...[This is Kabbalah.] This... {..}, "Patzpatziyah"—this is the name for the shofar blast on Rosh HaShanah. [Yes.] The angel appointed over the shofar blasts of Rosh HaShanah. This is "Patzpatziyah," according to the holy Ari. So it is written here concerning Rosh HaShanah: "Patzpatziyah." [The Rebbe already revealed to us then, when the letter was revealed, that we would yet merit to reach Uman for Rosh HaShanah. The Rebbe already revealed it to us then, because it was a secret.] If only, if only, if only, when you reach Uman. You need to {..} seek all kinds of advice {in this matter, and... and... and... and...} and come to Uman. [I, I...] Our holy Rabbainu warned very strongly to come to him on Rosh HaShanah. [I saw Saba in Uman on Rosh HaShanah.] Ah? [Twice I saw Saba in Uman on Rosh HaShanah.] Ah? [I saw Saba twice in Uman on Rosh HaShanah.] Who? [Three years ago and two years ago I saw Saba.] Were you there? [Yes, I also saw Saba.] You were already there? [Yes, I have already been in Uman three times.] Yes? Fortunate are you, fortunate are you... ...This liar, this liar, he wanted to nullify it. He—for the sake of pride. "What is this?" [He said to you, he said to you...] "Yisroel Ber received a letter from Rabbainu? And where am I? I am Levi Yitzchak." [Did he himself tell you that it is false?] Yes, yes, I know him well. [Thank God, we merited to know that it is true.] If I say "liar," I—Heaven forbid regarding any Jew, especially one of our people. But he was afraid; he, he was afraid that his honor would be harmed. "What? A letter from Rab..., a letter from Rabbainu to Yisroel Ber, and where is Levi Yitzchak?"

[I see that these are letters he wrote, that Saba wrote to Shazar?] Ah? [The rabbi wrote to... to Shazar, wrote to Shazar?] "Avi HaNachal." [What? Yes, yes, this is "Avi HaNachal."] "Avi HaNachal"? [Yes.] Yes. [These are letters...] What I wrote to Shazar. [Yes, what happened? Did you draw Shazar close?] [Is there encouragement here?] Take it, take this. [Yes, but it belongs to him.] Ah? [May I take it?] I will tell him that I gave it to you. [....] And see, see whether, whether, whether such wonders are seen in the world. [.........] We were such friends. [.....] Yes, and the whole government was, was, was against it; {{....}} did not listen. [Did you draw him, Shazar, close?] Certainly, certainly. [How did you draw him close? How did Shazar come to Breslov? Shazar was the president of the state, wasn't he?] The letters—everyone, everyone who sees the letters becomes a baal teshuvah. [Yes, every day one needs to establish a schedule, fixed every day, to read a letter.] [When...] We were—everyone, everyone, the whole city, the whole government knows that... [Was a friend...] We are friends; we were special friends. He, he, he told me: Ben-Gurion and Aharon and... yes. Ben-Gurion and all the ministers, the government ministers, are not his friends, are not friends. I am a friend; {I have no friends...} [He helped...] I went in to him. [To whom? To...] All the policemen knew; when I came, it was open before me everywhere. [My father told me, Rav Alter told me, that once he was..., he went with you and with Rabbi Shmuel Horowitz on Purim. Once on Purim he went with you and with Rav Shmuel Horowitz.] Yes, yes. [Do you remember?] Yes, to Shazar. [Yes, do you remember?] Yes, yes, and we danced, and...

[Yes, you danced with Shazar?] Yes, and also... [My father was drunk.] Amram, Amram. [Amram, yes, he also went.] Amram. [Amram Horowitz.] [Your grandson.] Amram and I studied "Likutay Moharan" with him. [With whom? With Shazar?] Yes. [I heard Shazar came on the night of Rosh HaShanah; he was once in Breslov.] Yes, yes, they wanted to strike him. [Who wanted to strike him? People?] Ah... [Those who did not merit to know of the Rebbe.] Breslov Chassidim. [......] What is your name? [Shmuel, after Saba.] Shmuel, and he? [Amram Yosef.] Avraham? [Amram, Amram Yosef.] Amram Yosef. [Like your grandson, Amram, after Rav Amram ....] Ah, Amram Yosef. Amram was—the father of him was the head of the rabbinical court of Jerusalem. [Rav Moshe Nachum Worenstein.] Yes. [Head of the rabbinical court of Jerusalem.] [Do you remember him?] Great in Torah, yes. [Tell us a story about him.] They were all opponents of Breslov. [What?] Especially the Lithuanians. [No, they were all opponents? Yes.] He was the father of... The father-in-law of... [Of Shmuel Horowitz, yes.] Shmuel Horowitz, yes. What was his name? [Rav Amram Yosef Worenstein.] Ah? [Amram Yosef Worenstein.] No. [Whom?] What was the name of the rabbi of Jerusalem? [Rav Moshe Nachum, Rav Moshe Nachum, Moshe Nachum Worenstein.] {..} [Ah, perhaps Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld .....] After Rav Chaim Sonnenfeld, he was, was the rabbi of Jerusalem. [Yes.] And he— [Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld.] [Yes.] No. [Rav Shmuel Salant?] The father-in-law of, of Rav Shmuel Horowitz. [He was Rav Avraham Worenstein.] What, what was his name?

[Rav Amram Yosef Worenstein.] Ah? [Rav Amram Yosef Worenstein was the name of Rav Shmuel's father-in-law.] Feinstein? [Worenstein.] [Worenstein.] [They do not remember.] The rabbi of Jerusalem. [Yes, his father was the rabbi of Jerusalem, Rav Moshe Nachum.] Rav Moshe Nachum, Worenstein, Worenstein. [Yes, Worenstein.] [Worenstein.] Ah, yes. Rav Moshe Nachum Worenstein, he was the head of the rabbinical court of {Rabbainu} in Jerusalem. [Yes.] Yes, he, he, he was Lithuanian. [Yes, he was from...] He was an opponent, an opponent of... [Did you speak with him about Breslov?] (Not understood.) [Did you speak with him about Breslov?] Ah? [Did you speak with him about Breslov? With Rav Moshe Nachum Worenstein?] Yes. [What did he tell you?] He, he, he was far from it. [But did he not speak—did he speak against it?] Well, the great ones did not {sin}; they saw that it is— [Not simple.] Does one see any more stories like these in the world? No. [There are no stories like these.] The whole world says and knows that there are none, none; there are no such stories in the entire world. [Were you with Rav Moshe...]... ...[Moshe Feinstein gave you a letter.] [I saw that you have a note from Rabbi Moshe Feinstein.] Moshe Feinstein. [Yes.] Oy, oy. [You were with him, weren't you?] I, I was with him with the Petek. [Yes...] [What, what did he write?] [What did he tell you?] There is a letter of approbation. [Yes.] Did you not see the approbation? [We saw it, we saw it.] [We saw it once, once. What did he write for you about the Petek? What did you tell him? Did you tell him the story?] [For a Lithuanian to give an approbation—he was Lithuanian.] Everyone said: "He was not—he was already not in his right mind."

[That is what they say?] But nevertheless it, it cuts him down; it, it, it—the approbation. [What happened? How, how did Rav Moshe Feinstein give you a note about this? He was a great man, correct?] Rav Moshe Feinstein—I did not know him, and he did not know me. [So what happened? You...] Only the son—they gave him the letter. [Yes.] Then he came to his father and showed him the letter. Then he told him: "This... do not laugh at this." He said: "It is a wonder, a great wonder!" Yes. [Did you hear what he said?] And he wanted to see the original Petek and this man who found it. I went to him with the Petek. [Did they call you? Who called you? Did they summon you to him?] Yes, ah? [Did they summon you to Rav Moshe Feinstein?] Yes. [So you came to him.] What... he, he, he, he {really}... [Was astonished by the Petek; there had never been such a thing in the world, never had there been such a thing in the world.] {.....}, an approbation, such an approbation. [Yes.] [No, I already saw it with him; I have already forgotten the approbation.] Ah? [I saw it once. What did he write for you in the approbation?...] I have no strength [Ah.] to speak. [He was the halachic decisor of the generation, Rav Moshe Feinstein.] Yes, {great among the scholars}. [Thank God.] {..} [The Rebbe testifies about you that you were his precious student.] "My precious student." [It is no simple matter.] I, I {read} this, I saw it by me; I fell completely. What? I, I am "my precious student"? [But the Rebbe testifies about you? The Rebbe testifies about you.] [If the Rebbe says such a thing, then it is certainly correct.] Yes, he... He writes to me, "My precious student," in a place where... where he did not need to write "my precious student."

"It was very difficult for me to descend... to you, to tell you." Why does he write... ["My precious student."] He ended with "my precious student." [Because it is true.] In any case, tell Father, tell Father. [Yes.] I asked him—I want to see him and speak with him, and that he should come sometimes. [Where are you, where are you located?] Perhaps in this merit he will have healing, and if not in this merit, in the merit of Rabbainu, yes. He also suffered from... from Breslov. [What?] We all suffered from Breslov. [Yes.] [From what? From what?] [He also suffered from Breslov.] All of us. [From what did you suffer? From Breslov?] {..} [He is a great Torah scholar, Rav Alter, correct? Rav Alter is a great Torah scholar.] The father of Shmuel Horowitz was a gaon. [He was a dayan.] Famous, a dayan. [A rabbi in Canada.] In America. [Yes.] Yes. [For forty years he was a rabbi.] {..} And he wrote {this, yes}; the son, Rav Shmuel—Rav Shmuel Horowitz drew close to Rabbainu; I drew him close at the time, after the bar mitzvah. [You made him a Breslover?] I, yes. [How did you make him a Breslover?] I drew him close. I always spoke with him about Rabbainu, and he {. .} [And before that he was not a Breslover?] And he drew close to Rabbainu. [Before you spoke with him, he was not a Breslover?] No, {what}... he was..., he was Chabad. Yes, yes, he was Chabad. And I, I drew him close to Rabbainu. [Whom else did you draw close?] Ah... [Also the president of the state?] If you want to understand, perhaps, perhaps Father knows about it. [....] That... {but he was .... he was .... with me}. Shmuel Horowitz lived in Tzfat. [Yes.]

And I drew him close, and I extracted him from the talo..., from the talons of Chabad, and I drew him close to Rabbainu. [Chabad is not good?] [In the mer... in the mer...] {What.} [In your merit we are also Breslov.] The mother, the mother became ill from it. [Your mother, or his mother? Shmuel Horowitz's mother?] His mother, my mother, also {his} mother. My mother passed away—she grew faint, passed away. The Blessed God had mercy, performed miracles in how she returned {..} to life. "What is this? What are you doing? Breslov, {not in...}" [What?] [In your merit we too are Breslovers.] Yes. [We were born Breslovers in your merit; you drew Rav Shmuel Horowitz close, and we too are Breslov.] What, but you did not, did not suffer what we suffered. [Yes.] We were the first soldiers. I fought with, with mighty men, with rabbis, with people famous throughout the world. And I, and I did my part; he spoke as though I were not a human being. [Who?] Rav Moshe Klirs. [Ah, who are these? They were, they were in Teveria.] {...} [What, what—Rav Moshe Klirs opposed Breslov?] He, he was an opponent of Breslov. [He was a Slonimer, wasn't he?] Slonim, Slonim. [There was also Rav Motl the Slonimer there, he too was there, yes? But they, they were not great men?] [........] {N... now the time has arrived}—Uman, the whole world knows that Uman was closed to the whole world. And now, and now {...} [Open to the whole world.] {And how the Blessed God}, that it opened to the entire world, without war, without... [Miracles, through the Rebbe's power.] Miracles, miracles {great ones}. [This is Rav Moshe Feinstein's letter.] There is, you have, ah, yes.

[Yes, here is the letter.] ["To all our brethren, the Children of Israel, with a blessing of peace and blessing: I hereby come to recommend the gaon..." He writes about you, "gaon."] If he saw that our holy Rabbainu writes "my precious student," [Yes.] then ah... he cannot not write... [He writes about you: "He is a very important man and has great knowledge of the wisdom of Kabbalah."] (Saba laughs.) [Rav Moshe Feinstein wrote only the truth.] [Yes, he was a very great man.] [Rav Moshe Feinstein wrote only the truth.] Rav Moshe Feinstein. [Yes, he wrote only the truth; what he wrote is true.] Yes, certainly. [And he wrote, "a very important man and he has great knowledge of the wisdom of Kabbalah."] (Saba laughs.) [He writes...] {He knows about me.} [What?] In Kabbalah. [Did Rav Moshe Feinstein know Kabbalah?] He, he knew a little. [He knew a little Kabbalah? He knew Kabbalah? He was a gaon in the revealed Torah, wasn't he?] He, he wrote such an approbation. [It seems to me he did not write such an approbation for anyone: "a gaon, a very important man."] Yes, famous throughout the world. [And the Petek was inside a book? The Petek was inside a book?] Ah? [The Petek from the Rebbe—the letter was inside a book?] Yes. [Which book?] "Likutay Halachos," "Orach Chaim," part one, page 105. [Where? In which "Likutay Halachos"?] ["Orach Chaim."] "Orach Chaim." "Orach Chaim" has three parts, and this is part one. [Part one.] Part one, ah... part one, page 105. [Page 105.] [You were, you were a student of Rabbi Yisroel Kardonner, correct?] {..} [Rabbi Yisroel Kardonner.] I have no strength to speak; enough {....} [As it is written, bless him; he is of marriageable age, that he should merit a fitting match.]

[I have a brother.] [His brother needs to become engaged; one must bless him.] Do you have a brother? [Yes.] [I have a brother.] You are four brothers. [....] [He is my cousin; he is not Rav Alter's son.] Ah. [He is Rav Alter's nephew.] He— [Rav Alter's nephew.] [...] [A nephew. He was Rav Alter's son, and he is the son of Rav Alter's sister.] I do not understand. [I am Rav Alter's son.] The son? [I am the son.] You are four brothers. [He is not Rav Alter's son.] Ah? [He is not Rav Alter's son; he is the son...] {...} [Of Rav Alter's sister.] [I am a nephew, nephew, nephew, nephew.] [He is Rav Alter's nephew.] He... [He is Rav Alter's nephew.] [Nephew, nephew.] He is not the son, son... [He is not Rav Alter's son.] {...} [He is Chaya's son. Do you remember Chaya, Rav Shmuel Horowitz's daughter, Chaya?] The son. [Rav Shmuel Horowitz's daughter, Chaya; he is Chaya's son.] Chaya. [He is Chaya's son.] Ah, ah, he is the son of, of the aunt. [Yes, he has a brother, and after that he needs to become engaged.] Ah? [He has a brother who needs to become engaged; his brother needs a blessing.] Nu. [For a fitting match, and he too is already of age; bless him...] He has a brother who, he, he {is drawing close} to Rabbainu? [Yes, one needs..., one needs to bless him for a fitting match, his brother.] Ah? [One needs to bless his brother for a fitting match; bless his brother.] The sister, Rav Shmuel's sister? [Yes, his mother. He, he—bless him that he should draw close...] He is a son of Rav Shmuel's daughter. [My mother is Rav Shmuel's daughter.] Rav Shmuel's daughter. [Yes, yes.] [Thank God we merited.] Yes.

[He writes here that...] How many brothers are you? [They are ten children, five brothers and five sisters.] Five brothers. [And five sisters.] And five? [Sisters.] Sisters? [Yes.] Yes, ten children. [Yes.] Thank God. [Rabbi Yisroel Kardonner said that your drawing close was a great wonder. What did Rabbi Yisroel..., Rabbi Yisroel Kardonner say about your drawing close?] {It is} entirely miracles and wonders; I have no strength to speak. [The Holy One, blessed is He, should grant you a complete recovery.] But one need not speak much. [Because it is written...] One sees, one sees the truth; one sees, one sees... such a Petek. […] No, no, no approbation is needed, none is needed, yes. [The Petek from the Rebbe—the Rebbe himself recommends.] Yes, this is his handwriting, and this is his signature. It was revealed only by Rabbainu himself. {{..}} I—the whole Torah in its entirety: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman." ["Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman."] Only our holy Rabbainu revealed it. "Nachman MeUman." The holy Baal Shem merited—he merited to bring our holy Rabbainu into the world. [He was Rabbainu's grandfather.] Yes, yes. This is such a wondrous matter; there are, there are no words to speak. [Did you ever have a dream of the Rebbe?] What? [Did you ever see the...] Yes. [What happened?] {I have no strength to speak.} […] I have already seen Rabbainu several times, a few times. [How many? Many times?] A few times. [...] Three times. [How did you merit this? How did you merit this?] Ah? [How did you merit this?] Do I know? That is how the Blessed God {wanted it}, yes. One needs {much}. [It brings thoughts of repentance, seeing this Petek.] Just to see {{the bread}}, just to see the handwriting and the language—one sees that this is... {that this is Rabbainu}.

[The Rebbe's handwriting.] And it also revealed his name, "Na Nach... Nachman MeUman." [You have a song from this.] "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman." [How do you sing it, how do you sing it?] Ah? [How do you sing it? A song, a song.] [I heard that they sing...] [A friend sings: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman..."] The song. [Rabbi, Saba will sing with us.] [The friend continues singing: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman..."] This is the whole Torah in its entirety, the whole... [Everyone sings it.] Everyone knows about this song. [Yes.] [The friend continues to sing, and afterward Saba sings: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman..."]... ...Everyone sees the photographs that exist in the world. One sees, one sees in it, without, without investigations, without wisdoms. [Yes.] One sees that it is true and certain and correct. It is not, not a human being who wrote it—not the language and not, and not the handwriting. [Saba and the friends sing: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman..."] There are more, there are more melodies. [Which melodies?] Yes, {of the....} [Saba and the friends sing: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman..." to another melody.] [.............] [.............] There has never yet been such a wonder in the world from any tzaddik—a letter? [The letter arrived more than one hundred years after the Rebbe's passing.] [This is a novelty that had never been in the world.] "My precious student," "and concerning you I said"—what is this?... ...He wanted to be an Admor; he was not... an Admor, yes. "The wicked will be silenced in darkness"—the initials spell RaBi, yes. [These are people famous for falsehood.] He is already wicked, wicked. [What?] "The wicked will be silenced in darkness"—the initials spell RaBi. [Are there more wicked ones?] "Head of the Children of Israel"—the initials spell RaBi.

And "the wicked will be silenced in darkness"—the initials spell RaBi. [.... "The wicked will be silenced in darkness"—these are people famous for falsehood.] Yes. [And "Head of the Children of Israel" is one famous for truth, tzaddikim, a true tzaddik.] Yes, one "Head of the Children of Israel"—this is our holy Rabbainu. [He made a new song of "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman"... "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman."] "Head of the Children of Israel"—the initials spell RaBi. [.....] He is the Rebbe of all Israel. [One of the friends sings: "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman..."] Yes. [Beautiful?] This is the book—how many baalei teshuvah were made by this book. Everyone, all the baalei..., everyone says that "there is nothing like it." "Likutay Tfilos"—there is nothing in the world like "Likutay Tfilos." [..] [What is this—is this "Likutay Tfilos," is it not...?] [This is "Torah and Prayer"; the Rebbe commanded that "Torahs and prayers" be made.] [....] [This is holy writing.] This... this... I, I bound the "Likutay Moharan," the Torah teachings, together with the prayers. [The Rebbe says to make prayers from the Torah teachings.] But the "Likutay Moharan," it, is at length, and I took the book of Rabbi Yisroel Kardonner. This, this is "Kitzur Likutay Moharan." [Likutay Moharan.] Yes, and it, it made many baalei teshuvah. [One needs to make an ordinance...] Genuine ones. [One needs to make an ordinance in Breslov to recite from this book every day.] Yes. [One needs to make an ordinance from today.] Yes. [Rabbi Nachman..., this, this is "Likutay Tfilos" here; Rabbi Nasan himself commanded this...] [To recite "Likutay Tfilos" every day.] Who, who? [Rabbi Nasan said: "From now, now that there are already prayers..., the 'Likutay Tfilos,' an accounting will be demanded for every day on which one does not recite them."

So from today we will begin to recite every day from this holy book.] [One should simply recite from it.] This was Rabbi Nasan's hisbodedus. [Yes.] A drop from the sea. [What?] A drop from the sea. [When he was in Teveria, what, what did the rabbis in Teveria say about the Petek? Did they also know about the Petek?] No need. [No need, no need...?] If one sees only the Petek, then... [......] One sees, one sees that it is... [Yes, but those who were not Breslovers, they were not Breslov Chassidim— Rav Moshe Klirs, Rav Motl the Slonimer.] {Nein} (no). [What?] Nothing, like animals, beasts, donkeys. [They knew nothing at all about Breslov, ah? They were Slonimers.] [Rav Shmuel Horowitz took the Petek to Poland, correct?] {..} [I heard that he took it to Poland, yes?] [The Petek, do you remember? Rav Shmuel Horowitz took the Petek to Poland?] [Is this true? I heard so...] [Do you remember?] [What?] [Did he take the Petek to Poland? Rav Shmuel Horowitz?] {Oy vey.} He saw the Petek, th... th... [Saba.] Saba. {He passed away, he passed away.} [What did he?] But he saw the Petek. [Yes.] [He was a great tzaddik, Rav Shmuel Horowitz.] [You drew him close.] Approbations are not needed; it testifies, testifies for itself, when one sees it... [This is the Rebbe's handwriting.] One sees, one sees that it, that it is above nature. [................] Ah... [................] [...............] {..} [It is a segulah for many things to say "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman." It is a segulah to say "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman."] Such a wonder. ["Na Nach Nachma..."] Only he himself revealed himself.

That this is "Na..." "Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman." [A double, triple, quadruple song.] This, this is the melody of, of "simple, double, triple, quadruple," ah, {..} [Fortunate are we that in such a generation this holy letter was revealed.] But this was seventy years ago. [It says 5682.] [5682.] The Petek. [Yes.] Seventy years ago. [One hundred and ten years after the Rebbe's passing.] Oy. [.....] [How old were you when the Petek was revealed? How old were you when the Petek was revealed?] {I do not remember}, I do not remember and do not know. [Were you already a young married man?] Ah. [......] [God will help.] Yes. [A complete recovery; may the Petek be revealed throughout the world and accepted throughout the world.] Yes. [...................................] [.................................] [Good night.] Good. [Good, a good month.] Tell your father... [.....] that he should come to me, that... ah... If I could, I would go to him. But I cannot go; let him come {......} [All right, I will speak with him, all right.] [...................................] [.....................................] {....}, the son of, of the daughter of Rav {Shmil}. [Yes, Rosenfeld.] Rosenfeld, Rosenfeld, oy, oy. [Did you know...] He passed away; he had... [Rav Moshe Dov Rosenfeld.] [....] He had— [He had an illness.] An illness, yes. [Yes.] [Rav Elazar Mordechai.] Ah? [Rav Elazar Mordechai Rosenfeld. Do you remember?] He, they cut off his hand... [Yes.] May we be spared. [Yes, today he has a very fine family, thank God.] Ah? [A fine family.] Oy. [Thank God.] Is that so? [Oy, thank God.] [Splendid, splendid, God-fearing, Torah scholars.] He left ten children. [Ten children.] {..} [A dayan.]

Yes. [Yes, he merited.] Does he have sons, daughters? [{Y.e.s.,} yes.] [Five sons, five daughters.] Five? [Six, six have already married.] Ah? [There are already more than ten grandchildren; there are already grandchildren too.] Grandchildren. [For Rav Elazar Mordechai.] [.........] [........] [They are grandchildren of, of Rav Shimon Rosenfeld, the Rebbe's student.] Yes? [Yes.] [He is a great-grandson of Rav Shmuel Horowitz, a great-grandson.] Rav Shmuel—I drew him close. [Yes.] He became bar mitzvah, and I came to Tzfat and I spoke with him about Rabbi Yisroel, about Rabbainu. Rabbainu and Rabbi Yisroel Kardonner, yes. And he immediately drew close, yes; he, he cast away all the wisdoms and all the questions, and everything, everything—his mother...