...And I was, I was.., Hashem Yisbarach gave me a soul such that I yearned for Torah I burned for Torah, for fear of Heaven Nu, I was, I was very {….} In any case, so what I saw, then.. that Chassidim, Chassidim conduct themselves with simplicity And I was the “first” and I.., and I was the greatest, the greatest For example: in Karlin they shout in prayer, and I shouted such shouts that they could kill [You could kill the people] Yes, Rav Kehat said to me: “You are killing me, you are making me dead, what do you want from me?” A story from eighty years ago, or ninety years ago [You shouted: “I want Rabbainu..”] Aharon, stop… ...Nu, what is more {….} before prayer, for example: They would get up half an hour before dawn “They got up half an hour before dawn..”, so they were called: “the greatest servants, the great tzaddikim of the generation” “He gets up half an hour before dawn” {So Rebbe Yisroel is already praying}, and.. and.. and.. and.. and when they get up.. [One needs to drink] Washing the hands, “First, to begin drinking.. drinking” Nu, I saw that one needs to drink; I too.., I too.. saw.. “drinking, drinking” And after this they lie on the bench, lie on the bench for an hour, or two [..] When I drew close to him.. After this Hashem Yisbarach helped me, so that I saw Rebbe Yisroel “What is with them? They get up half an hour before dawn, and they are already the ‘tzaddikim of the generation’ And Rebbe Yisroel gets up at midnight, and no one knows anything And he does not need tea, he does not need anything; he needs only the mikveh, and.. and.. and.. and.. {..} And later Rebbe Yisroel.. [Did you go to the mikveh? Before Rebbe Yisroel, did you go to the mikveh?]

Yes [Yes, every day?] Yes [Did the Karlin Chassidim go to the mikveh?] Yes, yes, not every day, but I, I was.. [From what age did you begin going to the mikveh?] {..}, eh? [From what age did you be..]… ...{………………………………………. …………………………………………..}… ...[Aharon Patz sings: “To make known, to make known..”, in You our fathers trusted..”]… .……….…………………}... …{……………………………… ...Ah, the matter with my mother—she passed away in Rebbe Yisroel’s house, Shabbos before dawn Shabbos before Mincha.. an uproar arose throughout the whole city that she had passed away: “Yisroel Ber {..}, Yisroel Ber {….}, killed, killed his mother Yisroel Ber killed her; the poor woman passed away from the magnitude of the anguish—can there be a Jew who is not a Breslover” The point is: {….} I will tell more.., more {details}, but it cannot be told completely [What you can] So.. like this, this is how it was: How.., how an uproar arose that I had become a Breslover, and my father.. The great ones of the city came to my father, said to him: “{..} Yisroel Ber became a Breslover, {what was there…. to see what was earliest}, …our way” the point is, my father said: “I have no worry, and I know my son; he fears Heaven, he does not depart from my words So when he arrives from the yeshiva, I will tell him not to be Breslov, {… … …}” {….} from the yeshiva, Father said to me: “Listen, Yisroel Ber, Rav Mottel came to me, and other people came, and.. and.. my father.. Told me that you became a Breslover; I ask you, my son, I give you permission to be whichever Chassid You want, either Ger, or Lubavitcher, or {Chassid}, whichever you want The main thing—not a Breslover”

I said: “Father, I cannot listen to these words of yours” He said: “Like this.. indeed they are right, I do not know what it means to be called a Breslover Indeed, for the first time in my life I hear that he does not listen to me, fulfills my words, fulfills honoring one’s father” shoyn, in any case, my father asked me all the time; I did not listen to him So.., so he said.., so.., so he decided to throw me out of the house A great dispute arose in the house between the father and the mother The mother said: “Do not drive him outside, and fr.., and from Tzfas to Teveria it is.. it is.. it is.. it is.. it is.. it is.. it is.. Two two ‘houses,’ one next to the other, and from Teveria to Tzfas, if we take him {out of the house}.., like this.. They will not hear, so there will be a wedding, and it will be after the wedding; in any case, then there will be a wedding, and.. But, but if you throw him out of the house, and from Teveria to Tzfas, then they will know that he became a Breslover They will abandon his match, and after all, this is our son, it is a pity, and we will know nothing of him” He.. he.. only.. The point is: he, he, he drove me out, did not agree that I enter the house; he drove me out And he had a fear: Perhaps Thursday night at Rebbe Yisroel’s; meanwhile, I was in Rebbe Yisroel’s house When a person arrives {….} Rebbe Yisroel.. opens the house, and I entered to Rebbe Yisroel I was in the storeroom, a house next to it, {..} in the storeroom, and I was there for Shabbos Nu, and in the storeroom there were windows, in the place there were windows, and.. and.. and this house, with Rebbe Yisroel’s house—when I needed to approach Rebbe Yisroel, it was necessary to pass th.. through the storeroom, through, through.., through it, nu, the point is: My mother was very embittered; she saw that my father did not listen to her

He threw me out of the house She went to Rav Mottel, {….} to Rav Mottel; she, and the father, and the son, held Rav Mottel in very high regard, the point is: She we.., went to Rav Mottel, so she told him about the dispute: “The house is ‘Tisha B’Av,’ it is ‘the destruction of the Beis HaMikdash’ That he.. uh.., so he should give counsel, {he will give}, give counsel” My counsel is: “We.., ah.. ah.. have such a kind of ‘picture’ with Breslov, it is such a thing It is like.., it is sorcery, it is sorcery! Nu, after this, Rebbe Yisroel is a God-fearing Jew, but he is a Breslover, and after this.., and my counsel is: “To tell Rebbe Yisroel how everything is in the house, the state of the house {……} the brokenness, and he is bewildered The point is: in any case, what does Rebbe Yisroel have from this, {…….} He asks him to leave {….} into the house, to leave {…..} To make a humiliation, {this is how he will do}, it is better that he will be able to be in the house” This is what she heard from Rav.., from Rav Mottel, that it is sorcery She was very alarmed, she was afraid, she thought: “Indeed, to travel to a sorcerer, sorcery, with such a kind of request” She went with a broken heart at that time, on.. [Shabbos] Yes, the point is: She entered Rebbe Yisroel’s house before Mincha, and Rebbe Yisroel was in the house She fell at his feet, and she cried, and she told the whole story: “Father threw out the child, and the poverty, poverty, and the brokenness, and now in the house there is ‘the destruction of the Beis HaMikdash,’ {.…} He had been a God-fearing Jew all the time; what has happened with my son Leave my child, and do not let him enter the house!” Nu, so he said to her: “You can speak with your child; I, I do not {….} to him.., {….} But if he comes to me, the son I will not throw out

Listen according to good counsel: {If ‘you get up’}, tell the husband, and you, you will know {….. that he will not sever ….} There will be another counsel—in concealment, together there” When she heard such a thing, that he would not leave She thought: “Good, I will speak, I will say {…..} all the claims {…..}” When she heard that he would not leave, she passed away [She passed away straightaway?] {….} [She passed away straightaway, immediately passed away] Yes, at once, {…..} But {..}, but our house was between the synagogues; the public was before the Mincha prayer So there arose.., there arose an uproar; whoever wanted to pray Mincha entered Rebbe Yisroel’s house Heard someone passed away, {pay attention}, shoyn Nu, and.. and the merciful Jews brought there {……………} After all, afterward the father and the mother fainted The point is: They saw that she had not fainted; she had passed away And I, and I stand there at the window in the house, in the storeroom, he.., they go.. as they go up, and return back {…..}, and the Poles say: “What did you do?”, {..}, what can.., what the child.. What a child alone can do—to kill the mother; this is how she passed away” I hear, I hear there And Sephardim, the Sephardim also say: “Oy..”; the Sephardim say in their language: What more.., what, what, what, what can there be in this world, and what a thing like this Can a child do to a mother” The point is: Both of them say there: “Breslov, that he is Breslov” After all, they do not know {….} There was a thing, they had not heard.. only in Breslov; it became known why there was such an uproar, what is the.. “Oy, she passed away, Yisroel Ber is.. he is.. {..}, this is the son, this is the young man who killed her; she passed away in Rebbe Yisroel’s house, lying dead”

Nu.. nu It was late at night, ‘conve.., they convey her to the cemetery’; they take her out of Rebbe Yisroel’s house {……..} {..}, the story, the story from Ger And the story of Rav Hirsh Litvak And the story in which Rav Kehat’s grandson passed away And the story.. [The story of the tefillin, and the story of the mother who passed away And.. this.. R.. and what was it? R.., Rebbe Yisroel prayed, {…}.. in our room for an hour..] ., he was in the synagogue; did I see? Did I see? I only heard, heard that she passed away [Nu, and Rebbe Yisroel prayed that there should not be a desecration of God’s Name? {..}..] {…}.., presumably, presumably, what, they ask me {…} {….}, she passed away.. she passed away i.. in his house, in short, passed away.. [And how..?] And they saved her, and there was no one to save [How did it happen that she got up?] Eh? [How did it happen th.., that she got up?] How did it happen? [And how did it happen that she got up?] Afterward they wanted, wanted to do what is done with the deceased, to lay her on the ground, {..} Then they sensed, sensed something, the eye.. {….} the eyes {…}, saw something And they saw, the rescue began there, and it became more and more {……} and completely fine . And.. and.. and.. and.. and.. and.. and she got up, and got up with light, and.. and.. {…..} But, and.. and there was resurrection of the dead, {there will be hope} [Did she tell you anything? How did she feel when she was..?] No, no, no, no [She did not tell anything?] No nothing, no anything, {..} [And after that..?] She passed away, {….., azoy……….} {Aharon……..} [And after that there was.. your wedding] After that, after that, yes [And Rebbe Yisroel came to your wedding and danced] Yes, yes..

[Until his trousers fell down, yes?] Yes, yes, yes, yes The trousers fell down; people came and stopped him, {…...}, he pulled his trousers back up [And then..] He did not know [He danced like that, did not feel that his trousers had fallen down?] No, no, {…} He danced alone, with the public.. they saw that the trousers were down, {..} [And after that..] {..} [Yours..] {..}, the Shabbos after that, my father-in-law, my father-in-law hit.. [Your father-in-law hit..] Locked [And locked the house] Yes, yes, yes [And did not agree to let you go] Yes, yes [To.. Rebbe Yisroel Kardon] My wife says, my wife says: “I ask you, I ask you, {..}..” [You ran away at twelve..] And she said to me: “(git als’ding) good for everything” That night, that night, {Mot’eh said}: “You are not going, you are not going tonight” But I had a ‘handshake pledge,’ {….}, we need to see each other [And you went at twelve at night?] Yes [You said hello to Rebbe Yisroel and went back?] Yes, I went back [{And then} he caught..] I found, I found, I found my father-in-law as he was chasing after me, chasing.. Then he hit me [He hit..] {….} [Sent you outside, sent you to the bones with the meat..] Yes, yes, yes [Which the dogs eat] He found me there near the shops, late And there, in earlier years the bone.., today they sell the bones But in earlier years they would throw them to the dogs; the dogs stood and ate {…} and my father-in-law threw, threw.. [Onto the bones] Onto th.., onto the dogs; miracles that they did not {….} [Great miracles that the dogs..] Yes [Did not touch you] {…}...