Yes. [This is a great sanctification of Hashem — it can be.] And also the Roshay Yeshivah — the directors and the… [yes — the teachers] — the teachers — also? [Yes — the teachers — certainly. This is a day — this is the last day of the school year.] Conclusion — the conclusion of the school year — the summer holiday begins. [The holiday — yes. So all the classes from Aleph to Vav.] Yes. [Before high school — before — through Vav.] And where are the children? [Through bar mitzvah age — through almost — from age nine through twelve.] Good — good — good. Nu. Yes. Children — children — this is new — new. Yes. (Saba laughs.) They also — they are not yet so sunk in desires. Nu. Yes. They can receive. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Nu. Let us sit here…

Oy, oy — blessed be Hashem. Oy — blessed be Hashem — blessed be Hashem. (Saba laughs.) And every time… Oy — this is the matter of Rabbainu — this is a very awesome matter. I merited to be with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) for approximately close to five years. This is not a month — this is not a year. And the main thing by him is that one can live seventy years together — for nothing. The main thing is mesiras nefesh — emunah — the will — the suffering that I suffered — that I suffered for the sake of this. This is the main thing — this is the main thing of everything! Yes.

And the Gemara — there is a Gemara — there is a verse in Tanach: "Af chochmasi amdah li" — "Even my wisdom stood by me" — like this. There is a verse. And the Gemara speaks about this verse and it — and it explains. And it found — the Gemara — the holy tzaddikim of the Gemara — the Tannaim — the Amoraim. Yes. (Saba laughs.) They found such — what are we? We know nothing. "Af chochmasi amdah li" — what — what? Yes. We believe that there are secrets in the Torah — there are… But we do not know. And the Gemara — it — it illuminates our eyes in Torah — it explains. Do you not know what this interpretation is? "Af chochmasi amdah li" — the Torah that is in anger — that is suffered — and it is the one that rules over you and there are troubles — there is wrath and anger and… (Saba laughs.) The Torah that is in anger — this stood by me! (Saba laughs.) The anger — in anger — "af chochmasi amdah li" — this is not "anger" — [erech apayim — long-suffering] — erech apayim — yes, yes. "Af chochmasi amdah li" — the Torah that is in anger — that one suffers for it. Yes. This — this stands forever — this is "amdah li" — "it stood by me." (Saba laughs.) Through this there is also {a cause} — one merits prayer and one merits to hold one's ground. This is the main thing — Torah in anger — for the sake of mesiras nefesh — that one suffers. And what I suffered — this was — this was on a single — a single occasion — a unique occurrence. Not every time do miracles occur — not every time is there such a matter of Yisroel Ber and Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) and great ones — a matter {to be told}. (Saba laughs.) Yes. This is not — this is not… This — this is hints. Every matter of holiness — especially of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) — there was no bond between us — not for the sake of anything — not for the sake of money. Quite the contrary — I suffered from this! And I thought I would not hold my ground. Yes, yes. I did not want to live — what is this? What kind of life is this? Yes! (Saba laughs.)

But when I heard Rebbe Yisroel praying — when I saw from Rebbe Yisroel some word — and I saw some deeds — such deeds as they cannot receive — beyond nature. So… nu — this is certainly good. And blessed be Hashem — we see that this has existence — this was in the days of Rebbe Yisroel — there were some years — time passed — and this passed — and this exists. The time has passed — but this — a matter of mesiras nefesh — this exists — this — this does such things in our hearts. And also it goes and awakens — there is in the air of this world — it comes — it comes to some person and grabs him. Come — what — what — what are you running? What — what — what is there? What is there? (Saba laughs.) Why… yes. What? Yes. This continues.

The holy Rabbainu said: "Kol mi sheyesh lo ayzehu hirhuray teshuvah — zeh nimshach mimeni!" — "Whoever has any thought of repentance — this is drawn from me!" So was it with the holy Rabbainu. This… yes. So all the thoughts of teshu… We see now many ba'alay teshuvah. This is a sign also of the redemption. Because every thought of repentance will be drawn from Rabbainu — even those who do not know — even those who do not know from where. This is in a person. Yes. (Saba laughs.) But… And this is the power of Rabbainu — it is in the world. And he — and he does things. And he does not give rest. What? Yes. (Saba laughs.) Oy voy, oy. The world does not know — does not know — does not know. (Saba laughs.) As the holy Rabbainu is already present in the world — and if he is already present in the world — then there is a Master of the house for the world. Only they do not know. So this is in hiddenness. But — but there is — yes — there is already — there is already a Master of the house for the world. There will be — there will come a time when this will be revealed — when… yes. The time of the wedding. For every thing there is an end — the end will come — the time will come — the time of the wedding will come. Yes. Then there will be a wedding! We do not understand at all.

We know what… If there had been no machlokes against the Ba'al Shem Tov — the Ba'al Shem Tov was the tzaddik {of the generation} — the holy Rabbainu said about the Ba'al Shem Tov that he was… But the holy Rabbainu — this is a special matter — this is a matter — this is a matter. (Saba laughs.) And the world does not know of this. Also Breslov Chassidim do not… Even Levi Yitzchak (Bender) — the holy Rabbainu said: "Lida'as mimeni — ani sod mikol ha'olam! Rak Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Nassan v'Rebbe Naftali k'tzas!" — "To know of me — I am a secret from all the world! Only Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Nassan and Rebbe Naftali a little!" So there is — one can — one can say on this two — two… One can say two — two simple words — only — only Rebbe Nassan. "Lida'as mimeni rak Rebbe Nassan!" — Rebbe Nassan — he — he knew a little — a little. He knew of Rabbainu. Rebbe Nassan — he knew a little. Yes. So — so there are two… One can interpret like this: "To know of me — it is only Rebbe Nassan. And Naftali…" The holy Rabbainu does not say of Naftali — only Nassan. Naftali a little — Rebbe Nassan knows — and Rebbe Naftali knows a little. One can interpret like this — so says Rabbainu. Only — we say Rebbe N… Only Rebbe Nassan — Rebbe Naftali a little. So Rebbe Naftali — Rebbe Nassan knows — and Rebbe Naftali a little. One can say of both: a little — only Nassan and Naftali — Nassan and Naftali a little. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Both a little. And this… And both true. And what Rebbe Nassan knew — no — did not know — did not attain — Rebbe Naftali. Rebbe Naf… Rebbe Nassan was Yehoshua — Moshe and Yehoshua. And this is a special matter. Yes. (Saba laughs.)

But Rebbe Naftali — he was also — he was a companion of Rebbe Yis… of Rebbe Nassan. They were — they grew up in Nemirov. They were born in Nemirov. [Also Rebbe Naftali?] Rebbe — Rebbe Naftali — yes. Both — both. And they were friends and were great Torah scholars. They — they were yiray Hashem — servants of Hashem. Rebbe Naftali drew close to Rabbainu first. So Rebbe Nassan felt that he — he was nothing. His greeting to him — {his gratitude} to him — this… He — he was ashamed before him. He was nullified. What is this? So, so he — he knew that he — that he knows of Rabbainu — that he is with Rabbainu. And this is another matter — he felt.

And also in Nemirov there was one close to Rabbainu — Rav — Rav Lifl — Rav Lifl. He was also one of the people of Rabbainu. He was… Whoever merited to draw close to Rabbainu — there was an entirely different matter. Like… There is — there are two things in the world: there is the world and there is Rabbainu. This is a special matter. (Saba laughs.) Rav Lifl was — this was a great city — Nemirov. Yes. And there were great Torah scholars — learners in — in the — not — not as today. There were servants of Hashem and learners. But the matter of Rabbainu — this is — this is another matter. (Saba laughs.) The secret of all worlds — this is a special matter. {This is a great thing} to say as the world does — there are tzaddikim and there are chassidim and there are… and there — and there are several kinds… This is not ordinary — this is a matter… There are geonim — but this is an entirely different matter. The holy Rabbainu is an entirely different matter. (Saba laughs.) He saw in the Torah what no one — no one of all the tzaddikim — has seen! He attained in the Torah — in every verse — as the Gemara explains through this verse — and more — and more — the Gemara illumin… the Gemara explains the Torah. We in Torah — we know nothing. We know how — how do we make tzitzis? How to make tzitzis? Only from the Gemara. Yes. "U'kshartam l'os al yadecha" — nu — "Hareini mechavven b'hanaas tefillin l'kayem mitzvas Bor'i shezivannu l'haniach tefillin" — how did He command us? Where did He command us? As it is written: "U'kshartam l'os — u'kshartam l'os al yadecha v'hayu l'totafot bayn aynecha." (Saba laughs.) Nu — we know perhaps — tefillin of gold — or of silver — or of… This — why specifically — specifically these four Torah portions? "Shema Yisroel"… There are — in Torah there are many portions. From where do we know? The Gemara — the tzaddikim! Yes.

And one sees that the holy Rabbainu is a special matter. And one sees that the world — even Breslov scholars — they — they think that this is a kind of chassidus. Likutay Halachos — this is — this is not — this one can… If not — if — if — if one is not versed in Gemara — so… in Gemara and the Poskim — yes — so what — what? This is not — this… "Likutay Halachos" is nothing — "Likutay Tfilos" is nothing — "Likutay Moharan" is nothing. These are books of chassidus. But to learn — to be a scholar — this — this is Gemara — Gemara. (Saba laughs.) Yes. Like this the world is. But the holy Rabbainu exists — they know nothing. Likutay Halachos on all four parts of the Shulchan Aruch — he — he — he — he — he illuminates our eyes in all the entire Torah! What there is in Likutay Halachos. And the world pays no attention — even if they study — they don't see. They — they — they are blind. They don't know the worth. They — they don't… They — they do a favor — they study in a book — as they study "Noam Elimelech" and all the books. He studies — he studies Likutay Halachos. Yes. [I have a phone call for a moment.]

The matter of the holy Rabbainu — that the Holy One Blessed Be He arranges that there meri… — that there are souls drawing close to Rabbainu. But not all souls… Even in the time of Rabbainu — not all souls. There were all holy tzaddikim. But each one is a world unto himself. And the holy Rabbainu — in his Torah teachings — he illuminated in the heart of each one what he needs — what he needs for his eternal purpose — to know Hashem. Each one has a special matter. {Not like…} And the true guiding tzaddik — he knows — that this needs — that one needs to guide him in such a way. And this… Not every one is equal. Breslov — Breslov — Breslov. Yes. (Saba laughs.)

And also Rebbe Nassan was a friend with Rebbe Naftali. And Rebbe Naftali was a wonder-worker. Yes. [He was a prayer leader — yes?] Rebbe Naftali was a wonder-worker. [He was a great prayer leader at…] Rebbe Naftali? Was he a prayer leader? [No — I mean he was a shaliach tzibbur many times — yes? At — in the minyan of Rabbainu — was there —] Rebbe Naftali? [Yes.] I — I don't know. [Ah — I thought.] Perhaps there is — I don't — I don't know. By Rabbainu there were such cantors — such prayer leaders — every one was a great light — such as there is not in the world. Not — not for nothing did the world stand against Breslov. (Saba laughs.) Yes.

And also — and also it is impossible to enter the palace of the king like this — with a belly of pride — with… One needs to purify oneself. (Saba laughs.) Do you want Likutay Moharan? For what purpose? If you {want}… Yes. Then there is none — none — none — you do not belong here. Yes. So you belong to Chabad — to Satmar. Yes. Not — not — not Breslov. (Saba laughs.) And I — I do not know how… This is truly… A matter — the matter of Rabbainu — it is beyond nature. I was not in the category — I am not saying this as humility — I was the worst and lowest in the world — in Teveria. (Saba laughs.) Yes. My father was poor and blind — in the uttermost lowliness — in the uttermost depression. And not — not did I see the world… And also in intellect I was not… The effort was for me — there are diamonds — it has such a quality and there is — and there is — and this — this has such beauty — it has such a quality. Yes. And everyone has their special matter. Yes. Oy. And I was the worst. But I had such a point of wisdom — that I merited to see and understand the truth — where the clear and pure truth is and… And I did not look at this world — at greatness and pride and importance and publicity. Quite the contrary — I did not — I had no va… I had no value at all there — only truth! Yes. This was not — so I was wiser than everyone! (Saba laughs.)

And also I chose Rabbainu — through the words of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) who was… Why through Rebbe Yisroel? What is Rebbe Yisroel? There are many Rebbe Yisroels. What — what? (Saba laughs.) But Rebbe Yisroel was unique in the world — Breslov! (Saba laughs.) Yes. And I chose Rebbe Yisroel. And I cast aside Rav Motl of Slonim — he was to me as a father. He — he taught me and drew me close and supported me and elevated me. Yes. So I should have continued with — Rav Motl — Rav Motl says: "Breslov — no!" So immediately — so… And this — this is a sign that I — that I am wiser than Rav Motl. Rav Motl was a gaon and scholar and upright and yiras Shamayim and wise. And Yisroel Ber — nothing — like a fly. Yes. This — but this fly had such power that it — that it could stand against the whole world. (Saba laughs.) Yes. What is this? Yes. And all — I saw everyone always speaking of me — of Yisroel Ber — of Breslov. And they themselves were astonished — what is this? When one says "Breslov — no!" once — then it is finished — then it is finished — they did not speak and speak and speak. This is a sign that there was {truth}. Yes. (Saba laughs.) Yes. That they had no rest. Yes. Breslov — Breslov — Breslov. (Saba laughs.)

Yes. Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy. And this is a matter… What? A person like me — who has no value in the world — no importance — no value — I have no — I have no intellect — I have no talents — I have no… yes. But there was in me something — that I — that I abandoned the whole world — Rav Motl and all the great ones — and all — and all… Even so — what? Who are you? What? What? Are you wiser than Rav Motl? Than Rav Moshe Klirs? What is this? (Saba laughs.) Yes, yes, yes. This — this is Yisroel Ber! (Saba laughs.) And the holy Rabbainu sent Rebbe Yisroel from Meron to Teveria for me. And what came about came about. And also my mother — my mother passed away in the house of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) on Shabbos — also Shabbos. Why did she deserve such sorrow? And also this was for the good. (Saba laughs.) She passed away — {may she be resurrected} — and through Breslov — for the sake of Breslov. (Saba laughs.)

And if there were no resurrection of the dead — if — if she sees (not understood) — then there would have been — Heaven forfend — Rebbe Yisroel — he would have had no — he would have had no place in the world — in Tzfas — in Teveria — everyone in the world would have been — would have been — would have been angry and… What is Breslov? And they killed the mother of Yisroel Ber — he killed — murderer — murderers! (Saba laughs.) The Holy One Blessed Be He arranged that I saw Rebbe Yisroel — and more. Yes — that here was a miracle of resurrection of the dead. Yes. She died as it is written about Sarah — the angel — the… [Yes — He said to her] — He said to her. [Yitzchak…] Do you know? [Yesterday…] Yes. There was a hairsbreadth — Yitzchak — that he should have been slaughtered. But she thought he was already dead — that he had already slaughtered him. Yes. So her soul flew away. (Saba laughs.) Died. "Vayihu chayay Sarah" — "And the life of Sarah was" — after the Akeidah — "Vayehi achar hadevarim ha'aylleh" — it begins "Vayihu chayay Sarah" — this is the passing of Sarah. (Saba laughs.) And she died from the magnitude of sorrow. Yes.

Every matter of Rabbainu is a matter of emunah and a matter beyond nature. Every soul that draws close passes through what passes over them — in the spiritual and the physical. But it passes over them. The Ba'al Davar does not permit… The holy Rabbainu said — the holy Rabbainu said: "L'hitkayrev eylai zeh kasheh me'od!" — "To draw close to me — this is very difficult!" (Saba laughs.) What is this? [One of the friends makes the blessing "shehakol nihyeh bidvaro."] Amen. There is a question: why is it difficult? "HaBa l'itahayr mesayin lo" — "One who comes to purify himself is aided." Why — why would it be difficult? I want — why would it be difficult? Why must I suffer? (Saba laughs.) But the holy Rabbainu said: "Ani ohev chassid metuggan!" — "I love a fried Chassid!" (Saba laughs.) [Ho, ho, ho, ho.]

This is the matter of Rabbainu — such a wondrous matter as there is not in the world. I? Who am I? What am I? "Talmidi hayakar!" What? (Saba laughs.) There is… And one sees the greatness of the Holy One Blessed Be He — the greatness of the Creator — (not understood) — Moshe Klirs {was} — there were servants of Hashem — servants of Hashem — directors of yeshivos and elderly yiray Hashem — servants of Hashem. Yes. (Saba laughs.)

[Did you show the Petek to Rav Alfandari — or did he not know of it?] Ah? [Was the Rav Alfandari before the Petek?] Alfandari? [Was it before the Petek?] It was… [Still before.] It was. [Before — before you knew Rebbe Yisroel Kardonner.] No. [After that.] After the passing of Rebbe Yisroel. [You came to know Rav Alfandari.] Yes. [So did you tell him?] I did not tell him. [You did not tell him.] I did not tell him. It was — I was then not interested in publicizing it. [You were apprehensive — apprehensive that the world would explode from this.] Yes. [Even — even — even he — even — even though he was a gaon and everything — you were apprehensive that he would not accept this?] Nayn — this was Providence. [Like this it was.] Not — without — without intention — without… [Ah — without intention.] Yes. Not — not did it occur to me to show it to him. [Ah — to show it to him.] Yes. But without intention — without — without reason. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [Providence — such was the Providence.] Yes. And it is possible that I made a mistake. If he had seen it — but he also — he is not Breslov. He — he cannot accept it. It is impossible — impossible to feel this. [But he had a great measure of humility?] Yes. [He had a great measure of lowliness.] Yes, yes, yes. But — but even so. [Even so it is…] But I did not — not — I did not speak of this — I did not speak of this and not… yes. But everything I spoke with him was holy of holies — he received and… [About the book —] He had self-nullification — he was nullified before me. He was a gaon and old — and a great old man — and he was a wise man — and he was famous throughout the world. Yes. Alfandari — Alfandari — this is all… [the whole world] — the whole world. Yes. Like Rav Moshe Feinstein — greater than Feinstein. Yes, yes. And he — and he conducted himself with me with awe and respect — with such self-nullification — with such love. Yes, yes. (Saba laughs.) He was famous — he was truth — a man of truth. And he felt where there is no truth. He said to me — Rav Shlomo (Wexler) was a zealot — and there was a society of zealots. [Yes, yes.] He said to me that he sees that all of them are politics. Only one — Rav Shlomo — he… And he said to me. Yes. Like this. (Saba laughs.)

[When Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld wanted to come to the synagogue in the Old City — Rav Yo…] Sonnenfeld. Nu. He lived — he was living in "Batay Machseh" — [not Rav Sonnenfeld —] — under Rav Shlomo (Wexler) — he was above him. Yes. [Rav Kook — when he wanted to come to Breslov — so the zealots distanced him] — yes. [from Breslov. And also Rav Shlomo.] Also Rav Shlomo. [Also of Rav Shlomo.] But he was in — [but he was not as zealous as all the others — he was less zealous than everyone] — he — he was a zealot — but truly — not in politics. [Not politics.]

Rav Kook said: "I am not afraid of everyone. [But you drew close…] Only — only from Rav Shlomo (Wexler)." [Only from Rav Shlomo.] Yes. He said this. Yes. (Saba laughs.) [But you — even though — you did not even look at Rav Shlomo.] But — but one can err. [You did not even look at Rav Shlomo.] One can… [You tried to draw Rav Kook close — despite the fact that Rav Shlomo also…] Yes, yes, yes. I went to Rav Kook even though Rav Shlomo was zealous. I — this — this is a matter… [You tried to draw him close.] Yes. [To Rabbainu.] Yes — certainly! For that purpose — for what else? [Yes — yes — certainly.] I went to him. [And you studied with him Likutay Halachos and Rabbainu's books.] He — he… I saw — I came to him and he honored me for the sake of the name Breslov. Yes. (Saba laughs.) He did not speak with me about the matter of learning — about Gemara and… He didn't… yes. Perhaps I don't know — he did not… yes. But he understood. If I had such power — the power of Torah — if I had — I would speak with him — from Gemara and this — and this. Yes. He — he understood that I am not — not a great Torah scholar. Only "Talmidi hayakar." (Saba laughs.)

This is a wonder — such a wonder. And how I held my ground with Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) for years — how — how? This is such a power — all the powers of the world do not — do not — do not understand. [We see from Rabbainu that this is a gift — we see from the Petek that Rabbainu took you — "My dear student." And this is a great gift — not to be a scholar — not to be a person of intellect. Better that there should be no intellect — better that there should be truth in the heart — without intellect — without wisdoms. This is seen from the Petek — that this is a great gift — not to be…] But…