...Oy, come to me; {then} through this you will draw close to Hashem, blessed be He, to the Torah, yes And you will have a complete healing, a complete repentance, yes Such Torah teachings, such stories, such conversations have not yet been in the world Such disciples—Rebbe Nassan, Rebbe Nassan, the disciple of our holy Rabbainu Rebbe Nassan—and he was a gaon and a tzaddik, such a gaon His father-in-law was a world-renowned gaon [Yes] Rebbe Dovid Tzvi [Yes] The whole world knows him; he was, he was the rabbi over, over a large territory in Russia [Yes, yes] Larger, larger than the Land of Yisroel Nu, he, he installed God-fearing rabbis [Yes] Our holy Rabbainu spoke of him; he was a gaon Our holy Rabbainu said to Rebbe Nassan: “Your father-in-law is a gaon and a tzaddik” He was not a gaon for himself, for a name, for honor, for.. he was a gaon, yes And even so, he did not know of Rabbainu; he knew… ...Who is this? Who is this? [Yisroel Meir] Yisroel Meir? [Yoy] What is the news in Russia? [Blessed be Hashem] Can one travel? [Yes, yes] To Russia [Soon there is a plane to Kishinev] Ah? [Soon, in another two weeks, there will be flights to Kishinev, Kishinev, Kishinev] Kishinev [Kishinev; one can travel Monday and return Wednesday] Like that? [Yes, they can do it “one-two”] They will come; from all over the world they will come to Uman […….]… ...[……] ]]{Yoy, ….. cannot speak}… ] ] [ ….The miracles and wonders that will be at the time of the redemption now—more, more than the redemption from Egypt [Yes] I saw this in the Zohar [Yes] Yes [...]… ...{…} that he should, that he should merit to raise him to Torah, to the wedding canopy, and to good deeds [Amen] And all salvations

[[Amen]]… ...{…} Perhaps to give me some place to be there beside the synagogue, to hear Kaddish and the.. [Ah..] Yes, ask them [I will ask him] Perhaps he, perhaps he will do it [All right, I will ask him] Good… ...The Land of Yisroel is a holy land; we are a holy people, yes, it is ours The whole world is, is “the land of the nations,” not the Land of Yisroel; only here is the Land of Yisroel [Here is the holiness] Yes… …(Saba laughs)… ...I had a few coins, a few pennies; I gave him, yes And blessed be Hashem, I paid him, but he gave me the book “When you have money, bring it to me” Shoyn, that is how it was [Whoever has compassion on creatures, compassion is shown to him] All the beauty of this printing of Rebbe Yisroel—it had such beauty, and the binding was [And where is it now? Where is it now?] Ah? [Where is it?] {I} do not know There was such a binding and such paper; one does not see such beauty, yes, and blessed be Hashem… ...How Hashem, blessed be He, had mercy on me, and I found such a book—the printing of Rebbe N.. of Rebbe Yisroel, such beauty and such a binding—and he gave it to me “When you have money, bring it to me” He gave it to me; he understood that I needed this book very much, he understood it And he had a battle in his heart—what.. If he sells the book, there is no other; everyone knew they were not printing them, because people did not buy them “Likutey Tefillos”—who, who would say “Likutey Tefillos”? [And did you make use of it? Rebbe Yisroel] And he gave me the book—a fierce battle, yes, he... ...He could have earned a lot, because it could not be obtained It could not be obtained, bought, so they did not, did not print it… ...I had “Likutey Tefillos” from several printings from abroad, yes..

..There was such beauty, such grace, such awakening But I gave it away; no, I did not profit—I gave it as bar mitzvah gifts There were, I had several books—three, two or three books, yes I bought and gave; I bought And I do not have one; none remained for me. I gave them as gifts to the people of our circle A bar mitzvah, a bridegroom—so I gave gifts, and I was left without one The printing was so beautiful; one does not see, one does not see {..}.. [You do not have “Likutey Tefillos”]… ...And the book {it…..} And I loved the people of our circle What? He has a bar mitzvah, and I should not give a gift? I have no money; I took a “Likutey Tefillos” and gave it to him Shimon Anshin, do you know him? [Yes] Ah? [Yes] For his bar mitzvah I gave him—I gave him such a “Likutey Tefillos” That was already more than seventy years ago… ...A possibility of contacting my daughter Tzipporah [Yes] You know her number [Yes, yes] Yes Tell her that you saw me [Yes] And I long very much to hear from them—how, how they are, how each one is [All right, all right] If possible [Yes, yes, it is possible; I, I will tell her, yes]… ...[They were the disciples of the Maggid; they were the disciples.. The “Noam Elimelech” was the disciple of the Maggid of Mezeritch] Of whom? [Of the Maggid of Mezeritch, of the Maggid of Mezeritch The Maggid, the Great Maggid, the disciple of the Baal Shem Tov So the “Noam Elimelech” was his disciple] Yes? [Yes] Of? [Of the Maggid] Ah? [Of the Maggid of Mezeritch, the Maggid; have you not heard of the Maggid?]… ...[Rav Nachum of Chernobyl—great ones, great ones of the world] Great ones [So they were once in a house, in the synagogue, engaged in a passage in the Zohar, to understand the Zohar; and they all, and they toiled for several hours, several hours, and did not manage to understand the Zohar

And in the afternoon Rebbe Zusha entered the beis medrash and asked them.. So he saw that they were working hard and did not understand] Nu [So he asked them: “What, what is the problem?”] Yoy [So they told him: there is a difficulty, the Zohar is difficult, and so on He asked them: “Which difficulty?” So they told him; that was it He went to a corner there and began to cry to the Holy One, blessed be He, because he wanted to understand it Then, then, then Rebbe Shimon came to him and told him the answer] Yes? [Yes, he told him the entire answer; they did not see it Rebbe Shimon came and told him the entire answer from the Zohar Afterward he went from the corner over to them and told them the..] The explanation [“Rebbe Zusha, you are such a simple person; how do you know?” So he told them that he had prayed to Hashem; he had cried to Hashem Then Rebbe Shimon came and told him the answer Nu, how much one can merit through hisbodedus They were wise, and they did not succeed] I heard a story about Rebbe Zusha [..] He went wandering, in exile [Yes] From city to city [Yes] They did not recognize him [Yes] And he sat at night, and there was always Torah, and he learned And there was one rich man who sent him breakfast with his child [Yes] He sent him, yes, always {A rich man}, the rich man knew that he sent him food every day [Yes] A good meal, good tidings Eggs and olives and.. and butter, yes; he would send him a good meal And Rebbe Zusha would say to Hashem, blessed be He: “Master of the World, Zusha is {hungry}, Zusha is hungry” [Hungry] Th.. th.. th.. that He should give him food Then the rich man heard how Rebbe Zusha spoke to Hashem, blessed be He, and he became angry: “What is this? I send him food every day, and he says that Zusha, Zusha is hungry, that He should provide him food—what is this?” So he said:

“If he asks Hashem, blessed be He, to give him food—let Hashem, blessed be He, give him food; I will not give him any” Then there happened to be another rich man who had a bad dream, so he said at home: “His meal should be sent to the man at the synagogue,” yes He is a chassid and.. yes, they should send the meal; he wants to fast So what he was supposed to eat, they should send {…} to Rebbe Zusha Then he saw—he had said: “I will not send him food; let Hashem, blessed be He, give him food” Then another rich man had a bad dream and sent his own meal to Rebbe Zusha at the synagogue He fasted; he said: “They should give it to.. to the synagogue; there is a Torah scholar there..” [So he saw that it was not he who determined it; it was Hashem, blessed be He] Yes, yes He saw them bringing him food, a good meal [There was another story about Rebbe Zusha; are you listening?] Ah? [There was a story about Rebbe Zusha] Yes [There was a Jew abroad whose father died] He said—was he in the Land of Yisroel? [No, I do not know, I do not know, {hertz} There was a Jew abroad] Nu [Whose father died] Yoy [And the father came to the son in a dream] Yoy [That he had great troubles there in th.. in.. the Upper World] Yes [Great troubles, troubles all the time. What is it? See what is happening; why does he have troubles? And he had been a tzaddik So he went to.. to..] To Rebbe Zusha [No, he went to the Gaon of Vilna, and the Gaon of.. he went to the Gaon of Vilna] Yes, is this a story? [Yes, and then the Gaon of Vilna..] The dead man, this dead man? [No, the dead man’s son] The.. the dead man’s son [Went to the Gaon of Vilna; he says that his father comes in a dream all the time and something is not right]

{..} [So, so he went, and he had two sons; one went to Rebbe Zusha, one went to the Gaon of Vilna. The one who went to the Gaon of Vilna—so he told him, he gave him an answer, he gave him an answer, he told him what had happened. He went to Rebbe Zusha; Rebbe Zusha told him: “Check the grave, check the grave; there is, ah.. Ah.. what is it called, a Christian image, the image] Yes? [On the grave there is one; that is why he has troubles] Ah [Remove it; search there on the ground and remove it” Rebbe Zusha told him this Then they came to the Gaon of Vilna and related that Rebbe Zusha had given this answer So he said: “How does Rebbe Zusha know? How does Rebbe Zusha know?] Yoy [He is not a Torah scholar; how does he know? Granted, I know—it is written in the Gemara] Yes? [Yes, it is written in the Gemara: if there is something belonging to gentiles, it is not But how does Rebbe Zusha know? How does he know?” So Rebbe Zusha told him: “He knows from Rav Ashi, from Rav Ashi, and Abaye] From Abaye [He.. but he knows from the Holy One, blessed be He—directly from the Holy One, blessed be He”] {…} [The One who told Rav Ashi told him as well] Yes… ...[He said of Rebbe Zusha that he had fervor for twenty-one years] Yes [You know, it is written in “Chayei Moharan”] In the heart, in the first heart [In one single fervor, yes] [Pshh..] [You know, when Rebbe Zusha died, when he was about to depart from the world His disciples asked him: “To whom should we draw close?”] Yoy [So he told them: “Go to a rebbe before whom one makes verbal confession”] {Yes} [They said: “What will we do? To whom will we go? We have no rebbe; you..”

Go to a rebbe—and therefore they called Breslovers “Viduiniks,” confession-men]… ...Great ones, elders, great ones… ...[..Admorim] And masters of Kabbalah and.. yes, they had fear of Heaven And I went to them; I did not yet know of Rebbe Yisroel I went, and he loved me; he—I entered with me into his house—and he received me lovingly But he was an opponent; all the Slonim Chassidim oppose Breslov Afterward, when I merited to draw close to Rebbe Yisroel, and.. and.. And I received all kinds, all kinds of humiliation and bloodshed He told me: “If you feel that this instills fear of Heaven and emunah in you Do not listen to Rav Motl, or to any person in the world” But he told me in a whisper [Who, Rebbe Yisroel?] Not in front of everyone [Who said it? Rebbe Yisroel?] Rav Liishka, Rav Liishka [From Slonim?] There was one, this elder [From Slonim] Who was greater than all of them; he told me: “If you feel that this brings fear of Heaven and emunah into you Do not listen either to Rav Motl or to anyone.. not to the Rav and not to..” [Pshh..] Yes, blessed be Hashem, and for me this was.. [Strengthening] A great strengthening, because the world is a world of their own [Yes, yes] Yes [Of the opponents] But he had some point of truth in him And he told me—he recognized in me that I was searching for some truth, that I was searching for truth So he told me: “If you feel that this instills emunah, fear of Heaven, and observance of the Torah in you Do not listen to anyone” [Yes] That is what he told me, but in a whisper [And he told you not to reveal it] Beside, beside the Sea of Kinneret, beside the mikveh [...] And there was no one, only he and I, so he told me, {with emunah}; he did not tell me not to reveal it

[He did not tell you?] No, no, no, no; only, he, he did not say it in front of people [In front of people] He knew I would not reveal it, because what would I gain from it? [Only lose]... ...And wonders greater than the Exodus from Egypt, which I had How I merited to emerge from all of them and overcame with {great} strength and might, so that they all fell from it They saw the might, so they fell They were all {…} against me, and I suffered such lowliness and humiliation But there were good gifts Oy vey... […]... {…} …[.…] {.…}... [But do you want to write “Rebbe Yisroel Odesser”?] Ah? [Do you want to write Rebbe Yisroel Odesser—Rebbe—or only Yisroel Ber Odesser?] Yisroel Ber Odesser [Shlita?] Yes [Shlita?] Neiro ya’ir […..] {….} [Neiro ya’ir] [Ah.. N.Y.] [……………………………………………………..] [……………………………………………………..] [Yisroel Dov, or Yisroel Ber?] Ah? Yisroel Ber [Yisroel Ber Odesser] Bais, ayin, reish: Yisroel Ber Odesser [And N.Y.] As it is written, as the.. President Shazar wrote [Yes] “Avi HaNachal” is an acronym [Yisroel...] Y’isroel B’er O’desser [……………….…..] […………………...] He was a Hebrew, Hebrew; then it was—he should have written “Yisroel Dov Odesser,” “Yisroel Dov.” No, he wrote to me in Yiddish: Yisroel Ber [Yes] […...] [Saba, this, this is a two-hundred-shekel note with the picture of Shazar] Good, I—perhaps {the shlita\you wanted} me to print “Avi HaNachal” again, so I.. [Wait, wait, wait, this belongs to, this belongs to..] Then, then I, then I will distribute the photographs—Shazar and me He had it made by a great expert from Germany; he brought it—it came out, he and I

[Ah, so the picture] [Yes, Yaakov’s] Yes [Do you have it? Do you have it?] [It is with Yaakov] [Which one, Shiloach?] [Yes, a picture] [Is it a picture or a photograph?] [...] No, no, no, I did not remember this [A picture or a photograph?] And now I—this will be a sanctification of Hashem’s Name So that everyone, everyone, every {one}, whoever buys a book, will see that Shazar was {Close to..}, ah.. my friend, yes [Perhaps it is possible, possible to print it in the “Writings” But perhaps this also causes opposition; they still hate Shazar] […] [I do not see the problem; he wants to bring people close to Breslov, and also, also the secular Jews, and there is..] [Yes, two, two, two things] [But ...] [Good, then “Yisroel Ber Odesser”] Yes [N.Y., Rebbe Yisroel Odesser..] Yes, I made a wedding, a wedding for my son; I made a wedding [Yes] So he, he came to the wedding fr.. fr.. fr.. from his office to northern Tel Aviv, to be at some hotel; he came, he came, yes And Goldman was, was the head, the head of, of the Agency; he told him: “You cannot travel; I cannot, alone I cannot, cannot possibly finish alone You must stay, be here!” So he told him: “No, no, no, no, I must travel!” So he left him and he.. and traveled [He said that he would enter the President’s residence without an invitation whenever he wanted] [Yoy?] [Yes]... ...A Breslov Chassid will write at his place about, about Rabbainu’s Torah teachings and prayers [………….] The Writings of Rebbe Nachman; so the name of the book is “The Writings of Rebbe Nachman of Breslov” […………..] [Saba, Saba, Rosh Chodesh Nissan is Rabbainu’s birthday] Yoy [Perhaps the book will be finished before then—if only]

If only, if only [How are you making the ……] [……..] [What is it? A stripe like this? Also] [We have a stripe; there is a round stripe here, in the middle I have a circle, and something else very beautiful] [……..] [….….] […] [You will see it; what I have will drive you wild, ……] Yoy, the.. printers of the book, afterward I want perhaps.. [to print it again, yoy, yoy] […………..] After {they finish\they buy} [To print it again] To print it again [With Hashem’s help we will print a million] Ah? [With Hashem’s help we will print millions] Yes, yes [Not a thousand] Yes [A thousand is a drop in the sea] Everyone will search for “The Writings of Rebbe Nachman” [Yes, with Hashem’s help] This name has great efficacy: “The Writings of Rebbe Nachman” [Can an “in elevation of the soul” be inserted?] [What?] [Ask Saba whether it is possible to make an “in elevation of the soul”] And this [At the end, it is a memorial, Saba] The Writings of Rebbe Nachman and his disciple Rebbe Nassan [Yes] “The Writings of Rebbe Nachman”—what, what is this? It is very awesome [Do you want it?] [Yes, …………..] [Saba] […..] The President made a self-sacrifice [Yes] He printed it; he gave it as a gift to the officials, to all the officials of his office, and to all the Kness.. He, he, he gave it to all his friends, without charge [Yes] [………………………………….] [Saba, is it possible to make a page for elevations of souls in the book?] Ah? [To make, to print in elevation of souls in the book] [At the end] [At the end of the book?] Yes, in elevation of the President’s soul [The President] President Shazar [Yisroel Kardonner?] Ah? [Yisroel Kardonner, Rebbe Yisroel, in elevation of his soul?] This, this is separate and that is separate; the President—first of all the President [All right] Afterward..

[But..] We will begin the holy names [Friends are possible] Rebbe Yisroel, and more, and more, and more [Which, which others? You will think] [Give me one second to ask him] No [Just a moment] [Saba, is it possible to make an “in elevation of the soul”?] Ah? [In elevation of relatives’ souls?] Yes, yes, yes [At the end of the book] Yes, at the end of the book [And to donate sums] Yes, yes, yes, yes [That will help with the printing] Good, at the end of the book [Yes, all right] We will talk about it [All right] [………………………………..] […………………….………….] Perhaps we will not, not, not write “in elevation of the soul” [Not write] The President [Not write] Because they will rise up [And there is also the opposition, also..] In Jerusalem, in Meah Shearim, the.. will rise up [Opponents] The “Neturei Karta” and all of them [Yes] {…..}… ...(Saba recites the formula for kindling a Chanukah light) [Shamash] (Saba recites the formula for kindling a Chanukah light “May it be Your will..,” “Blessed.. to kindle the Chanukah light,” the “Shehecheyanu..” blessing, “These lights..”) Ah.. {It is already burning} Good, good It should not touch th.. th.. th.. the merchandise [No, no] There could be a fire [No, it is protected, Saba, it is protected] Oy (Saba recites the blessing “by Whose word all things came to be..”) [Amen]… ...[….]… ...[The friends sing: “Ma’oz Tzur, Rock of my salvation..”]… ...(Not understood) [What, stand here] (Saba recites the blessing “to kindle the Chanukah light..”) [[Amen]] (Saba recites the blessing “Who performed miracles for our ancestors..”) [[Amen]] “These lights..” … ...[Saba, goodbye] Are you traveling as well? [With Hashem’s help] {….}… ...[……………………………...] ...How can one say that this is, that this is mine? That this is [They say that this is the Rebbe’s handwriting]

What person wrote this? [The cabinet—I heard the cabinet was locked] Ah? [The cabinet was locked] {What…..} Even without any {understanding}, only to see this handwriting and this language [Brings joy..] Already, already one sees that it is Rabbainu [Right; now what is it, what is the secret—behold, I will reveal a secret to you, and it is..] “Full and heaped, full and heaped, from line to line,” {I do not.. ….}, {{. .}} [It is Kabbalah] It is.. {..}, “פ'צ'..”…