...{…} [It is recording, it is recording] After all, everyone persecuted me and I suffered what I suffered—such disgraces, and such humiliation Truly miracles, miracles how, how I held on And on the other hand the whole city, the whole city said, thought that Yisroel Ber.. [went crazy] He, he, he is a wondrous matter, yes {...} And I would suffer anguish from this more than from all the disgraces, from their regarding me as a tzaddik, that I am.. [a decent man] In any event it was like this, in the whole city, whoever was making some celebration, and a wedding, I danced at the wedding [more than everyone] And they were left without hands and without feet, and everyone {looking …..} All the great ones and all the.. {…}, the whole city, they saw such dancing, so.. In any event, then, then it became a custom in the city that every groom and bride [invite you] (I do not understand) make a wedding [invite you] They invited me, yes The groom, and the bride, and the family asked me that I come to the wedding Because they felt that this would be, this would be a joy for them, and the joy would be great So they came, came to my home and begged for mercy that I come to the wedding to bring joy and there would be joy at the wedding So I had great anguish from this The disgraces {and the humiliations} are good, but this is not.. I do not want to be famous, no ["A rabbi of weddings”] The general principle, in any event, and this matter grew stronger from day to day and became more and more famous in the city, and I had great anguish from this, more than from all the disgraces, "What do they want from me?” In any event I saw, I had hisbodidus and I saw, I, I, I find myself.. [How does one get out of this?] "How does one get out of this? What, what, what, what can be done? Such a disaster, what is this?”

The general principle, a thought entered my heart: "That you have no advice at all, only one piece of advice—not to be a Chassid in a small city”, our holy Rabbainu said: a Chassid in a small city, he has publicity, he has honor So I, so, so there is no, so I have a piece of advice: to leave the small city for the large city, for Yerushalayim.. [For Yerushalayim] Yerushalayim is a large city; I can dance and be crazy all day and all night and no one will know, "So your place is in Yerushalayim" [..] Fine, the thought came to me again, and again, and again {…} I said, I decided, "To leave a small city—for Yerushalayim, to leave Teveria for Yerushalayim" Nu, and this was in my heart, so I said, "What, what, what to do?” So, um.., I decided to say at home to the wife, "That I want to move from Teveria to Yerushalayim," and she knew that even in the yeshivah I do not keep the schedule, I am always going on journeys, to Meron, to.. Out of mercy they give me two liras a month, out of compassion And if I move to Yerushalayim, then I will not have even the two liras So she said to me: "I will die and I will not go, and I will not go from Teveria" Because she wanted, she saw that they regarded me highly [She had grown accustomed to the place] Yes, yes.. {….} But, then I said to her again, and again, I said to her: "I have only decided, I have no.. I must leave Teveria for Yerushalayim" Nu, until Hashem, blessed be He, had mercy on me, n.., and she, and she, and she understood that I am such a stubborn person that.. [No, I have no remedy] It will not help, there is no remedy, there is nothing, no remedy at all, she is compelled to go to Yerushalayim So we went to Yerushalayim, we sold the.. the.. the.. [The apartment]

The furniture, everything, {now we are moving}, yes [The bakery] And I went to Yerushalayim, and I also thought "To Yerushalayim I am going to a wilderness place, who.. [Whom do I know?] Who will give me a piece of bread, where, how? {nothing} I go to the yeshivah and I have two liras a month But in Yerushalayim the two liras a month {no…}, what will come of this?” In any event I overcame and traveled with the wife and with Nachman, I had.. [Nachman, the older one, yes] Yes, Nachman We went to Yerushalayim, we went to Yerushalayim [With donkeys?] Huh? [With donkeys?] We went to Yerushalayim, no [There was already a car] There was already a car, the British, the British, there was already, there was already a car, yes {We} went to Yerushalayim And in Yerushalayim I came to Reb Shlomo Wexler, my friend, Reb Shlomo Wexler When he saw me , he blessed me and he said to me: "Take care that you have faith and trust, trust not to leave Yerushalayim, to remain in Yerushalayim," yes "That you have faith and trust, and blessed is Hashem that you merited to come to Yerushalayim" Fine, Reb Shlomo told me, but money and dollars {...}.. [He did not give] He, he said to me: "That you did well" "and faith and trust" [And what about dollars?] {..…..} {Fine} I wanted to be near, to live next to the Breslov synagogue on Chevron Street, near the Beis HaMikdash [Not the one of today] Huh? [Not where it is today] [In the Old City] [In the Old City] In the Old City, yes, no, in the Old City there was not [Then it did not exist] Today it is "Paris" [Yes] The Old City, but then it was.. there were caves.. [Yes?] Yes, who can describe what was, how Teveria and Yerushalayim looked

In any event, in this way Hashem, blessed be He, arranged for her, arranged for me a room at someone's courtyard [Someone came all the way to you?] Huh? [Someone suddenly came to you?] Hashem, blessed be He, it became known to me that there was a room, in any event.. [Without money?] We searched for a room, {I became known} that this was the room next to the synagogue [Without money?] Why, why without money? [How much?] Uh.. as a rental, there was rent and I do not remember [You paid him?] Then there were no dollars.. [You paid him?] Then there were only grushim [You paid him?] Yes [You paid him?] I paid him [Yes? ... you had money..] But I had nothing to eat [Fine] {Yes} [There is a house?] So they told me that there was the soup kitchen of Reb Shlomo, of one man, there was, who had no sons And one wealthy man, gave, Strauss gave him for a kitchen that she should distribute bread and cooked food to the poor, not meat.. [Bread and tea] Bread, and lentils {..} [Bread and tea] Bread and tea, yes Nu, there is nothing to eat, so I went and there is a line, what, I am not of distinguished lineage [Yes] I came; there were many women [By the time they finished the line, there was nothing to eat] They are quarreling {..}.. "Me first, me first, first..” And I came, "When to go..? [My turn] {….} and the cooked food?” And I stood among women and it was bitter for me, I saw the Angel of Death, it was very bitter for me : "What have I done? I came to Yerushalayim in order to stand among women in a line..? {…..}” ["For this I came to Yerushalayim?”] In any event, it was very bitter for me: "What, what does one do? I am compelled to stand in a line among women, what to do? It is impossible for me" So Hashem, blessed be He, had mercy on me, there was one old man next to me [A neighbor?] In the second courtyard

[A neighbor] A neighbor who was alive, who was poor, and every day he went to take the bread and the.. and the cooked food [Yes, so he also brought you] Then suddenly he said to me: "Why should you go.. [To stand] I am going for myself, so give me a vessel and I will bring the bread with the vessel for the cooked food I will bring it to you every single day" Oy, I heard this.. "Kindness from Hashem Yisbarach, {..} I was spared the line, {thank you..}" And he was a simple, sincere man, yes, and he loved me, loved me, blessed me, yes And he had {from this}, a good life from this, from this mitzvah that he was doing That he brings me the bread and the cooked food He brought me, I saw sublime kindness, and this man was very happy with this "And baruch Hashem there is bread, they bring it to my home.. […..] I was spared the line" It was like this for two and a half years [Yes] We also suffered, suffered, suffered very much, so I had, I had thoughts, maybe I will return to Teveria? "Even though the man brings me the bread, but there is still {...} [Teveria is Teveria] There is a mitzvah, and Shabbos candles are also needed, and also challah, and also.." In Teveria it was like this, the entire burden was on her I had, I, I had two liras a month, and that spared me the.. from all, from all of this [Yes, to serve Hashem] And.. but the two liras also did not come easily, because I traveled, journeys to Yerushalayim, to Meron So they said: "What kind of yeshiva student is this? He travels.., he fasts, and he does a mitzvah, but he is not a yeshiva student, he is a kosher man.. [The general rule..] Yes, but not a yeshiva student, he is not entitled to money" [And the general rule?] I came to take the two liras, so he said to me:

"You, this month you were in the yeshiva for three days, with what face do you come, do you come to receive money?” [Rebbe Yisroel, so what happened in Yerushalayim? Did you return to Teveria?] In Yerushalayim my thought began to think, "Maybe we will return to Teveria?” Like this, all, all the burden was on me, and there it was, it was.. [You were like a king] I have two liras a month" [Yes, nu, how d.., what happened?] I said: "To return" And I told Rav Shlomo: "I cannot endure it, I, I, I must.. [I have no strength, waiting for bread all day] I {{…}}, I decided to return to Teveria" Then Rav Shlomo says to me: "No! You will have the trait of trust, and not to leave Yerushalayim" [Yes] He said it to me forcefully [Not to leave the...] But I was wise, full of clever ideas, and I thought Rav Shlomo was nothing He, whatever he says then.., he, he.., I have no dollars, he does not give me dollars, he.. [He does not give, yes] Only faith and trust [Yes, what do I get from that? I need two liras] So I did not, did not, did not listen to Rav Shlomo [Yes] And I went to Teveria [Again?] Yes [With the whole family?] Yes, I returned with all the belongings, first.. [With the members of the household?] I went by myself [Ah.. to check] To check whether they would accept {back} "You are already a Yerushalmi, what? There is no place for.." [Two and a half years, maybe they forgot you] In any case, there were miracles: they took me back at two liras, maybe already two and a half liras But they took me back, they agreed to return, to return I b.., I first went alone, and she remained with Nachman, and Nachman.. And while I went to Teveria, Nachman came down with such pneumonia

That one in a thousand can come out of it, already beyond hope, there is nothing to do And there was a doctor, there was.. [Doctor Ticho?] A great doctor and professor, an old man, it was accepted in Yerushalayim that he was an angel That he was not ,not a doctor, only an angel [Professor] Yes [Wallach?] An angel, an angel, an angel [Doctor Wallach?] Doctor Wallach, that, that is another matter, he was an angel, he was more than Doctor Wallach He revived the dead In any case, I was not [But he took money] Eh? […….] There was a pharmacist in Yerushalayim who was a soul , a great soul He had compassion for, compassion for sick people, and she cried before him: "My husband went to Teveria, and I, the child is so sick and.." So he went and brought this angel {…}, to my son, and he.. [He healed him] Yes, and baruch Hashem he came out of the illness But the illness was so severe that he suffers with his breathing all the days of his life [Yes?] Yes, he was already beyond hope, and he {….} And I returned from Teveria to Yerushalayim to get them, and she told me: "Do you know what this is? Nachman, one who revives the dead, he was already dead", yes And I returned to Teveria and saw that Rav Shlomo, Rav Shlomo is, Rav Shlomo His words that he, that he said to me, he did not give me dollars, he only gave me faith and trust This, I was wise and I did not accept it, I received such troubles from the sons, from the sons [..] If I had lived in Yerushalayim [Would they have been religious?] Certainly, they would have studied in yeshivas and.. [I understand] Yes, and they would have married, and.. [They would have been religious] Yes, {then they would have….} But I was wise, I said: "I want the burden to be on her, not on me"

So you were wise, and Rav Shlomo shouted, he shouted at me with such shouts, in anger, in indignation: "Only Yerushalayim! Only Yerushalayim!" I said: What? Does he give me dollars? Does he give me money? What..? With faith and trust he {… me} I was wise [He, he should not teach me about faith and trust] Yes [I can teach him] I did not listen to him, and I went to Teveria, and it happened, and what happened to me happened regarding the children, and.. [But this is all for the note] This is a terrible story, two.., two years and a half Nu, if only I had listened to Rav Shlomo, I would have slowly, slowly moved to a larger apartment {….} getting married, the children would also have married [And they would have been Haredim] Yes, they would have been Haredim, and they would have studied, yeshiva students [Yes, they would have...] It would have been like this, and like this, {... ….. everything} Rav Shlomo said to me: "Only faith and trust" "{….} Do not leave, do not go out from Yerushalayim to Teveria And only faith and trust, sit here, here, here" [Do not go out from the note, only the note, do not worry, the note already arranges everything, closed] Oy, what this is.. [To close] I, I did not tell everything, only b.. in brief [I know that you do not tell everything] {..} [I know everything, that you tell nothing] I was firm in my decision, and Rav Shlomo, and Rav Shlomo said to me: "You will regret it all the days of your life.. [He is right] "Only faith and trust, and only Yerushalayim" I said, he does not give money, he does not give faith and trust [But it is for the good, for the good, everything in the end] Nu, if I had been in Yerushalayim, who knows whether there would have been Aharon and Alon and.. [It would have ended before that, what does it matter, it would have ended before that] Who knows whether we would now be in Bnei Brak?

[Yes, everything is planned, for the petek, everything is for the petek] I left the children, so I have other children {….} [Rebbe Yisroel, this was another test for you, to test you regarding the petek, it was intentional] What? What? [This was a test for you, to keep you strong with Rabbainu..] The petek was after I returned from Yerushalayim [Yes?] To Teveria, yes [Ah, so there was not yet the petek?] No [Ahh..] The petek, the petek was, the petek was [After you returned] After I returned from Yerushalayim to Teveria [After two and a half years] Yes, but.. [Ahh..] I already saw, saw.. [Ahh..] That I did not do well [But you returned for the petek] Rav Shlomo is right, Rav Shlomo.. [No, no, you returned for the petek] Rav Shlomo told me.. [Not Rav Shlomo, leave Rav Shlomo] And he shouted [But you returned for the petek, what are you talking about] And he trembled [He can shout] And he told me: "You will give an accounting, and you will regret this all the days of your life" [No, you returned..] "{…} only Yerushalayim" [For the petek, you returned..] "Only Yerushalayim" [No, only the petek..] "And only Yerushalayim" [Only petek] Rav Shlomo [Petek, petek, petek] And I, and I dismissed him, and in my heart: [There is a petek] "What? Does he give dollars? Does he give money?" [No, there is a petek, for the petek] {He tells me:} faith and trust" [Rebbe Yisroel, you returned to Teveria for the petek, he says that precisely after you returned was the matter of the petek] Yes, yes [So you returned for the petek, you had to pay for it with secular children, what can be done?] To this day I regret it

[Like that] I, I regret it, but I.. [No, you do not regret it, there is a petek] I, I regret that Rav Shlomo trembled.. [Then you would have had religious children without a petek...] He shouted in such voices: "Only Yerushalayim, and only Yerushalayim and only Yerushalayim" [No, you would have had religious children but without a petek] [….] [Now you will have more religious children] Nu, I told you a beautiful story, yes? [Yes, yes, Saba, you have many stories, only you do not tell.. You have stories about Rabbainu from today until tomorrow] What troubles I had in Teveria, even without the publicity and the honor I do not want to be a Chassid in a small city, in a large city in Yerushalayim [………...]"Only Yerushalayim" [……………..….] [………………...]…[………...]"Only Yerushalayim" [……………..….] [………………...]…in Yerushalayim I have no standing at all, with the dancing and with the Tehillim and with the.. all the.. [………...] "Only Yerushalayim" [……………..….] [………………...]… [………...] "Only Yerushalayim" [……………..….] [………………...]… ...{how I prayed with weeping, and he ran the household in..} Yo? Who is this? [Gideon] Gideon?… ...the connection I had with Shazar, it is.. [Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), he is..] It is a secret, a secret, the whole world does not know, he, he, he.. if he had shown as.. the connection that was between us They would have, would have all thrown him out of the Agency, fr.. "What? He is an idler.." {….}, yes He sacrificed himself But {{I Rabbainu}}, but did not merit to do uh.. it was in his hand [The main thing] [Saba, the level of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), was it, was it above R.. Moishele?] [Above Moshe Breslover?]

[Above, above Rebbe Moshe Breslover?] Nu [And al..] [Did he surpass him?] [And also..] I think so, I.. [Ah] [Good] Ah.. [And he was a chiddush; even if he had been in Rabbainu's time, he would have been a chiddush..] Yes, I heard from the old man who was in Meron [] No, no, no [Just to hold] Just to hold? [Yes, yes, nu, what do you care, smoke one less] [….] [……..] [What, what did you hear, what did you hear about an old man who.. what did he say about Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner)?] Ah? [What..] The old man [Which old man?] [Which old man? What was his name?] Rav Alter, Rav Alter of Komanchek, Rav Alter Komancheker [Ah, Breslover] [Ah] He drew close during the controversy, after the bar mitzvah, and all the days of his life his matter was Chatzot He made celebrations for.., and he was very old For seventy years, eighty years, there are children, and there are weddings [You told me that his face was always the face of a baby] Yes, yes, yes, yes The eyes were like a baby, the whole, whole face shone like a baby, yes And this is a wonder: one who rises at midnight at night—it is very hard work, yes And he would rise every night exactly at midnight at night He told me—I told him what I was going through, what I was suffering in Tzfas, in Teveria He lives, he lived in Meron, did not know, but he heard beforehand He heard about the entire matter of Rabbainu, he.., there were many stories, there were divorces and troubles that we suffered, yes And he told me.. He heard from our people about Rebbe Yisroel; he was young then So they said: "That if he had been in the time of Rebbe Nassan, he would also have been a chiddush," yes So he told me one time, and thank God I remember it, yes

But with us it is not.. it is not.. Also Rebbe Yisroel and also.. What we can attain through Rabbainu's power is closed and hidden from all the worlds [But aside from Rebbe Nassan, there has not yet been such a thing as a petek about the redemption There was Rabbainu, Rebbe Nassan, and a petek about the redemption] The petek is fr.. from Rabbainu's wonders, a wonder that surpasses all of Rabbainu's wonders "What, what is there? Yisroel Ber? Who is Yisroel Ber?" [Who is Yisroel Ber? - It is Rabbainu] {..} [The fact is that Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) did not receive humiliations like you received] And he did not receive [Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) did not go through humiliations like you went through] Like me? [Yes] He re.., he, he.. [He received, but not like you] He suffered a great deal, what th.. [Not like you] But he was a mighty hero [All right, but he did not suffer like you, you suffered more] {Ah, I cannot with..}.. [The truth] But he, he was.. [He, he gave you tools for the petek] He suffered, he suffered such {torments} at every moment over the service of Hashem, of which we have no conception [That is true] And specifically, it is impossible to merit this except through Rabbainu's power [That is true] He was completely clean of all cravings, of all.. From pride, it, it, it makes one like a pig Pride, honor, he fled from it, fled, he was zero and nothing [You told me..] {..} [You told me that there are more things about Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) that cannot be told That still cannot be told] Nu, is it really possible to tell what I saw? It.. it is spiritual thing.., spiritual things without.., without measure, without end [A little] Yes He merited only through his self-sacrifice

{...} Oy voy, oy voy, oy voy, oy voy, oy voy, what we have We need to make an accounting How did Rebbe Nassan live and merit to make “Likutay Tefilos,” “Likutay Halachos,” everything for us He saw, he knew that there would be Aharon and there would be Sharon and there would be {..}, every soul And he prepared for each one what he needs, Rabbainu and Rebbe Nassan [And I do not know anything, I want to “blast” the note throughout the whole world For this I came into the world, period, this is me, I,I am going crazy, going crazy, even though I am half dead] {..} [I want there to be, in every home, people who are crazy about Rabbainu] And the doctors, they want, they want to make a picture, uh.. scans.. [Yehuda..] Big ones.. [Yehuda told me] Who? [Yehuda the heart doctor told me: “If you bring the machines of the goyim and begin to work”] Yes [“I am leaving medicine and coming to work with you”] Yes? [That is what he said, ask Sharon] He will.. [“I am throwing everything away and I am coming”] He.., yes, he, he, he is unrestrained, he is ready to abandon himself, everything To abandon everything for Rabbainu, he is a wonder, a wondrous man He is not just a doctor, he is a great specialist doctor in Paris, “what?” [...] He is not just a doctor [Landau is also a vessel, Landau too..] He, he has wisdom, he has.. [Landau too, he is..] Ah? [Landau too has wisdom] Yes, yes, yes, Landau too is a great dentist, not just an ordinary one, yes [I told Landau: “Do not get confused; take books, translate,” he has a computer at home Do it slowly, slowly, translate “Sefer HaMiddos,” translate, do it] Everything that is done for Rabbainu, in order to bring Rabbainu into the world, this, this is a matter

Such a wonder as there had never been in the world [...] Oy, I remember how Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) prayed and said—he reached the blessings of the recitation of the Shema, of the recitation of the Shema: “To the blessed God they shall offer melodies, to the living and enduring God and King they shall utter songs {and praises}.. For He alone is exalted and holy, Performer of mighty deeds..” Every utterance brought such lights into my heart, “Performer..” [You told me that when he recited the Shema he almost died] What? And also, not only I—I was in the colony at the time of “the cloudbr..” [Yes, yes] “Cloudburst,” at the time of the fl.. [Purim, Purim] At the time of the flood [When it was Purim there] Ah? [When there was a new Purim] Yes, “what?” The entire village, the entire colony, did not go to work; they only, only Stood and heard the, the prayer of Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), yes And I stood at the door; I could not stand from the abundance, from the light [Light] No, I could not.., I could expire in the room I said, I will stand by the door; the moment I feel that the departure of the soul is near, then I will manage to get out That is how it was ,I am not telling exaggerations I stood ready to go out at the time that.. it was already impossible in any way, then I would manage to get out And I stood by the door Nu.. [..] And the landlord of the apartment, he came with such submission, like, like one who enters the.., to the king, yes With.. with {such} awe And he had several rooms; he took a room, and there was a table there And he put on the table everything that there is in.., with, with, with a farmer, with.. Olives, eggs, uh.. […] Cheese, and butter, and all the delights in the world, {such a holiday} And he asked that we enter the room; there is the table with the food, {...} And also the girls—the girls can go in.., with their hair, without a head covering

But little girls of bar mitzvah, b.. bat mitzvah Or fifteen years old, but she does not need to cover her head, but they do not know So they covered the head with, with.. with.. [With towels] With towels, and they also tied them with laces, tied them so they would not fall, God forbid, yes And also over the hands; they had not yet gone with such separation But in the colony they went until no.., up to here, so they.. [From the fear] Yes [Everything from the fear] Yes, yes, everyone, all the children, and he and the children, and.. and yes, and.. But this was the chatzos; I thought that tonight there is no chatzos [And this is the chatzos …...] Afterward, we were in glue; to pull out a foot was really.. I thought, if only they would give me a place to lie down for a month, perhaps, perhaps.. I can move a limb, that is how it was [“Who makes new things”] And he, on this night—the prayer was after that night He, he got up at chatzos, {{and I can bring}}.., I can.. [...] I cannot understand in the natural way how he got up at midnight? [….] All the limbs were broken and so tired, really.., yes And he stood at midnight, and I heard the chatzos But I could not move a limb; I wanted to go out—how is it possible to sleep when there is such a chatzos? How is it possible to sleep? But I could not move a limb I lay there, but, blessed be Hashem, I heard the chatzos In the end I strengthened myself with all my strength and got out of bed and got up, “whatever will be, will be” In any case, Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) sat; there was a table, he sat at the table And.. there was no electricity like today; there was a kerosene lamp And he—I approached the table, but before I reached the table there was an earthquake

The whole floor was trembling, and the table [Was the floor made of tiles?] Tiles like here [Yo!] Yes, yes, yes And the table was trembling, and he was trembling I approached the table; fear fell upon me. I saw such a face, that it was burning like fire, yes, yes And afterward there was such a prayer that I stood by the door So that the moment I could not possibly endure it, I could expire, then I would manage to.. [Five is enough; you should have heard only five minutes] What, five minutes? [To hear his prayer for five minutes—if we could, merited to hear] Nu [Only five minutes, you merited to..] And in all the.., I, blessed be Hashem, heard his prayer many times It was—they felt that this was not, not, not ordinary; this was something not ordinary, {yes} This is not of.., like the whole world; there are Chassidim and there are.. [I know, Rebbe Yisroel, that you do not exaggerate anything] Ah? [I know that you do not exaggerate anything; everything is true and certain] {..} Such truth that we have no conception of, yes Ay, ay, ay.. He did not, did not need to fight with, with pride so that it would not come near him He was clean of all, all, all the desires Only the holy Rabbainu can perform such wonders [After seeing such a thing, how is it possible to live in this darkness?] Uh.. ah? [After seeing Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner), then how is it possible to live in the darkness of today?] Uh.. He.., and he was in this world with a body; he would speak with the world.. As if, as if he were one of the people of the world He was “outside the settled world,” he was completely, yes [You do the same thing ……….] There was an incident in Tzfas: one young man whose name was Nachum—that was his name, Nachum

[……….] And he was a grandson, a grandson of the.. famous rabbi, the head of the rabbis of Tzfas And he was like a king, he was, he conducted himself with such pride [The grandson] [What was the name of the..?] Like a king, if there was someone.., oy vey.. [Heller?] [Heller?] Who spoke against him [Heller?] Eh? [Who is this Heller who was in the old-age home?] [Heller..] [Heller?] Eh.. [From the old-age home?] No, no, no, that is a separate matter Heller, I knew his father, he was a Torah scholar and a kosher man [Yes] He was not an opponent of Breslov, yes But {….} he had talents.. [Oh] Great ones, and he was a learned man, and was held in honor, full of honor and pride, yes But nevertheless.. Did you hear from him? Perhaps Yehudah the lawyer, I told him that he should ask him about Rebbe Yisroel [He told me] Yes, Yehudah told you? [No, Heller] Eh? [Heller told me] Heller told you [That Rebbe Yisroel (Kardonner) is a completely different matter] Yes, yes, yes, he also told me every time, Rebbe Yisroel… ...{thought highly of me}, but I perhaps made an error, that I should have t.. t.. [To be forceful] To press him, that he should give a little of his property, he died rich And he has a building in Haifa that is worth a great deal of money And he could, at the wedding, his son-in-law is the head of the doctors of "Beilinson".., of, of "Ichilov" Yes, and..no, no {. .}, he can live without the building, yes He could have given the building, or half a building, for the matter of Rabbainu But he was devoted to the children, that they should have this world ["Mifter Pifter"] He is going to the World to Come.., "Mifter Pifter" He was a believer, he was s.., with simplicity, and he believes

But, but, but the desire for the.. for the money, for.., it should remain with the children [That is everyone, the whole world is like that] Like that? [The whole world] {..} [You told me that you had in Tzfas] Yes? ["Megillas Setarim" and he took it from you..] Who? [That is f.., Sander] {From Sander}, nu [You had "Megillas Setarim"..] Yes [And it disappeared] Yes [Sander took it] Yes, yes… ...I had writings from Rebbe Nassan, a letter from Rebbe Nassan, writings, what they suffered, what they suffered [..] The persecutions they suffered, I remember the.. some, some story [But in this book with the "Megillas Setarim," did you study it? Did you read this?] I do not.., I do not remember I had many, many writings that could now make a commotion throughout the whole world [What do you remember from these writings? That had not yet been publicized? Were there writings that had not yet.., that had not been publicized] Certainly [What do you remember?] I do not remember, do not remember anything [Good] . The Chassidim of Poland, {this, this….} in America, this is the shochet, in America Yitzchak Mendel, Yitzchak Mendel, do you not know {of this\who this is}? There were young married men coming to me, and they told me that he wants to see me [Ah..] Yitzchak Mendel, Yitzchak Mendel, he has some satisfaction f.. from the children {…} In any case He was, before, before more than sixty years ago, he and another, and another . And.. and they traveled to Meron and asked me to give them.. to awaken, to give them the book, and I, Yisroel Ber, I am a Breslover Chassid, he asks, I should not give it to him?! [Which book?] So I gave it to him [Which book?] And they did not return, and they did not return [Which book?] Yes, {they q\kh..}, eh?

[Which, which?] It was a manuscript of Rebbe Naftali, of Rebbe Naftali, Rebbe Nassan's friend [A scroll] "Chayei Moharan," like "Chayei Moharan" {..}, but there were such secrets there that could make the whole world resound, the whole world Every utterance [Secrets from Rebbe Nassan?] Eh? [Concerning the Redemption, nu] [Secrets that Rebbe Nassan..] Secrets.. [Of the Redemption] Secrets that had not.. [Of Rabbainu] [What? A kind of th..] Everything, everything that Rebbe Nassan brought from "Chayei Moharan," those were already not such secrets There were secrets {that it is possible} to reveal in the world [Secrets about the Redemption] And these were great secrets [….] I do not remember, but, but there was, and.. and it disappeared [You do not remember anything? Anything?] He, they had a road accident, their car, with, with, with the manuscript They had a road accident and were saved by a miracle [And the manuscript disappeared] And the manuscript disappeared [This is directed by Rabbainu..] [Nothing, Saba, you cannot..? You do not..?] This could be.., done only, only by people, people of Poland "He repays evil in place of good," I lent it to you; why do you not return it? Why do you not bring it to me? Nu, return it [Do you not remember anything from there?] No, no [Anything?] No [Good, it is not – yes, like that, but no] {It is not, it.. is not} [Good, all right, "Na Na ch," "Na Na ch" rises above all the secrets] {..} [That is from Chabad] ["Na Na ch" rises above all the secrets, I think] There was some year, before the festival of Pesach came, many soldiers came into Breslov There were regiments, several regiments [In Russia?] In Russia, in Breslov [Yes] In Russia, nu.. And they would assign them; then it was, it was, they were, the city was obligated to maintain all the soldiers

The rich and the poor, soldiers in every house, yes But someone who was poor, then it was not, not so much [They were strict] Not so strongly, yes And the opponents found "a good thing" against Breslov; they gave a bribe to the general, to the higher-ups That they should assign soldiers {in the house} of Rebbe Nassan, {….} And it was close to Pesach, {soon} they had to make Pesach, and.. [They sent the soldiers to Rebbe Nassan] Yo, yes [….] They, they, they did what they did, specifically at Rebbe Nassan's, to assign many soldiers, in Rebbe Nassan's house, and they had, and they had, and they suffered from this: "The festival of Pesach is coming, and they have to make Pesach, and how? Soldiers" It was not possible to do anything; they gave a bribe—in Russia the main thing is the bribe [Yes] Then {said}.., Hashem Yisborach, in the greatness of His kindness, for the sake of our holy Rabbainu Suddenly an order arrived that they should leave Breslov Then all the soldiers left all of Breslov, not, only from Rebbe Nassan, yes [They now had another disaster] [….] [There was..]…