…{Ah..}… ...{….} that he should make an effort in this [Good, good] Because if our holy Rabbainu wanted Eretz Yisroel [Certainly] He would, he would find many ways to travel, to come to Eretz Yisroel [Right] Rather, he does not long after the Knesset, after.. yes After the heresy and licentiousness—it is nothing to him [Right, right] It is out of the question, and they are not considered people, considered a donkey, donkeys, animals, according to the view of Rabbainu, of blessed memory, and they do not need to make efforts for Rabbainu, to bring him to Eretz Yisroel If he wanted to come to Eretz Yisroel, he had several ways to.. come {..} without effort That is what I think, that Rabbainu is not looking to be accepted into Eretz Yisroel Rabbainu, of blessed memory, is not only in Eretz Yisroel; he is universal Every, every one, every one who is, is, is, who is a Jew and believes in Hashem and in the Torah Then the holy Rabbainu does not need him to do a thing, {yes} On the contrary, we need to travel to seek Rabbainu, to travel {to seek} Rabbainu, that he should pray {with me} Yes, Eretz Yisroel is not the main thing {…. This}, they do not need to make efforts to bring Rabbainu to Eretz Yisroel Because if he wanted, he would have c.., he would.. he would.., he would already be in Eretz Yisroel long ago.. That is how {I} came to know (3:17) Because if Rabbainu wanted to come to Eretz Yisroel, he has several ways and several counsels for how to arrange it, ah? He, he does not long after Sabbath desecrators, and.. And they do what they do, and transgress the Torah, the entire Torah, yes Then he.., even though he will rectify the entire world, but that is one matter and this is another matter He will rectify what he needs to do, but even so, we need To abandon the.. {…} the, this, the bad ways, the theft and the robbery (4:28)

Oy.. {By my life} I did not make an effort about this, to.. ask and arouse that they bring Rabbainu to Eretz Yisroel Because if Rabbainu had {long ago} wanted Eretz Yisroel {Today}, ah, ah, and he already.., and he already came fr.., long ago to Eretz Yisroel He does not want to see Eretz Yisroel with Sabbath desecration {….}, and without faith and without the mitzvos Then no, that does not belong to us {And we said} he will rectify the world, but we need to do what belongs to us To abandon {all the..} the.., the {{ways}} that are bad, to abandon them, {yes} And to believe in Hashem Yisborach and the Torah; if not? Then he will go {The.. the.. Rabbainu, of blessed memory, has} counsels to rectify them too That is a separate matter; we do not understand He will also rectify the Sabbath desecrators and.. {and the..in milk, desecr.. …} He r.., he will rectify every, every, and every the.. e.., everything that is blemished Who is this? [Avraham Nassan, Avraham Nassan] Avraham Nassan? Ah, as I remind myself, {……} The days and the nights that I endured and that I suffered such hunger—a one-year-old child {…} passed away by me He became swollen, and the.. appearance of the body was a {strange} appearance, yes And he suffered Gehinnom {in his life\in life}; he was—he did not have even a piece of bread I told someone that the situation was like this; he paid no attention to it, and.., and he cared only for himself, yes Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) had a home with children, and they did not have enough bread and to learn And he was always in peace and tranquility, and accepted all this, everything, everything with great love, and gave much tzedakah; yes, he gave much tzedakah. If he did not have, he would borrow from some person, ah.. Five shekels, ten shekels, twenty shekels, yes, he needs {in order to do this} so that he would have enough to buy bread for the sons, yes

He always had money; there was someone in Yerushalayim, {the shamash} from the yeshiva of {.. … ….} Meah Shearim in Meah, in Meah Shearim, in Meah Shearim Suddenly a man and a woman and children came to Teveria, nu, there is none, and they have no money And he found them an apartment and also money, and he gave him, he gave him much tzedakah, {yes} He did not worry about himself; he worried {about the one who was there}—chas v’shalom, he has no bread for the children {…..}—and he did, he snatched mitzvos well, good deeds, yes And our heart is like a stone {{But with all this\\stones like this}} (11:00) A.. even {when they see the size of the body, I lived in poverty and disgrace} A one-year-old child died fr.. from hunger; he became swollen And also, even the appearance of the body was like, like gold, yes And he died, {but such a death}}, hunger is worse than.. than a bullet, yes Hunger is te.., very terrible [Saba, who? Who knew that you had nothing to eat and did not give you bread?] I said [No, but who was the..?] I told several people [Yes] Yes, as though I had said nothing [To whom, a.., to whom did you say? To whom, to whom did you say?] To Shmuel Shapira [Ah] He is very great, up to the heavens I told him, {and even} once.., not one time did he give me a piece of bread or some money {Litvak}; everything {..}, everything like a Litvak, everything for himself, for his sons, but not {for} Yisroel Ber—he has none, he has none.., {according to the heart}, and he died, a one-year-old child died of hunger [Who else did you tell?] I went on Motza’ei Shabbos to look for a piece of bread for him for the night [What was this child’s name? What was his name?] {…}

[Pinchas?] In Tzfas [Pinchas, Pinchas] Eh? [Your son who passed away, what was his name? Pinchas?] Nachman [He was called Nachman?] Yes, he died, and another child was born {and today} [He was called Nachman] But.., yes, Nachman [Ah, two, you had one Nachman, died of hunger?] Yes, yes [And you said this to Shmuel Shapira] Eh? [You told Shmuel Shapira] Yes [That you have nothing to eat] Yes [And he..] But I {did not have a piece of bread}, and I also told {. . .} several friends [Who else?] And they gave nothing [Which other friends did you tell?] I told this to almost all the friends, that I have children, and I do not have a piece of bread to give them [Ah..] And no, and no garment and nothing And there was no {...}, the holy Rabbainu awakened our hearts to seek mitzvos, like one seeks, like people seek [This was before you received the Petek, right?] Eh? [This was before you received the Petek, the son died of hunger?] Avraham Natan? [This was before you received the Petek, the son died of hunger, right?] Ah.. no, no, no, no, no [No] No, {..} [After] There was, there was what there was, I cannot {{tell}} [Ah..] A one-year-old child passed away from hunger, for he became swollen, {…} became swollen What he suffered {for me}, {and he spoke with me, yes} Yes, and yes eh, all my children had miracles that.. that they are alive I had nothing, no money, I was like among the non-Jews There was Pesach Frank, Frank, Rabbi Frank [Yes] Yes, I {ah, I knew Frank for several years} And no, and he did not give me even a piece of bread, he gave me nothing, as though I were a non-Jew, yes

Each time some, some {grandchild} from his household passed away, yes But he, he has a heart of stone, yes He saw me, he would give me for Erev Pesach, on Erev Pesach, twice a year He gave me half a lira, {…} No apartment and no anything, he gave me no.. even an apartment, that was also That was also, that, that is true, yes One time, one time I came on Erev Pesach, and he gives me half a lira for the Pesach holiday What? He saw, then he, he saw me and said to me: "Come with me to my house" He lived in "Batei Machseh", and he had a very beautiful apartment in "Batei Machseh", yes And I {he had another, another another place of..}.. yes, he said to me: "You will go with me, in the house I have half a lira in some place, I will give it to you for the Pesach holiday" Good, nu, he told me {only} Afterward I am waiting for the half lira, he came and said to me: "That someone came to ask for help for someone who is a great scholar in Torah {in Yerushalayim} So he took from me all the money I had, and I have nothing, nothing to give you" I went away from him completely empty of everything, he gave me nothing.. [Nothing] For the Pesach holiday "Frank", "Rav Frank" Yes, like a non-Jew, all Yerushalayim was in his hands, all the apartments, there was {….} and he was the proprietor And he, and he did not support me at all, like a non-Jew Nu, nu, nu, nu, but Hashem Yisbarach repaid him And he also became ill, and he had a very beautiful funeral, but he passed away and went, yes [What was his name? Frank, what was the first name?] Frank, I do not know.. Frank [He was.., he was a rav? Rav] Rav? The rav of all the rabbanim {..} in Yerushalayim

[Yerushalayim, the "Edah Chareidis"? From the "Edah"? From the ”Edah"?] He said to me: "Come with me..” [Yes] "To my house, and there I have half a lira in some place.." [Yes] "And I will give it to you, come wi.., come with me" [..] I went with him, then I see that he is not giving, so, so I waited Then he came, he came and said to me: "This man was by me who is occupied with a mitzvah", Rav Efrayimel, Rav Efrayimel [Rav.., Rav.., Rav Efrayimil, yes I knew..] {You knew him?} [You knew him?] Yes.. [Oh..] {Certainly} [Yes, the one who compiled the "Oneg Shabbos"] Yes, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo He left, he took from me all my money, Rav Efrayimel was expert.. [Pshh..] And a gaon [Yes, yes] {…..} [Yes] Ah, he said to me: "He took all the money from me, and I had nothing left, I have nothing to give you" [Pshh..] Nu, nu, nu, but he had, Hashem Yisbarach repaid him I, I live in Yerushalayim [Yes] And they give me no help, no anything, {nothing} this is the conduct of a non-Jew, not the conduct of a Jew Jews are compassionate, the children of compassionate ones, and not cruel like this, yes I do not, I do not want to speak about rabbanim.. […] About gedolim, yes [Shalom aleichem, Saba] I, sometimes I went in to him and said to him: "{You are worrying about something ……..} I have no rent money, I have no money.." [Yes] "I have no bread, I have nothing" He heard, as though I had said nothing, as though I had spoken to.. to the wall Nothing, no, he had no compassion at all, and gave me nothing at all, no, yes {And Hashem Yisbarach} He repays well, He repaid also, also in this world and also in the World {to Come}

I came sometimes and said to him, I said to him: "Help me with some, some rent money, I have none, I have no house, I have no money, I have nothing" He heard, and gave nothing, as though, as though I were a non-Jew, {..} He was the rav of all the rabbanim in Yerushalayim He had "Batei {Machseh}" and he had apartments, and I had nothing They all had family, and they had an apartment, and they had everything, every good thing Only I did not, I did not have {bread}, bread Miracles that I am alive now, miracles that my children are alive, miracles And he did not give me, but Hashem Yisbarach repaid him Each time there was, there was a death in his household, each time A boy or a girl would die, he sat shivah, yes But if there is no sense, if, if the heart is like that of a non-Jew, he has no compassion, nothing {...} I, now that I am here, I have been {still here} several years, I had no rent money {I did not have such}, I had no bread to eat, {I did not have this} In all Yerushalayim there was no poor person like, like, like me, in all Yerushalayim Because everyone went to the wealthy {and he would bring money}, I, nothing And he was.., he did not have such cruelty, he gave me nothing I came {to him once, as though he saw a dead person} {I came and said to him, I said: "He.. the situation is very bad} I have no money, and I have no bread, and I do not have this, and I have no apartment, and I have no.." He heard, and I left the house as though he had not heard, he gave me nothing Even from his own money he gave me nothing If a poor man comes, wh.. wh.. and the children {need bread}, and one does not give, then he resembles a non-Jew Jews are compassionate, the children of compassionate ones

Yo, oy, oy, oy, I need something to drink [Do you want cola, or hot?] Give me.. [Cola?] Give me a little, but.. [A little] A little {[...Saba the king]} Oy vey, the rav over all the rabbis of Yerushalayim, {how} does he conduct himself {like this} {And I} had neither bread nor money, nor an apartment nor anything, and he paid no attention to this He had several {vessels} that are famous in Yerushalayim [………] […..….] Ah, ah.. [……...] [….…..] I entered his home, {and it was}, and it was very bitter for me, I came, I said to him: “I have no help at all, I have no money and I have no, I have nothing at all” And he was the.. the proprietor of all Yerushalayim, over all the money, over all the lands, over all the apartments He could have given me an apartment, {..yes, if he sees a person like me} He gave me nothing, nothing, it is a wonder, it is a wondrous thing In any case {..} Jews are merciful, the children of merciful ones, but not such a cruel person Who is this? [This is my son] [……] [Yitzchak] [Yitzchak] [Yitzchak from Emanuel] Yitzchak.. from France [Yitzchak from Emanuel] [Yitzchak from Emanuel] {Does not understand} [Yitzchak from Emanuel] Ah, {…}, {.. …..} he lives in.. {…..} [Emanuel] Ah, oy vey iz mir, {oy vey, …..}, {who can u.. understand} What I suffered? Who knows how to assess and tell? Who can describe and tell? [..] {Yes} The rav over all the rabbis of Yerushalayim, he conducts himself like.. [Saba, is it possible for you to bless him?] Ah? [To bless the…..] {May Hashem Yisburach bless him …. days and years} and much nachas and all good [Amen] He, where does he live now? [In Emanuel]

Emanuel? [Yes] What does he.., what does he do there? [What do you do there? he is asking] [Learning] [He learns, he learns in Emanuel] By himself? [By himself? he is asking] […..] He teaches with students, ah.. [Do you teach?] With children? {..} [In a kollel, in a kollel] [Kollel, kollel] [Kollel] Kollel [In a kollel, yes] Yes [Kollel] Kollel, ah, oy [In the kollel of Nassan Liebermantsh, in the kollel of Nassan Liebermansh] Ah? [In the kollel of Nassan Liebermantsh] [He learns in the kollel of Rebbe Nassan Liebermansh] Yes? [Yes] Nassan Liebermansh has a kollel? [Yes] [In Emanuel, yes] In Emanuel [Yes] [You know him, you also knew his father] Yes [Yes] {He will rise} up, up to the heavens, but afterward they fall one time, they fall and fall, and fall [Ay, Rabbainu Na Nach Nachma Nachman..] He said {to me}, I entered the house, he said to me: “In the house I have in.. a garment, I have half a lira there, come with me, and I, and I will take it out, and I will give it to you” I {already\did not} think that he would give it to me immediately He waits, waits, waits, afterward he came to me and he said to me: “So-and-so came to me, and took all the money that I had, he took all the money Nu, I have nothing to give you” He does not have, he does not have half a lira to give me, he has nothing to give me What, I went away empty, without a single prutah, yes Ah, perhaps you will give me {{something\a donation}}? [To eat?……. […………...] {No} [He went to bring some, some cake, there is a cake made from semolina] Cake [From semolina, semolina, in a little while you will taste it, if you want you will eat I brought a cake made from semolina from home, he went to bring it, Uri

Oy, Na Nach Nachma Nachman..] {...} Nassan all the time, this is Nassan Liebermantsh He was, he would not give me even a single prutah all the time to help Like that Ah, I want to.. [..the legs] The legs on the bed [Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman.. Na Nach, a complete recovery, Saba.. ay, Abba, Abba He is not sitting well, the leg here is not good, Saba…………….] Nu [The leg is not good here, a little you need…..] {..} [The leg……] {Oy vey} [The leg is not good here, you need to move a little more] What, what, what, what? [The leg, because you are not lying well] What, the leg? [……] What? The leg? […………….…] [……………] What? [Saba, do you remember why Nassan Liebermansh sat in prison?] Ah? [Nassan Liebermansh, do you remember why he sat in prison? You were, d.. during Shazar’s time, you got Rav Nassan Liebermansh out of prison, do you remember? Do you remember? He was.., during Shazar’s time] Ah? [During the president’s time] Nu [Nassan Liebermansh was in prison, you took actions so that he would get out of there, do you remember?] No [He does not remember..] What is this? [This is a cake made from semolina, a cake made from semolina, taste it, perhaps it will be good for you] [………………] […………..….] Ah, ah [Saba] Oy, take off the socks [Yes, Saba, you are not lying so well, we need to move you a little] What? [You need to move a little, you are not lying well, the legs outside is not good, you need to move a little over here We will pull you a little, all right? To arrange things a little] Ah [……………] No, no, no, no [There is no room here, you need to move] {Take off} [Yes] The socks [………..…..]

[…………….] Ah [Do you want to lie down, lie down?] […………] […………] [Then wait, you need to move a little] Ah? What, what? Ah? [It needs to be closed, Saba, closed] Ah, ah, ah.. Put the legs on the bed, put [Shoin………………………….] […………………….………..] He is already dead [..] The rav [Yes] The rav of, of Yerushalayim, Frank is already dead… ...[He already passed away..] [………………] [………………] [He is not alive, Saba, already, he is not alive, he already passed away] Ah […………………...…….…..] [………………...………..….] [………………………………] […………………………..….] [………………………….….]…