotel. He came — he came. Yes. And Goldman was there — the head — the head of — of the Jewish Agency. He said to him: "It is impossible that you should travel — I am not — alone I am not — not able to finish alone — you must stay — be here!" So he said to him: "No — no — no — no — I must travel!" So he left him and he traveled. (Saba laughs.)

…A Breslov Chassid will write by him — on the Torah teachings and the prayers of Rabbainu — the writings of Rebbe Nachman. So the name for the book: "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman MiBreslov." [Saba — Saba — Rosh Chodesh Nissan is the birthday of Rabbainu.] Yoy. [Perhaps the book will be finished before that — if only.] If only — if only. (Saba laughs.) Yoy. The printers of the book — I want afterwards perhaps… [To print again.] After it is finished — to print again. [With Hashem's help we will print a million.] Ah? [With Hashem's help we will print millions.] Yes — yes. [Not a thousand.] Yes. [A thousand is a drop from the sea.] Every person will search for "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman." [Yes — with Hashem's help.] This name is very effective — "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman" — and this is the writings of Rebbe Nachman and his student Rebbe Nassan. [Yes.] "Kissvay Rebbe Nachman" — what — what is this? This is something very awesome. The President performed mesiras nefesh. [Yes.] He printed this — he gave it as a gift to the officials — to all the officials of his office and to all the Kness… He — he — he gave to all his friends — without money. (Saba laughs.) [Saba — is it possible to make a page of ilui neshama in the book?] Ah? [To make — to print an ilui neshama page in the book — at the end of the book?] Yes — for the ilui neshama of the President. [The President.] President Shazar. [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner?] Ah? [Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner — for the ilui neshama of Rebbe Yisroel?] This — this is separate and this is separate. The President — first of all the President. [In the book?] Afterwards… [But…] The holy names begin — Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and more — and more — and more. [Which — which more? You will think.] [Saba — is it possible to make an ilui neshama?] Ah? [An ilui neshama for relatives?] Yes — yes — yes. [At the end of the book.] Yes — at the end of the book. [And to donate amounts.] Yes — yes — yes — yes. [To help with the printing.] Good — at the end of the book. [Fine.] We will speak of this. [Fine.] Perhaps not — not — not to write the ilui neshama of the President. [Not to write.] Because they will stand up — [and there is also the opposition] — Yerushalayim in Meah Shearim — the Neturei Karta will stand up — and all. [Yes.] And they will say…

…How is it possible to say — this — that this is mine? That this is [they say that this is the handwriting of the Rebbe.] What a small man this is. [I heard that the cabinet was locked.] Ah? [The cabinet was locked.] Even without any {insight} — only to see this writing and this language — already — already one sees that this is Rabbainu. [What is this — what is this secret: "And with this I will reveal to you a secret and it is…"] "Melo v'gadish — melo v'gadish meko l'ko." [This is Kabbalah.] "Patzp…"