...[……….] [..A telephone book, did you not see it? A black one like that] [No….] [………..]… ...We will return, but now I [Not now, not now, after the wedding, right? Saba] Ah? [There is also a wedding tomorrow] Yes? [Yes, Avigdor's] Avigdor's [You made the match] I did not know [Yes, you made the match] Ah? [You made the match] The match? [Yes, you made the match] Yes? [Yes, so you need to be at the wedding, to rejoice over the wedding] I made a match [Yes] With, he and his wife with.. what is his name? [Avigdor, Avigdor, Avigdor] No, even before [Gideon, Gideon] Gideon, Gideon [Yes, yes] {..}, I made a match, Gideon with his wife [Yes, now there is another match, Avigdor and his wife] {Nu} [They are getting married tomorrow evening] Yes [Yes, here in Yerushalayim] {Yes} [Saba, bless my wife for healing, my wife] Ah? [Bless my wife.. Neve..]… ...[A good month] [………..] [If only] Is there liver? [Yes, there is, they are preparing it now] Ah? Good [Cooking] Good… ...{..} liver [Yes, he is preparing it now] Ah? [He is preparing liver] Yes [I am going, Rebbe Yisroel, I am going] Good [Goodbye, all the best] When will you come? [Maybe at night, with Hashem's help, all the best, Rebbe Yisroel.. all the best] [……] [With Hashem's help] [……]… ...He, he has the tree that.. [Which tree?] It fell, the tree [The tree?] [……] [Yes, in the “Cripple”] [Of the “Cripple”?] Ah? Of the “Cripple” [It is watered] It is watered […….…….] […………..] [And everyone came to Rabbainu to receive rectification]

[…..….] [……...] He will rectify the whole world, each and every one, with complete perfection, a complete rectification [Ah] [All the best, goodbye] [All the best..] [……….…] [………….]… ...I, {do} the legs and that they should be inside the bed, ah, oy, oy [They are already inside the bed, Saba] Ah? [They are inside the bed, the legs are inside the bed] The socks [The legs] The legs [Inside the bed] Ah.. ah.. […..] [Do you want to sit?] {..}, ah.. ah.. {..} [To sit..]… ...Ah… [……….…] [He is waiting for you] [Ah?] […...] Shoin, shoin [Does someone have a telephone card.., a Telecard? Is there somewhere here to buy one in the area?] [………….] [……….…]… ...{Nu} [Then can I use the car, in order to go hire some, some musician?] Yes, yes [All right] [If it is possible to do..]… {..}... [.….………] …[..…………] ...It is impossible to speak [..] Because I am ill [Yes, yes] Very, and very weak [Because he traveled from Haifa to Yerushalayim especially to see you, he made a long trip] From Yerushalayim? [From Haifa to Yerushalayim] Yes? [Yes, so he, he asked that you receive him] Ah, good, {all right..}, bring him in and tell him that there is nothing to {tell}.. [Did you hear, he said that he is weak and ill, but I said that you made a long trip and.. He said, yes, to let him in, that he should come in, but.., as though he can “arrange it,” he just lay down] [Okay..] [I think, are you a photographer? Yes?] [Yes, yes] [If you want ……….] […] [..He agrees, only ah, the matter of the……] […..] [That it should be nice like this] [………]

[……...] [Rebbe Yisroel, here, the journalist has arrived; he wanted to say hello to you] Where, where, where is he? [Nu, say hello to him] [Hello, hello..] Shalom aleichem, hello.. [How are you?] Ah, give him, give him a chair to sit on [Yes, yes, yes..] [This is Ronen, and he is the photographer] Yes, sit down, sit down [Rebbe Yisroel, the journalist and the photographer are here] Ah? [There is one journalist, a writer, and one photographer..] And one? [A photographer, takes pictures, photographs] Ah, a photographer [Can he photograph you?] Yes, yes, yes [I told you, generally he agrees, only that..] [I, I am from the newspaper "Kol Haifa"; you put up signs in Haifa] [Rebbe Yisroel, he says that he works for the newspaper "Kol Haifa"..] Yes? [Yes, he has just arrived from Haifa] Shalom aleichem once again [Rebbe Yisroel] I cannot, cannot, I thoug.., I thought perhaps {I would have a front}, th.. th… ...{Such a matter}, but I am very ill and I am very weak [Ah, ah] But I, I received them and.. of necessity {..}.. [Thank you very much] {I could … without t… without receiving.. shoyn} But I {not upon you, cannot receive now}, excuse me [No problem] Yes, that I am not able to receive them like, like everyone, but nevertheless I honor them So I, I speak with them, yes, I, not upon you, {...} I, my age, do you know? [One hundred and four] My age [Yes, one hundred and four?] Yes [Very old; where were you born?] I was born in Teveria [In Teveria; my father and my mother were also born in Teveria] [He said that his father and mother are also from Teveria] In any case the father and the mother, in the city of Teveria

[Ah, ah] I was born, and I merited to draw close to Rabbainu and to believe at a small age, at a young age, yes I saw the.. {writings} of Rabbainu, so I said, this is only for me And I had opposition with the yeshivah and with everyone, with the father and the mother and the whole city, the whole city, the whole yeshivah They opposed me and made of me.. {…}, I suffered many troubles But, blessed be Hashem, I, I take very great delight in the troubles, in what I suffered, yes So he {said to me}, it is very good to draw close to the Tzadik and.. {and from, from sorrow} in the service of Hashem {Always} from, ah.. […….] [Ah, no, I did not understand] I suffered from the father and from the mother; the father was blind in both his eyes, and he cried before me: "Why do you need Breslov? I do not want Breslov; who will take you as a son-in-law? And how is such a thing possible {…}, that you will not have mercy on me and will be Breslov?" I said to Father: "That is it, it will not chan.., not cha.., not change, and you will have no sage, no warrior, to help {..}" I said to Father: "I am only Breslov" And I suffered what is impossible to describe; I had no bread, not for me and not for the children And no garment and no bread and no money, and I suffered everything for the truth, for Breslov Oy vey.. He, he, he was very important to the president, and this, this {"Mashiach vet kumen," yes, yes} To President Shazar this man was very important, yes But I did not do it for the president and not for any.. I only learned {the words} from our holy Rabbainu; then, then in a moment it was not, I said to Father: "This, I am only B.., I am only Breslov" [If I understood correctly, ….. did not want him to be in Breslov..] And he was very distressed and he cried over me and said to me:

"Who will take you as a son-in-law, who..? Breslov?, this is he.. {he does not ….}”… ...{Yes}, I merited to overcome everything, and blessed be Hashem, to this day I am only Breslov And also {there were}, it was wonders of wonders; there were renowned men and.. and men of {good name}, ah.. And they oppose Breslov; {I, was, was liv.., strengthened}, I did not listen to them at all {I am} only Breslov to this day […...] {..}, what, the world does not know at all what this is here, what this matter of, of our holy Rabbainu is It is a matter that is impossible; I have no strength to speak and tell.. [I will ask you a few more..] What this is [.., may I ask you a few more questions?] I did not have, I am ashamed to speak The children {suffered}, the girls; they did not know what an alef is and what a bet is and what a 'patach' is They did not know at all, because they went to school, and Rav Moshe {Bela}, Blum, Rav Moshe He was the head, head, the head of 'Agudat Yisroel', and he told me that he would speak, and he did nothing; and my children already, all of them, every week they sent them home, home, because I had no money to pay {them}; and blessed be Hashem, to this day I hold firm, and I am far from all those {the head} From all those, they, who are sunk in all the desires and.. and money and all the desires […..] And blessed be Hashem, I was far from them, and I was a warrior, a warrior, and I stood against all of them There was Kliers, Kliers, Rav Moshe Kliers; you {..}, have you heard? About {Rav}, about Moshe Kliers? And blessed be Hashem, to this day, I, blessed be Hashem, was a warrior and stood against, against, against.. I do not want to.. to accuse and speak, {yes} Blessed be Hashem, I am very happy that I merited to draw close to Rabbainu through {suffering}

Through {this that I.. suffe.., that I suffered such harsh humiliations} {Nachal …… and I did not..} Someone who hears this can, can say that it is impossible, impossible, {that he is lying} But {.. the reality was like this}, and I stood against Rav Moshe Kliers [….] He was a gaon, famous, he.. {this is a known thing}, ah {And.. also in my time there was} the Rav, the Rav, the gaon Alfandari He came, Rav Alfandari, {yes}, he came to Teveria to take baths there And I asked him to let me attend upon {him}, attend upon him, yes And what happened happened; he did not want me to attend upon him, because he was a strong man, a man of truth, a strong man [You instructed, … you instructed, you said to put up signs] Ah? [You said to put up signs] [He says that you asked to publicize the signs of "Na Nach" everywhere] Ah? [He is asking about the signs] I {have} friends who do it, they do it [Why, why do they do it?] Because they know the craft, because they know well how {……}, to put together and to do, yes And blessed be Hashem, blessed be Hashem [Rebbe Yisroel, he asks why signs need to be affixed?] Ah? [He asks, why, why signs?] Why? [For what purpose.. do signs need to be put everywhere?..] Ah, to publicize, to publicize, because the whole world was opposed, the whole world were opposed to, {to signs} Only I was the sole one who said: "I am only Breslov" The Blessed Hashem brought about wonders, that.. that President Shazar received me, and.. And he felt and saw that I was a person of self-sacrifice {like this}, {……..} to speak at all with the world {And how is it I}, I am always {attached} and bound to Breslov

{Blessed is Hashem} [They say, they say that you received a letter from the Rebbe, from Rebbe Nachman of Breslov] Oy, and I {…}.., what I suffered from Breslov Only, only.. everyone, everyone, great and small, pointed with a finger: "Ah, here is Breslov, this is Breslov" [……..] [The meaning is that also, also the chareidim would oppose him..] Blessed is Hashem, I received, and it is a gift, such a gift that there is no, no, no, no equal to it [What.. what did he say?] [Rebbe Yisroel..] I did not have, I studied Breslov books, and they were all opponents and they.. And they sent, removed my children from the school, {and they fell and it is forbidden} And it is forbidden to study {..} and it is forbidden {to speak} [Wh.. why do they say..?] Blessed is Hashem, I was strong, a mighty strong man, and I stood against great ones, famous throughout the world But Rav Moshe Klirs, {there} everyone knows that he was, his name was very great, greatly renowned And blessed is Hashem, I, I was strong and stood against everyone [……..] [……..] {Sit down a chair and you will know everything about me}, what is the name? [Meir Shalom] Ah? [This is Daniel's son, Daniel's son] The son? [No, no, the journalist is here, the..] The journalist [Yes, here he is] Yes, blessed is Hashem.. [Rebbe Yisroel, he is asking..] I merited [Yes] To overcome and strengthen myself and to be a mighty strong man against the entire world and against all the opponents Who had a great name.. [Why? Why did they oppose?] And blessed is Hashem, I was alone and stood against everyone, and Hashem Yisbarach gave me a gift, that in Yerushalayim, in Chevron, there was, there was a yeshivah, and Rebbe Yisroel my teacher, Rebbe Yisroel Halperin (Kardonner), he, he.. Right away a connection was made between us, yes

And I stood against everyone, and blessed is Hashem, to this day I am only Breslov, blessed is Hashem [Why, why did they not, not love Breslov? Why, why did they oppose?] [Rebbe Yisroel, he is asking, why did all.., everyone oppose Breslov? He does not understand..] Ahh.. [He does not understand this, what is the reason?] I do not have, I do not have the strength to speak, {already} I have spoken a great deal, I do not have the strength {to tell it} But the time will come when I will tell [………] [……… there is also more..] He was the truth of all the great ones, of all {..}.., of all the great ones He was against everyone, they did not, {do not know, they …}.. They {did not}, they, they were against him nothing, nothing, {...}, yes [Ah.. what..] Rav Alfandari asked them to give me bread, only for the children, that they should give me bread; they said: "No, this is not a yeshivah student, he studies Breslov books, we will not give him, {..}, we will not give him" But even so, they gave an additional half-lira, half a lira […..….] [….…..] {If not ….}, there would not have been enough for bread for the children; I had ten children [………] [……...] [What, what is the meaning of the signs? What is the meaning of the..] [Rebbe Yisroel, he is asking what, what is the meaning of the signs of "Na Na ch"? What are the signs for?] of the signs? [What, what is the message?] Because our holy Rabbainu revealed about this, that he is alluded to in the Torah, in the verse, in the verse.. ["A flowing brook"] "A flowing brook," yes, yes He revealed that his name is, is, that his name is "a brook.."; the initial letters are his name: "N'achal N'ovea M'ekor Ch'ochmah" And our holy Rabbainu revealed that he is alluded to in this verse in the Tanach, {…}.. "N'achal N'ovea M'ekor Ch'ochmah"

And also, and also our holy Rabbainu is alluded to in the verse.. 'Simple, doubled, tripled, quadrupled,' the name "Nachman" has four letters; this is the name "Havayah" The name Yud Kei Vav Kei also has four letters, and he is alluded to in this verse: "N'achal N'ovea M'ekor Ch'ochmah," {..}.. [They are talking..] So all those {who are, who merit} to draw close to our holy Rabbainu, they, they suffer greatly, {….} Because the whole, whole world persecutes them and humiliates them, yes But this is a great good, because everything they suffer for the truth is very great [What? Everyone who draws close to him?] Ah.. […speaking] They all.. I, in Teveria, a small city, I saw {all of them, ..} […..] {…}, they were arrogant people, and thought they could study; they did not have an ember from our holy Rabbainu They did not {...}, did not, did not know even, even, even one word From our holy Rabbainu about himself, of his greatness, {..}.. [..] Blessed is Hashem, I.. [They are talking..] I.. [Honored Rav..] Cannot describe, I was a lone man and stood against the entire world {They were jealous of our holy Rabbainu}, of himself, he said like this: "I and my disciple, and the disciples of Rebbe Nassan, laugh at the entire world" And there is also a teaching from our holy Rabbainu; he said: "I, I was victorious, I finished and I will finish” I finished: he came into the world to reveal the truth, that desires are nothing and money is nothing, yes And he merited that they all fell and were completely nullified before every word of his [Did you receive a letter from him?] As one sees in the "Sippurei Maasiyos," one sees, one sees, one sees such a, such a thing in the world? No, such "Likutay Tfilos," such "Sippurei Maasiyos" exist? Is there anything else in the world?

[Did you receive a letter from him?] Blessed is Hashem, I was strong against the entire world and studied Breslov books And immediately they can, {can live} [Ah, honored Rav, did you receive a letter from him?] And blessed is Hashem.. [Rebbe Yisroel..] I {how} defeated everyone; our holy Rabbainu says: "I finished and I will finish, I was victorious and I will be victorious," our holy Rabbainu Because he came into the world {to remove} the desires from the world, {{…}}, the desires and the money and the desires, {yes} He.. nu, but the world was growing stronger, so our holy Rabbainu {{says here}}: "I was victorious and I will be victorious; I finished, I finished with the entire world" He finished; he left nothing of the desires, yes The entire world, all the sages, all the geniuses, he, he defeated them and said {this}: "I finished and I will finish, I was victorious and I will be victorious" And blessed is Hashem, I merited to draw close to our holy Rabbainu out of great anguish and out of a broken heart And blessed is Hashem, I stood against the father and against the mother and against the entire world and against the yeshivah and against all.. I was alone against everyone; I was the worst, the simplest, and everyone was a great scholar, {yes} And blessed is Hashem, I defeated them, all of them.. to this day [Rebbe Yisroel, he is asking about the letter] {..} [He is asking about the Petek] {Nu ...}, you know that I had a letter.. [Yes, he is asking, the journalist is asking, the journalist is asking about the letter, about the Petek] Yes [He wants to know what the Petek is?..] Oh, I opened a book and found a letter; like this, like this it was, the wording {the wondrous}, the wording of the.. letter [What, what was the wording?] {{I the..}}, I was the worst of everyone, and I defeated them

For the truth has such power that it, that it defeats the.. whole world [Rebbe Yisroel..] And the holy Rabbainu said: "I and Rebbe Nassan laugh at the whole world" [Rebbe Yisroel, he is asking what..] Such books, such books "Sippurei Maasiyos," Likutay.., "Likutay Moharan," "Likutay Tfilos," and more, and more, and more What, blessed be Hashem, I am happy to this day that I merited to overcome everything, the whole world And I stood alone against everyone; they all had haughtiness, masters of, masters of pride, who think that they That they can learn, but it was with falsehood {How can you}.., against the holy Rabbainu they can, even one utterance they can speak Such "Sippurei Maasiyos" never were, there are none, there are none in.., there are no more in the world, only one Such "Likutay Tfilos" {..}, and such "Sippurei Maasiyos," {and..} such utterances Such utterances exist nowhere else in the world, {ah, this, and this} is revealed and revealed {The world already had} tzaddikim, not like today But he had the power to show the whole world that they are liars, yes [Rebbe Yisroel, he is asking what is the wording of the Petek?] Ah? [He is asking what the wording is, the wording written in the Petek, what is written in the Petek?] Ah? What is written? It is written in the Petek: th..{..} "It is very difficult for me to descend to you, my precious student, to tell you that I had very much pleasure I had very much pleasure from your avodah, and concerning you I said.." Like this {..}, this is the wording of the letter, "and concerning you I said, my little fire.." There is a teaching from the holy Rabbainu; he said.. he said: [“My fire..”] "My fire will burn until the coming of Mashiach" The fire, his Torah is fire, actual fire He, he stood against all the great ones, all the scholars, against them all

Rav Alfandari was a world-renowned genius; he asked them to give, they said: "No, to this man we will not give, {….}, he studies Breslov books" And I did not listen to Father, and not to Mother, and not to the whole world There is much more to say, but I have no strength to speak; but when you come, you will know what there is in the world Only if there were nothing in the world but only one page from "Sippurei Maasiyos," one page from "Likutay Moharan" One page from "Likutay Halachos," {yes} {Then the sages would have had no place for anything} [The whole world was.. what?] And blessed be Hashem, I merited to study, to study Rav Alfandari And blessed be Hashem, I was strong against the whole world, like the holy Rabbainu; he was strong against the whole world They were not, they were not even anything, literally absolute zero {The.. against the.., against Rashi}, against the holy Rabbainu This is the matter {...} to this day, if he were {…., if he were..}, if he were If, if he were revealed in the world, the world would not have been as it is now It would have been a world where everyone was true holy tzaddikim And blessed be Hashem, I merited and stood strong against them all Against Father and Mother and the family and the whole city and all, all Eretz Yisroel All Yerushalayim, when they saw me, then, then, then, then everyone would say that I am Breslov [Ask him why the world does not draw close to him? You know what, we will forgo that question; we will ask him..] {...} [About the earthquake, did he predict the earthquake?] {..} Even one utterance cannot be revealed; the matter of Rabbainu is a secret from the whole world [……..] A secret, no, nothing {..}, they do not {..}, they do not know of him, the whole world [A secret from the whole world, the whole world does not know of him.. Rebbe Yisroel..]

And he laughs; he said: "I and Rebbe Nassan laugh at the whole world" [The matter of the……. is important, because it does not seem to me that.. I was beside him, and it does not seem to me..] [……] [For three years already he spoke, he said..] [Okay] [Now we do not need weapons, we have "Na Na Nach"..] [What does he think about the Chassidim of the Lubavitcher Rebbe? Is.., is the Lubavitcher Rebbe Mashiach?] [Rebbe Yisroel..] I want to see the man who is the.., who came to me [Here, here he is, here he is, here..] What? What is he asking?…